From the James Hansen said the oceans would boil and the Tabloid Climatology™ department…
As a long-suffering member of the television news media, some-days, I just want to find the reporter and slap him upside the head and tell him to do some basic science research before making wild claims on national TV. This is one of those days. The graphic below says it all.
From the Business and Media Institute comes this howler from CBS News about the latest IPCC report.
“[CBS] Evening News” took a different tack, airing a story about oyster farming and complaints that climate change is ruining a man’s business. But in Ben Tracy’s story, which mentioned the IPCC’s latest report, he said that oceans have absorbed much of the heat caused by CO2 and that ocean temperatures have risen only slightly. Then he made a claim that Principal Research Scientist Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama in Huntsville called “totally misleading and irresponsible.”
Here’s what the reporter said, after telling us most of the heat went into the oceans:
“Had all that heat gone into the atmosphere, air temperatures could have risen by more than 200 degrees [showed 212 degrees onscreen],” Tracy warned.
Watch the video here, be sure to leave a comment for CBS News.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57605102/oyster-is-a-canary-in-a-coal-mine-as-oceans-warm/
Spencer told the MRC’s Business and Media Institute,
“The oceans have warmed by an average of less than 0.1 deg. C (only the SURFACE by about 0.5 deg.) since the 1950s, and since that is so much water mass, the absorbed heat equivalent to 0.1 deg. IF RELEASED ALL AT ONCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE [it] would, indeed, be hundreds of degrees. But this is physically impossible. It is a meaningless statistic. The heat actually had to go through the atmosphere before it reached the ocean.”
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Jimbo said, in the list of quotations:
“Anorak – 11th, January 2011
…….Australia’s minister for the environment and water resources, Malcolm Turnbull,was telling the world that Perth was the “canary in the climate change coal mine,” a city scrambling to find other sources of water for a growing population.”
For the benefit of non-Australians, Malcolm Turnbull was NOT the “Minister for the environment and water resources” at any time in 2011, or 2010. He was not even the Shadow Minister, as his expertise is in finance. He was until a few days ago the Shadow Minister for Communications and Broadband, opposed to the Labor government’s National Broadband Network – a very expensive plan, uncosted, no cost benefit analysis and no business plan at the time it was adopted.
Anorak got it wrong.
“Had all that heat gone into the atmosphere, air temperatures could have risen by more than 200 degrees [showed 212 degrees onscreen],” Tracy warned.
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The proponents of CAGW have been claiming the surface temperatures have risen 1 degree F as a result of the 100 ppm increase in atmospheric CO2 during the past century.
But now atmospheric H2O vapor (humidity) is a more potent “greenhouse” gas than CO2. And the atmospheric H2O vapor (humidity) most always increases from say +/- 1.5% to 3% during the hot n’ muggy days of July.
Well now, that 1.5% to 3% increase in humidity is in actuality a 15,000 ppm increase in H2O vapor ….. which is 14,900 ppm greater than the aforesaid 100 ppm increase in CO2,
So, I did the calculations and determined that if, …. and I say “IF”, …. a 100 ppm increase in CO2 will cause a 1 degree F increase in surface temperatures …….. then a 15,000 ppm increase in H2O vapor would cause an increase in surface temperatures great enough to burn the socks right off of your feet while standing ankle deep in a tub of water.
Average global diffuse downwelling longwave radiation is about 340Watt/sq.metre and is mainly from atmospheric greenhouse gases. The estimated anthropogenic component of that radiation is relatively small at 1.6W/sq.m.
Does the ocean discriminate in its use of longwave radiation according to whether or not it is caused by human activity? … Of course not.
So if there is warming of the deep ocean, and it is caused by absorption of longwave radiation, then all such radiation contributed to the warming and not just the increase. There is however no evidence that any significant part of that total longwave radiation from GHGs is warming the deep ocean. The attribution of the oceanic warming to anthropogenic forcing by increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is untenable.
So, either the deep ocean warming is not real or it is small and has a cause other than increasing atmospheric CO2.
Consequently, the IPCC should not use any temperature rise in the deep ocean to explain the recent plateau in the global average surface temperature.
““Had all that heat gone into the atmosphere, air temperatures could have risen by more than 200 degrees [showed 212 degrees onscreen],”
Yeah, that’s true, and if all the heat in my ice cubes went into my coffee I could warm my coffee by dropping in ice cubes- letting the ice cubes get colder as the coffee gets warmer.
Richards in Vancouver says:
October 3, 2013 at 12:20 am
People! People! Remember HHGTTG:
DON’T PANIC!
That’s not 200 degrees Fahrenheit. It’s only 200 degrees Celsius!
See? Now calm down.
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And here I thought it was kelvin, BRRrrrrr.
http://world.time.com/2013/10/03/killer-hornets-claim-41-lives-in-central-china/
“Local officials claim that drier and warmer weather has led to a rise in the number of hornets.”
I left the JoeyGoestohell comments at the CBS site. I Hope Ben knows how to read.
CBS Cock and Bull Stories
The legend of the canary in the coal mind.
“Dad, what’s a coal mine?”
“I don’t know son. A couple hundred years ago people supposedly used this black rock to generate something they called elec…electri…something, until this mythical figure came along in 2008 and stopped it. I think the black rock was called coal.”
“Dad, where’d the black rock come from?”
“Well, that’s the ‘mine’ part, son. Legend has it that a mine was a shaft in the ground.”
“Dad, is that a little like the cave we’re living in?”
“I think it is, son”
UK Met Office says – this will NOT Happen..
“Careful processing of the available deep ocean records shows that the heat content
of the upper 2,000m increased by 24 x 1022J over the 1955–2010 period (Levitus, 2012),
equivalent to 0.09°C warming of this layer. To put this into context, if the same energy had warmed the lower 10km of the atmosphere, it would have warmed by 36°C! While this will not happen, it does illustrate the importance of the ocean as a heat store. ”
pg 22
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/e/f/Paper1_Observing_changes_in_the_climate_system.PDF
@Jimbo: Since we are closing all those coal mines, will canaries be added to the endangered species list because of habitat destruction?
Is that 212°F or C? Does CBS know the difference?
BTW: On my semi-annual Outer Banks fishing trip this week, I stood in the ocean and it did continue to suck heat from my legs. So, I suppose it is still working as a heat sink, but the temperature was a bit below 212. That is until the NPS Ranger with the .40 cal Glock told us it was not illegal to be on their beach and we were confined to the cabins until the ferry came to remove us. My government at work, ain’t it wonderful?
Leo G says:
October 3, 2013 at 4:28 am
….Average global diffuse downwelling longwave radiation is about 340Watt/sq.metre and is mainly from atmospheric greenhouse gases. The estimated anthropogenic component of that radiation is relatively small at 1.6W/sq.m.
Does the ocean discriminate in its use of longwave radiation according to whether or not it is caused by human activity? … Of course not.
So if there is warming of the deep ocean, and it is caused by absorption of longwave radiation, then all such radiation contributed to the warming and not just the increase…..
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They run into an even worse problem. IF there is a change in the ‘warming’ of the deep ocean, it is most likely caused by changes in the solar spectrum and not longwave radiation.
GRAPH: radiation wavelength vs ocean penetration depth ocean
Nir Shaviv: The oceans as a calorimeter
The Climastrologists are really grasping at straws but it certainly explains why the graph from the University of Colorado @ur momisugly Boulder showing the solar spectrum with the short wavelengths penetrating the oceans to a depth of 10M below surface was just ‘Disappeared’ from the internet within the last month. Can’t have anything laying around that is not ‘ON MESSAGE’ now can we?
This was the URL: http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/images/instruments/sim/fig01.gif
However a copy of the image can still be found HERE near the bottom of the page. (Click to enlarge)
It is soooooooo hot that Tesla motor cars are catching on fire!
http://news.yahoo.com/tesla-stock-tumbles-model-catches-fire-210456370–finance.html
Perhaps the ‘missing heat’ was hiding deep in the batteries…..
I wonder how Grey Oz’s Tesla stock is doing now???
Bob Greene says:
October 3, 2013 at 5:58 am
“….. until the NPS Ranger with the .40 cal Glock told us it was not illegal to be on their beach and we were confined to the cabins until the ferry came to remove us. My government at work, ain’t it wonderful?”
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I believe you meant to say that ” it was illegal to be on their beach.”
It has nothing to do with the budget. The NPS has seized control/ownership of those beaches for several years now and included with their .40 cal Glocks are tasers, bullet proof vests, and an attitude. They view themselves as the “Gestapo.” They are that indeed.
The National Forest Service is following suite. If the NPS can get away with it then they will too.
“Brains from far and wide are pooled to form a shallow but slippery puddle”
Walt Kelly
My grandmother, who was English to the core, used to serve oysters every Christmas Eve.
I have always hated oysters. Since I considered myself a red-blooded American, Nana always cooked me a hamburger. Too bad the oysters haven’t been shown to fill the atmosphere with methane, then the warmistas wouldn’t be so upset about their declining numbers.
Lewis Carroll had the solution to this problem some time ago:
“O Oysters, come and walk with us!”
The Walrus did beseech.
“A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each.”
…
Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more–
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.
…
“The time has come,” the Walrus said,
“To talk of many things:
Of shoes–and ships–and sealing-wax–
Of cabbages–and kings–
And why the sea is boiling hot–
And whether pigs have wings.”
…
“O Oysters,” said the Carpenter,
“You’ve had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?’
But answer came there none–
And this was scarcely odd, because
They’d eaten every one.
@ur momisugly Brian H says:
October 3, 2013 at 2:11 am
The thing about heat is, it won’t travel from a cold source to a warm target. Oceans = cold, atmosphere = warm. The exceptions are local, and establish circulation.
A lessening of the cold of the oceans by a few thousandths of a Kelvin is not going to alter that in the slightest.
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For the sake of the argument: slightly warmer ocean water could warm the air in very cold regions, say the arctic? Does anybody have an idea about the size of such an effect? Would it be of any practical importance?
More confirmation that this country is an Idiocracy.
Oysters are not the canary in the coal mine. They occur in every ocean from north to south. National Geographic has this to say:
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/invertebrates/oyster/
“Among the most popular and heavily harvested species are the Eastern American oyster (Crassostrea virginica), found in Atlantic waters from Canada to Argentina, and the Pacific oyster (Crassostrea gigas), found from Japan to Washington state and as far south as Australia.”
I thought I’d better get this in before NatGeo changes the article to get with the program. The guy in Massachusetts should be investigated for improper harvesting if he’s running out.
Janice Moore
October 2, 2013 at 9:19 pm
It’s actually a little more than 93% of the EPA that’s been shut down. All but 6.6% of the employees have been furloughed. So that means it’s actually 93.4% of the EPA that’s been shutdown. I know it’s picky but that 0.4% is probably worth at least several million extra $s that’ve been saved.
And that’s worth cracking an extra beer. Or two. Or three. Or…
“… then a 15,000 ppm increase in H2O vapor would cause an increase in surface temperatures great enough to burn the socks right off of your feet …” — Samuel C Cogar
I remember on a pair of decades ago when they were hot to trot with the fireball Earth theory where we’d all burst into flames if the air got wet. And I’ve seen heretics around here remind of that. But are they still pushing that notion officially? Or are they now on to pretending water ain’t wet?
Tom J — “It’s actually a little more than 93% of the EPA that’s been shut down.”
If they ain’t necessary, it ain’t proper to bring them back.
Tom J says: @ur momisugly October 3, 2013 at 8:13 am
It’s actually a little more than 93% of the EPA that’s been shut down. All but 6.6% of the employees have been furloughed. So that means it’s actually 93.4% of the EPA that’s been shutdown. I know it’s picky but that 0.4% is probably worth at least several million extra $s that’ve been saved.
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Actually they get back pay for sitting on their rears. House Moves Towards Supporting Backpay for Federal Employees: On the second day of the government shutdown, signs emerged from the fractured House that Congress is likely to pay federal workers for the time lost
I don’t usually LOL but that 200 degrees was priceless. Yeah, we’ve turned the globe into a tortilla oven.
Chad Wozniak says:
October 2, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Your wife and my wife must be related. I just about threw my shoe at our brand new tv when a “reporter” made some comment about how temperatures have risen, etc. She told me to settle down and not let my blood pressure rise. But how many stupid comments can you take without reacting?
geran says:
October 2, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Jimbo says:
October 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Sooooo, after the oceans boil, everything else will be gone, but the canaries will still be thriving (probably in abandoned coal mines)?geran says:
October 2, 2013 at 4:00 pm
No i think the canaries die so we don’t have to. That was the general idea back when having animals die on our behalf was ok. Too cruel now, of course…
Janice, I thought ‘homie’ was spelt like that, but the closest I ‘ve ever been to any homies was playing Grand Theft Auto, so hey, what do I know?