Climate Craziness of the Week: Climate Boiling Point

From the James Hansen said the oceans would boil and the Tabloid Climatology™ department…

As a long-suffering member of the television news media, some-days, I just want to find the reporter and slap him upside the head and tell him to do some basic science research before making wild claims on national TV. This is one of those days. The graphic below says it all.

From the Business and Media Institute comes this howler from CBS News about the latest IPCC report.

“[CBS] Evening News” took a different tack, airing a story about oyster farming and complaints that climate change is ruining a man’s business. But in Ben Tracy’s story, which mentioned the IPCC’s latest report, he said that oceans have absorbed much of the heat caused by CO2 and that ocean temperatures have risen only slightly. Then he made a claim that Principal Research Scientist Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama in Huntsville called “totally misleading and irresponsible.”

Here’s what the reporter said, after telling us most of the heat went into the oceans:

“Had all that heat gone into the atmosphere, air temperatures could have risen by more than 200 degrees [showed 212 degrees onscreen],” Tracy warned.

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Watch the video here, be sure to leave a comment for CBS News.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57605102/oyster-is-a-canary-in-a-coal-mine-as-oceans-warm/

Spencer told the MRC’s Business and Media Institute,

“The oceans have warmed by an average of less than 0.1 deg. C (only the SURFACE by about 0.5 deg.) since the 1950s, and since that is so much water mass, the absorbed heat equivalent to 0.1 deg. IF RELEASED ALL AT ONCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE [it] would, indeed, be hundreds of degrees. But this is physically impossible. It is a meaningless statistic. The heat actually had to go through the atmosphere before it reached the ocean.”

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coalsoffire

I’m familiar with the term “jumped the shark”. But “boiling the oyster” is a new one for me. It may not quite be 212 degrees, but the stupid still burns.

geran

Hopefully “news” clips like this can be permanently preserved so that future generations can learn how propaganda works. (And also they can learn how hard WUWT had to fight to counter all the nonsense!)

jones

What would happen if the sun was to release all of the energy it will release over the next 4 billion years but over the next 3 seconds?
I wonder…..

I don’t know, sounds legit to me. I think Bill Nye said the jet stream will stop and the earth will stop spinning and he had a Bowie that made him look real smart too.

dalyplanet

The tide has turned in public opinion. People are bored of this foolish chatter. The media has not gotten the memo yet.

Sam The First

I think anyone stupid enough to make that claim is too dumb to understand Dr Spencer’s rebuke. This is the problem we face: the news is propagated by morons, in every country. Nobody does his /her own research because they lack the education or the brains to understand the science
They also lack the will to try

DirkH

““Had all that heat gone into the atmosphere, air temperatures could have risen by more than 200 degrees [showed 212 degrees onscreen],” Tracy warned.”
The business of the CIA is to scare the population, and Tracy did a good job there. My question is, if the government has shut down, why is CBS News on air?

Rud Istvan

The oyster meme is a deliberate attempt by Feely at NOAA PMEL to shift the (hiatus) failed temperature meme to ocean acidification. See my previous post Shell Game at Climate Etc., courtesy Dr. Judith Curry of Georgia Tech. Already has been exposed for what it is, and even complemented for accuracy by none other than fisherman Willis Eschenbach of WUWT. Good grief. This really is a wack-a-mole game.

Mickey Reno

Unless it warms up gradually, won’t the lobsters jump out of the ocean? Mmmmm, boiled lobsters.

Nik

Who needs thermodynamics when you have CBS!

How did that sneaky heat get in there without anyone noticing?
Volcanoes? I mean, that was the IPCC excuse for the pause.

Mac the Knife

I prefer oysters to be grilled on the half shell, over a smoky hardwood fire….. then slurped from the shell with a splash of chipotle tobasco. I would never do THAT to a canary…..
This quote seems to apply yet again:
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. ” H.L. Mencken

Iggy Slanter

“Canary in the coal mine”? More like Idiot in the newsroom.

pesadia

If all the worlds ice melted…………………………….
If all the trees died……………………………………….
If all the oxygen was…………………………………….
If all the climate scientists died, I would attend both their funerals

RHS

Awesome, pre-cooked Oysters!!!

Gary

Hey, it’s tough to compete with The Onion. Got to really hype it to get attention.

P Walker

I saw that the other night – and started screaming at the TV . After all , if the oceans are warming they would be releasing CO2 therefore becoming more alkaline . Also , I suspect that a large percentage of seed oysters don’t make it to adulthood even in a controlled environment although I couldn’t find much about it online .

TImothy Sorenson

My momma always said, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

Catcracking

Did anyone else notice that the propaganda following the CBS story indicated that the Obamacare computers crashed because so may people were signing up for the healthcare?
These folks know how to cover up a royal screw up by the Administration.

OT Update:
Second tranche of the CME’s geomagnetic storm is in progress
http://flux.phys.uit.no/cgi-bin/plotgeodata.cgi?Last24&site=tro2a&amp
most likely caused by a short double CME blast from the sun http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov//data/REPROCESSING/Completed/2013/c2/20130929/20130929_2336_c2_512.jpg
As a matter of interest it is comparable in strength to the one prior to Japanese earthquake (11/3/2011, reported at the time ) but currently in much shorter bursts.
(Due to a lapse in Federal funding, the USGS Earthquake Hazards Program has suspended most of its operations. While the USGS will continue to monitor and report on earthquake activity, the accuracy or timeliness of some earthquake information products, as well as the availability or functionality of some web pages, could be affected by our reduced level of operation.)

davidmhoffer

This seems to be a recurring theme these days. The heat is all going into the ocean followed by the panicky question, “what if it all comes back out at once?”
To anyone with even a basic grounding in physics, this is beyond absurd. I’m looking for a half decent analogy suitable for someone who doesn’t even have the basics, and I’ve got nothing. Looking for suggestions. Also need suggestions on how to deliver the line without intense and insulting sarcasm.

That is quite possibly the stupidest story on global warming ever done. Although Al Gore claiming that the Earth’s core is millions of degrees hot is pretty close
http://youtu.be/kGV7Dr2iDvU

Clive

Along the lines of:
If my aunt had testicles, she’d be my uncle.

P Walker

Rud Istvan ,
I read your post over at Climate Etc . Thanks .

sunshinehours1 says: “Volcanoes? I mean, that was the IPCC excuse for the pause.”
Actually, it wasn’t according to the SPM. They wrote:
“However, there is low confidence in quantifying the role of changes in radiative forcing in causing the reduced warming trend.”
They’re trying to blame it on natural variability:
“There is medium confidence that internal decadal variability causes to a substantial degree the difference between observations and the simulations; the latter are not expected to reproduce the timing of internal variability. ”
Regards

jones says:
October 2, 2013 at 2:38 pm
What would happen if the sun was to release all of the energy it will release over the next 4 billion years but over the next 3 seconds?
I wonder…..
*
Yeah, but that wouldn’t be our fault… unless, of course, they could spin it that way.
The scary thing is, there are some idiots in the world who would actually trigger such an event if they could, and destroy the Earth, purely to make themselves “right”. There really ought to be laws against those who plot against humanity.

Other_Andy

“Thirty percent is absorbed by the oceans, where it produces a weak acid. But it’s strong enough to impact sea life and prevent oysters from creating their shells.”
Hey dude, the ocean is alkaline…
In the past CO2 levels have risen to 7000 ppm the Ocean must have been extremely acidic in the during those times…..
But….
Corals developed during the Ordovician when CO2 was ca. 4200 ppm.
Molluscs appeared during the Cambrian when CO2 was ca. 4500 ppm.
An they will all die now because CO2 levels have ‘risen’ up to 400 ppm?

TImothy Sorenson

Of topic, but first, the supreme court did NOT pick up the legal challenge to the EPA and second the shutdown shuttered the EPA.

Jimbo

“Oyster is a canary in a coal mine as oceans warm”

Almost everything is the canary in a coal mine of global warming climate bad behaviour.

Time Magazine – July 11, 2008
“The corals will be the canary in the coal mine in terms of the effect climate change will have on our oceans.”
The Economist – Nov 11th 2004
Like a canary in a coal mine, the hyper-sensitive polar regions may well experience the full force of global warming before the rest of the planet does.
WCTV – Aug 08, 2009
In a telephone interview with CNN, Josberger called the unprecedented glacial melt the “canary in the coal mine.
ENS – July 13, 2009
He told the House Committee on Natural Resources Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands, “Our national park units can serve as the proverbial canary in the coal mine,…
Orange County Register – Aug. 13, 2010
“That glacier is a little bit like a canary in a coal mine,” he said. “In the northern part of Greenland there are a lot of elements that make it sensitive to climate change.”
Phys.Org – July 1, 2008
Like the proverbial canary in the coal mine, penguins are sounding the alarm for potentially catastrophic changes in the world’s oceans,…..
Anorak – 11th, January 2011
…….Australia’s minister for the environment and water resources, Malcolm Turnbull,was telling the world that Perth was the “canary in the climate change coal mine,” a city scrambling to find other sources of water for a growing population.
Brisbane Times – April 7, 2007
The Great Barrier Reef could be dead in 20 years …….Prof Hoegh-Guldberg said the reefs were like a “canary in a coal mine” for other vulnerable areas of the environment,…..
Parsons Behle & Latimer- Summer 2007
The Canary Initiative was so named because the City of Aspen views itself, and other communities which are economically dependent on winter snow for recreation and summer snow pack for water supply, as the “canary in the coal mine” of global warming.
WWF – 21 August 2003
American pikas are like the ‘canary in the coal mine’ when it comes to climate change,” said Dr Catarina Cardoso, Head of WWF-UK’s Climate Change Programme.
The China Post – April 12, 2007
“In relation to global warming, the wine industry is the canary in the coal mine because it’s one of the most sensitive indicators of climate change,” said Richard Smart, a respected viticulturist and author on wine grape growing.
Mongabay.com – January 11, 2006
Because amphibians have highly permeable skin and spend a portion of their life in water and on land, they are sensitive to environmental change and can act as the proverbial “canary in a coal mine,”
Monterey County Herald – February 10, 2009
Birds shifting north, study shows
WASHINGTON — When it comes to global warming, the canary in the coal mine isn’t a canary at all. It’s a purple finch.
The Toronto Sun – March 13, 2009
“People went down the coal mine and they used a canary as a barometer of when the air quality in there was bad,” Ewins said yesterday. “This is what the polar bear is, it’s the canary in the global coal mine.”
GREENandSAVE, LLC – 14th January 2010
It did provide a focus for what we were seeing. Obviously Tuvalu is the canary in the coal mine for climate change.
Hollywood Reporter – 3/28/2012
The Maldives is the canary in the world’s carbon coal mine…..
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette – Aug 29, 1996
Butterflies flee to beat the heat
“It is an excellent climate sensor – a canary in a coal mine.””….
Scientific American Guest Blog – January 20, 2012
The Canary in the Himalayas
Grist – 10 Dec 2009
Just as Australia is the proverbial canary in the coal mine for the environmental affects of climate change, a national election waged over cap-and-trade will….
Nature – 16 April 2009
“”The mountain pine beetle outbreak and the climate signal associated with it is the canary in the coal mine about future disturbances. It’s caused jurisdictions to perk up and take notice,” says Carroll.”
Eureka – 27-Jul-2011
“”The 2007 fire was the canary in the coal mine,” Mack said. “In this wilderness, hundreds of miles away from the nearest city or source of pollution,”
Thomasville Times Enterprise – October 23, 2009
Developing countries around the world are vulnerable to more frequent and severe droughts or flooding, and increased insect-borne disease. The carbon contribution from these people is miniscule and yet they are the “canary in the coal mine.”
NBC News – 11 Mar 2013
Canary in a coal mine
The entire population of Emperor penguins, Chinstraps and Adelies live in Antarctica — if the ice continues to retreat those species are at risk….
cognoscenti.wbur.org – Apr 02, 2013
Agriculture is the canary in the coal mine for climate change. This has been true throughout human history and we see it today with commodities like maple sugar and honey,…
USA Today – March 28, 2013
“Once we had the canary in the coal mine; now we have the oyster in the ocean,” Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says….
Forbes – 4/04/2013
As Ric Rhinehart, executive director of the Specialty Coffee Association of America, puts it, “Coffee is the canary in the coal mine for climate change.”
Pacific Sun – March 18, 2013
If so, the canary in the coal mine might turn out to be a mussel in a tide pool.
USA Today – 11/25/2006
Appalachian Trail could be ‘canary in coal mine’ for eastern U.S.
The New Zealand Herald – Oct 12, 2005
“The Amazon is a canary in a coal mine for the earth. As we enter a warming trend we are in uncertain territory,” he said.
arirang.co.kr – Sep 22, 2010
The walrus serves as a similar indicator as a canary in a coal mine.
The Active Times – Mar 01, 2013
Moose are “the canary in the coal mine,” Doug Inkley, a senior scientist at the National Wildlife Federation, told USA Today.
Public News Service – February 6, 2013
The New England lobster, under threat from disease and invasive species, may be the “canary in the coal mine” of climate disruption, according to a new report….
Canadian Press – May 8, 2009
Shrimp can provide valuable insight into broad changes in the marine ecosystem, according to a new study that found the spindly crustaceans serve as canaries in the coal mine when it comes to warming waters and the health of fish stocks.
Natural Resources Defense Council – May 14, 2010
Lizards – the next canary in the global warming coal mine
Huffington Post – November 19, 2009
Bats: The New Canary in the Coal Mine?
San Diego Coastkeeper – 9 September 2010 08
Like a canary in a coal mine, this plankton is very sensitive to contaminants in the water. When the phytoplankton gets stressed or dies, the amount of light emitted is reduced,…
USA Today – 5/30/2005
Gray wolves could emerge as a “canary in the coal mine” of global warming by suggesting how climate change will affect species around the world, researchers say.

Chad Wozniak

@Sam the First and P Walker –
Sam, these morons have method in their stupidity. Stupid they may be but they are still determined to shove their feces down our throats. Walker, I got in some trouble with my wife because of the rather loud and extended profanity that idiotic, malicious piece of agitprop prompted from me. It almost seems like they’re trying to piss us off more than anything else. Most of the time I either laugh, cry or vomit hearing their spiel, but this one really got to me – it was really over the top.

LexingtonGreen

Here a link is to an article on the study linking CO2 to declining Oyster Production. I am more than a little skeptical. Anyone else have comments on this aspect of the story? http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2012/apr/hatchery-managers-osu-scientists-link-ocean-acidification-larval-oyster-failure
The research has been funded by a grant from the National Science Foundation, and supported by NOAA and the Pacific Coast Shellfish Growers Association. Other authors on the journal article include Chris Langdon, of OSU’s Hatfield Marine Science Center, and Richard Feely, of NOAA’s Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratories

geran

Jimbo says:
October 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Sooooo, after the oceans boil, everything else will be gone, but the canaries will still be thriving (probably in abandoned coal mines)?
(Don’t know how you come up with all the links and sources so quickly. Thanks!)

Paul Pierett

Can not fix this. People want to believe they can fix things. The man-global warming propaganda worked.

MattN

I’m glad you actually had video proof of this stuff. If you had simply stated what they said without the proof, I would have said you just made it up. Incomprehensible how stupid that is. Boggles the mind.

It is really incredible a so-called “reputable” News Organization would allow such balderdash.
I mean, the Global Warming they promised simply isn’t occurring. So where is the heat? “Hidden in the deep ocean.” And now they are adding, “But boy O boy is it ever a lot of heat that is hidden and we can’t see or measure. Even though we can’t measure it and have no data, we can tell you with exactitude it could raise the air temperatures 200 degrees.”
Come on. Get real. This could be a really cold winter in the Northeast of the USA. When folk are shouldering their way through the bitter blasts and stinging snow, do you think they are going to want to hear even a minute more of this complete balderdash?

JimS

In order for news reporters to do their research, they first must be trained on how to turn on their computers. But then, perhaps that was too cruel. After all Hansen probably knows how to turn on a computer and he apparently is twice as dumb as any news reporter…. the oceans are going to boil away like they did on Venus… LOL!

CC Squid

I would like to draw your attention to the following article:
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/10/2/a-report-from-the-royal.html
I have extracted the summary of the table displayed in this article and have bolded the surprising news from AR5.
“What? Yes that’s right. The real story may not be in the IPCC rowback on temperature ranges, or its cack-handed “explanations” for the stalling temperatures. It may in fact all be in this table. Be sure to look for yourself. Every single catastrophic scenario bar one has a rating of “Very unlikely” or “Exceptionally unlikely” and/or has “low confidence”. The only disaster scenario that the IPCC consider at all likely in the possible lifetimes of many of us alive now is “Disappearance of Arctic summer sea ice”, which itself has a ‘likely’ rating and liable to occur by mid century with medium confidence. As the litany of climate disasters go, that’s it.”
[“back-handed” or “caca-handed” explanations? Mod]

Chad Wozniak

More seriously, the ignorance in this statement really is mind-boggling. Anyone who has had a first-year college chemistry course knows that whatever acidity (actually lowering of pH) is mostly canceled by the buffering effect of carbonates (i.e., to bicarbonates, which still have an alkaline reaction, even though they are technically an acid salt – like your ordinary baking soda, NaHCO3) and other soluble salts in the ocean. And as P Walker points out, if the oceans warm they will release CO2 and their pH will rise, not fall, the reverse of acidification. The warmer the water, the less soluble CO2 is in it. Not to mention the complete ignorance of the Second Law of Thermodynamics (which you learn about in high school physics class) concerning heat transfer between the atmosphere and oceans. Obviously these mollusks (a recently evolved kind, to be sure, descended from humans) don’t realize that one does not have to be highly educated in the sciences to see the ridiculousness of their arguments. The basics betray them right off the bat.

LexingtonGreen

This appears to be the study. I am not a scientist, but I did a word search and “virus” is not in the study once and a virus appears to be impacting oyster production elsewhere in the world. It would be nice perhaps to see that addressed. But again, I am not knowledgeable about chemistry. http://www.aslo.org/lo/pdf/vol_57/issue_3/0698.pdf

OldWeirdHarold

Amazing.

Streetcred

Never before is the dumbing down of ‘education’ in the Western World so evident as it is in the main stream media the world over. Journalists embody the ideal subject for propagandists. That stupid must hurt a lot … maybe some of the reason lies in this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wait-but-why/generation-y-unhappy_b_3930620.html?view=print&comm_ref=false&goback=%2Egde_1707477_member_275652338#21

Jimbo

geran says:
October 2, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Jimbo says:
October 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Sooooo, after the oceans boil, everything else will be gone, but the canaries will still be thriving (probably in abandoned coal mines)?
(Don’t know how you come up with all the links and sources so quickly. Thanks!)

It’s called ‘something I prepared earlier.’

Niff

Yeah trying to leave a comment is like chewing a brick….”there was a problem…etc”…wonder how long they will leave this total crap online…..

Chad Wozniak

@LexingtonGreen –
Quite simply, the “research” behind this article is crap. CO2 cannot significantly acidify the ocean because, as I pointed out, as long as there are carbonates in the water added CO2 will react with them to form bicarbonates, thereby greatly shrinking the decline of pH. The ocean cannot absorb enough CO2 to become acidic, i.e., with a pH of less than 7.
It may be that oyster larvae could be affected by high carbonate concentrations in the water, but if so it would be from dissolved carbonates from some terrestrial source. My guess is that the experiment was contaminated, due to carelessness or deliberately to produce the desired result, or faked altogether.

R. de Haan
BobW in NC

The networks are definitely doing their part to scare the tar out of us as shown in this report:
http://mrc.org/articles/networks-embrace-catastrophic-warnings-latest-ipcc-report.
Think that isn’t bad enough? The Society of Environmental Journalists is holding a meeting because environmentalists say the media are not reporting enough on AGW! An excerpt from The Daily Caller: “The Society of Environmental Journalists will be hosting a meeting on Friday that will discuss the media coverage surrounding global warming, which will include a panel of journalists from left-leaning news sites.” Source: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/liberal-media-huddles-to-re-hype-global-warming/

Bruce Cobb

200 degrees? Whew! We sure dodged a bullet there. Good thing the heat decided to go into the oceans instead of the air. But, what if it changes its mind? It’s like the sword of Vulcan hanging over us. We’re doomed.
They do seem fond of their canary-in-coal-mine analogies. It’s really the perfect Appeal to Emotion. Here’s an analogy for them: their CAGW religion is like a parrot in a birdcage. A dead one, despite all their protestations to the contrary.

Leo G

The claim is that over the last 50 years the temperature rise in the oceans, directly from increased net anthropogenic forcing, has been about 0.1 degree Celsius. Considering the locus of the volume expansion of seawater between 20 degree C, 0.1MPa and 0 degree C, 100MPa is relatively constant at 250E-6/K for 35g/kg salinity, the 0.1 degree C temperature rise provides a reasonable high-side estimate of the steric component of sea level rise of 92mm over that 50 years.
That might be in line with the AR4 estimate of 2.3mm/year, but doesn’t accord with the median of all adjusted tide gauge series. The slope of the satellite data trend is no proper guide, as it has been calibrated to the slope from a ‘preferred’ set of tide gauges (ie cherry-picked).

Robert Kral

Um, weren’t atmospheric CO2 concentrations much higher at times in the remote past? Aren’t there fossil mollusks and crustaceans from those periods?

Chad Wozniak

BobW in NC –
It’s only what you would expect from der Fuehrer’s Ministry of Truth (the mainstream media). It’s ironic that the leftist (I don’t say “liberal,” because these people are reactionary, not liberal) media are in effect saying that the IPCC and der Fuehrer and all their satraps aren’t wrong enough – they need to be even wronger than they are.