From the James Hansen said the oceans would boil and the Tabloid Climatology™ department…
As a long-suffering member of the television news media, some-days, I just want to find the reporter and slap him upside the head and tell him to do some basic science research before making wild claims on national TV. This is one of those days. The graphic below says it all.
From the Business and Media Institute comes this howler from CBS News about the latest IPCC report.
“[CBS] Evening News” took a different tack, airing a story about oyster farming and complaints that climate change is ruining a man’s business. But in Ben Tracy’s story, which mentioned the IPCC’s latest report, he said that oceans have absorbed much of the heat caused by CO2 and that ocean temperatures have risen only slightly. Then he made a claim that Principal Research Scientist Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama in Huntsville called “totally misleading and irresponsible.”
Here’s what the reporter said, after telling us most of the heat went into the oceans:
“Had all that heat gone into the atmosphere, air temperatures could have risen by more than 200 degrees [showed 212 degrees onscreen],” Tracy warned.
Watch the video here, be sure to leave a comment for CBS News.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57605102/oyster-is-a-canary-in-a-coal-mine-as-oceans-warm/
Spencer told the MRC’s Business and Media Institute,
“The oceans have warmed by an average of less than 0.1 deg. C (only the SURFACE by about 0.5 deg.) since the 1950s, and since that is so much water mass, the absorbed heat equivalent to 0.1 deg. IF RELEASED ALL AT ONCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE [it] would, indeed, be hundreds of degrees. But this is physically impossible. It is a meaningless statistic. The heat actually had to go through the atmosphere before it reached the ocean.”
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Gail Combs says:
October 2, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the National Enquirer and CBS News?
A digital canary can have her cage bottom covered by CBS News. The National Enquirer can be usefully employed to cover the cage bottom of a real canary. Thus, the latter has some actual value, CBS News not so much.
Just how much more of this heat can a Koala bear?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/heat-could-cause-massive-koala-decline/story-fn3dxiwe-1226731918437?from=public_rss&utm_source=The%20Australian&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=78187143
Times sure have changed around here in a relatively short time-
http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/WR03007.htm
Makes you wonder with all that heating science settled at the time why they kicked off that koala management plan.
Random thought brought on by Naked Oysters (Which really ought be the name of rock band.)
The underlying premise of everything is that a life-form or related family of life-forms can commit geoengineering. And, of course, the scifi idea of terraforming is simply a case of geoengineering by intention. But the entire notion of AGW as such is simply that humans are geoengineering.
But then here’s the stupid: The alarmist side of AGW is that we should be hysterical because we are geoengineering by accident. And that the cure for the hysteria is to terraform instead; geoengineer on purpose. So if there’s any legitimacy to alarmism beyond the most basic misanthropy, then we need only claim that we’re using coal for better crop rotation.
But beyond that, if it is not misanthropy, then the first thing to do is commit genocide against oysters. After all, the massive calcium buffer that maintains the PH in 75% of the Earth’s ecosystem is an arbitrary and accidental consequence of aquatic life. The very sort of geoengineering by accident that should have us in a fit of hysterics.
If the ocean deep can intercept long wave radiation from anthropogenic forcing and prevent 90% or so from contributing to surface heating, why doesn’t the ocean deep similarly spirit away 90% of all atmospheric long wave radiation?
jorgekafkazar says:
October 2, 2013 at 5:09 pm
“What if all the ignorance and stupidity in the MSM were released into the atmosphere at once? Air temperatures would rise by billions and billions of degrees.”
Hahaha! you’re >>> THE FROG IN THE POT OF SOON-TO-BE-BOILING WATER<<< New CAGW CACCA Meme: You're subjected to a Battalion Volley of Lamestream Media Stupidity and Vacuousness every damn day for a DECADE and are now just dimly aware – Their strategy is working, and no sleight against you.
Media Anti-Intellectual Tachyon Beams don't raise atmospheric temperature, they impede neural activity and stimulate the lower-order brain function centers that govern extreme emotionalism.
WattsUpWiththat is a Lifeboat strapped to the side of the Titanic of Human Intellectual devolution.
Oh, who is Dr. Emmett Brown?
The misdirection now being done by not only the È UN, and the US governmentÈ and other governments all around the planet , all running around covering their collective asses after the UN , report is beyond believe , when are the likes of these Èso called reportersÉ , yeah right, sorry I am having a virus that stops me from using my key board BTW properly, being held respon,sible for the mahem that they have caused. The Hansenès the ÈMannsès and Ègoreès should be in jail! I apologize for the spelling but I think it is part of something else.!
“Gail Combs says:
October 2, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the National Enquirer and CBS News?”
I’d Rather not……
People! People! Remember HHGTTG:
DON’T PANIC!
That’s not 200 degrees Fahrenheit. It’s only 200 degrees Celsius!
See? Now calm down.
My first reaction was to make a comment insulting Mr. Tracy,s intelligence. On short term reflection doing that would like ridiculing a paraplegic’s lack of mobility. I can insult with the best of them as the mods can attest, but that’s a bridge to far even for me.
Mr. Tracy’s. Darn typos!!!!
So, water warms up when you add CO2 to it. This, apparently, is why all lemonade and beer is stored in the fridge to prevent it from boiling over – especially those very large bottles with that extra added ‘deep’ bit.
For a refreshing mug of hot tomato soup, apply heat by fizzing it up in your SodaStream machine. Makes a right mess but think of all that energy you’ll be saving.
Chef’s Tip of the Day: Why not boil your vegetables by pouring dry ice into the saucepan. Works a treat.
Warning: Handle all CO2 propelled water fire extinguishers with care as they may be HOT – and even worse, highly acidic.
Beauty Tip: Add five handfuls of sodium bicarbonate (or Andrews Liver Salts) to your cold bathwater for added heat. When climbing into the hot bath, remember that warm oceans can destroy oyster shells, so wear rubber gloves on your hands and feet – as who knows what a hot fizzy bath will do to your nails (oh, and keep your mouth closed to protect your teeth).
Sorry, could’nt resist it . . . .
A message for Ben Tracy from The Police:
First to fall over when the atmosphere is less than perfect
Your sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect
You live you life like a canary in a coalmine
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line
You say you want to spend the winter in Firenza
You’re so afraid to catch a dose of influenza
You live your life like a canary in a coalmine
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line
Canary in a coalmine
Canary in a coalmine
Canary in a coalmine
Now if I tell you that you suffer from delusions
You pay your analyst to reach the same conclusions
You live your life like a canary in a coalmine
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line
Canary in a coalmine
Canary in a coalmine
Canary in a coalmine
First to fall over when the atmosphere is less than perfect
Your sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect
You live your life like a canary in a coalmine
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line
Canary in a coalmine
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah!
This is why I haven’t bought or read a newspaper for at least five years. I trust journalists about as much as I trust politicians.
Anthony,
You do a fine job and I hope that you get your reward on Earth, if not in Heaven (Hell having become uninhabitable due to rising CO2).
You really need to write a short book containing these wonderful reports (Global Warming for Dummies?) and, since you have a sense of humour, it would go viral.
The thing about heat is, it won’t travel from a cold source to a warm target. Oceans = cold, atmosphere = warm. The exceptions are local, and establish circulation.
A lessening of the cold of the oceans by a few thousandths of a Kelvin is not going to alter that in the slightest.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15106480
Now a Climate Change induced panic about Oyster Shortages .Excuse for Oyster Farmers to artificially inflate their prices.
Mod,
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tobias,
Check your ‘Encoding’ settings, might not have a virus but some other progam may have altered that setting without notice, at least it looks like that on the surface.
I believe you have misunderstood Tracy’s argument, wrong as it is.
He was not suggesting a situation where the heat transfer was reversed, but rather one where the heat transfer to the ocean did not occur and neither was the atmospheric heat allowed to return to space according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law. The warmista alternate physical universe fantasy explanation.
“Y’know all those apparently stupid and over the top climate warnings you’re fed on TV? Well, they really are that stupid and OTT.” Once Jack and Jill Public are re-assured their BS detectors are not faulty, after all, all hell will be out for noon.
Leo;
six of one, half a dozen of the other. The sensible heat effects would be the same, were it true.
LexingtonGreen says:
October 2, 2013 at 4:00 pm
“Here a link is to an article on the study linking CO2 to declining Oyster Production. I am more than a little skeptical. Anyone else have comments on this aspect of the story?”
This a long running story and in fact the oyster larvae mortality was caused by a faecal organism, Vibrio tubiashii. You can find more background here:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/lies_shellfish_scam.pdf
I’ll “see” their 212 and “raise” it another 212 by suddenly taking out TWICE the 0.1 degree rise in seawater temp and give you Baked Alaska.
Ha!—Take that, you cooks who can only boil water!
(Not that I have anything against Alaska, by the way—it’s just one of many recipes that requires 425 degrees! http://allrecipes.com/recipe/baked-alaska-2/ Roast Chicken is another: http://www.marthastewart.com/356165/perfect-roast-chicken as is the recipe for Baked Potatoes: http://www.wikihow.com/Bake-Potatoes I hope I’ve awakened everybody’s salivary glands.)
I make no apologies for quoting again from Oceanographer Dr Robert Stevenson, (deceased), when commenting about Levison et al 2000.
Read the whole article here:
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/ocean.html
A few quotes:
“For 15 years, modellers have tried to explain their lack of success in predicting global warming. (he wrote this in 2000). The climate models had predicted a global temperature increase of 1.5°C by the year 2000, six times more than that which has taken place. Not discouraged, the modellers argue that the heat generated by their claimed “greenhouse warming effect” is being stored in the deep oceans, and that it will eventually come back to haunt us. They’ve needed such a boost to prop up the man-induced greenhouse warming theory, but have had no observational evidence to support it. The Levitus, et al. article is now cited as the needed support.”
“More than 70 percent of the Earth’s surface is covered by oceans, seas, and lakes, and another 5 percent is covered by glaciers and ice caps. Just more than two thirds of this water area is in the Southern Hemisphere, and the oceans are 4 to 5 kilometers deep.
The atmosphere cannot warm until the underlying surface warms first. The lower atmosphere is transparent to direct solar radiation, preventing it from being significantly warmed by sunlight alone. The surface atmosphere thus gets its warmth in three ways: from direct contact with the oceans; from infrared radiation off the ocean surface; and, from the removal of latent heat from the ocean by evaporation. Consequently, the temperature of the lower atmosphere is largely determined by the temperature of the ocean.”
“The concept proposed in some predictive models is that any anomalous heat in the mixed layer of the ocean (the upper 100 meters) might be lost to the deep ocean. There have been a number of studies in which this process has been addressed (Nakamura 1997; Tanimoto 1993; Trenberth 1994; Watanabi 1994; and White 1998). It is clear that solar-related variations in mixed-layer temperatures penetrate to between 80 to 160 meters, the average depth of the main pycnocline (density discontinuity) in the global ocean. Below these depths, temperature fluctuations become uncorrelated with solar signals, deeper penetration being restrained by the stratified barrier of the pycnocline.
Consequently, anomalous heat associated with changing solar irradiance is stored in the upper 100 meters. The heat balance is maintained by heat loss to the atmosphere, not to the deep ocean.”
Davidmhoffer says:
“To anyone with even a basic grounding in physics, this is beyond absurd. I’m looking for a half decent analogy suitable for someone who doesn’t even have the basics, and I’ve got nothing. Looking for suggestions. Also need suggestions on how to deliver the line without intense and insulting sarcasm.”
All the heat coming out of the oceans at once and heating up the atmosphere to over 200 degrees F is akin to taking the tonsils out through the ars hole. The numbers are there but don’t count on it except in a MSM news story.
Believing in AGW is like fornicating with your socks on. It gives you a warm fuzzy feeling but it does not change the outcome. The courts will not consider your socks as proof that you tried contraception.