From the James Hansen said the oceans would boil and the Tabloid Climatology™ department…
As a long-suffering member of the television news media, some-days, I just want to find the reporter and slap him upside the head and tell him to do some basic science research before making wild claims on national TV. This is one of those days. The graphic below says it all.
From the Business and Media Institute comes this howler from CBS News about the latest IPCC report.
“[CBS] Evening News” took a different tack, airing a story about oyster farming and complaints that climate change is ruining a man’s business. But in Ben Tracy’s story, which mentioned the IPCC’s latest report, he said that oceans have absorbed much of the heat caused by CO2 and that ocean temperatures have risen only slightly. Then he made a claim that Principal Research Scientist Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama in Huntsville called “totally misleading and irresponsible.”
Here’s what the reporter said, after telling us most of the heat went into the oceans:
“Had all that heat gone into the atmosphere, air temperatures could have risen by more than 200 degrees [showed 212 degrees onscreen],” Tracy warned.
Watch the video here, be sure to leave a comment for CBS News.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57605102/oyster-is-a-canary-in-a-coal-mine-as-oceans-warm/
Spencer told the MRC’s Business and Media Institute,
“The oceans have warmed by an average of less than 0.1 deg. C (only the SURFACE by about 0.5 deg.) since the 1950s, and since that is so much water mass, the absorbed heat equivalent to 0.1 deg. IF RELEASED ALL AT ONCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE [it] would, indeed, be hundreds of degrees. But this is physically impossible. It is a meaningless statistic. The heat actually had to go through the atmosphere before it reached the ocean.”
Say, Gunga Din, that might explain a lot (LOL):
Well, anyway, here’s an estimate that they are off by 159%.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/16/lomborg-climate-models-are-running-way-too-hot/
And here, http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/16/climate-models-getting-worse-than-we-thought/
they are estimated to be off by 200 to 500%!! That’s where they got the 212 degrees — somewhere between 200 and 500… . Hey, gotta give them credit for going with a conservative guess, there. #(:))
@davidmhoffer says:
October 2, 2013 at 6:39 pm
No it’s worse come out melt your stove top then melt a hole thru the earth popping out the other side and kill some innocent person on the other side of the world. It could happen you know just ask Jim … I think Jim forgot his Lisdexamfetamine dimesylate that week.
The simplest and most likely answer is: 212F is the boiling point of water.
Oh my! We are having Thunderstorms in the Midwest right now. It’s a WELL KNOWN FACT that the average T.Storm has the ENERGY of 10 to 20 HYDROGEN BOMBS! The only thing saving us is the “energy release rate”. Thank GOD, or GIA, or what…laws of thermodynamics, REALITY??? Because T.Storms typically take 1, 2, 3 or 4 hours to run their courses. (Versus the few SECONDS during which the fireball is formed in an H bomb, and all the ENERGY released.) Thus the POWER (rate of energy delivery) is a factor of 5000 to 20,000 times LESS than that of an H. Bomb. The ONLY comparison I can think of here is that put a hot dog in a Microwave oven at 1500 watts, and it’s heated to char in 4 minutes… But put the same hot dog on top of a 10 watt LED light, for 500 minutes, and yes…it’s heated to about 80 degrees F. (Even though the same amount of total energy is released.) But these are DIFFICULT concepts for folks with a modern, PUBLIC SCHOOL 12 years of brainwashing, compounded by another 4 years of University, and finished off (even worse) by a “Graduate Degree”. (Although some of my industrial welders, with 2 years of tech school, after getting their GED’s HAVE NO TROUBLE FOLLOWING THIS LOGIC! Go figure.
LdB, LOL, IT COULD happen!!!
Why, I remember a kid in Fresno, California who shot a BB gun and that BB ricocheted off 20,000 different solid objects and ended up putting a boy’s eye out in Tallahassee, Florida. I — kid — you — not.
Don’t blame Ben Tracy … he’s been brainwashed by the education system. …. listen to this interview here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KesybWXXZgI at about 36 seconds in discussing commentary on morning shows where “statements are made which are not supported in fact and presenting that as news”. He “thinks its dangerous”, “people watch it and they think its true”. And 55 seconds in “there really needs to be a commitment to finding out what is true”, “you can’t present facts based on how the audience wants to hear them”, “our job is to find the truth put it out there and people can make up their own minds about whether they believe it or not”.
You really need to follow your own advice Ben ….. you just haven’t done your job on anthropogenic climate change. You’re just a copy & paste journalist, no forensic skills whatsoever …
Whoa. Aaand right after my post about BB’s, gbees posts. (good point, by the way, G. Bees)
I used to think I was all alone, but now I realize that I share an affliction with perhaps millions of other (mostly male) adults, the CAGW induced, scream at the TV syndrome. And my wife thought I was just being cranky.
Janice that means we have confirmed “Hansen Stove Syndrome” which is like “China syndrome” but even worse as there are millions if not billions of stoves as opposed to a few thousand nuclear reactors.
Only one thing for it ban all stoves immediately we need a total worldwide ban on them … and the bonus side effect less green house gases …. dastardly cunning plan by Jim.
I’ve installed an automatic attic fan too (plus large awnings on the sunny sides of the house), and its effect is very noticeable. Fans are the right sort of “windmills”–they’re ten times more cost effective than “wind power.” They’re the sort of no-regrets adaptations that the greenies and governments SHOULD be subsidizing.
Oh, LdB (at 8:33pm) THANK YOU SO MUCH for letting me know that my posts (or, at least that one) are not invisible. LOL, and Al Gore would tell you that there are LITERALLY trillions and trillions of stoves out there THREATENING our planet (“I’m cereal” (or is it “serial?”)).
[Seriesly, you’re surlily surely serially cereal. Mod]
We’ll need some new cliche’s. “That makes my blood boil” and “that just burns me up” are gonna get old.
‘Canary in the Coal Mine’ ignores ‘Elephant in the Room’:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-radiation
LdB;
Only one thing for it ban all stoves immediately
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No, no, no. The problem is the heat going into the water in the pot. So we’ve got to ban pot and water. Yup, no more bongs.
I think the 200 degree nonsense may be a result of journalism majors never having to take a real science class – even if they plan to report on science.
I think what they’re really talking about is the difference in the specific heat of salt water and the gasses that make up the atmosphere. Specific heat = the energy necessary to raise the temperature of 1 unit mass by 1 degree celsius. Water’s specific heat is high – it takes a LOT more energy to heat up 1 mol of water than it does 1 mol of atmospheric gasses. There’s a lot of water on this planet so it may be that the amount of energy it takes to heat all that salt water 1/2 of a degree is equivalent to the amount of energy it would take to heat the atmosphere 200 degrees.
The 200 degree number might not be wrong — I’m certainly not going to do the math but if anyone else wants to…
Even if the math works out this doesn’t really MEAN anything except that it takes more energy to heat oceans than it does the air and anyone who has spent time in a coastal city and then a desert city knows that. Temperatures on the coast will fluctuate less than those in the desert because it takes more to heat and cool the ocean and the humid air than the sand and the dry air.
Some idiot with no science background probably pulled out what they thought was the most shocking number in the report…. only to discover a basic principle of heat and energy. Oops.
Hi, Alan Robertson! (can you believe I thought your real name was L.W.? I pictured you looking like that great Asian comedian on The Barney Miller Show. Well, you may BE Asian, but, now, I think of Scottish heritage, so, you are now a blank.
LOL, and “You are toast!” won’t be so hot anymore, either, heh.
Simple fans. “They’re the sort of no-regrets adaptations that the greenies and governments SHOULD be subsidizing.”
Gail, Roger, absolutely. Works like a charm (my fan purring in the background). 😉
Pull the cool air in at night, don’t need the A/C in the day. In a month or so from now pull in the warm air during the afternooon to warm the mass of your house itself, don’t need the heat at night. Simple.
I have even used the attic air in the early spring and later fall, it warms fast and warm in the afternoons, like a giant heat collector. Free BTUs. Everyone wants energy for free, they should try it.
Dammit I knew the whole argument has gone to pots.
I sort of wanted to check this story out so I foolishly went to the NOAA website to find out about deep ocean warming and acidification. I didn’t expect to learn anything I was just curious as to what kind of dribble the NOAA would give. I should’ve known but I was honestly surprised when I encountered, ‘Due to the government shutdown…’
Wow, can this be done worldwide?! Humanity may have a future after all.
Instead of a canary, the whole study and newscast is a canard.
Why, thank you, Moderator! How kind of you to let me know that you, too, can see my posts. Actually, I think it ith theory-uhll. #(:))
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Oh, Tom J, yes! Isn’t it wonderful? I feel like Christmas came early — 91% of the IRS (Internal Revenue Service, just FYI for non-U.S. readers) is not doing its evil deeds AND BEST OF ALL? 93% of the EPA! (Environmental “Protection” Agency) IS SHUT DOWN!
“Put a drop of ink in a bathtub full of water. What’s the chance that the drop will come out of the bathtub and stain your best shirt?”
I like that, much simpler. And I bet you can’t even detect it if you tried. So if that drop of ink is Trenberth’s missing heat no wonder it went a missing, never to show itself again.
Funny how rarely you hear even a mention of the thermal mass of the Earth come into play in all of this climate “science”, when they have fits over a W/m². Guess it matters on a massless planet. 😉
In the 1970s seed oysters were planted in Stony Brook Harbor on Long Island Where I lived, for more than a decade Oysters were plentiful but by the mid 1980s most of them were gone. The professional oystermen had over fished them, it had nothing to do with environmental causes or anything else.
So here we have an oysterman assuming that a slight increase in carbon has killed his seed oysters and this the bases for claiming that the atmosphere might boil if the oceans didn’t exist. Well yeah the atmosphere wouldn’t exist if the oceans didn’t exist and visa versa.
Janice Moore says:
October 2, 2013 at 8:44 pm
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Jtom says: @ur momisugly October 2, 2013 at 5:59 pm
“Just submitted this article to Drudge. Could be fun if they pick up on it.”
Frank K. says: @ur momisugly October 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Yep – Drudge picked it up! Ha ha ha ha ha!!! Let the derision begin…
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I looked at the actual Drudge report and it is excellent.
http://mrc.org/articles/networks-embrace-catastrophic-warnings-latest-ipcc-report