NOTE: (I had this at the bottom of the post some people missed it so I moved it up to the top) I’m not convinced that this idea has any merit whatsoever, as I see more conventional reasons (like silting) for land recovery such as at Rome’s original harbor and in New York, but thought it was worth posting for the discussion that would ensue. Even bad science deserves to be discussed/disproven. See also a note below. – Anthony
Isostacy is a major Geological error.
Guest essay by Richard Guy
The Governments of the United States and Canada are concerned about the ebbing water levels in the Great Lakes. For years the water levels in the great lakes and other lakes have been declining without any signs of ever returning to previous levels. The best news is that there is no hope that the water levels will ever return. The bad news is that we have our heads stuck in the sand dunes which have been created on the shores of the great lakes as they recede.
What we have also failed to notice is that the process is speeding up faster than our ability to grasp the reality. The fact is that this process of ebbing lake and water levels has been going on since pre history but we are just becoming aware of it as more and more shoreline inhabitants observe the phenomenon.
Another major deterrent to our overall realization is that our thought processes are hampered, among other things, by the media hype of rising sea levels and Post Glacial Rebound. Post Glacial Rebound is a geological error which has been foisted on us for a long time. It is time that we outlaw this false concept of Glacial Rebound and release a new era of exiting discoveries which have remained hidden by this mistaken premise.
Isostatic Rebound was introduced into Geological theology over one hundred years ago and it has lead us astray. This theory of Iostacy was based on an original error in deduction. The error in deduction was that the land rose from the sea. This original error was compounded when the theory of Post Glacial Rebound was built on it. This led us even further away from the truth.
We will never solve the disappearing water problem until we face the reality that we have been mislead by Iostacy. We have to face this reality because this reality is now facing us: we are losing water all over the planet while we continue to harp on rising seas levels.
Once we abandon Isostatic Rebound we will see the reality of receding seas. This path will also lead us to other interesting discoveries such as why the seas recede.? Once we accept that seas are receding that acceptance will automatically eliminate Post Glacial Rebound. There is no time to waste because our survival depends on this acceptance.
What is really occurring is that the sea levels have been falling from pre historic times. Rivers have been draining the land and the lakes since pre-historic times. As Sea levels fall lower and lower the draining process moves faster and faster and we lose our wetlands as more and more land is left behind by the receding seas. Sand dunes now line the shores of the great lakes where people used to swim and boats used to be moored. Many marinas have been deserted leaving boats stranded on sand bars. This is also a cause of the amount of arid land which is increasing worldwide.
Graph from: http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/now/wlevels/dbd/
So it is wise at this stage to give the lie to rising sea levels and accept receding sea levels. This will not stop the water loss but it will make us understand what we have to do in order to preserve what little water we do have left.
New York is learning about receding seas because the marshes in Jamaica Bay are disappearing and drying up. New Jersey is dealing with the receding sea by selling off the new land left by the sea to Donald Trump and Playboy Hotels and Casinos. Donald Trump built his Taj Mahal Casino on these lands left by the receding sea.
Now that The State of New Jersey has discovered the land bonanza they are gaining as the sea recedes they have been looking over old survey maps to find out where the sea was back in 1776. They are proposing to claim retroactive taxes from landowners who have occupied these lands back to those historical times. They estimate that they have accumulated 830000 acres of land from the sea since 1776. The State of New York can make a similar claim as it includes long Island the Sounds and Brooklyn Shorelines. An exhibition by the New York Library in 2010 showed the mapping of the New York shoreline over three hundred years. The entire New York coastline has gained a quarter mile of land over that period.
So when we see the water levels falling in the Great lakes that is only the tip of the iceberg. Those levels have been falling for a very long time and will continue to do so. If we want to get a picture of what our earth will eventually look like just look at the face of the Planet Mars.
The first order of business is to get rid of the Isostatic Rebound theory and accept that our seas are receding as our planet expands. The sea is not rising. We will then see why our lakes are going dry. We will also understand that the only thing we can do about it is to keep dredging our waterways harbours and lakes to keep things moving. That was all three Emperors of Rome could do to keep the Harbour at Ostia open: they were finally defeated. It took Nero, Trajan and Articus one hundred years of dredging before they gave up the fight against the receding sea. Today Ostia is three miles from the sea and twenty feet above sea level.
The Port Authority in New York is having to blast bedrock, for the first time, to keep the harbour channels open. The sea keeps getting shallower and the seagoing vessels keep getting larger. Ships keep demanding deeper depths.
Our Planet Earth is dynamic. It is a masterful creation not unlike other planets in the Cosmos. The earth does not reveal her secrets readily and her secrets are often presented to us as a mirror image of what is really happening. So when we observe that land is rising it may just be a mirror image: our seas are receding.
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Richard Guy is a Structural Engineer. P.Eng, Mse, West London University. He has worked in several countries worldwide. He has written three books on Receding Seas and allied Phenomena. He lectures, writes and does radio and TV interviews. He has built Airports, Refineries, Highways on lands left behind by the receding sea
See: The Mysterious Receding Seas on Amazon
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UPDATE: for those who never read past the first few paragraphs to see my caveat, I’ve now moved it up top for better visibility.
Some people asked why I should publish “rubbish science” like this. The reason is the same that I often publish some “rubbish science”from climatology; it deserves ridicule for the ridiculous premise of the idea.
At some point, when the next ice age kicks in, we will start to see the seas recede. We are nowhere close to that.
The new land that Mr. Guy sees is from silting deposition. For example the delta of the Mississippi river continues to grow each year for that reason.
Plus, with GPS enabled altimetry systems, we can now actually measure isotasy changes. – Anthony
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This reminded me of the great sci-fi trilogy “Dune”, by Frank Herbert. When I first started reading this, I thought “someone is pulling our leg, to see who bites”. I still find it hard to believe that Guy is serious about this. For one thing, if the oceans are receding, where is the water going?
It’s pretty whacky, but harmless, like the belief in alien beings. Yes, Al Gore is pretty strong evidence, but more is needed….
Planet expands?!? Stopped there.
>>>It took Nero, Trajan and Articus one hundred years of dredging…..
And where did this Emperor Articus come from? Eh? Just what is this Guy (sic) on about? Come on, Richard Guy, I know you are out there somewhere, please do tell us.
Honestly, this Guy (sic) must be the the most brain-dead nematode to have ever wormed his way (sic) into a ‘university’. But then the University of West London is not a university at all, it is a polytechnic. This was the result of liberal politicing, where some equally brain-dead numskull in parliament wanted equality in education more than exellence. So they renamed all the third-rate polytechnics as universities. But they are still third-rate, and some of the students are merely there to make up the numbers. I would suggest that Richard Guy was one of those make-weights.
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Next to come: the anti-subduction guy… What a waste.
Nothing wrong w/Anthony posting this. Junk, but there are some interesting replies. That’s what it’s all about.
RoHa says:
August 31, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Oh my.
Oh my, oh my, oh my.
REPLY: That video just goes to show that you can model anything – Anthony
dbstealey says:
August 31, 2013 at 11:57 pm
I’ve been to the thermal features at Yellowstone and Calistoga, California. High pressure steam is not to be argued with.
I fear someone has pulled the plug. Given that black holes are involved, we’re all going to die:
http://www.sott.net/article/265248-Ultra-powerful-black-hole-whirlpools-seen-for-the-first-time-in-the-South-Atlantic
Hi Ric
The water is not going anywhere the surface area of the earth on land as well as the seafloor is expanding so the sea levels must fall: its that simple. That is what is happening and has been happening for a very long time. We just fail to recognize it because the process is slow and we are in one particular location for most of our lives. Your observations were noted
Without immediate action to institute global regulation and taxation, the children just aren’t going to know what water is!
(do I need a /sarc tag?)
I know my head is expanding ’cause the shiny spot keeps getting bigger!
If this was a test to see if we could recognize it before we stepped in it, I think we passed.
Hello Frank
Water levels are recding all around the world some inland seas and lakes are shrinking and some are disappearing for one reason or another. Just recently the house of Simon Peter the fisherman and Disciple of Jesus was unearthed by Archaoelogists in Bethsaida Israel. They were naturally puzzled by the discovery because the house was seven miles from the sea of Galilee. Cheers
Hello Richard,
Thank you for sharing your observations and theories for us to discuss.
isostasy: from the Greek iso+stasy “condition of standing” from histanal “to cause to stand”… 2. general equilibrium in the earth’s crust maintained by a yielding flow of rock material beneath the surface under gravitative stress (based on relative densities of materials)
Sure, less dense granite floats/floated to the top where it can/could. Also on History Channel, they said there was a bowl of a magnesium-containing variant of lime-stone (they called it calcium-magnesium-carbonate, but my chem books are mum on such a thing, so maybe it’s geologist-speak for some mixture) which is much more resistant to acids, underlying the Great Lakes, and underneath which we have operating salt mines (under both the lakes and the bowl).
OTOH, there’s the Salton Sea, Sea of the Plain/Salt Sea in the Jordan river, Colorado river, and recently, easily observable and much complained about receding levels of lakes in Florida, sink-holes, etc.
There’s a lake in Tallahasee that goes through an irregular cycle of draining through sink-holes and re-filling. But then the Florida peninsula and a goodly part of the adjacent coastal area is like a big calcium-carbonate sponge. Also in northern Florida there are natural pipes you can walk through that run for 8 miles or more (not just bits of moisture in capillary micro-cracks). There are also fresh-water springs a few miles out into the Gulf which appear to come through such pipes, fed by local rain-fall on the land (based on radiometric profiling).
One of the cave diving books I read many moons ago suggested possible former Gulf of Mexico levels as much as 200 feet below current, based on off-shore fossilized tree-stumps, and cave floor levels (with fire pits which were excavated by archaeologists).
Hmmm… So, we have one farfetched idea with little or no evidence; that the oceans are receding, based on an even more preposterous idea; that the earth is expanding.
Good luck with that, Richard.
Over the many years I have observed that people live in many separate realities some not connected to the physical reality.
I put down the wrong date for the Oroville earthquake series: It was 1974-1975 http://www.johnmartin.com/earthquakes/eqpapers/00000052.htm
I think the lowering of the sea levels can be easily explained to some: it was the Kursk that collided that plug in the bottom of the Baltic (hence the big cover up), and is causing the ocean to drain. All of that water is making the minerals hydrate and expand.
Baba Yaga was flying over the area at the time and claims she saw the whole thing happen.
After I wrote this I drank the entire mug of beer and did not get my moustache wet.
Ric Werme,
Thank you for the link. If someone doesn’t put that plug back, Richard Guy is right…
we’re DO-O-O-O-O-M-ED!!
These things are happening everywhere!
No wonder the Great Lakes are drying up.
@Alan Bale
“there was no Roman Emperor called Articus”
I’m pretty sure there was. He lived deep under the sea, so we haven’t really seen him yet.
There was really no emperor named Articus but at least you were paying attention. What other two Emperors tried to keep the harbour at Ostia open by dredging? Ostia is now three miles from the sea. The Salt pans at Ostia which were once at sea level are now twenty feet above, present day, sea level and three miles from he sea. Thanks for your continued diligence.
Richard
I’m not so sure that Richard Guy’s paper will get much attention because he didn’t somehow blame it on carbon. Perhaps if he threw in a carbon sink and dbstealey’s plug….
What I know is that we swallow everything we have learned in school without thinking for ourselves. All I am saying is think. Ever so often governments measure mountains to see how much they have grown. We hear that Everest has grown so many feet in so many years, yes I know, Isostatic Rebound. That’s so easy to accept because that is what has been handed down to us. But think?. We measure all topographical features from sea level because sea level is a established datum for ages. But WHAT IF SEA LEVEL HAS BEEN RECEDING OVER THE AGES? WHAT IF SEA LEVEL HAS BEEN RECEDING UNKNOWN TO US?. So when we hear that mountains grow please just stop for a second to think the problem out?
The Tibetans harvest salt from the floor of an ancient sea at an elevation of 18000 feet above sea level. Hymalayan pink salt is an expensive commodity left behind by receding seas. The Hymalayas are supposed to be still rising due to the Indian collision. How much further is it supposed to rise:just think for yourself?
Richard Guy says:
“There was really no emperor named Articus…”
But… but, I thought Articus was the patron saint of the Artic! Bureaucrats routinely pray to St. Articus to keep the Artic from becoming ice-free. And any fool can see that their prayers have been answered. So don’t try to tell us that the government schools
indoctrinatedtaught us wrong!If I had gone to a parochial school those bureaucrats might have given me wrong information, like teaching us that it was the emperor Claudius who dredged Ostia [and invented underwater-setting cement in the process]. But what do private schools know, anyway?
St. Articus, Intercede For Us. Do not let the Artic become ice-free!
Our fate rests in your holy hands.
W e need people like Richard Guy and the expanding earthers just so we take another look at current “received wisdom”. In many cases what is conventional, unremarkable doctrine today was, not so long ago, considered to be the ” out there” opinion of crackpots. Dinosaur extinction, due to meteorite impacts , continental drift-plate tectonics the earth revolving around the sun, the great age of the earth ; all of these were extremely controversial. It does no harm to revisit our ideas.
Having said that I know where Noway would be without Iostacy ……….about 2 miles below sea level.
Hi GregK
In New York I attended an exhibition at the New York Public Library some three years ago “The New York Shoreline over 300 years” Someone pointed out in a post that the size of Manhattan has been increased to almost twice by landfill: true. What has been overlooked however is that the sea level has fallen over the last three hundred years and is still falling undetected. When you stand at the corner of Pearl Street and Wall Street you can see that the East River is 1800 feet away and fifteen feet above sea level. Three hundred years ago the sea at Pearl Street was five feet below the street level. There were depictions at the exhibition showing that the coast of New York has moved out a quarter mile in that time. New York Harbour like all harbours around the world have to be dredged constantly.
I would like to offer a delightful field trip in Maine. When I was but a fledgling, in place salt water clams were being noticed by glaciologists from University of Maine they were well up the Penobscott River several hundred feet above present sea level.
I have lived my life rationalizing the earth quakes and presence of the salt water clams 200 feet above present sea level with the narrative described in this field trip. I don’t think I am too old to learn but perhaps to gain some first hand knowledge Mr Guy needs to get out from behind his writing desk and take a nice field trip. A little reality from time to time does wonders.(Sigh! Field checking assertions has become a thing of the past and the CC, PC community substitutes data with vigorous hand waving,ideology and projections of improbable models!)
A viable alternative explanation of these observable phenomena would be in order if he wishes to keep his assertions viable…
http://www.geology.um.maine.edu/friends/pdf/2006MaineCoast.pdf
Hi Half Tide Rock
I did get out to see the real world. Early in my engineering career I was working on the building of an Oil Refinery in Milford Haven in Wales, UK. The refinery was being built on the sea and it had a Jetty for ships to bring in the Crude. I mentioned that all the steel structures we were putting up would erode in a few short years because of the sea salt. The Foremen enlightened me with a small piece of information which set me thinking. He said that the Sea was moving out and would be further away in another 100 years. He was from the area and evidently knew all this. He told me that all the Roman Roads which were built on the foreshore of Wales were now far inland. In later years a reader of my book “The Mysterious Receding Seas” wrote me sending photos of several Forts and Castles in Wales which were once on the sea but were now far removed. I found the same anomaly build in the Middle East and on Islands in the Bahamas.
Richard, I absolutely agree that if I was standing on ground that was because of tectonics being uplifted at the rate of 2 +/- cm per year the ocean would be receding relatively This relative relationship would hold as long as sea level rise remained under the uplift rate.
It is absolutely true that we have to take a look at an obligation to take a look at all “Settled Science” as our understanding improves.
Your strength of materials training should prepare you to analyse the deflection of a floor that is loaded in the middle.as it is loaded and after the load is removed. You are welcome to question glacial rebound as an explanation for the phenomena we observe in areas where the ice loaded the ground and then the load was rapidly removed. As an engineer your proposition goes against your training. In addition it breaks the first rule of Newtons rules for appropriate scientific method. IE restrict your self to the minimal number of causes sufficient to explain the phenomena..
If you attempt to falsify glacial rebound in favor of your theory your theory fails on the evidence.
If you attempt to falsify major tectonic events in favor of your theory tour theory fails on the evidence.
If you use major tectonic events to suggest the mean global sea level receded and thus the observed phenomena your premise fails by observation in areas which are not rising out of the oceans…
To one of your points: There are major tectonic events in play in the Caribbean. These events sufficiently explain anomalous changes in land form. Your theory introduces unnecessary complication because one would have to reconcile anomalous observations world wide with out the benefit of understood phenomena.
To another of your points which I choose as a good example of why your approach fails scientific method Dredging in New York as support of your thesis:. Moving water transports sediment. the grain size that can be transported and direction is a function of the velocity. When dredging takes place in areas of high water velocities the dredged area sees an immediate reduction of the current velocity at the up stream edge of the dredged area. When the suspended particles meet this low velocity boundary they are dropped. causing a “delta effect” the delta grows into the dredged channel until such time as the channel does not meet it’s criteria and the process of removing the deposited material is necessary to maintain the channel. This recurrent dredging is the phenomena you use to advance your theory and for the reasons above this phenomena fails your theory because there is a simple and known explanation with out your theory.
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Going beyond what is necessary to refute.The reason that ledge is now being blasted in these harbors is because the draft of vessels in being increased Recently the Panama Canal max size ship criteria has resulted in significant adjustment in American ports.channel depth and berthing. .If we decide to dredge channels deeper it does not reflect a change in elevation of the land.
Most of your arguments are anecdotal observation of known phenomena with understood causes and therefore your use of them fails as a non sequitur.
A global argument that sea level is dropping requires global measurements against a global standard. Perhaps you should limit your arguments to those which support your theory not refute it through the introduction of unexplained complexity.The direction I would look for supporting data is to the satellite global mean sea level data. This data presumably is independent of tectonic, subsidence and other observable phenomena which complicate and if required to fail refute your thesis.
Best wishes.
Some years ago in Arizona I went with some surveyors to survey a nine acre parcel of land. The survey revealed that land had been added to the parcel and the access road was on the adjoining parcel of land. My Daughter, while a Civil Engineering Student, was paid by the University to take her fellow students on field trips. She told me that every year they started at the same peg but was never able to close the Traverse: they were always out. In later years I spoke to some students on a field trip and they told me the same thing. When I did surveying in London we were told the same thing. Later in Arizona building hundreds of houses not on 50X100 lot ever closed accurately. There was always some inches out. There is a famous court case in Texas where 2 ranchers are fighting over a mile of land that was not on the map 200 years ago. And so it goes you live and you learn. The border of Texas and Juarez Mexico is expanding. Both Mexico and the US laid claim to the land. When I visited in 1972 I was told that the land was signed over to Mexico by President Linden Johnson as a goodwill gesture. The land was then 600 feet wide. Richard Guy
When you are on the way down to El Paso Texas you travel through the San Lazario salt sands desert and they are 2000 feet above sea level. The entire desert is salt instead of sand. All this salt was the cause of the Texas Salt wars in the late eighteen hundreds. Salt is found on evey continent on earth. In Russia there is a Mountain of salt. In Lampoc California there is a mountain of Diatomaceous material which is mined by the John Mansfield Company. These miniscule sea organisms were deposited there over millions of years when the Mountain was still under the sea. The tiny crustatians are used to make fine fuel filters. A food variety is even ingested and is supposed to have curative powers. Nearby on the same mountain range is a major earthquake rift that tore the mountain apart. I first visited the area in the seventies when the ruins of the old Spanish Monastery was still there. The earthquake rift ran right through the Monastery and wrecked it. Thirty years later when I returned to the area the entire area was covered with houses. All the houses built across the rift were condemned because they were being torn apart. The earthquake rift occurred in 1811 the same time as the New Madrid Earthquake. The Padres moved the Monastery across the Lampoc Valley and rebuilt on the same earthquake fault. Some years later that Monastery also suffered earthquake damage. Richard Guy
Hi Half Tide Rock
Thanks for the lesson is Structures and Strength of Materials. But that is my point exact. I am saying that no Ice Age load has been imposed on the land over the ages to cause a rebound. What I am saying is that Darwin started the whole ball rolling with what he termed “Raised Beaches” He assumed that the land was rising from the sea when it was really the opposite. So later Agazzis picks up on Darwin and says. “The reason the land is rising is because the Ice Age imposed a heavy burden on the land and now that the Ice has melted away the land is rebounding.” That is the myth that Isostatic Rebound is built upon. What I am saying is that if Darwin was wrong in his interpretation of the uplift then Agazzis is doubly wrong in using a flawed concept to base his Isostacy theory on. SO if there was no ice age burden there was no Isostacy. Geology students would welcome such a change believe me. Thanks Half Tide Rock your comments were greatly appreciated. Your submission was great. Richard Guy .
Water is endangered? Srsly?
UK Sceptic: The British Isle was once attached to mainland Europe. Millions of years ago the separation started and the Island of Britain has been moving away ever since. The English Channel
is about twenty one miles and counting. There are about 4 earthquakes in Britain annually and they are most often centered in the middle of the English Channel. The White Cliffs of Dover have their related counterparts on the French coast. If the land masses were ever to get together again they would fit snugly. The Channel coast of Britain is eroding and falling into the sea no doubt because of the slump caused by the expansion. This slump phenomenon takes place along all rifts and can be seen along river valleys: which are all rift lines. Now if you are still sceptical take a tour along the Cornish coast of Britain and see how the cliffs fall off to the Atlantic at Lands End. Also all the Cinque ports have lost their harbours since the Middle ages. Southampton has had three successive harbours since the middle ages. The Towns of Sandwich and Richborough are all inland today but were once on the coast. Richard Guy
The story of the Ark on Mt Ararat is a historical story which you may believe or not but just think?
Noah is hailed are the Patriach of the Assyrian Nation. The Assyrians are an ancient people who originated in the higher reaches of what is modern day Iraq in former days Mesopothamia. The land between two rivers. Noah,s great grandson Nimrod established the city of Nineveh on the Estuary of the Euphrates River. In later years the city of Babylon was, also,established on the estuary of the Euphrates River. Later the city of Ur was also established on the Estuary of the Euphrates River. Ur was a busy harbour on the Persian Gulf at one time but today Ur is 250 miles from the Persian Gulf and 120 feet above sea level. Babylon is today 400 miles from the Gulf and 150 feet above sea level. Nineveh is today 700 feet above sea level. Baghdad also once had a harbour on the Tigris River but today it is 350 Miles from the Sea. Think ?
The interesting thing about my last post which I omitted to mention is that Mount Ararat is always covered with snow. Mt Ararat is an ancient Volcano but below the snow cover is pillow lava. Mt Ararat is sixteen thousand nine hundred feet above sea level today? Pillow lava is also found all across the Arizona and California Deserts. Pillow Lava is all across the Pacific Sea floor and the Mid Atlantic Ridge.
So this little essay is just a repeated baseless claim with no evidence outside a handful of anecdotes that are easily explained by current understanding.
Drop in water levels of the Great Lakes? Can’t be increased water consumption or drought, must be that isostatic rebound is wrong.
A city at the end of a river has got more land or needs to be dredged? Can’t be deposition from the river, must be that isostatic rebound is wrong.
What’s that, we’ve measured isostatic rebound with GPS, rising seas with altimeters and there are plenty of places where land is being lost to the sea? Just don’t mention those but stay calm and use another anecdote while complaining about how the truth is hidden (PS. you can buy the book that proves it).
Some comments have suggested that this is a poor quality post by WUWT standards but I don’t see how it’s any different to WUWT’s approach to climate science.
Most importantly, these claims mean that sea levels aren’t rising and any such claims should be pushed by WUWT, regardless of whether they attack isostatic rebound, thermal expansion, plate tectonics or whatever.
The sea is rising by 2 Millimeters per annum and we must all be alarmed that in 100 years we will be flooded. Let us just think for a moment: think? What does a millimeter look like when you try to envisage it between your thumb and forefinger. It is the thickness of a Quarter. It is an insult to our intelligence to keep harping on a 2 millimeter sea level rise. We cannot be serious when we look at sea level. Sea level varies by 100 feet all around the world so we had better speak in terms of a foot of sea level rise because we cant measure a millimeter of water difference in a bathtub. Think? That’s all I ask; Think? It not about bad spelling, poor sentence construction its about thinking? There are marine fossils at 29000 feet on Mt Everest. Don’t we know the entire earth was once covered with Water.
Think? We still have the same amount of water today it has gone nowhere but the planet has expanded and so it is natural that water levels must fall. Think? That’s why I thank Anthony for posting my hypothesis so that it can be thrown out to thinking minds for discussiion. WUWT is to be commended for posting my thoughts for someone is going to see through all the sarcasm and redicule and come up with something of value. Thanks again Anthony. Richard Guy
Some years ago I was working on a commercial building in Houston, Texas. We were on a site visit one morning. The electrical contractor had just dug a trench for his cables and the black tufted earth was lying on the side of the trench. I commented to the Architect that the soil looked rich and was perhaps full of nutrients for plant growth. The Architect reached down and took up a clod of the earth and held it up for me to see as he crumbled it with his fingers. As the powdered soil fell through his fingers he commented. “Richard this earth is no good for agriculture it is full of salt for just a few years ago the sea was here” This was in 2000. But I had heard that from the building foreman on the refinery site in Milford Haven, Wales in 1958. I have been connecting the dots since then. Richard Guy
WUWT I commend you for your liberalism of thought. I appreciate you airing my thoughts so that the others out there may start thinking and not just accepting what Darwin or Agazzis passed down to us. In our quest for the truth we will find that as sea levels receded through the ages civilization followed. Our earth was covered entirely with water and as the sea levels fell ancient civilizations developed on the tops of mountain outcrops.( Sounds Familiar?) Yes all ancient civilizations started up in high mountain regions of the world. We may have to rewrite history as we have been taught it? Think. As sea levels receded land bridges emerged and early civilizations were able to spread out, invade and capture other peoples, make war and expand their territories. Alexander the great went east early on and the Mongols came west later. Just think. All these developments were dictated by receding seas and we still don’t know this part of our history. We still don’t know that seas are receding today??? Just Think and see for yourselves just don’t accept what we are taught.
MieScatter:
In your post at September 2, 2013 at 3:22 am you say
And your (deliberate?) failure to “see” is precisely why I made my post at August 31, 2013 at 1:55 pm
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/31/claim-post-glacial-rebound-is-a-myth/#comment-1404851
The posting of articles such as the above – whether or not the intention is to refute them – enables the likes of SkS to pretend such articles are typical of the standard of science presented on WUWT.
Richard
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I have an idea. Why doesn’t MieScatter get, say, Michael Mann or Hansen to submit a post to WUWT and then stick around to answer comments like Richard Guy has? I realize that answering questions from those who don’t agree isn’t the norm for such “climate scientist” but what would be the harm? Gee, maybe some might even start to think.
A New York times article first published in 1981 spells out what New Jersey has learned since starting to use aerial photography since 1922. Read it is the archives of the NYT. “Jersey Rights to Shore prove costly to Casinos” Good article for opening the eyes. Aerial photography is able to span the generation gap which we cannot do because we all assume sea level never changes. We are unable to pass the changes from generation to generation and so we remain ignorant of the sea level recession. Aerial photography is able to span this informational gap. So we all can benefit with the information and use it constructively. The State of New Jersey is using it to collect back taxes? Well that’s constructive?? Richard Guy
All the historic cities around the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas are all six miles inland today.
Troy, Ephesus, Mycene, Ramsees, Ramsees was the store city where the Israelites started out on their Exodus from Egypt. Ramsees had a harbour in historic times but was discovered six miles inland on the Nile Delta in 1883. Pithom, also. a store city was later discovered. Pithom also had a harbour and the Israelites crossed the Red Sea at Pithom. Today the Red Sea is fifty miles from Pithom. Pithom is approximately half way along the Suez Canal by the City of Ismailia.