Quote of the week – Nature on the failure of climate models

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From the world of Claimatology™, comes this smackdown from Nature.

 “The dramatic warming predicted after 2008 has yet to arrive.”

An article published today in Nature laments the dismal failure of climate models to predict climate a mere 5 years into the future, much less a century from now.

Some other points of interest:

  • “It’s fair to say that the real world warmed even less than our forecast suggested,” [modeller] Smith says. “We don’t really understand at the moment why that is.” “
  • “Although I have nothing against this endeavour as a research opportunity, the papers so far have mostly served as a ‘disproof of concept’,” says Gavin Schmidt. Schmidt says that these efforts are “a little misguided”. He argues that it is difficult to attribute success or failure to any particular parameter because the inherent unpredictability of weather and climate is built into both the Earth system and the models. “It doesn’t suggest any solutions,” he says.
  • “Because the climate does not usually change drastically from one year to the next, the model is bound to start off predicting conditions that are close to reality. But that effect quickly wears off as the real climate evolves. If this is the source of the models’ accuracy, that advantage fades quickly after a few years.”
  • “Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, says that it could be a decade or more before this research really begins to pay off in terms of predictive power, and even then climate scientists will be limited in what they can say about the future.”

Limited in what they can say about the future?

Since when? Somebody please tell Jim Hansen he can’t say “the oceans will boil“.

The Nature article is here: http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-forecast-for-2018-is-cloudy-with-record-heat-1.13344

h/t to the Hockey Schtick.

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MJ
July 11, 2013 8:48 am

So are they going to retract all those papers who made claims based on computer models? It seems as though a lot of the science is based on these.

Jdallen
July 11, 2013 8:48 am

Your assessment leaves out a very key passage, which gives the article a very different complection than your interpretation:
“…In one such analysis4, Doblas-Reyes and his colleagues say that their model anticipated the slowdown in global warming up to five years in advance. Their paper also bolstered the theory that the deep oceans, notably the Atlantic and tropical Pacific, had stalled atmospheric warming by absorbing much of the heat being trapped by rising concentrations of greenhouse-gas concentrations in the air (see ‘Lost heat’).”
In short, the heat is still there; rather than being expressed in more volatile changes in atmospheric temperature, energy is being picked up in the thousands-fold greater reservoir of the ocean.
The limitations of models to provide exacting predictions has actually been discussed for a long time. That does not detract from their utility as analysis and forecasting tools, nor allow us to dismiss empirical observation which demonstrate very clear human-driven changes occurring in our climate. *Even if* data proved change was taking place more slowly (which it does not), all that does is give us more time. It does not give us a “pass” to continue business as usual…..

Stefan
July 11, 2013 8:55 am

A Shot in the Dark

rogerknights
July 11, 2013 8:56 am

Imagine what Nature–and other journals–will be saying after two more flat years. Or cool years. 🙂

jorgekafkazar
July 11, 2013 8:58 am

Models are either stochastic or determinate. A determinate model only works if all factors are known over the entire possible range of variables. That is far from true, here. We can’t accurately calculate much, and certainly not rain, clouds, ENSO, and most other phenomena. A stochastic (random) model must tuned to emulate the distribution of actual system outputs as they occur over a period of time. The resultant model is not reality, it only emulates reality over a short span. It wiggles, just like climate. But once outside that time span, the model is useless nonsense. Even within the span of standardization, there will be significant drift from reality as the model’s random number generators fail to simulate actual weather, giving the modeler only meaningless wiggles with no connection to reality. The average of garbage is garbage.

rogerknights
July 11, 2013 9:01 am

Jdallen says:
July 11, 2013 at 8:48 am
*Even if* data proved change was taking place more slowly (which it does not), all that does is give us more time. It does not give us a “pass” to continue business as usual…..

The Third World says, “Who’s ‘us,’ white man?”

July 11, 2013 9:04 am

Jeremy said:
July 11, 2013 at 6:59 am
The FAILURE is also with the UN IPCC, Western Governments, media and NGO’s like Sierra, WWF and Greenpeace. … The FAILURE is with THEM.
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No, the failure is with YOU. Your faith isn’t strong enough. You gotta BELIEVE brother!
Can I get an amen…

Daniel
July 11, 2013 9:10 am

“Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, says that it could be a decade or more before this research really begins to pay off in terms of predictive power, and even then climate scientists will be limited in what they can say about the future.”
Trenberth must have about 10 years until retirement – gotta keep that money pumping!

Bill Marsh
Editor
July 11, 2013 9:11 am

“Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.” —– Niels Bohr

Bill Marsh
Editor
July 11, 2013 9:12 am

“Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, says that it could be a decade or more before this research really begins to pay off in terms of predictive power, and even then climate scientists will be limited in what they can say about the future.”
Interesting tacit admission that current models have no skill.

Bill Marsh
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July 11, 2013 9:14 am

Jdallen says:
July 11, 2013 at 8:48 am
*Even if* data proved change was taking place more slowly (which it does not), all that does is give us more time. It does not give us a “pass” to continue business as usual…..
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1) more slowly than what?
2) Are you saying that, regardless of what the data says, we have to ‘do something’ about that which has not been shown to be happening?

Tom J
July 11, 2013 9:20 am

Frank K. says:
July 11, 2013 at 8:41 am
‘For example, why would anyone in their right mind maintain a very expensive branch of NASA GSFC in downtown New York City???’
Because the restaurants are good?
(Seriously, I’ll bet that’s the reason. They’d probably prefer Marrakech, Morocco; Durban, So. Africa; Cancun, Mexico; and others but that would be too obvious.)

rogerknights
July 11, 2013 9:22 am

I hope stories like this, and the one in the Economist, give sycophants like Cameron a thrill of fear: “What if we’ve bet on the wrong horse?”

OssQss
July 11, 2013 9:27 am

On topic! 😉

Chad Wozniak
July 11, 2013 9:28 am

Duh.

Scott Basinger
July 11, 2013 9:30 am

I’m having a hard time reconciling the following statement in the article with “the science is settled”.
“It’s fair to say that the real world warmed even less than our forecast suggested,” Smith says. “We don’t really understand at the moment why that is.”

Latitude
July 11, 2013 9:31 am

Jdallen says:
July 11, 2013 at 8:48 am
Your assessment leaves out a very key passage, which gives the article a very different complection than your interpretation:
“…In one such analysis4, Doblas-Reyes and his colleagues say that their model anticipated the slowdown in global warming up to five years in advance.”
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yeah right….and like all the other computer games….that was one run out of the hundreds of different runs that gave a totally different result
http://www.wcrp-climate.org/wgcm/WGCM16/Paco_CMIP5decadal.pdf

Snotrocket
July 11, 2013 9:34 am

Dr Norman Page: “As a simple (not exact) analogy controlling CO2 levels to control temperature is like trying to lower the temperature of an electric hot plate under a boiling pan of water by capturing and sequestering the steam coming off the top.”
Great analogy….can I use it? (I will, anyway 🙂 )

Mark Bofill
July 11, 2013 9:37 am

Jdallen says:
July 11, 2013 at 8:48 am

The limitations of models to provide exacting predictions has actually been discussed for a long time. That does not detract from their utility as analysis and forecasting tools…
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I beg your pardon Jdallen, the limitations of the models to provide exacting predictions absolutely detracts from their utility as forecasting tools. It’s possible Steven Mosher (who I hold in high regard) will be along to tell us presently that the models are good, that we all use models, that we essentially couldn’t unzip our pants to urinate without using models, etc., and he’ll be right about all that. The only thing I object to, quite literally, is that we collectively expect these models to provide accurate projections in the face of evidence that shows that the models do not provide accurate projections yet. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for people to get their heads around.

Tom
July 11, 2013 9:48 am

@Rod Everson:

It (the model) begins to drift back to its preferred climate? Does that mean what it sounds like it means? Because it sure sounds like it means that regardless of the initial inputs, the model is going to end up “drifting” to a preordained (“preferred”) climate prediction. Preferred by the modeler, no doubt.

It’s essentially saying that each model has its estimate of climate sensitivity and a few other parameters. Simplistically speaking, these models model how energy from the sun flows into various earth systems and back out again to produce an average of the global temperature. You start with a temperature estimated from the instrumental record for a given time where you also have decent estimates for all of the inputs (CO2 level, volcanic activity, aerosol patterns, methane level…) and jiggle the parameters around until the modelled temperature matches the estimate from the instrumental record. Given no change in the inputs, that model will then keep on producing the same temperature – it’s at equilibrium (if you’ve done it right).
Then you disturb the model by changing one of the input parameters. its temperature estimate will begin to change and (assuming you’ve made a stable model) it will settle at a new equilibrium. But each model will settle at a different equilibrium because each one used a different combination of parameters to match that original temperature estimate. Model A might have a very high CO2 sensitivity but a very low methane sensitivity, for instance, while model B has a very low CO2 sensitivity but a very high methane sensitivity. They will both match the instrumental temperature estimate for a given time, but in model A the heat is mostly trapped by CO2 while in model B it is trapped mostly by methane. But if you change the CO2-concentration input to both models, model A will produce a much higher temperature than model B.
Whether those different responses to input reflect reality or the researchers biases depends very much on the process they used to tune the model. If you base them on theory-based estimates of model processes and parameters then you’d probably say they reflect reality, while if they are just adjusted to arbitrarily match the instrumental estimate then they reflect either the modeller’s prejudices or are entirely random.
The problem is that using the best theoretical estimates of model parameters never produces a model that matches reality even at one point in time, let alone through time. This simply reflects the fundamental defect of climate modelling: We don’t know enough about the system to model it accurately. On some aspects we understand the processes but don’t know enough to estimate the parameters with any certainty. On others we’re entirely ignorant what drives the processes (such as the PDO, AMO etc). No doubt there are entire processes that we don’t know about, or which are still controversial (cosmic ray cloud seeding, for instance). So every climate model, to a greater or lesser degree, is either a tedious curve-fitting exercise, only valid for the range the curve was fitted over, or reflects the prejudices of the modeller. It’s no real surprise (or shouldn’t be) that they spit out garbage.

RichieP
July 11, 2013 9:52 am

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/09/mann-of-steel-another-box-office-bomb/#comment-1360753
Wow. Where’s ‘smart guy’ Ryan when his friends need him here?

July 11, 2013 9:54 am

My highlights for selected words and phrases;

“…
◾“It’s fair to say that the real world warmed even less than our forecast suggested,” [modeller] Smith says. “We don’t really understand at the moment why that is.” “

‘even less’? That is one remarkable understatement of one’s own work! Even for a climate modeler.

◾“Although I have nothing against this endeavour as a research opportunity, the papers so far have mostly served as a ‘disproof of concept’,” says Gavin Schmidt. Schmidt says that these efforts are “a little misguided”. He argues that it is difficult to attribute success or failure to any particular parameter because the inherent unpredictability of weather and climate is built into both the Earth system and the models. “It doesn’t suggest any solutions,” he says.

What’s misguided; the papers, ‘disproof of concept’, or climate models themselves? Given Gavins ‘inherent unpredictability of weather’ admission, I must conclude that the climate models are the misguided efforts.

◾“Because the climate does not usually change drastically from one year to the next, the model is bound to start off predicting conditions that are close to reality. But that effect quickly wears off as the real climate evolves. If this is the source of the models’ accuracy, that advantage fades quickly after a few years.

How is that model effect accurate in any sense? programming a model to emulate today and yesterday’s weather is not accuracy in any sense. As much as the models backcast weather, their intention is to forecast future trends and the models fail accuracy at their intended function. Trying to declare success through failure by misdirection claiming backcast results are accurate is another CAGW fantasy world view.

◾“Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, says that it could be a decade or more before this research really begins to pay off in terms of predictive power, and even then climate scientists will be limited in what they can say about the future.”

Oh yeah, another misdirection; this time hoping that where temperature trend declines, so must it rise… eventually. When that rise occurs, all CAGW true faithful will jump, shout and sing that their models have successfully forecast the future. Even after decades of failure their omniscient propaganda models will finally ring true; just like a stopped clock, twice a day and just as convincing.
It’s just amazing the intellectual power of these (in)famous climate scientists.

TomR,Worc,MA,USA
July 11, 2013 9:56 am

……..Just checked wiki…… Trenberth is 69 presently and has probably filed all of his retirement paperwork already.

Stuck-Record
July 11, 2013 9:58 am

““Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, says that it could be a decade or more before this research really begins to pay off in terms of predictive power, and even then climate scientists will be limited in what they can say about the future.”
This is one of the most profoundly stupid things I have ever read.
Translation: Our previous and current predictions are wrong. You need to wait ten years to see see that we were right, but don’t count on it.
Awesome. Give that man some more money.

Paul Linsay
July 11, 2013 9:59 am

Berple. Yes, chaotic dynamics limits what can be predicted and the modellers should understand that quite well but somehow don’t. Strangest of all is that the great modelling guru Kevin Trenberth was a Ph.D. Student of Ed Lorenz.