Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I haven’t commented much on my most recents posts, because of the usual reasons: a day job, and the unending lure of doing more research, my true passion. To be precise, recently I’ve been frying my synapses trying to twist my head around the implications of the finding that the global temperature forecasts of the climate models are mechanically and accurately predictable by a one-line equation. It’s a salutary warning: kids, don’t try climate science at home.
Figure 1. What happens when I twist my head too hard around climate models.
Three years ago, inspired by Lucia Liljegren’s ultra-simple climate model that she called “Lumpy”, and with the indispensable assistance of the math-fu of commenters Paul_K and Joe Born, I made what to me was a very surprising discovery. The GISSE climate model could be accurately replicated by a one-line equation. In other words, the global temperature output of the GISSE model is described almost exactly by a lagged linear transformation of the input to the models (the “forcings” in climatespeak, from the sun, volcanoes, CO2 and the like). The correlation between the actual GISSE model results and my emulation of those results is 0.98 … doesn’t get much better than that. Well, actually, you can do better than that, I found you can get 99+% correlation by noting that they’ve somehow decreased the effects of forcing due to volcanoes. But either way, it was to me a very surprising result. I never guessed that the output of the incredibly complex climate models would follow their inputs that slavishly.
Since then, Isaac Held has replicated the result using a third model, the CM2.1 climate model. I have gotten the CM2.1 forcings and data, and replicated his results. The same analysis has also been done on the GDFL model, with the same outcome. And I did the same analysis on the Forster data, which is an average of 19 model forcings and temperature outputs. That makes four individual models plus the average of 19 climate models, and all of the the results have been the same, so the surprising conclusion is inescapable—the climate model global average surface temperature results, individually or en masse, can be replicated with over 99% fidelity by a simple, one-line equation.
However, the result of my most recent “black box” type analysis of the climate models was even more surprising to me, and more far-reaching.
Here’s what happened. I built a spreadsheet, in order to make it simple to pull up various forcing and temperature datasets and calculate their properties. It uses “Solver” to iteratively select the values of tau (the time constant) and lambda (the sensitivity constant) to best fit the predicted outcome. After looking at a number of results, with widely varying sensitivities, I wondered what it was about the two datasets (model forcings, and model predicted temperatures) that determined the resulting sensitivity. I wondered if there were some simple relationship between the climate sensitivity, and the basic statistical properties of the two datasets (trends, standard deviations, ranges, and the like). I looked at the five forcing datasets that I have (GISSE, CCSM3, CM2.1, Forster, and Otto) along with the associated temperature results. To my total surprise, the correlation between the trend ratio (temperature dataset trend divided by forcing dataset trend) and the climate sensitivity (lambda) was 1.00. My jaw dropped. Perfect correlation? Say what? So I graphed the scatterplot.
Figure 2. Scatterplot showing the relationship of lambda and the ratio of the output trend over the input trend. Forster is the Forster 19-model average. Otto is the Forster input data as modified by Otto, including the addition of a 0.3 W/m2 trend over the length of the dataset. Because this analysis only uses radiative forcings and not ocean forcings, lambda is the transient climate response (TCR). If the data included ocean forcings, lambda would be the equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS). Lambda is in degrees per W/m2 of forcing. To convert to degrees per doubling of CO2, multiply lambda by 3.7.
Dang, you don’t see that kind of correlation very often, R^2 = 1.00 to two decimal places … works for me.
Let me repeat the caveat that this is not talking about real world temperatures. This is another “black box” comparison of the model inputs (presumably sort-of-real-world “forcings” from the sun and volcanoes and aerosols and black carbon and the rest) and the model results. I’m trying to understand what the models do, not how they do it.
Now, I don’t have the ocean forcing data that was used by the models. But I do have Levitus ocean heat content data since 1950, poor as it might be. So I added that to each of the forcing datasets, to make new datasets that do include ocean data. As you might imagine, when some of the recent forcing goes into heating the ocean, the trend of the forcing dataset drops … and as we would expect, the trend ratio (and thus the climate sensitivity) increases. This effect is most pronounced where the forcing dataset has a smaller trend (CM2.1) and less visible at the other end of the scale (CCSM3). Figure 3 shows the same five datasets as in Figure 2, plus the same five datasets with the ocean forcings added. Note that when the forcing dataset contains the heat into/out of the ocean, lambda is the equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS), and when the dataset is just radiative forcing alone, lambda is transient climate response. So the blue dots in Figure 3 are ECS, and the red dots are TCR. The average change (ECS/TCR) is 1.25, which fits with the estimate given in the Otto paper of ~ 1.3.
Figure 3. Red dots show the models as in Figure 2. Blue dots show the same models, with the addition of the Levitus heat content data to each forcing dataset. Resulting sensitivities are higher for the equilibrium condition than for the transient condition, as would be expected. Blue dots show equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS), while red dots (as in Fig. 2) show the corresponding transient climate response (TCR).
Finally, I ran the five different forcing datasets, with and without ocean forcing, against three actual temperature datasets—HadCRUT4, BEST, and GISS LOTI. I took the data from all of those, and here are the results from the analysis of those 29 individual runs:
Figure 4. Large red and blue dots are as in Figure 3. The light blue dots are the result of running the forcings and subsets of the forcings, with and without ocean forcing, and with and without volcano forcing, against actual datasets. Error shown is one sigma.
So … my new finding is that the climate sensitivity of the models, both individual models and on average, is equal to the ratio of the trends of the forcing and the resulting temperatures. This is true whether or not the changes in ocean heat content are included in the calculation. It is true for both forcings vs model temperature results, as well as forcings run against actual temperature datasets. It is also true for subsets of the forcing, such as volcanoes alone, or for just GHG gases.
And not only did I find this relationship experimentally, by looking at the results of using the one-line equation on models and model results. I then found that can derive this relationship mathematically from the one-line equation (see Appendix D for details).
This is a clear confirmation of an observation first made by Kiehl in 2007, when he suggested an inverse relationship between forcing and sensitivity.
The question is: if climate models differ by a factor of 2 to 3 in their climate sensitivity, how can they all simulate the global temperature record with a reasonable degree of accuracy. Kerr [2007] and S. E. Schwartz et al. (Quantifying climate change–too rosy a picture?, available [here]) recently pointed out the importance of understanding the answer to this question. Indeed, Kerr [2007] referred to the present work, and the current paper provides the ‘‘widely circulated analysis’’ referred to by Kerr [2007]. This report investigates the most probable explanation for such an agreement. It uses published results from a wide variety of model simulations to understand this apparent paradox between model climate responses for the 20th century, but diverse climate model sensitivity.
However, Kiehl ascribed the variation in sensitivity to a difference in total forcing, rather than to the trend ratio, and as a result his graph of the results is much more scattered.
Figure 5. Kiehl results, comparing climate sensitivity (ECS) and total forcing. Note that unlike Kiehl, my results cover both equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) and transient climate response (TCR).
Anyhow, there’s a bunch more I could write about this finding, but I gotta just get this off my head and get back to my day job. A final comment.
Since I began this investigation, the commenter Paul_K has since written two outstanding posts on the subject over at Lucia’s marvelous blog, The Blackboard (Part 1, Part 2). In those posts, he proves mathematically that given what we know about the equation that replicates the climate models, that we cannot … well, I’ll let him tell it in his own words:
The Question: Can you or can you not estimate Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECS) from 120 years of temperature and OHC data (even) if the forcings are known?
The Answer is: No. You cannot. Not unless other information is used to constrain the estimate.
An important corollary to this is:- The fact that a GCM can match temperature and heat data tells us nothing about the validity of that GCM’s estimate of Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity.
Note that this is not an opinion of Paul_K’s. It is a mathematical result of the fact that even if we use a more complex “two-box” model, we can’t constrain the sensitivity estimates. This is a stunning and largely unappreciated conclusion. The essential problem is that for any given climate model, we have more unknowns than we have fundamental equations to constrain them.
CONCLUSIONS
Well, it was obvious from my earlier work that the models were useless for either hindcasting or forecasting the climate. They function indistinguishably from a simple one-line equation.
On top of that, Paul_K has shown that they can’t tell us anything about the sensitivity, because the equation itself is poorly constrained.
Finally, in this work I’ve shown that the climate sensitivity “lambda” that the models do exhibit, whether it represents equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) or transient climate response (TCR), is nothing but the ratio of the trends of the input and the output. The choice of forcings, models and datasets is quite immaterial. All the models give the same result for lambda, and that result is the ratio of the trends of the forcing and the response. This most recent finding completely explains the inability of the modelers to narrow the range of possible climate sensitivities despite thirty years of modeling.
You can draw your own conclusions from that, I’m sure …
My regards to all,
w.
Appendix A : The One-Line Equation
The equation that Paul_K, Isaac Held, and I have used to replicate the climate models is as follows:
Let me break this into four chunks, separated by the equals sign and the plus signs, and translate each chunk from math into English. Equation 1 means:
This year’s temperature (T1) is equal to
Last years temperature (T0) plus
Climate sensitivity (λ) times this year’s forcing change (∆F1) times (one minus the lag factor) (1-a) plus
Last year’s temperature change (∆T0) times the same lag factor (a)
Or to put it another way, it looks like this:
T1 = <— This year’s temperature [ T1 ] equals
T0 + <— Last year’s temperature [ T0 ] plus
λ ∆F1 (1-a) + <— How much radiative forcing is applied this year [ ∆F1 (1-a) ], times climate sensitivity lambda ( λ ), plus
∆T0 a <— The remainder of the forcing, lagged out over time as specified by the lag factor “a”
The lag factor “a” is a function of the time constant “tau” ( τ ), and is given by
This factor “a” is just a constant number for a given calculation. For example, when the time constant “tau” is four years, the constant “a” is 0.78. Since 1 – a = 0.22, when tau is four years, about 22% of the incoming forcing is added immediately to last years temperature, and rest of the input pulse is expressed over time.
Appendix B: Physical Meaning
So what does all of that mean in the real world? The equation merely reflects that when you apply heat to something big, it takes a while for it to come up to temperature. For example, suppose we have a big brick in a domestic oven at say 200°C. Suppose further that we turn the oven heat up suddenly to 400° C for an hour, and then turn the oven back down to 200°C. What happens to the temperature of the big block of steel?
If we plot temperature against time, we see that initially the block of steel starts to heat fairly rapidly. However as time goes on it heats less and less per unit of time until eventually it reaches 400°C. Figure B2 shows this change of temperature with time, as simulated in my spreadsheet for a climate forcing of plus/minus one watt/square metre. Now, how big is the lag? Well, in part that depends on how big the brick is. The larger the brick, the longer the time lag will be. In the real planet, of course, the ocean plays the part of the brick, soaking up
The basic idea of the one-line equation is the same tired claim of the modelers. This is the claim that the changing temperature of the surface of the planet is linearly dependent on the size of the change in the forcing. I happen to think that this is only generally the rule, and that the temperature is actually set by the exceptions to the rule. The exceptions to this rule are the emergent phenomena of the climate—thunderstorms, El Niño/La Niña effects and the like. But I digress, let’s follow their claim for the sake of argument and see what their models have to say. It turns out that the results of the climate models can be described to 99% accuracy by the setting of two parameters—”tau”, or the time constant, and “lambda”, or the climate sensitivity. Lambda can represent either transient sensitivity, called TCR for “transient climate response”, or equilibrium sensitivity, called ECS for “equilibrium climate sensitivity”.
Figure B2. One-line equation applied to a square-wave pulse of forcing. In this example, the sensitivity “lambda” is set to unity (output amplitude equals the input amplitude), and the time constant “tau” is set at five years.
Note that the lagging does not change the amount of energy in the forcing pulse. It merely lags it, so that it doesn’t appear until a later date.
So that is all the one-line equation is doing. It simply applies the given forcing, using the climate sensitivity to determine the amount of the temperature change, and using the time constant “tau” to determine the lag of the temperature change. That’s it. That’s all.
The difference between ECS (climate sensitivity) and TCR (transient response) is whether slow heating and cooling of the ocean is taken into account in the calculations. If the slow heating and cooling of the ocean is taken into account, then lambda is equilibrium climate sensitivity. If the ocean doesn’t enter into the calculations, if the forcing is only the radiative forcing, then lambda is transient climate response.
Appendix C. The Spreadsheet
In order to be able to easily compare the various forcings and responses, I made myself up an Excel spreadsheet. It has a couple drop-down lists that let me select from various forcing datasets and various response datasets. Then I use the built-in Excel function “Solver” to iteratively calculate the best combination of the two parameters, sensitivity and time constant, so that the result matches the response. This makes it quite simple to experiment with various combinations of forcing and responses. You can see the difference, for example, between the GISS E model with and without volcanoes. It also has a button which automatically stores the current set of results in a dataset which is slowly expanding as I do more experiments.
In a previous post called Retroactive Volcanoes, (link) I had discussed the fact that Otto et al. had smoothed the Forster forcings dataset using a centered three point average. In addition they had added a trend fromthe beginning tothe end of the dataset of 0.3 W per square meter. In that post I had I had said that the effect of that was unknown, although it might be large. My new spreadsheet allows me to actually determine what the effect of that actually is.
It turns out that the effect of those two small changes is to take the indicated climate sensitivity from 2.8 degrees/doubling to 2.3° per doubling.
One of the strangest findings to come out of this spreadsheet was that when the climate models are compared each to their own results, the climate sensitivity is a simple linear function of the ratio of the trends of the forcing and the response. This was true of both the individual models, and the average of the 19 models studied by Forster. The relationship is extremely simple. The climate sensitivity lambda is 1.07 times the ratio of the trends for the models alone, and equal to the trends when compared to all the results. This is true for all of the models without adding in the ocean heat content data, and also all of the models including the ocean heat content data.
In any case I’m going to have to convert all this to the computer language R. Thanks to Stephen McIntyre, I learned the computer language R and have never regretted it. However, I still do much of my initial exploratory forays in Excel. I can make Excel do just about anything, so for quick and dirty analyses like the results above I use Excel.
So as an invitation to people to continue and expand this analysis, my spreadsheet is available here. Note that it contains a macro to record the data from a given analysis. At present it contains the following data sets:
IMPULSES
Pinatubo in 1900
Step Change
Pulse
FORCINGS
Forster No Volcano
Forster N/V-Ocean
Otto Forcing
Otto-Ocean ∆
Levitus watts Ocean Heat Content ∆
GISS Forcing
GISS-Ocean ∆
Forster Forcing
Forster-Ocean ∆
DVIS
CM2.1 Forcing
CM2.1-Ocean ∆
GISS No Volcano
GISS GHGs
GISS Ozone
GISS Strat_H20
GISS Solar
GISS Landuse
GISS Snow Albedo
GISS Volcano
GISS Black Carb
GISS Refl Aer
GISS Aer Indir Eff
RESPONSES
CCSM3 Model Temp
CM2.1 Model Temp
GISSE ModelE Temp
BEST Temp
Forster Model Temps
Forster Model Temps No Volc
Flat
GISS Temp
HadCRUT4
You can insert your own data as well or makeup combinations of any of the forcings. I’ve included a variety of forcings and responses. This one-line equation model has forcing datasets, subsets of those such as volcanoes only or aerosols only, and the simple impulses such as a square step.
Now, while this spreadsheet is by no means user-friendly, I’ve tried to make it at least not user-aggressive.
Appendix D: The Mathematical Derivation of the Relationship between Climate Sensitivity and the Trend Ratio.
I have stated that the relationship where climate sensitivity is equal to the ratio between trends of the forcing and response datasets.
We start with the one-line equation:
Let us consider the situation of a linear trend in the forcing, where the forcing is ramped up by a certain amount every year. Here are lagged results from that kind of forcing.
Figure B1. A steady increase in forcing over time (red line), along with the situation with the time constant (tau) equal to zero, and also a time constant of 20 years. The residual is offset -0.6 degrees for clarity.
Note that the only difference that tau (the lag time constant) makes is how long it takes to come to equilibrium. After that the results stabilize, with the same change each year in both the forcing and the temperature (∆F and ∆T). So let’s consider that equilibrium situation.
Subtracting T0 from both sides gives
Now, T1 minus T0 is simply ∆T1. But since at equilibrium all the annual temperature changes are the same, ∆T1 = ∆T0 = ∆T, and the same is true for the forcing. So equation 2 simplifies to
Dividing by ∆F gives us
Collecting terms, we get
And dividing through by (1-a) yields
Now, out in the equilibrium area on the right side of Figure B1, ∆T/∆F is the actual trend ratio. So we have shown that at equilibrium
But if we include the entire dataset, you’ll see from Figure B1 that the measured trend will be slightly less than the trend at equilibrium.
And as a result, we would expect to find that lambda is slightly larger than the actual trend ratio. And indeed, this is what we found for the models when compared to their own results, lambda = 1.07 times the trend ratio.
When the forcings are run against real datasets, however, it appears that the greater variability of the actual temperature datasets averages out the small effect of tau on the results, and on average we end up with the situation shown in Figure 4 above, where lambda is experimentally determined to be equal to the trend ratio.
Appendix E: The Underlying Math
The best explanation of the derivation of the math used in the spreadsheet is an appendix to Paul_K’s post here. Paul has contributed hugely to my analysis by correcting my mistakes as I revealed them, and has my great thanks.
Climate Modeling – Abstracting the Input Signal by Paul_K
I will start with the (linear) feedback equation applied to a single capacity system—essentially the mixed layer plus fast-connected capacity:
C dT/dt = F(t) – λ *T Equ. A1
Where:-
C is the heat capacity of the mixed layer plus fast-connected capacity (Watt-years.m-2.degK-1)
T is the change in temperature from time zero (degrees K)
T(k) is the change in temperature from time zero to the end of the kth year
t is time (years)
F(t) is the cumulative radiative and non-radiative flux “forcing” applied to the single capacity system (Watts.m-2)
λ is the first order feedback parameter (Watts.m-2.deg K-1)
We can solve Equ A1 using superposition. I am going to use timesteps of one year.
Let the forcing increment applicable to the jth year be defined as fj. We can therefore write
F(t=k ) = Fk = Σ fj for j = 1 to k Equ. A2
The temperature contribution from the forcing increment fj at the end of the kth
year is given by
ΔTj(t=k) = fj(1 – exp(-(k+1-j)/τ))/λ Equ.A3
where τ is set equal to C/λ .
By superposition, the total temperature change at time t=k is given by the summation of all such forcing increments. Thus
T(t=k) = Σ fj * (1 – exp(-(k+1-j)/τ))/ λ for j = 1 to k Equ.A4
Similarly, the total temperature change at time t= k-1 is given by
T(t=k-1) = Σ fj (1 – exp(-(k-j)/τ))/ λ for j = 1 to k-1 Equ.A5
Subtracting Equ. A4 from Equ. A5 we obtain:
T(k) – T(k-1) = fk*[1-exp(-1/τ)]/λ + ( [1 – exp(-1/τ)]/λ ) (Σfj*exp(-(k-j)/τ) for j = 1 to k-1) …Equ.A6
We note from Equ.A5 that
(Σfj*exp(-(k-j)/τ)/λ for j = 1 to k-1) = ( Σ(fj/λ ) for j = 1 to k-1) – T(k-1)
Making this substitution, Equ.A6 then becomes:
T(k) – T(k-1) = fk*[1-exp(-1/τ)]/λ + [1 – exp(-1/τ)]*[( Σ(fj/λ ) for j = 1 to k-1) – T(k-1)] …Equ.A7
If we now set α = 1-exp(-1/τ) and make use of Equ.A2, we can rewrite Equ A7 in the following simple form:
T(k) – T(k-1) = Fkα /λ – α * T(k-1) Equ.A8
Equ.A8 can be used for prediction of temperature from a known cumulative forcing series, or can be readily used to determine the cumulative forcing series from a known temperature dataset. From the cumulative forcing series, it is a trivial step to abstract the annual incremental forcing data by difference.
For the values of α and λ, I am going to use values which are conditioned to the same response sensitivity of temperature to flux changes as the GISS-ER Global Circulation Model (GCM).
These values are:-
α = 0.279563
λ = 2.94775
Shown below is a plot confirming that Equ. A8 with these values of alpha and lamda can reproduce the GISS-ER model results with good accuracy. The correlation is >0.99.

This same governing equation has been applied to at least two other GCMs ( CCSM3 and GFDL ) and, with similar parameter values, works equally well to emulate those model results. While changing the parameter values modifies slightly the values of the fluxes calculated from temperature , it does not significantly change the structural form of the input signal, and nor can it change the primary conclusion of this article, which is that the AGW signal cannot be reliably extracted from the temperature series.
Equally, substituting a more generalised non-linear form for Equ A1 does not change the results at all, provided that the parameters chosen for the non-linear form are selected to show the same sensitivity over the actual observed temperature range. (See here for proof.)





Sorry. That should be twice for any given point.
It’s why I suspect the satellite data as much as the land data.
Dave.
OldWeirdHarold says 4:19 pm
Commodore 64! Boy I’m sure glad I saved mine -I can be a climate scientist too!
But Willis, I thought the Lambada trend died out in the 1990s.
Nick Stokes says:
June 3, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Nick, I suggest you try it with a real dataset. Take the HadCRUT dataset, see what you get … I know the equation I gave above is correct. How? I tested it against real data.
w.
Greg Goodman says:
June 3, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Very nicely done, my friend, very nice indeed.
w.
Willis Eschenbach says:
June 3, 2013 at 5:03 pm
So if you (or anyone else) thinks I “re-invented” that idea
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What seems obvious after the fact is never quite so obvious before. How many high school physics students looking at E=mc^2 see the obvious, and wonder what the big deal was all about – while secretly wondering what happened to the 1/2?
Your black box model is potentially a huge step forward in examining the math underlying the climate models. Something that has been largely overlooked and excused due to the costs involved. An interesting result might be a graph of the solution space. Maybe it is not as well behaved as climate science would like to believe.
Thanks, I thought you’d like it 😉
Willis,
“Take the HadCRUT dataset, see what you get … I know the equation I gave above is correct. How? I tested it against real data.”
The correctness isn’t an issue; I’m just showing the simple calculus which makes it happen. Real data will be noisier, because it is, and because your model points represent various kinds of averages across model runs.
Greg Goodman says:
June 3, 2013 at 5:40 pm
We no longer need to argue about what value of CS is statistically robust or whatever, because it does not exist.
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If the models are correct, that can be the only conclusion that is valid. If two correct models with different estimates of CS both hind-cast temperatures, that can only mean that CS has no effect on temperature. In other words, CS = 0.
Willis Eschenbach: In Figure B1, both the forcing and the temperature are increasing at a steady rate. That’s the situation shown in that Figure, regardless of what you call it.
Oh. Both forcing and temperature are increasing linearly with time. If that’s the restriction you are imposing, then dT/dF = (dT/dt)/(dF/dT) is a constant. As everyone keeps reminding everyone else, that may be an interesting fact about all of the models, but it sure does not have anything to do with the climate.
Since CO2 has increased approximately linearly, and the forcing is proportional to the log of the concentration, in the models, it isn’t too far off to write dF/dt is constant.(?) In that case, you have shown that, despite their complexity, all the models essentially feed the change in forcing through linearly to get the change in temperature: dT/dt = (dT/dF)(dF/dt); if any 2 of those ratios are assumed constant, then the third is constant. the models assume dT/dF is constant (don’t they?) and you assume dT/dt is constant, with both assuming dF/dt is constant.
Willis, I suggest you call your one-line climate model equation the Eschenbach Principle.
It will make it a lot easier when telling Warmistas they’ve been snookered. Besides, it has a special, resonating “ring” to it.
I appreciate your work, BTW.
That’s… not surprising. In fact, it’s entirely expected – that temperatures will be some function of forcings and sensitivity.
Trend T = F(trend forcings * climate sensitivity) – F( ) being a one or two box lagged function.
The constraint is the certainties on the forcings; And that is entirely outside the models – it’s a set of separate measurements. If the forcing are estimated low, the computed sensitivity will be estimated high, if the forcings are estimated high, the computed sensitivity will be estimated low. Quite frankly, I would consider the linear trend relationship to be an indication that the models agree on internal dynamics – and that given similar forcings they will produce similar outputs.
I would consider your results to be a support of these models, not a criticism.
@ur momisugly Willis :
Great job Willis. Thanks for the fine detail.
@ur momisugly Robert of Texas says on June 3, 2013 at 4:44 pm :
“… – 99% of the result could be reproduced by a very simple one line equation. What I learned is that it is easy to get caught up in the complexity of modeling without realizing how tiny an impact most of it has.”
Ah, complexity. From a fellow programmer of complex relations what you have said is so very true, have had that made apparent so many times… so tending to the raw simple physics as much as possible is best for scale itself matters little when looking at the entire climate system over long time periods, it all ends up coming back to the tried and true basic physics equations. This is where iterating models can literally create the expectations no matter what they may be since tune-able assumptions are involved.
As Roy Spencer seemed to say above, with albedo estimates floating somewhere between 29% and 31% (implying a temperature range of about ±3°C), I’ve seen them all used, it all simply depends on the amount of inbound solar energy getting in and that is the one of the parameters we really cannot accurately measure globally, bummer.
Yes, Grandkids- I was there watching them tear it all down in real time. They were giants in those days.
Nick Stokes says:
June 3, 2013 at 6:23 pm
“Racehorse” Nick Stokes at his finest, he’s never been caught admitting he was wrong … actually, Nick, correctness is THE issue, testing your claim against the data is the way to determine it, and your claim is simply not correct. Except in the special steady-state circumstance I outlined in my explanation, the least squares trend of a dataset is not dT/dt, nor is the trend ratio dT/dF.
I know because, as you might imagine, that’s one of the variables I tested when looking for the significant variable (which turned out to be the trend ratio), and guess what?
The correlation of dT/dF with lambda (and thus with the trend ratio) is quite poor, with an r^2 of only 0.65 compared with 1.00 for the trend ratio, and r^2 for a number of other variables above 0.8 … I checked it because I thought it might actually correlate to either tau or lambda, but there’s lot’s of things that correlate better with lambda, and no single variable that I’ve found correlates with tau … although I’m still looking.
w.
PS—The “Racehorse” is for Racehorse Haynes, a flamboyant trial lawyer who never admitted anything. Here’s a sample:
Greg Goodman, you combine NH and SH extra-tropics SSTs in your graph, and by doing so lose any seasonal signal that might exist.
I notice that a pronounced seasonal divergence (increasing summer anomalies, decreasing winter anomalies) has developed in the N Atlantic ex-tropical SST anomalies from around 1998. You see a similar but less clear seasonal divergence in Arctic sea ice and even to a limited extent in the UAH tropo temps. I am pretty sure this is cloud related, but doing your analysis for each hemisphere ex-tropics SSTs separately will tell you if there is a seasonal effect from volcanoes.
regards
Willis,
“The correlation of dT/dF with lambda (and thus with the trend ratio) is quite poor, with an r^2 of only 0.65 compared with 1.00 for the trend ratio”
Details, please. First, what data are you using. On one hand you have model ensemble averages – in the case of Otto and Forster at least, large ensembles. On the other side, HADCRUT4? Just one?
You’ve correlated dT/dF with lambda? But you said dT/dF is not the trend ratio. How did you work it out?
But you’ve said: “your claim is simply not correct”. My claim is simply that trends are approximations to derivatives. Strictly, the central derivative. I don’t think that is controversial. Sometimes thinking of trend as a derivative makes more sense, sometimes less. It depends on the noise above other things.
With your model example, you have aimed for a situation where regarding trends as derivatives works quite well. You have used ensembles to reduce noise. And then the simple calculus rule follows – dT/dF=(dT/dt)/(dF/dt). Is that what you claim is not correct? It’s what determines your result.
In other situations, such as where you have single instances of noisy data, the calculus rule won’t work so well.
[snip – more Slayers junk science from the banned DOUG COTTON who thinks his opinion is SO IMPORTANT he has to keep making up fake names to get it across -Anthony]
That Kiehl graph centers on the IPCC’s AR4predicted range for climate sensitivity:
k = +1.5 to +4.5 K/doubling of CO2.
That is not science. It is not even “Curve Fitting”. It is “Guesswork” at best.
Perhaps this is as good a time as any to pose a question about the range of IPCC-approved climate models & how the ensemble of models relates to Willis’ results.
I recall seeing spaghetti graphs of projected T vs t for the numerous models included in the IPCC composite. I recall something like 39 different models being included, and I believe the projections were used in the AR4 report (circa 2004). Most of the models projected Ts well above the observed T in the intervening years, but 2 or 3 of the projections were reasonably close to the actually observed global Ts.
Can anyone explain what accounts for the difference between the small number of reasonable projections and the vast majority of failed projections? I get the idea that all of the models are basically similar in approach and assumptions. So why are some better than others? Do they embody different assumptions in their method of calculation, or different input values? Are these Monte Carlo calculations which would be expected to produce different values merely by chance? And do the differences between more correct and less correct models permit us to conclude anything about climate sensitivity?
With respect to Willis’s results, he seems to have used composite model values in his calculation. Would using the results for individual models – in particular the more accurate models- produce a different result?
fred burple: “If the models are correct, that can be the only conclusion that is valid.”
No, fred, I did not say CS=0 , I said CS does not exist. The very concept of CS is feature of a linear model. What the volcano plots show is not a linear model with a vanishingly small CS, it is a totally non linear negative feedback response that fully corrects all aspects of the change in radiative forcing due to the eruptions in the tropics and fully restores temperature in temperate zones.
The “If the models are correct” condition does not even come into , they are wrong and fundamentally so , it’s not just a question of tweaking the numbers, the behaviour is totally wrong.
Matthew R Marler says:
June 3, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Matt, that’s not an “interesting fact about all the models”. Figure B1 is just a theoretical situation I showed to clarify the math, nothing to do with the models directly other than it uses the one-line equation. And none of this has anything to do with the climate.
w.
KR says:
June 3, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Everyone’s suddenly a genius now, after the fact? As I said before, if it’s so darn “entirely expected”, how come no one noticed it? Show me someone somewhere who even claimed that the ECS of the climate models individually and en masse is equal to the trend of the input and output dataset, much less measured it experimentally and explained it mathematically.
I certainly don’t recall you demonstrating it both experimentally and mathematically, for example … but then you never mentioned it at all, as far as I know. Nor has anyone else, to my knowledge. Kiehl attempted to answer the puzzle, and came close, but failed.
So who are you thinking of when you claim this is so blindingly obvious? Who has pointed this out before me?
It is neither expected nor is it intuitively obvious.
w.
Nick Stokes says:
June 3, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Stuff your “details, please”. If you think I’m wrong, demonstrate it. Nothing else will do at this point, I’ve had it with your endless carping and caviling about meaningless points, and your claim that “correctness is not an issue” is just “Racehorse” nonsense. Your original claim was wrong. I would advise you to say “Admit it and move on”, but I know that’s not in your lexicon.
In any case, download the spreadsheet and do the calculations yourself, or go get your own data and do it. Because unless and until you have the stones to measure your ideas against the real world, and let us know what the outcome is, I’m not going to play your game, Nick. You’ve worn out your welcome with me.
I’ve provided theory, data, and spreadsheet.
It’s your turn.
w.
PS—The data I used is the same 29 different combinations of forcings and responses I used in Figure 4 above. As I said clearly, I did the analysis as part of looking for what went into Figure 4 … so what would you imagine I would use? This is just more unseemly wriggling on your part.
Willis writes of the equation (and by implication of the GCMs) “So what does all of that mean in the real world? The equation merely reflects that when you apply heat to something big, it takes a while for it to come up to temperature.”
I think it also means that the GCMs dont (and probably cant) model atmospheric/ocean process changes. I think its fairly clear that in 1998 or thereabouts something in the climate changed such that we’ve moved into a period of minimal warming. A tipping point if you like.