Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Well, this has been a circuitous journey. I started out to research volcanoes. First I got distracted by the question of model sensitivity, as I described in Model Climate Sensitivity Calculated Directly From Model Results. Then I was diverted by the question of smoothing of the Otto data, as I reported on in Volcanoes: Active, Inactive, and Retroactive. It’s like Mae West said, “I started out as Snow White … but then I drifted.” The good news is that in the process, I gained the understanding needed to direct my volcano research. Read the first of the links if you haven’t, it’s a prelude to this post.
Unlike the situation with say greenhouse gases, we actually can measure how much sunlight is lost when a volcano erupts. The volcano puts reflective sulfur dioxide into the air, reducing the sunlight hitting the ground. We’ve measured that reduction from a variety of volcanoes. So we have a reasonably good idea of the actual change in forcing. We can calculate the global reduction in sunlight from the actual observations … but unfortunately, despite the huge reductions in global forcing that volcanoes cause, the global temperature has steadfastly refused to cooperate. The temperature hasn’t changed much even with the largest of modern volcanoes.
Otto et al. used the HadCRUT4 dataset in their study, the latest incarnation from the Hadley Centre and the Climate Research Unit (CRU). So I’ll use the same data to demonstrate how the volcanoes falsify the climate models.

Figure 1. Monthly HadCRUT4 global surface air temperatures. The six largest modern volcanoes are indicated by the red dots.
This post will be in four parts: theory, investigation, conclusions, and a testable prediction.
THEORY
Volcanoes are often touted as a validation of the climate models. However, in my opinion they are quite the opposite—the response of the climate to volcanoes clearly demonstrates that the models are on the wrong path. As you may know, I’m neither a skeptic nor a global warming supporter. I am a climate heretic. The current climate paradigm says that the surface air temperature is a linear function of the “forcing”, which is the change in downwelling radiant energy at the top of the atmosphere . In other words, the current belief is that the climate can be modeled as a simple system, whose outputs (global average air temperatures) are a linear function of the SUM of all the various forcings from greenhouse gas changes, volcanoes, solar changes, aerosol changes, and the like. According to the theory, you simply take the total of all of the forcings, apply the magic formula, and your model predicts the future. Their canonical equation is:
Change in Temperature (∆T) = Change in Forcing (∆F) times Climate Sensitivity
In lieu of a more colorful term, let me say that’s highly unlikely. In my experience, complex natural systems are rarely that simply coupled from input to output. I say that after an eruption, the climate system actively responds to reductions in the incoming sunlight by altering various parts of the climate system to increase the amount of heat absorbed by other means. This rapidly brings the system back into equilibrium.
The climate modelers are right that volcanic eruptions form excellent natural experiments in how the climate system responds to the reduction in incoming sunlight. The current paradigm says that after a volcano, the temperature should vary proportionally to the forcing. I say that the temperature is regulated, not by the forcing, but by a host of overlapping natural emergent temperature control mechanisms, e.g. thunderstorms, the El Nino, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the timing of the onset of tropical clouds, and others. Changes in these and other natural regulatory phenomena quickly oppose any unusual rise or fall in temperature, and they work together to maintain the temperature very stably regardless of the differences in forcing.
So with the volcanoes, we can actually measure the changes in temperature. That will allow us to see which claim is correct—does the temperature really follow the forcings, or are there natural governing mechanisms that quickly act to bring temperatures back to normal after disturbances?
INVESTIGATION
In order to see the effects of the volcanoes, we can “stack” them. This means aligning the records of the time around the volcano so the eruptions occur at the same time in the stack. Then you express the variations as the anomaly around the temperature of the month of the eruption. It’s easier to see than describe, so Figure 2 shows the results.

Figure 2. Stacked records of the six major volcanoes. Individual records show from three years before to five years after each eruption. The anomalies are expressed as variations around the temperature of the month of the eruption. The black heavy line shows the average of the data. Black vertical lines show the standard error of the average.
The black line is the average of the stacked records, month by month. Is there a signal there? Well, there is a temperature drop starting about six months after the eruptions, with a maximum of a tenth of a degree. However, El Chichon is clearly an outlier in this regard. Without El Chichon, the signal gets about 50% stronger.

Figure 3. As in Figure 3, omitting the record for El Chichon.
Since I’m looking for the common response, and digging to find the signal, I will leave out El Chichón as an outlier.
But note the size of the temperature response. Even leaving out El Chichon, this is so small that it is not at all clear if the effect shown is even real. I do think it is real, just small, but in either case it’s a very wimpy response.
To properly judge the response, however, we need to compare it to the expected response under various scenarios. Figure 3 shows the same records, with the addition of the results from the average models from the Forster study, the results that the models were calculated to have on average, and the results if we assume a climate sensitivity of 3.0 W/m2 per doubling of CO2. Note that in all cases I’m referring the equilibrium climate sensitivity, not the transient climate response, which is smaller. I have used the lagged linear equation developed in my study of the Forster data (first cite above) to show the theoretical picture, as well as the model results.

Figure 4. Black line shows the average of the monthly Hadcrut temperatures. Blue line shows the average of the modeled annual temperatures from the 15 climate models in the Forster paper, as discussed here. The red line shows what the models would have shown if their sensitivity were 2.4°C per doubling of CO2, the value calculated from the Forster model results. Finally, the orange line shows the theoretical results for a sensitivity of 3°C per doubling. In the case of the red and orange lines, the time constant of the Forster models (2.9 years) was used with the specified sensitivity. Tau ( τ ) is the time constant. The sensitivity is the equilibrium climate sensitivity of the model, calculated at 1.3 times the transient climate response.
The theoretical responses are the result of running the lagged linear equation on just the volcanic forcings alone. This shows what the temperature change from those volcanic forcings will be for climate models using those values for the sensitivity (lambda) and the time constant (tau).
Now here, we see some very interesting things. First we have the model results in blue, which are the average of the fifteen Forster models’ output. The models get the first year about right. But after that, in the model and theoretical output, the temperature decreases until it bottoms out between two and three years after the eruption. Back in the real world, by contrast, the average observations bottom out by about one year, and have returned to above pre-eruption values within a year and a half. This is a very important finding. Notice that the models do well for the first year regardless of sensitivity. But after that, the natural restorative mechanisms take over and rapidly return the temperature to the pre-eruption values. The models are incapable of making that quick a turn, so their modeled temperatures continue falling.
Not only do the actual temperatures return to the pre-eruption value, but they rise above it before finally returning to the that temperature. This is the expected response from a governed, lagged system. In order to keep a lagged system in balance, if the system goes below the target value for a while, it need to go above that value for a while to restore the lost energy and get the system back where it started. I’ll return to this topic later in the post. This is an essential distinction between governors and feedbacks. Notice that once disturbed, the models will never return to the starting temperature. The best they can do is approach it asymptotically. The natural system, because it is governed, swings back shortly after the eruption and shoots above the starting temperature. See my post Overshoot and Undershoot for an earlier analysis and discussion of governors and how they work, and the expected shape of the signal.
The problem is that if you want to represent the volcanoes accurately, you need a tiny time constant and an equally tiny sensitivity. As you can see, the actual temperature response was both much smaller and much quicker than the model results.
This, of course, is the dilemma that the modelers have been trying to work around for years. If they set the sensitivity of their models high enough to show the (artificially augmented) CO2 signal, the post-eruption cooling comes out way, way too big. If they cut the sensitivity way, way down to 0.8° per doubling of CO2 … then the CO2 signal is trivially small.
Now, Figure 4 doesn’t look like it shows a whole lot of difference, particularly between the model results (blue line) and the observations. After all, they come back close to the observations after five years or so.
What can’t be seen in this type of analysis is the effect that the different results have on the total system energy. As I mentioned above, getting back to the same temperature isn’t enough. You need to restore the lost energy to the system as well. Here’s an example. Some varieties of plants need a certain amount of total heat over the growing season in order to mature. If you have ten days of cool weather, your garden doesn’t recover just because the temperature is now back to what it was before. The garden is still behind in the total heat it needs, the total energy added to the garden this season is lower than it would have been otherwise.
So after ten days of extra cool weather, your garden needs ten days of warm weather to catch up. Or perhaps five days of much warmer weather. The point is that it’s not enough to return the temperature to its previous value. We also need to return the total system energy to its previous value.
To measure this variation, we use “degree-days”. A degree-day is a day which is one degree above from some reference temperature. Ten degree-days could be five days that are two degrees warmer than usual, or two days that are five degrees warmer than usual. As in the example with the garden, degree-days accumulate over time, with warmer (positive) degree days offsetting cooler (negative) degree days. For the climate, the corresponding unit is a degree-month or a degree year. To convert monthly temperature into degree-months, you simply add each months temperature difference from the reference to the previous total. The record of degree-months, in other word, is simply the cumulative sum of the temperature differences from the date of the eruption.
What does such a chart measure? It measures how far the system is out of energetic balance. Obviously, after a volcano the system loses heat. The interesting thing is what happens after that, how far out of balance the system goes, and how quickly it returns. I’ve left the individual volcanoes off of this graph, and only shown the stack averages.

Figure 5. Cumulative record of degree-months of energy loss and recovery after the eruptions. Circles show the net energy loss in degree-months four years after the eruption.
Remember that I mentioned above that in a governed system, the overshoot above the original temperature is necessary to return the system to its previous condition. This overshoot is shown in Figure 3, where after the eruptions the temperatures rise above their original values. The observations show that the earth returned to its original temperature after 18 months. The results in Figure 5 show that it took a mere 48 months to regain the lost energy entirely. Figure 5 shows that the actual system quickly returned to the original energy condition, no harm no foul.
By contrast, the models take much larger swings in energy. After four years, the imbalance in the system is still increasing.
Now folks, look at the difference between what the actual system does (black line) and what happens when we model it with the IPCC sensitivity of 3° per doubling, or even the model results … I’m sorry, but the idea that you can model volcanic eruptions using the current paradigm simply doesn’t work. In a sane world, Figure 5 should sink the models without a trace, they are so very far from the reality.
We can calculate the average monthly energy shortage in the swing away from and back to the zero line by dividing the area under the curve by the time interval. Nature doesn’t like big swings, this kind of response that minimizes the disturbance is common in nature. Here are those results, the average energy deficit the system was running over the first four years.

Figure 6. Average energy deficit over the first four years after the eruption.
In this case, the models are showing an average energy deficit that is ten times that of the observations … and remember, at four years the actual climate is back to pre-eruption conditions, but the models’ deficit is still increasing, and will do so for several more years before starting back towards the line.
CONCLUSIONS
So what can we conclude from these surprising results?
The first and most important conclusion is that the climate doesn’t work the way that the climate paradigm states— it is clearly not a linear response to forcing. If it were linear, the results would look like the models. But the models are totally unable to replicate the rapid response to the volcanic forcings, which return to pre-existing temperatures in 18 months and restore the energy balance in 48 months. The models are not even close. Even with ridiculously small time constant and sensitivity, you can’t do it. The shape of the response is wrong.
I hold that this is because the models do not contain the natural emergent temperature-controlling phenomena that act in concert to return the system to the pre-catastrophic condition as soon as possible.
The second conclusion is that the observations clearly show the governed nature of the system. The swing of temperatures after the eruptions and the quick return of both temperature and energy levels to pre-eruption conditions shows the classic damped oscillations of a governed system. None of the models were even close to being able to do what the natural system does—shake off disturbances and return to pre-existing conditions in a very short time.
Third conclusion is that the existing paradigm, that the surface air temperature is a linear function of the forcing, is untenable. The volcanoes show that quite clearly.
There’s probably more, but that will do for the present.
TESTABLE PREDICTION
Now, we know that the drops in forcing from volcanoes are real, we’ve measured them. And we know that the changes in global temperature after eruptions are way tiny, a tenth of a degree or so. I say this is a result of the action of climate phenomena that oppose the cooling.
A corollary of this hypothesis is that although the signal may not be very detectable in the global temperature itself, for that very reason it should be detectable in the action of whatever phenomena act to oppose the volcanic cooling.
So that was my prediction, that if my theory were correct, we should see a volcanic signal in some other part of the climate system involved in governing the temperature. My first thought in this regard, of course, was the El Nino/La Nina pump that moves warm Pacific water from the tropics to the poles.
The snag with that one, of course, is that the usual indicator for El Nino is the temperature of a patch of tropical Pacific ocean called the Nino3.4 area. And unfortunately, good records of those temperatures go back to about the 1950s, which doesn’t cover three of the volcanoes.
A second option, then, was the SOI index, the Southern Oscillation Index. This is a very long-term index that measures the difference in the barometric pressures of Tahiti, and Darwin, Australia. It turns out that it is a passable proxy for the El Nino, but it’s a much broader index of Pacific-wide cycles. However, it has one huge advantage. Because it is based on pressure, it is not subject to the vagaries of thermometers. A barometer doesn’t care if you are indoors or out, or if the measurement location moves 50 feet. In addition, the instrumentation is very stable and accurate, and the records have been well maintained for a long time. So unlike temperature-based indices, the 1880 data is as accurate and valid as today’s data. This is a huge advantage … but it doesn’t capture the El Ninos all that well, which is why we use the Nino3.4 Index.
Fortunately, there’s a middle ground. This is the BEST index, which stands for the Bivariate ENSO Timeseries. It uses an average of the SOI and the Nino 3.4 data. Since the SOI has excellent data from start to finish, it kind of keeps the Nino3.4 data in line. This is important because the early Nino3.4 numbers are from reanalysis models in varying degrees at various times, so the SOI minimizes that inaccuracy and drift. Not the best, but the best we’ve got, I guess.
Once again, I wanted to look at the cumulative degree-months after the eruptions. If my theory were correct, I should see an increase in the heat contained in the Pacific Ocean after the eruptions. Figure 6, almost the last figure in this long odyssey, shows those results.

Figure 6. Cumulative index-months of the BEST index. Positive values indicate warmer conditions. Krakatoa is an obvious outlier, likely because it is way back at the start of the BEST data where the reconstruction contains drifts.
Although we only find a very small signal in the global temperatures, looking where the countervailing phenomena are reacting to neutralize the volcanic cooling shows a clearer signal of the volcanic forcing … in the form of the response that keeps the temperature from changing very much. When the reduction in sunlight occurs following an eruption, the Pacific starts storing up more energy.
And how does it do that? One major way is by changing the onset time of the tropical clouds. In the morning the tropics is clear, with clouds forming just before noon. But when it is cool, the clouds don’t form until later. This allows more heat to penetrate the ocean, increasing the heat content. A shift of an hour in the onset time of the tropical clouds can mean a difference of 500 watt-hours/m2, which averages over 24 hours to be about 20 W/m2 continuous … and that’s a lot of energy.
One crazy thing is that the system is almost invisible. I mean, who’s going to notice if on average the clouds are forming up a half hour earlier? Yet that can make a change of 10 W/m2 on a 24-hour basis in the energy reaching the surface, adds up to a lot of watt-hours …
So that’s it, that’s the whole story. Let me highlight the main points.
• Volcanic eruptions cause a large, measurable drop in the amount of solar energy entering the planet.
• Under the current climate paradigm that temperature is a slave to forcing with a climate sensitivity of 3 degrees per doubling of CO2, these should cause large, lingering swings in the planet’s temperature.
• Despite the significant size of these drops in forcing, we see only a tiny resulting signal in the global temperature.
• This gives us two stark choices.
A. Either the climate sensitivity is around half a degree per doubling of CO2, and the time constant is under a year, or
B. The current paradigm of climate sensitivity is wrong and forcings don’t determine surface temperature.
Based on the actual observations, I hold for the latter.
• The form (a damped oscillation) and speed of the climate’s response to eruptive forcing shows the action of a powerful natural governing system which regulates planetary temperatures.
• This system restores both the temperature and the energy content of the system to pre-existing conditions in a remarkably short time.
Now, as I said, I started out to do this volcano research and have been diverted into two other posts. I can’t tell you the hours I’ve spent thinking about and exploring and working over this analysis, or how overjoyed I am that it’s done. I don’t have a local church door to nail this thesis to, so I’ll nail it up on WUWT typos and all and go to bed. I think it is the most compelling evidence I’ve found to date that the basic climate paradigm of temperatures slavishly following the forcings is a huge misunderstanding at the core of current climate science … but I’m biased in the matter.
As always, with best wishes,
w.
APPENDICES
UNITS
Climate sensitivity is measured in one of two units. One is the increase in temperature per watt/m2 of additional forcing.
The other is the increase in temperature from a doubling of CO2. The doubling of CO2 is said to increase the forcing by 3.7 watts. So a sensitivity of say 2°C per doubling of CO2 converts to 2/3.7 = 0.54 °C per W/m2. Using the “per doubling” units doesn’t mean that the CO2 is going to double … it’s just a unit.
DATA
Let’s see, what did I use … OK, I just collated the Otto and Forster net radiative forcings, the Forster 15 model average temperature outputs, the GISS forcing data, and the dates of the eruptions into a single small spreadsheet, under a hundred k of data, it’s here.
METHOD
The method depends on the fact that I can closely emulate the output of either individual climate models, or the average output of the unruly mobs of models called “ensembles” using a simple lagged linear equation. The equation has two adjustable parameters, the time constant “tau” and the climate sensitivity lambda. Note that this is the transient sensitivity and not the equilibrium sensitivity. As you might imagine, because the earth takes time to warm, the short-term change in temperature is smaller than the final equilibrium change. The ratio between the two is fairly stable over time, at about 1.3 or so. I’ve used 1.3 in this paper, the exact value is not critical.
Using this lagged linear equation, then, I simply put in the list of forcings over time, and out comes the temperature predictions of the models. Here’s an example of this method used on the GISS volcanic forcing data:

Lambda (a measure of sensitivity) controls the amplitude, while tau controls how much the data gets “smeared” to the right on the graph. And sad to say, you can emulate any climate model, or the average of a bunch of models, with just that … see my previous posts referenced above for details about the method.
INDIVIDUAL RECORDS
Here are the most recent six eruptions, eruptions that caused large reductions in the amount of sunlight reaching the earth, with the date of the eruptions shown in red.






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John B says:
Margaret Hardman
You demonstrate a considerable lack of humility for someone who has shown little evidence of understanding, or even reading, the recent posts by Mr Eschenbach. While that is obviously your prerogative on a site where comments are very largely unmoderated (unlike the warmist sites) I and I’m sure many others would have much more respect for your position if you actually did the science and post your results in the comments section so we can all understand what it is you are saying. I’m sure valid results will be welcomed, so let’s all see how good you really are.
Repeated for effect.
And climatereason says:
Margaret Hardman is …Margaret Hardman of Leeds University.
One quality most university employees share is being insufferable. Margaret passes that test with flying colors. But I suppose she has to live with her fellow promoters of catastrophic AGW, so maybe she feels she has no choice. Witness what happened to Judith Curry when she actually gave an opinion that deviated slightly from the “evil carbon” narrative: ‘Heretic! Apostate! Burn the witch!’ It takes someone with real character to disagree with the reigning paradigm, no matter how much it has been deconstructed — and in this case, by the planet itself.
It is sad to see yet another university lemming march in lock-step with the prevailing egghead narrative. At what point did theese people stop thinking for themselves? Why have tenure, if they’re going to always be in agreement?
Margaret Hardman says:
May 25, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Margaret, you started out with a patronizing, unpleasant ad hominem attack on me. I was not the only one who found it patronizing. So I thought I’d see how you like it … not much fun, huh?
And once again, your “surety” turns out to be completely false … but I suppose that’s no surprise in your world.
Look, Margaret, you don’t want to get into a pissing contest with me. You came in riding on your high horse, letting us know that you grade other peoples work, as if that meant anything other than a pathetic attempt to impress. You proceeded to tell me I wasn’t working hard enough, wasn’t putting my scientific training to work … is that how your momma taught you to come into a room full of strangers, with an insult on your lips for the host?
l doubt she did … well, as a result of you showing up to grade us all, your work in this thread has been graded by all the folks here. By and large, you got a D. I haven’t heard one person defend you.
I started out with a C. Then it went to a D. After your last email, I’d give you an F simply for being too stupid to realize that you’ve lost badly and people are starting to snicker and laugh … but hey, that’s just me.
w.
Jimbo says:
May 25, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Curiously, I strongly hope that that happens. I realized long ago that I could accomplish almost anything if I didn’t care who got the credit …
w.
Willis, I want to focus on an astounding observation you have made about the data. But I want to draw attention to it by quibbling with a statement you made between Figure 4 and 5:
This is where you introduce the “degree-days” or “degree-months” concept. From first principles, I see no theoretical reason why any non-active system needs to restore the degree-months balance.
Through your insight in Figure 5, what is astonishing is that the data shows that the system does indeed return to a degree-month balance and does so quickly. Equally obvious is that the climate models do not behave this way and that the cold must linger on in models for years.
For the moment, forget the “Why?” “Degree-days” is a well known agricultural term. We have been conditioned to “know” that volcanic eruptions create “year-without-summers” and therefore volcanic eruptions must lengthen the time to bring in a crop and increasing the chance of crop failure by reducing the cumulative degree-days as a function of calendar date. This is what we have been taught. This is what we have confirmed from legend. This is what most of us would have assumed to happen. No surprise, the climate models behave according to legend.
In Figures 4 and 5 Willis shows us DATA that does not behave according to legend; doesn’t behave according to models; so it must not behave according to theory. Either Willis got the data in figure 5 wrong or the theory on which the models are built is wrong. Full stop. It is true from the data that we loose about 30 degree-days over 12 months. But the data show that we stop losing ground in the second year and make it back by year 4, while the models fall further behind. Who predicted this before looking at the data? In a sense, Figure 5 is as earth shaking a result a the Michelson-Morley experiment — an expected signal is not to be seen in the data.
It is only as extra credit that Willis proffers his expected response from a governed, lagged system hypothesis. Furthermore, the governor apparently does not govern just temperature, but governs something like a “degree-day” quantity. Profound! The system does not NEED to operate this way. That it DOES is the jewel Willis uncovered.
Thank you for the enlightening evening, Mr. Eschenbach.
Nick, the models themselves use that exact formula, ∆T = λ ∆F. What do you think I’ve been talking about? I just got through showing that the average of the climate models can be almost perfectly replicated using THAT EXACT FORMULA in its normal lagged version … and now you ask who uses the formula? Pay attention much?
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actually having been through ModelE’s source code I can tell you that they do not use that formula. Not in any way shape or form.
Not ModelE. Not the MITGCM. Not CCSM4.
None of them.
Not a single one.
Mosher,
The question is not whether the models use that actual code. I believe the argument was that you can replicate the model results using that code. Willis’ argument was that his code reverse engineered the models. The contention was functional equivalence.
Nick, Steven,
Are you just fiddling around here or what?
Also, ‘the average climate models can be almost perfectly replicated using THAT EXACT FORMULA’ makes me think Willis isn’t arguing anybody’s going to see that in the source code.
In almost all engineered control systems, which aim to keep some state variable (e.g. velocity, voltage, temperature) at a desired value as closely as possible, there is some sort of “integral action” in the control algorithm. This aspect of control integrates the deviation from the set point over time, providing a restoring effort due to the integral of the deviation, and not just the deviation itself. (The units of the integrated deviation are the quantity being controlled multiplied by time, e.g. “degree days”.) This action is necessary to maintain the system precisely at the set point even if there is a continual “disturbance” to the system, such as the gravitational load on a mass that you are trying to hold at a specific height.
If such a system is subject to a temporary disturbance, the integrator charges up in response so that the system can return to the set point even with the disturbance present. If the disturbance then disappears, the only way for the integrator to “discharge” is to have the system overshoot the set point so the error is of the other sign for a while.
Willis’ argument here is that the climate system is behaving more like an engineered control system with integral action (what he refers to as a governor) than as a system with simple proportional feedback. As far as I can tell, there is no mechanism, implicit or explicit, in any of the mainstream climate models that provides any kind of integrated restoring action, as opposed to simple proportional restoring action (which lessens, but does not eliminate, the deviation due to a constant disturbance, and will not overshoot on disappearance of the disturbance).
The responses to the temporary volcanic disturbances (from reduction of admitted solar radiation) that Willis shows are consistent with his argument, and should at least prompt some more analysis. Even if you don’t think that the integrated error value, in degree-days, is physically meaningful to you, you should at least consider the possibility of restoring actions proportional to it.
In the Appendix Data section there is a link to an Excel file “Forcings and Models.xlsx”. It shows in column E the “Forster Model Results” in Celsius. It shows the minimum temperature for the Kratatoa eruption as -1.68 C in 1884.
The Excel file “CHIP5 black box reconstruction.xlsx given at the bottom of the post “Model Climate Sensitivity Calculated Directly From Model Results” column D, “Modeled Temperature” shows the 1884 value as -0.23 C. As far as I can tell, both of these files is supposed to be the Forster model average temperature outputs. Why are they different?
Mark Bofill says: May 25, 2013 at 8:16 pm
“Also, ‘the average climate models can be almost perfectly replicated using THAT EXACT FORMULA’ “
Again, no. The formula Willis used was:
T(n+1) = T(n)+λ ∆F(n+1) * (1-exp(-1/τ)) + ΔT(n) exp( -∆T / τ )
Not at all the same. Apart from anything else, there is an extra parameter.τ.
Ken Gregory May 25, 2013 at 8:22 pm
“As far as I can tell, both of these files is supposed to be the Forster model average temperature outputs. Why are they different?”
Ken,
That’s one of the things that had me puzzled back here. But I found that col E, although headed “Foster Model Results (°C)” seem to be actually forcings. Col F seem to be the 19 model average temperatures. and I think are what was used.
Nick Stokes: Again, no. The formula Willis used was:
T(n+1) = T(n)+λ ∆F(n+1) * (1-exp(-1/τ)) + ΔT(n) exp( -∆T / τ )
Not at all the same. Apart from anything else, there is an extra parameter.τ.
Mark Bofill did not write that something was “the same”; he wrote that Willis’ formula almost perfectly replicated the model results. I have read all of your comments, and I can not find where you claim that Willis Eschenbach’s replicated climate model response actually has a significant amount of error — enough, say, that the visual impression conveyed by figure 5 is wrong. His “reverse engineering” of the climate model output has in the past been pretty accurate. He has a better model for the models, so the speak, than the models are for the climate data.
Margaret Hardman: There are lots of confounding factors not taken into account, for example: how long do the particles erupted into the atmosphere remain there?
That is a good question for a follow-up paper. It parallels my request that Willis provide a time-locked plot of the aerosol indices (if such are available.) That he has not done so yet does not undermine the point of the present post. If motivated, we are all free to follow up on this excellent post.
Thanks for the reply Nick. You said, “Col F seem to be the 19 model average temperatures”, but Column F is blank.
Column E of the “Forcings and Models.xlsx” labelled “Forster Model Results (°C)” has values identical to Column G of the file “CHIP5 black box reconstruction.xlsx” labelled “Ave. Model Forcing” in W’/m2.
Column B of “Forcings and Models.xlsx” is labeled “Forster Forcing W/m2″. The values are similar to the values in Column E, but not identical. Why are they different?
Column D of file “CHIP5 black box reconstruction.xlsx” is labeled “Modeled Temperature” which is likely the temperature used to create the blue curve of figure 4.
How are we supposed to make sense of this work when the columns in the spreadsheet is mislabeled?
Well I can tell you this, if baby Krackatoa erupts again, we will find out how long dusts stays in the atmosphere. From what I have studied, it can cool the climate for a number of years, and ruin crops sometimes a thousand and more miles away. After the Thera and Mt.Vesuvius explosions in or around 1628 BC, China’s temps plummeted and they had frosts form and kill summer crops. The sun was obliterated and they had a 7 year drought. Volcanoes are not to be underestimated, especially when they have remained dormant for a number of years and suddenly erupt, they are the most dangerous rather than continual minor eruptions, like Etna and Stromboli and the Hawaiian volcanoes. We have hot spots in South Australia and Victoria, and they rumble occasionally. Last eruption only 5,000 years ago, so it ain’t extinct.
I copied column D “Modeled Temperature” of the file “CHIP5 black box reconstruction.xlsx” into the “Forcings and Models.xlsx” file in Column G, and calculated the average temperatures of the years of the six volcanic eruptions, and the years before and after the eruptions to replicate the blue curve of Figure 4. The calculated temperatures from the Forster modeled temperatures are:
Year deg. C
-2 0.00
-1 0.00
0 -0.18
1 -0.35
2 -0.23
3 -0.10
4 -0.06
This is shown in column V of my file:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/files/WillisE Forcings and Models.xlsx
This is not similar to blue curve of Figure 4, described as the average of the modeled annual temperatures from the 15 climate models in the Forster paper. As I mentioned in my previous comment, the Forster model average is of 19 models, not 15 models. The volcanoes did not erupt at the beginning of each year. Was some correction made to the annual modeled data to account for the actual month of eruption?
Willis, can you please provide the spreadsheet used to create Figure 4?
Ken.
“Column F is blank”
There is something strange here. In my version of “Forcings and Models.xlsx”, seen in Open Office, it is indeed blank. But when OO sees it as an ODS file, it is filled with the temperature values, which seem to be the right ones.
Ken,
Oops, my apologies. I think I may have pasted the numbers in the ods file myself.
I change the file name to replace the blanks with _ so the link should work.
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/files/WillisE_Forcings_and_Models.xlsx
Patrick Michaels and Paul Knappenberger writes about anti-information from the Canadian climate model, run by Andrew Weaver at the Canadian Centre for Climate Modelling and Analysis.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/23/anti-information-in-climate-models/
The Canadian Climate Model forecast one of the most extreme warming for the 21st century of all models. They write, “The differences between the predictions and the observed temperatures were significantly greater (by a factor of two) than what one would get just applying random numbers.”
I made a plot from Climate Explorer, CMIP5, comparing the Canadian model to observations:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/CanESM2.jpg
With the model forced matched to the HadCRUT observations during the 1960s, the discrepancy between the model and 2012 average temperature is 0.71 Celsius. The climate modelers headed by Dr. Weaver obviously have no clue about how the climate works.
Dr. Weaver has sued Dr. Tim Ball for making remarks about Dr. Weaver’s climate modeling skills.
“[Margaret Hardman] … you’ve lost badly and people are starting to snicker and laugh …”
[Eschenbach]
LOL. It’s worse than that. After awhile, whenever I saw her name “says…,” I just scrolled down, skimming as the text flowed by, and always coming away with the impression of a deeply troubled, prideful, person of average intelligence far out of her depth.
Well, Ms. Hardman, don’t feel too bad. I’m sure most of the scientists here do that with my posts, too.
But, I don’t pretend to be science-saavy.
I hope you can find a way to start being the REAL you. That is the only way you will ever be happy. Post something that allows your strengths to shine.
Love yourself, love who you ARE.
And then, I think you’ll find that others will love you, too.
Steven Mosher says:
May 25, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Having been through the Model E’s source code myself, I’ve never seen it there … but that wasn’t my meaning. Sorry for the lack of clarity. What I meant was that the Model E is functionally equivalent to that equation. As I have been saying over and over again in the last three posts, my meaning was that the Model E’s output can be replicated, to about 99% accuracy, by that simple equation. As can the others. They are all functionally equivalent to that equation.
The ModelE. The MITGCM. The CCSM4.
All of them.
Every single one.
But then you knew that was my meaning. After all, in what you quoted above I said:
So you knew or should have known that I was talking about functional equivalence and not actual appearance in the code.
As to the equation, you were the one who posted that very equation in my last thread, saying “write this down”, and I took heed. So why are you now propping up Nick Stokes, of all people? Your post makes it sound like he’s right about the equation and that it’s made up somehow, that no one uses it.
Which as you well know as someone who just posted the equation, is a load of total and complete Nick Stokes bollocks.
w.
Nick Stokes says:
May 25, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Nick, that’s pedantic hogwash. Here is my exact statement, with my added emphasis:
You see the part there about the “normal lagged version”? That’s where the tau comes in. So yes, it is exactly as I said. THAT EXACT FORMULA in its normal lagged version. You can’t have a lagged version without a time constant of some sort.
Folks, you remember I warned you that Nick would do this. Pedantic nitpicking of the highest order is his specialty. He’s good at trying to tear things down, he’s ridiculously bad at actually identifying a real problem, and as for actually building something up and moving the conversation forwards?
I have no idea how good he is at that … never seen the man attempt it …
w.
Janice Moore
May 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm
I notice a trope, a meme if you like, that runs through all so-called skeptical blogs and forums (9/11 truthers, antivaxxers, etc) – sooner or later the discussion turns personal. I don’t know you. You don’t know me. You have no idea who I am and beyond a few little biographical details that I have given freely, you probably never will. However, you choose to analyse me, just as others chose to insult or patronise me. I pointed out earlier, on the basis of five data points, that Mr Eschenbach’s thesis is unlikely to overturn a real scientist’s views on the models used in understanding the Earth’s climate. I asked for the criteria – it seems he chose the biggest, although there is no explanation of what source the list came from. I got patronised in return by the author. Hardly the response of someone keen to get the truth out, I would have thought.
There are people better qualified than me to examine this article and find the flaws in it. But that is what science does, all the time. Scientists read these things, find fault, examine their assumptions and communicate these concerns so that the science can become better and tigher. I’ve read Eschenbach’s Brief Communcation Arising on O’Reilly et al’s paper on warming in Lake Tanganyika and the response. The former was measured and reference free (aside from the necessary reference to the original paper). The response was measured and fully referenced. My point is that real working scientists are open with their methods (cue long and tedious thing about Climategate, blah, blah, blah) and welcome scrutiny. Pseudoscientists and aspiring scientists do not always get this. There may be something in the work of Mr Eschenbach that should be taken seriously. In which case, he needs seriously to work on it to put it into the sort of shape that will be accepted by a proper journal and not posted on some blog or other, even one that hilariously wins awards for its science.
So I may be prideful, I may be of average intelligence but I’m not sure I descend to the level of name calling and amateur psychiatry. I’m quite happy as I am, thank you. I’m looking forward to a day of marking, gardening and, if time permits, educating myself just a little bit more. In the meantime, read on: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/05/wondering-willis-volcanoes-and-dunning.html#comment-form
Willis,
“THAT EXACT FORMULA in its normal lagged version”
What’s the normal value of τ?
Why put EXACT in caps when it isn’t that at all?
But the thing is, as I said above, Lucia among others has shown that exponentially smoothed forcing can be fitted to measured surface temperatures too. It’s a big extension of the “paradigm”.
“Your post makes it sound like he’s right about the equation and that it’s made up somehow, that no one uses it.”
Well, you’ve said it is the “climate paradigm” and “their canonical equation”. All you need to do to fix that is quote someone using it that way. That just isn’t happening.
But I think Ken Gregory has a point. The reason why I was stuck early on trying to locate the model output data in the spreadsheet you posted is that it isn’t there.
Willis: “So you knew or should have known that I was talking about functional equivalence and not actual appearance in the code.”
Willis, just admit what you said is CAPS was not what you “meant”. It is not for other to “should know” , it is for you to state what you mean and if you make an error or express something badly just admit it rather than getting into long acrimonious discussions.
Your last post was am important demonstration of how close the model behaviours is to this trivial linear model. Just correct you text to say what you meant and then we can get back to real point of this thread.