Guest essay by Nic Lewis
The Otto et al. paper has received a great deal of attention in recent days. While the paper’s estimate of transient climate response was low, the equilibrium/effective climate sensitivity figure was actually slightly higher than that in some other recent studies based on instrumental observations. Here, Nic Lewis notes that this is largely due to the paper’s use of the Domingues et al. upper ocean (0–700 m) dataset, which assesses recent ocean warming to be faster than other studies in the field. He examines the effects of updating the Otto et al. results from 2009 to 2012 using different upper ocean (0–700 m) datasets, with surprising results.
Last December I published an article here entitled ‘Why doesn’t the AR5 SOD’s climate sensitivity range reflect its new aerosol estimates?‘ (Lewis, 2012). In it I used a heat-balance (energy-budget) approach based on changes in mean global temperature, forcing and Earth system heat uptake (ΔT, ΔF and ΔQ) between 1871–80 and 2002–11. I used the RCP 4.5 radiative forcings dataset (Meinshausen et al, 2011), which is available in .xls format here, conformed it with solar forcing and volcanic observations post 2006 and adjusted its aerosol forcing to reflect purely satellite-observation-based estimates of recent aerosol forcing.
I estimated equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) at 1.6°C,with a 5–95% uncertainty range of 1.0‑2.8°C. I did not state any estimate for transient climate response (TCR), which is based on the change in temperature over a 70-year period of linearly increasing forcing and takes no account of heat uptake. However, a TCR estimate was implicit in the data I gave, if one makes the assumption that the evolution of forcing over the long period involved approximates a 70-year ramp. This is reasonable since the net forcing has grown substantially faster from the mid-twentieth century on than previously. On that basis, my best estimate for TCR was 1.3°C. Repeating the calculations in Appendix 3 of my original article without the heat uptake term gives a 5–95% range for TCR of 0.9–2.0°C.
The ECS and TCR estimates are based on the formulae:
(1) ECS = F2× ΔT / (ΔF − ΔQ) and (2) TCR = F2× ΔT / ΔF
where F2× is the radiative forcing corresponding to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentrations.
A short while ago I drew attention, here, to an energy-budget climate study, Otto et al. (2013), that has just been published in Nature Geoscience, here. Its author list includes fourteen lead/coordinating lead authors of relevant AR5 WG1 chapters, and myself. That study uses the same equations (1) and (2) as above to estimate ECS and TCR. It uses a CMIP5-RCP4.5 multimodel mean of forcings as estimated by general circulation models (GCMs) (Forster et al, 2013), likewise adjusting the aerosol forcing to reflect recent satellite-observation based estimates – see Supplementary Information (SI) Section S1. It Although the CMIP5 forcing estimates embody a lower figure for F2× (3.44 W/m2) than do those per the RCP4.5 database (F2×: 3.71 W/m2), TCR estimates from using the two different sets of forcing estimates are almost identical, whilst ECS estimates are marginally higher using the CMIP5 forcing estimates[i].
Although the Otto et al. (2013) Nature Geoscience study illustrates estimates based on changes in global mean temperature, forcing and heat uptake between 1860–79 and various recent periods, it states that the estimates based on changes to the decade to 2000–09 are arguably the most reliable, since that decade has the strongest forcing and is little affected by the eruption of Mount Pinatubo. Its TCR best estimate and 5–95% range based on changes to 2000-09 are identical to what is implicit in my December study: 1.3°C (uncertainty range 0.9–2.0°C).
While the Otto et al. (2013) TCR best estimate is identical to that implicit in my December study, its ECS best estimate and 5–95% range based on changes between 1860–79 to 2000–09 is 2.0°C (1.2–3.9°C), somewhat higher than the 1.6°C (1.0–2.9°C) per my study, which was based on changes between 1871–80 and 2002–11. About 0.1°C of the difference is probably accounted for by roundings and the difference in F2× factors due to the different forcing bases. But, given the identical TCR estimates, differences in the heat-uptake estimates used must account for most of the remaining 0.3°C difference between the two ECS estimates.
Both my study and Otto et al. (2013) used the pentadal estimates of 0–2000-m deep-layer ocean heat content (OHC) updated from Levitus et al. (2012), and made allowances in line with the recent studies for heat uptake in the deeper ocean and elsewhere. The two studies’ heat uptake estimates differed mainly due to the treatment of the 0–700-m layer of the ocean. I used the estimate included in the Levitus 0–2000-m pentadal data, whereas Otto et al. (2013) subtracted the Levitus 0–700-m pentadal estimates from that data and then added 3-year running mean estimates of 0–700-m OHC updated from Domingues et al (2008).
Since 2000–09, the most recent decade used in Otto et al. (2013), ended more than three years ago, I will instead investigate the effect of differing heat uptake estimates using data for the decade 2003–12 rather than for 2000–09. Doing so has two advantages. First, forcing was stronger during the 2003–12 decade, so a better constrained estimate should be obtained. Secondly, by basing the 0–700-m OHC change on the difference between the 3-year means for 2003–05 and for 2010–12, the influence of the period of switchover to Argo – with its higher error uncertainties – is reduced.
In this study, I will present results using four alternative estimates of total Earth system heat uptake over the most recent decade. Three of the estimates adopt exactly the same approach as in Otto et al. (2013), updating estimates appropriately, and differ only in the source of data used for the 3-year running mean 0–700-m OHC. In one case, I calculate it from the updated Levitus annual data, available from NOAA/NOCDC here. In the second case I calculate it from updated Lyman et al. (2010), data, available here. In the third case I use the updated Domingues et al. (2008) data archived at the CSIRO Sea Level Rise page in relation to Church et al. (2011), here. Since that data only extends to the mean for 2008–10, I have extended it for two years at a conservative (high) rate of 0.33 W/m2 – which over that period is nearly double the rate of increase per the Levitus dataset, and nearly treble that per the Lyman dataset. The final estimate uses total system heat uptake estimates from Loeb et al. 2012 and Stephens et al. 2012. Those studies melded satellite-based estimates of top-of-atmosphere radiative imbalance with ocean heat content estimates, primarily updated from the Lyman et al. (2010) study. The Loeb 2012 and Stephens 2012 studies estimated average total Earth system heat uptake/radiative imbalance at respectively 0.5 W/m2 over 2000–10 and 0.6 W/m2 over 2005–10. I take the mean of these two figures as applying throughout the 2003–12 period.
I use the same adjusted CMIP5-RCP4.5 forcings dataset as used in the Otto et al. (2013) study, updating them from 2000–09 to 2003–12, to achieve consistency with that study (data kindly supplied by Piers Forster). Likewise, the uncertainty estimates I use are derived on the same basis as those in Otto et al. (2013).
I am also retaining the 1860–79 base reference period used in Otto et al. (2013). That study followed my December study in deducting 50% of the 0.16 W/m2 estimate of ocean heat uptake (OHU) in the second half of the nineteenth century per Gregory et al. (2002), the best-known of the earlier energy budget studies. The 0.16 W/m2 estimate – half natural, half anthropogenic – seemed reasonable to me, given the low volcanic activity between 1820 and 1880. However, I deducted only 50% of it to compensate for my Levitus 2012-derived estimate of 0–2000-m ocean heat uptake being somewhat lower than that per some other estimates. Although the main reason for making the 50% reduction in the Gregory (2002) OHU estimate for 1861–1900 disappears when considering 0–700-m ocean heat uptake datasets with significantly higher trends than per Levitus 2012, in the present calculations I nevertheless apply the 50% reduction in all cases.
Table 1, below, shows comparisons of ECS and TCR estimates using data for the periods 2000–09 (Otto et al., 2013), 2002–11 (Lewis, 2012 – my December study) and 2003–12 (this study) using the relevant forcings and 0–700 m OHC datasets.
Table 1: ECS and TCR estimates based on last decade and 0.08 W/m2 ocean heat uptake in 1860–79.
Whichever periods and forcings dataset are used, the best estimate of TCR remains 1.3°C. The 5–95% uncertainty range narrows marginally when using changes to 2003–12, giving slightly higher forcing increases, rather than to 2000–09 or 2002–11, rounding to 0.9–1.95°C. The ‘likely’ range (17–83%) is 1.05–1.65°C. (These figures are all rounded to the nearest 0.05°C.) The TCR estimate is unaffected by the choice of OHC dataset.
The ECS estimates using data for 2003–12 reveal the significant effect of using different heat uptake estimates. Lower system heat uptake estimates and the higher forcing estimates resulting from the 3-year roll-forward of the period used both contribute to the ECS estimates being lower than the Otto et al. (2013) ECS estimate, the first factor being the most important.
Although stating that estimates based on 2000–09 are arguably most reliable, Otto et al. (2013) also gives estimates based on changes to 1970–79, 1980–89, 1990–99 and 1970–2009. Forcings during the first two of those periods are too low to provide reasonably well-constrained estimates of ECS or TCR, and estimates based on 1990–99 may be unreliable since this period was affected both by the eruption of Mount Pinatubo and by the exceptionally large 1997–98 El Niño. However, the 1970–2009 period, although having a considerably lower mean forcing than 2000–09 and being more impacted by volcanic activity, should – being much longer – be less affected by internal variability than any single decade. I have therefore repeated the exercise carried out in relation to the final decade, in order to obtain estimates based on the long period 1973–2012.
Table 2, below, shows comparisons of ECS and TCR estimates using data for the periods 1900–2009 (Otto et al., 2013) and 1973–2012 (this study) using the relevant forcings and 0–700-m OHC datasets. The estimates of system heat uptake from two of the sources used for 2003–12 do not cover the longer period. I have replaced them by an estimate based on data, here, updated from Ishii and Kimoto (2009). Using 2003–12 data, the Ishii and Kimoto dataset gives almost an identical ECS best estimate and uncertainty range to the Lyman 2010 dataset, so no separate estimate for it is shown for that period. Accordingly, there are only three ECS estimates given for 1973–2012. Again, the TCR estimates are unaffected by the choice of system heat uptake estimate.
Table 2: ECS and TCR estimates based on last four decades and 0.08 W/m2 ocean heat uptake in1860–79
The first thing to note is that the TCR best estimate is almost unchanged from that per Otto et al. (2013): just marginally lower at 1.35°C. That is very close to the TCR best estimate based on data for 2003–12. The 5–95% uncertainty range for TCR is slightly narrower than when using data for 1972–2012 rather than 1970–2009, due to higher mean forcing.
Table 2 shows that ECS estimates over this longer period vary considerably less between the different OHC datasets (two of which do not cover this period) than do estimates using data for 2003–12. As in Table 1, all the 1973–2012 based ECS estimates come in below the Otto et al. (2013) one, both as to best estimate and 95% bound. Giving all three estimates equal weight, a best estimate for ECS of 1.75°C looks reasonable, which compares to 1.9°C per Otto et al. (2013). On a judgemental basis, a 5–95% uncertainty range of 0.9–4.0°C looks sufficiently wide, and represents a reduction of 1.0°C in the 95% bound from that per Otto et al. (2013).
If one applied a similar approach to the four, arguably more reliable, ECS estimates from the 2003–12 data, the overall best estimate would come out at 1.65°C, considerably below the 2.0°C per Otto et al. (2013). The 5–95% uncertainty range calculated from the unweighted average of the PDFs for the four estimates is 1.0–3.1°C, and the 17–83%, ‘likely’, range is 1.3–2.3°C. The corresponding ranges for the Otto et al. (2013) study are 1.2–3.9°C and 1.5–2.8°C. The important 95% bound on ECS is therefore reduced by getting on for 1°C.
References
Church, J. A. et al. (2011): Revisiting the Earth’s sea-level and energy budgets from 1961 to 2008. Geophysical Research Letters 38, L18601, doi:10.1029/2011gl048794.
Domingues, C. M. et al. (2008): Improved estimates of upper-ocean warming and multi-decadal sea-level rise. Nature453, 1090-1093, doi:http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7198/suppinfo/nature07080_S1.html.
Forster, P. M., T. Andrews, P. Good, J. M. Gregory, L. S. Jackson, and M. Zelinka (2013): Evaluating adjusted forcing and model spread for historical and future scenarios in the CMIP5 generation of climate models, J. Geophys. Res. Atmos., 118, doi:10.1002/jgrd.50174
Ishii, M. and M. Kimoto (2009): Reevaluation of historical ocean heat content variations with time-varying XBT and MBT depth bias corrections. J. Oceanogr., 65, 287 – 299.
Levitus, S. et al. (2012): World ocean heat content and thermosteric sea level change (0–2000 m), 1955–2010. Geophysical Research Letters39, L10603, doi:10.1029/2012gl051106.
Loeb, NG et al. (2012): Observed changes in top-of-the-atmosphere radiation and upper-ocean heating consistent within uncertainty. Nature Geoscience, 5, 110-113.
Lyman, JM et al. (2009): Robust warming of the global upper ocean. Nature, 465, 334–337. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7296/full/nature09043.html
Meinshausen M., S. Smith et al. (2011): The RCP greenhouse gas concentrations and their extension from 1765 to 2500. Climate Change, Special RCP Issue
Otto, A. et al. (2013): Energy budget constraints on climate response. Nature Geoscience, doi:10.1038/ngeo1836
Stephens, GL et al (2012): An update on Earth’s energy balance in light of the latest global observations. Nature Geoscience, 5, 691-696
[i]Total forcing after adjusting the aerosol forcing to match observational estimates is not far short of total long-lived greenhouse gas (GHG) forcing. Therefore, differing estimates of GHG forcing – assuming that they differ broadly proportionately between the main GHGs – change both the numerator and denominator in Equation (1) by roughly the same proportion. Accordingly, differing GHG forcing estimates do not matter very much when estimating TCR, provided that the corresponding F2× is used to calculate the ECS and TCR estimates, as was the case for both my December study and Otto et al. (2013). ECS estimates will be more sensitive than TCR estimates to differences in F2× values, since the unvarying deduction for heat uptake means that the (ΔF − ΔQ) factor in equation (2) will be affected proportionately more than the F2× factor. All other things being equal, the lower CMIP5 F2× value will lead to ECS estimates based on CMIP5 multimodel mean forcings being nearly 5% higher than those based on RCP4.5 forcings.
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AlecM says:
May 24, 2013 at 10:27 pm
“…the Earth self regulates OLR equal to SW energy IN…”
Care to describe that mechanism? Or are we supposed to just take your word for it.
JP
Master_Of_Puppets says:
May 24, 2013 at 9:59 pm
You may have mastered puppets, but you need to work on your physics. Next time your thermometer says it’s 104 degrees out, tell yourself that that sweat pouring down your face is just a “phantasm”. I’m sure you’ll feel a lot cooler. JP
tsk tsk, whether 50 % is radiated down is irrelevant, 50% of more is still more
atarsinc: 12.32 am: ‘Care to describe that mechanism? Or are we supposed to just take your word for it.’
Very simple. The OLR bite idea, whilst superficially appealing can only apply if it is proved that no extra atmosphere heat from increased CO2 leaves directly to space via the atmospheric window.
The system has many ways of doing this so we see the null point of the heat engine. The real GHE is the rise in surface temperature above the no GHG state, ~11 K, and is completely separate from the LR difference of surface temperature to the tropopause.
No CO2-AGW means no feedback via H2O and no positive feedback.
In reality we see extreme negative feedback with the oscillations from long time constant parts of the system, e.g. ENSO.
Ice ages are the absence of phytoplankton biofeedback as Fe trace nutrient levels fall.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Apr_2013_v5.5.png
There appears to be a substantial difference between UAH Version 5.5 global anomaly Vs HadCRUT4 & RISS global anomaly.
It appears HadCRUT3 to HadCRUT4 has been adjusted to match RISS. HadCRUT3 to HadCRUT4 looks to be 0.1C temperature increase for recent temperatures.
I thought it odd that Woods for Trees does not include the UAH global anomaly data which would enable an easy comparison of the different data sets.
Has the sensitivity analysis been done with the UAH Version 5.5 global anomaly data?
Comments:
1. There seems to be a concerted effort to manipulate the temperature data sets to reduce past temperatures and increase current. James Hansen’s actions (and what he states in his books/papers) and the climategate emails appears to indicate that there are some people in senior positions who will support the adjustment of data and analysis to push an agenda.
2. It is surreal that those people who are pushing the agenda appear to have absolutely no understand of the implications of what is required for a true, world reduction in CO2 emissions (say a true reduction of 20% moving to 60%), not just spending money on green scams. The scams do not work. For example, EU carbon emissions, have increased when the carbon content of goods manufactured and imported into the EU is included. The scams do not even reduce CO2 emissions locally. For example, the conversion of food to biofuel has resulted in a net increase in CO2 emissions if all energy inputs are to grow and convert the food are include in the calculations. That scheme is significantly worst than burning fossil fuel as virgin forest is being cut down to grow food to convert to biofuel. Same comment concerning frustration over temperature data manipulation concerning cooked book scam calculations. Western countries are spending money on green scams which only results in higher energy costs and job loss in Western countries. The scams do not significantly reduce CO2 emissions in Western countries. Regardless world emissions are increasing and will continue to increase.
3. If there truly was an AGW crisis and world CO2 emissions were required to be significantly reduced the only viable solution is a massive move to nuclear and wartime like restrictions for all countries. For example, draconian restrictions on private and business travel (airlines go bankrupt, no more tourism travel, forced living in apartments rather than separate housing, and so on.), rationing of energy per person, and so on. There has been zero discussion of the implications of true world reduction in CO2 emissions.
4. The current plan is spend money on scams and accept increased job loss in Western countries and hope for a fairy with a magic wand. Facts are facts. Ignoring reality does not change reality.
What is important here is that Nic has established AND got accepted this improved method of extracting these parameters. The results however, do depend upon the accuracy of OHC data for the difference of TCS and ECS.
The researcher incharge of OHC record found a notable drop in 2006 and was about to present his results to a conference when he was persuaded , on the basis of a disparity with TOA energy budget to “correct” the error in OHC.
This resulted in a significant number XTB data being deemed incorrect and the cooling was removed. He then had to change his conference address to explain it was all big mistake.
However, the was a significant change in length of day that would suggest his original findings were correct (just not politically correct).
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=274
Global temperature change causes large shifts in water from oceans to atmosphere and thus bears a strong resemblance to the temperature record.
At some time someone will need to re-examine the objectivity of removing inconvenient data and then reassess OHC. That can be the basis of next years incremental step towards a more accurate assessment of ECS.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/
Perhaps Josh Willis’ original calculations before “correction” were a more accurate assessment of OHC drop on 2006.
@bobl
> To me this implies that all IR radiation to space from the atmosphere must
> be from a greenhouse gas? …
> … What am I missing?
The ‘elephant in the room’ that you are missing is most of the IR radiated to space from a planet is from the surface . GHE does add signficantly to that, mostly from water vapor. CO2 plays a very minor role, along with dust and other microscopic suspended matter.
Look at Mars, where the absolute amount of CO2 per unit surface area is about 30 times greater than on Earth. Virtually no water vapor. So, Mars’ temperature is barely above its black-body temp (~210K)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/marsfact.html
Tsk Tsk says:
May 24, 2013 at 7:27 pm
I think you’re also assuming that the radiation always has to be outwards (are you?). The reality is that the CO2 molecule has basically a 50/50 chance of radiating up and out or down and in. The net effect is to increase the transit time of the photon and increase the energy content of the atmosphere and the surface as a result. Of course this is happening at all levels of the atmosphere just to make it more complicated. Finally, it can be directly observed just by measuring the radiation from a dark sky at night.
While your statement is true the average of all radiation emitted from thermalized energy is towards space. This is as I said above. Any radiation emitted towards space travels a longer distance before re-absorption than radiation emitted toward the surface. This is due to the density differences. Hence, we can model all these radiation events as the statistical average with all radiation travelling a small distance outwards. Adding CO2 increases the number of radiation events thus increasing the flow of energy to space.
Keep in mind we are not discussing surface energy. The surface energy radiated upward is absorbed as well and the more CO2 the more that gets absorbed and radiated back towards the surface. I’ve read that about 90% is immediately re-emitted. Hence, 10% is thermalized and will participate in the above process as will latent energy, conductive energy and energy absorbed in the atmosphere from the sun.
John Day says:
May 25, 2013 at 5:17 am
@bobl
> To me this implies that all IR radiation to space from the atmosphere must
> be from a greenhouse gas? …
> … What am I missing?
The ‘elephant in the room’ that you are missing is most of the IR radiated to space from a planet is from the surface .
Is it? From what I’ve read the vast majority on Earth is from the atmosphere (almost 90%). According to the KT energy budget around 30% of the sun’s energy is absorbed directly in the atmosphere just to start with. Add to that latent energy, conductive energy, thermalized energy and radiation absorbed by the atmosphere and you aren’t left with much that passes through. Much of it may have started from the surface, but the final radiation event takes place in the atmosphere.
The drop in sensitivity by simply factoring in a microsite bias also applies to any other temperature record adjustments. For example, by removing the OHC adjustments Greg Goodman mentioned or all the historic adjustments that lower previous temperatures I would expect to see a much, much smaller sensitivity. IOW, there calculations are only as good as the data itself.
I wonder what the number would be if only raw temperature data was used …
This is probably the best we can do until the unknown unknowns bite us in the ass.
@richard M
> around 30% of the sun’s energy is absorbed directly in the atmosphere just to start with…
I think you’re confusing absorption with albedo. 30% of the sun’s energy is reflected by the clouds, 3% is absorbed by the clouds. The atmosphere absorbs only 13% of solar irradiation directly (not counting clouds). Of the non-reflected energy, 84% (the ‘elephant’) reaches the surface and oceans, 4% of that is reflected back. The remainder of that (~80%, aka the ‘elephant’) is re-rediated as IR heat. Yes, 90% of this is aborbed the atmosphere, but its source was the surface. And yes, that heat absorbed by the atomsphere,mostly by water vapor, is significant (as I said in my post) as GHE warming. CO2 plays a minor role, again as I said in my post.
You can literally (almost) see the GHE effect of water vapor in NOAA’s 6-micron IR imagery, where the white areas denote sections of highest absorption of H2O by the atmosphere. Black represents direct IR heat radiating from surface. (It’s a negative image, somewhat unintutive at first glance)
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GSSLOOPS/ecwv.html
Where are the analogous imagery loops of roiling clouds of CO2 absorbing IR heat? I’ve never seen any, have you?
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Regarding John Day’s comments at 8:14 above, the IPCC tells us in Chapter 8 of their AR4 report per Dr. James Hansen that “…a doubling of atmospheric CO2…with no feedbacks…the global warming from GCMs would be around 1.2°C…”
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch8s8-6-2-3.html
Has anyone ever seen similar climate sensitivity value for a doubling of water vapor without feed backs published anywhere?
We often read about feed backs and how water vapor being a strong green house gas, increases in the warm-up and produces a positive feed back, presumably some of this on its greenhouse effect properties alone. So how much would that be without consideration of its latent heat, cloud albedo and cloud insulation properties?
If the average world temperature is around 60°C and it goes up to around 61°C due to a doubling of CO2, the average concentration of water vapor in the air might go from around 1200 ppm to 1300 ppm. or around 8% and far short of doubling. So how much warming would an 8% increase in water vapor produce?
Oops 12,000 – 13,000 ppm
I’m opting for B. My comments the other day on Nic’s recent WUWT article: Updated Climate Sensitivity….
“…..My take: ECS finally turns out to be vanishingly small (i.e. there is a governor on climate responses al a Willis Eschenbach), then TCR is larger than ECS and within a few years it declines to the minor ECS figure and natural variability is basically all that is left. How’s that for a model!”
Bill Illis says:
May 24, 2013 at 8:10 am
The NODC has updated the Ocean Heat Content numbers for the first quarter of 2013.
Big jump in the OHC numbers in the first quarter of 2013 (and some restating of the older numbers again).
0-2000 metre uptake equates to 0.49 W/m2 in the Argo era.
http://s13.postimg.org/u6al0f6xj/OHC_700_and_2000_M_Q1_2013.png
The most reliable aspect of OHC data, from argo or otherwise, is the relative data on vertical heat movement (as opposed to global heat budget speculation). Thus this new data, by showing more heat uptake at 2000 than 700m, points to vertical mixing and downward movement of heat. Thats why its getting so bloody cold. Its odd that Nina3.4 seems to be taking a dive now after a rather anomalous peak in March-April, normally Nina 3.4 peaks either in Jan (el Nino like event) or in the summer (La Nina like event). Its also noteworthy that total NH sea ice remains close to the winter maximum.
Steve Case says:
May 25, 2013 at 9:06 am
“Has anyone ever seen similar climate sensitivity value for a doubling of water vapor without feed backs published anywhere?”
Not possible. If as I maintain the surface temperature is set in the radiating zone above 14,000 feet and teleconnected to the surface via the lapse rate, then the water content of the atmosphere is approximately fixed at some value less than 100 percent relative humidity. Exceed this value and it rains.
My cents worth: It is highly unlikely that this generation or the next will see any significant change in climate be it cooling or warming, unless there is massive volcanic activity or a giant meteorite hits us. So to those who say we are going into an ice age is just as dumb as a the warmista proposals currently in vogue although I would just love to see a massive ice age coming tomorrow just to win the argument against the warmistas. Although current low solar activity WILL affect climate over to 1000’s of years, we only live 100’s of yrs (we hope!) at most. LOL
BTW I believe most meteorologist’s would agree with my previous statement haha.
Steve Case says:
May 25, 2013 at 9:06 am
The average worldwide temp is nowhere near 60 C. More like 14.5 C. JP
Noblesse Oblige says:
Nic // Why not do a meta analysis to collapse those wide C.I. values. The consistency between the various results suggests that the C.I. is too large.
The errors in the various estimates will be highly correlated, unfortunately, so a meta analysis would not be straightforward and, I suspect, would bring little improvement over the best constrained single estimate, that for the latest decade (or maybe the last 13 or 14 years).
We need to get a better constraint on aerosol forcing, in particular, to bring down the CI. Interestingly, some of the inverse studies give much more tightly constrained estimates of aerosol forcing than do the direct satellite observation based studies. Eg, Forest et al 2006 and my objective Bayesian reworking of it, Lewis 2013, Aldrin et al 2012, and probably Ring et al 2012 if they could be bothered to work out the CI. However, that does ignore model error.
atarsinc says:May 25, 2013 at 1:19 pm
The average worldwide temp is nowhere near 60 C. More like 14.5 C. JP
I hate making Fahrenheit/Celsius errors.
What else is missing? SURGE events that make an overall short term balance within the planetary heat budget; heat dissipation and cold dissipation at the tropopause (think stratwarm & chill) via the narrow bands of the spectrum. It would behoove all to know what the subsurface temperature balance looks like over time at -1m through -100m, including below the ocean basins, which is a trick and a half and unachievable…
Equilibrium happens, but at what levels/forcings?
Aerosol-adjusted forcing, conveniently leaving out the Geo-engineering aerosol-adjusted forcing element?