Monckton asks IPCC for correction to AR4

4 May 2013

IPCC Secretariat, Geneva

Gentlemen,

Request for correction of a serious inaccuracy in the contribution of Working Group 1 to the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report

 

As an Expert Reviewer for the Fifth Assessment Report, 2013, and in accordance with the IPCC Protocol for Addressing Possible Errors in IPCC Assessment Reports, I am writing to report a serious inaccuracy in the contribution of Working Group I to the Fourth Assessment Report, 2007. As a result of the inaccuracy, one of the report’s central conclusions was inappropriately drawn. The inaccuracy could have been avoided in the context of the information available at the time the report was written. It does not reflect new knowledge, scientific information, additional sources or a mere difference of opinion. I request that the inaccuracy be corrected and the correction published in the Errata for Working Group I’s contribution to the Fourth Assessment Report. No such correction currently appears in the Errata.

The error lies in a graph of the HadCRUt global temperature anomalies from 1850-2005, which appears twice in the Fourth Assessment Report. The graph purports to show, but does not show, that the rate of global warming has been accelerating and that the accelerated global warming is anthropogenic.

I understand that the graph as submitted to the IPCC Secretariat in the scientists’ final draft of the Fourth Assessment Report was substantially as it appears below (though axial notations are mine):

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The above graph appears correct. It should be restored in place of the seriously inaccurate version that was substituted for it in at least two places in the Fourth Assessment Report.

The inaccurate version of the graph first appears in Chapter 3, Observations: Surface and Atmospheric Climate Change, of the contribution of Working Group 1 to the Fourth Assessment Report, where it is labelled “Frequently Asked Questions FAQ 3.1, Figure 1”. It is reproduced below:

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The caption (in part) reads as follows:

“… Annual global mean observed temperatures from the HadCRUt3 dataset (black dots) along with simple fits to the data. The left hand axis shows anomalies relative to the 1961 to 1990 average and the right hand axis shows the estimated actual temperature (°C). Linear trend fits to the last 25 (yellow), 50 (orange), 100 (purple) and 150 years (red) are shown, and correspond to 1981-2005, 1956-2005, 1906-2005, and 1856-2005, respectively. Note that for shorter recent periods, the slope is greater, indicating accel­erated warming. The blue curve is a smoothed depiction to capture the decadal variations. To give an idea of whether the fluctuations are meaningful, decadal 5% to 95% (light blue) error ranges about that line are given (accordingly, annual values do exceed those limits). Results from climate models driven by estimated radiative forcings for the 20th century (Chapter 9) suggest that there was little change prior to about 1915, and that a substantial fraction of the early 20th-century change was contributed by naturally oc­curring influences including solar radiation changes, volcanism and natural variability. From about 1940 to 1970 the increasing industrialisation following World War II increased pollution in the Northern Hemisphere, contributing to cooling, and increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases dominate the observed warming after the mid-1970s …”

The text accompanying the defective diagram says, inter alia –

“An increasing rate of warming has taken place over the last 25 years …”

The diagram also appears in the Technical Summary, where the accompanying text says, inter alia –

“The rate of warming averaged over the last 50 years (0.13°C ± 0.03°C per decade) is nearly twice that for the last 100 years.”

My note of a lecture by Dr. Rajendra Pachauri at the University of New South Wales five years ago indicates that he displayed the offending diagram, explained that it showed “surface temperature going back to the beginning of industrialization” [actually only to 1850], and commented as follows –

“… In recent years this graph has become much steeper. If you draw a line through the last 100 years, the slope is a 0.74 C° line. But if you look at the last 50 years, [it is] almost twice as steep as the total 100-year period. So it would be appropriate to conclude that we are now at a stage where warming is taking place much faster … So I’d like to emphasize the fact that we are at a stage where warming is taking place at a much faster rate, and clearly if we don’t bring about some changes we’d have much faster changes in future.

Dr. Pachauri’s citation of and commentary upon the graph indicate that it is at the very heart of the IPCC’s central message that the rate of warming is itself accelerating. By implication, Dr. Pachauri attributes the acceleration to us when he says that we shall have to “bring about some changes” or there will be “much faster changes in future”.

This particular message of the IPCC has been widely reproduced in the news media and, in particular, in the science journals. For instance, the December 2007 edition of Physics Today displays this diagram, and only this diagram, when praising Al Gore and the IPCC for winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

The defective graph has also been relied upon by agencies of government, such as the US Environmental Protection Agency, which displays it prominently in the Technical Support Document accompanying its December 2009 finding, carefully timed to coincide with the Copenhagen climate conference, that CO2 and five other classes of greenhouse gas are an “endangerment” to human health.

The EPA continued to rely upon the graph even after having received the following plainly-worded warning from the South-Eastern Legal Foundation, acting on behalf of clients –

“The graph, like most others in your documentation, was lifted from a document of the IPCC – its 2007 assessment report. The graph purports to demonstrate, but does not in reality demonstrate, that the rate of “global warming” is itself increasing. No reasonable agency of government, acting responsibly and with due scientific competence and impartiality, would have unquestioningly reproduced such a graph. No competent and genuinely independent peer-reviewer would have sanctioned the use of this graph. However, not one of the 11 ‘Federal expert reviewers’ whom you chose informed you that this graph was an instance of a well-known statistical fallacy. One of the ‘expert’ reviewers was the lead author of the IPCC document in which the defective graph first appeared.

“It is instances such as this that underline the lack of wisdom of your repetition of the defective and highly-politicized analyses issued by the IPCC, and of your failure to ensure that genuinely independent scientific reviewers were invited to scrutinize your documentation to prevent you from merely repeating bad scientific errors such as that which the IPCC’s bogus graph represents.”

As the EPA’s Technical Support Document itself admits (though with characteristically self-serving illogicality it ignores its own admission in the remainder of the same sentence) –

“Trends may be sensitive to changes of start date in a time series …”

The EPA refused to remove the defective graph, as it should have done.

Be that as it may, the EPA’s citation of the defective graph illustrates the considerable influence it has had on public policy. Indeed, it has also had an adverse influence on the standing of the IPCC. When I showed the graph to the Republican caucus of the Ways and Means Committee of the US Congress when giving testimony before the Committee some years ago, the then ranking member of the Committee said at once, “They can’t have done that!” He turned to his colleagues and said:

“Gentlemen, we have seen all that we need to see about whether any reliance can be placed on the work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

That was the moment when the Republican Party in the US decided that it would no longer support the Democrats in their belief that the IPCC’s science could be relied upon and that, therefore, Man was exercising a potentially damaging influence on global climate.

The reasons why the graph as published is defective follow. Much of the analysis may seem trivial, but the aim is to make the argument as accessible as possible to officials of the IPCC and of governments who finalize the IPCC’s reports but may not have a background in elementary statistics.

On any curve of a time-series representing stochastic data (from the Greek στόχос, “a guess”, since stochastic data are inherently volatile and unpredictable, following no discernible pattern), an artful choice of endpoints for a set including more than one least-squares linear-regression trend permits fabrication, at will, of any desired spurious acceleration or deceleration in the trend.

It will now be shown, using the same IPCC technique on the same data but carefully selecting different endpoints, that it is possible to generate opposite results, demonstrating the technique to be defective.

In the diagram below, the slope of the IPCC’s trend-line for 1905-2005 (here shown as an arrowed green line) is half the slope of the trend-line for 1905-1945:

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It would be as inappropriate to draw from the carefully-chosen trend-lines on the above graph the conclusion that the rate of global warming has decelerated as it was for the IPCC to draw from its artfully-chosen trend-lines the opposite conclusion that the rate of global warming is accelerating. The example is given to illustrate the falsity of the IPCC’s technique, and to show how easily one may obtain any desired result by a capricious but careful choice of endpoints for multiple trend-lines.

By way of a heuristic to demonstrate why the technique used by the IPCC is an abuse of statistical method, consider a sine-wave, propagated horizontally from left to right ad infinitum. A segment of the wave is shown here. The slope of the curve is by definition zero –

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Or is it zero? We take a short segment of the sine-wave terminating at some local minimum (at right, above), and calculate four overlapping least-squares linear-regression trends on the data in that segment, each terminating at that rightward minimum.

The first trend-line in the graph below covers the whole segment that is displayed, but the starting-points of the three remaining trend-lines are carefully chosen, starting successively closer to the endpoint of the displayed segment of the curve:

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Each successively-commencing trend-line – the red, the purple, the orange and the yellow – has a steeper slope than its predecessor, just as in the IPCC’s graph. On this evidence, the curve of the sine-wave seems not merely to be following a falling trend, but a falling trend that is in an accelerated and ever-more-precipitate decline.

Yet it is self-evident that the true long-run trend of a sine-wave is zero by definition. For this reason, the statistical technique is unquestionably false, as may be confirmed by shifting the phase of the sine-wave by half a cycle to right or left:

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If the trend-lines are repositioned, the graph now appears to exhibit not merely a rising trend but an ever-more-rapidly climbing trend, the opposite of the (equally false) result that was obtained previously.

Where, then, lies the truth about the trend in mean global surface temperatures over the past century and a half? Remove most of the trend-lines from the IPCC’s deceptive graph, and replace them with trend-lines marking the periods of the most rapid warming during the period that persisted for more than a decade.

This technique is legitimate: a narrow and straightforward question is being asked about which periods exhibited the fastest supra-decadal warming rate during the instrumental record.

The rate of warming in the 26 years 1975-2001 (during which, at least in theory, humankind’s emissions of CO2 might have been sufficient to exercise some small influence on the global temperature trend) is not unique. During two previous periods – 1860-1880 and 1910-1940 – the warming rate was identical, within the measurement uncertainty shown on the graph, to that from 1975-2001. Yet it is agreed among all parties that we cannot have had any measurable effect on temperature trends in the two earlier periods.

On 23 April, 2009, Lord Leach of Fairfield asked Her Majesty’s Government –

“… whether the rate of increase in global mean surface temperatures between 1975 and 1998 [His Lordship chose that date rather than 2001] was similar to the rates of increase observed between 1860 and 1880 and between 1910 and 1940 …”

Lord Hunt of King’s Heath replied –

“Observations collated at the Met Office Hadley Centre and the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit indicate that the rate of increase in global average surface temperature between 1975 and 1998 was similar to the rates of increase observed between 1860 and 1880 and between 1910 and 1940 (approximately 0.16 C° per decade).

“This observation has no implications for our policy on anthropogenic warming. Little can be deduced from relatively short trends in the temperature record taken in isolation from the overall picture. …”

Yet the IPCC, in its defective graph, had indeed sought to deduce from a “relatively short trend” in the data – namely, the last 25 years – that the magnitude of the trend was exceptional, when, as Her Majesty’s Government were compelled to admit upon questioning, the trend over that period had two previous precedents occurring at approximately 60-year intervals in the 150-year instrumental record:

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Surely the correct conclusion is that – so far, at any rate – there is no discernible human influence on global temperature: merely a continuation of the recovery of global temperatures from the Little Ice Age (a recovery that began 300 years ago), overlaid by a ~60-year periodicity in global temperature that appears to exhibit some correlation (not necessarily causative) with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation Index.

None of these considerations rule out a gentle (though not yet plainly detectable) influence on global temperature from rising CO2 concentrations. However, examination of the 163-year record of global mean surface temperature anomalies does appear to indicate –

Ø that there has been no acceleration in the warming rate, which, at its supra-decadal maximum from 1976-2001, was no greater than in 1860-1880 or 1910-1940;

Ø that most of the warming from 1950 to date must have been caused not by us but by natural variability in the climate, perhaps including the Pacific Decadal Oscillation; and

Ø that the mean decadal warming rate of 0.38 C°/decade that the IPCC predicts for the next 87 years as its central estimate on the A2 emissions scenario is almost two and a half times the maximum decadal warming rate observed over the past 161 years, which was just 0.16 C°/decade.

The last conclusion raises questions about the reliability of the IPCC’s perhaps excessive central climate-sensitivity estimate. The trend on the arithmetic mean of the RSS and UAH satellite monthly global mean lower-troposphere temperature anomalies from January 2001 to April 2013 shows no acceleration in the rate of warming. Instead, for 12 years the trend has been statistically indistinguishable from zero:

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Dr. Pachauri, the science chairman of the IPCC, admitted in Melbourne early in 2013 that there had been a 17-year “pause” in global warming. I reported the defective IPCC graph in person and in writing to him some time ago, but, though he could not fault my analysis, he has not had the graph corrected.

Bearing in mind the very substantial sums that the IPCC is receiving on the pretext inter alia of its inappropriate conclusion from the defective graph that the rate of warming is accelerating and that we are to blame for the acceleration, the IPCC’s continued reliance upon the defective graph in its Fourth Assessment Report, on its website and in several lectures by its science chairman may constitute fraud.

On the advice of a barrister and also of a judge of the New Zealand Supreme Court, police are shortly to be invited to consider whether the continued use of the IPCC’s defective graph by the Victoria University of Wellington on its public website constitutes fraud. Therefore, I should be grateful if you would let me know if I have misunderstood anything, and, if so, explain why the IPCC considers it justifiable, on the basis of the relative slopes of multiple arbitrarily-chosen trend-lines, to draw the conclusion that the rate of global warming is accelerating and that we are to blame, when the observed data suggest no such acceleration. Otherwise, I should be grateful if you would simply correct the defective graph.

The IPCC cannot be expected to be taken seriously if apparently criminal dishonesties of this magnitude are persisted in and widely cited both by senior IPCC officials and by third parties allied to or supportive of the IPCC even long after the dishonesties have been drawn to its attention.

Copies of this letter go to the Minister for Climate Change in the House of Lords and to the Economic Affairs Committee of the House, which has taken an active interest in the errors of scientific rigour which have arisen because the IPCC is not a scientific body but a political entity whose founding document obliges it to act upon the questionable assumption that Man’s influence on the Earth’s climate will prove catastrophic unless it be radically abated.

Yours faithfully,

Viscount Monckton of Brenchley

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farmerbraun
May 5, 2013 2:48 pm

Just run that equilibrium past a peasant would one of you?
A simple farmer wonders when is the climate at equilibrium ; (briefly) at the height of an Ice Age? ; at a certain (mid?) point in an inter-glacial? ; ever?
Surely the concept of an” equilibrium climate sensitivity” depends upon the existence of an equilibrium? Or one or more possible equilibriums given the scale of geological time?
Surely the sensitivity must also vary at different times ; otherwise we would not have ice-ages and interglacials/

Reply to  farmerbraun
May 5, 2013 3:12 pm

farmerbraun:
Right on!

farmerbraun
May 5, 2013 2:59 pm

My question might be better phrased as this ; is climate sensitivity, to a given factor, a constant?

Reply to  farmerbraun
May 5, 2013 3:31 pm

farmerbraun:
The concept called “the equilibrium climate sensitivity” (TECS) is represented by the climatological community to be a constant. However, it is easy to demonstrate the non-existence of TECS as a scientific concept. The non-existence is a consequence from the non-observability of the equilibrium temperature.

richardscourtney
May 5, 2013 4:01 pm

farmerbraun:
You ask if climate sensitivity (CS) is a constant.
Clearly, CS varies greatly over geological timescales because the climate system differs over such times e.g. because the continents move.
But that is not relevant to the present situation.
In absolute terms CS varies with atmospheric GHG concentration.
But, and very importantly, CS approximates to a constant for the present climate system and with possible future variations to atmospheric GHGs. That approximation is sufficiently accurate for all practical purposes.
This approximation is acknowledged by the IPCC which provides a range of GHG equivalent atmospheric CO2 concentration over which it can be calculated before feedbacks.
The calculated CS before feedbacks is 1.0 to 1.2 deg. C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent in the atmosphere. However, that is what CS would be if all else remained constant. And many things in the climate system will alter in response to a change to CS. These alterations are called ‘feedbacks’ because they change CS. Those which increase CS are said to be positive feedbacks and those which reduce CS are said to be negative feedbacks. The need is to determine the net effect of all feedbacks.
The actual CS is the CS which exists including the net effect of all feedbacks.
The IPCC uses values of actual CS obtained from model studies which are in the range 2.0 to 4.5 deg.C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent in the atmosphere.
Actual CS is measured to be ~0.4 deg. C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent in the atmosphere. This is important because AGW cannot be a problem if actual CS is less than 1 deg. C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent in the atmosphere. I explain this with links to papers in my post in this thread at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/04/monckton-asks-ipcc-for-correction-to-ar4/#comment-1297902
It is not relevant whether or not CS has a theoretical reality according to some definition provided by somebody. What matters is what CS is measured to be in terms of the temperature change which occurs in response to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent in the atmosphere.
There is one complexity. There is a time delay from the increase to atmospheric GHG and the resulting eventual temperature rise is achieved. This is the equilbrium sensitivity. This is an abstract concept because the system changes over time as a result of other effects (e.g. solar, volcanism, etc.) and, therefore the equilibrium is never achieved. But this is a trivial and insignificant issue. A change not achieved within a year is of little consequence: indeed, the absence of “committed warming” demonstrates that it is of no practical importance.
I hope this response is clear and answers what you wanted.
Richard

Reply to  richardscourtney
May 5, 2013 4:10 pm

richardscourtney:
Contrary to your assertion to farmerbraun, the equilibrium climate sensitivity cannot be measured.

richardscourtney
May 5, 2013 4:05 pm

Terry Oldberg:
For the third time – and in desperate attempt to climb out of the hole you have of dug – you accuse me of saying what I have not.
Read what I wrote: I said your keeping posting your irrelevant hobby horse on threads is trolling: IT IS. I did not say you are a troll.
I am fed up with your false accusations. Take lessons in remedial reading comprehension.
Richard

May 5, 2013 4:22 pm

richardscourtney:
You call me a liar and troll when you say “Why not stop telling lies and stop trolling WUWT threads with your twaddle?” Are you now withdrawing these attacks on my character?

richardscourtney
May 5, 2013 4:29 pm

Terry Oldberg:
STOP TROLLING.
I have made no attacks on your character (but I am becoming tempted to).
Richard

richardscourtney
May 5, 2013 4:36 pm

Friends:
As an example of the trolling from Oldberg I cite this.
I wrote

There is one complexity. There is a time delay from the increase to atmospheric GHG and the resulting eventual temperature rise is achieved. This is the equilbrium sensitivity. This is an abstract concept because the system changes over time as a result of other effects (e.g. solar, volcanism, etc.) and, therefore the equilibrium is never achieved. But this is a trivial and insignificant issue. A change not achieved within a year is of little consequence: indeed, the absence of “committed warming” demonstrates that it is of no practical importance.

Oldberg has replied saying in total

richardscourtney:
Contrary to your assertion to farmerbraun, the equilibrium climate sensitivity cannot be measured.

Either this is extreme trolling or yet another demonstration that he cannot read.
I shall ignore ALL further communications addressed to me from Terry Oldberg.
(He never writes anything which makes sense.)
Richard

Reply to  richardscourtney
May 5, 2013 5:45 pm

richardscourtney:
By refusing futher debate and being unable to refute my arguments you have, in effect, capitulated.

Ed_B
May 5, 2013 6:22 pm

richardscourtney says:
“The feedbacks in the climate system are negative and, therefore, any effect of increased CO2 will be too small to discern. This concurs with the empirically determined values of low climate sensitivity obtained by Idso, by Lindzen&Choi, etc.. ”
I agree and surely the current lack of warming confirms this. IMO, the vertical movement of water vapour on a daily/hourly basis takes the heat above 90% of the CO2 “blanket”. IMO, the climate models are flawed in that they do not account for this dynamic/vertical transport of heat.
btw, thanks for being persistent and scientific in your posts.

geoff
May 5, 2013 7:23 pm

Richard Courtney, I’m a long time lurker. I just read through the entire thread. The only significant misbehavior by anyone in this thread has been by you. Terry Oldberg and Sam Yates have been nothing but polite in this thread. Sam Yates in particular has bent over backwards trying to engage but not offend. You have engaged in attack after attack on their characters. I’m guessing you have some backstory with them, but that is neither here nor there. If you disagree with them, demolish their arguments. Calling them trolls and calling for everyone to ignore them is in the finest traditions of certain websites we know all too well. If you are weary of refuting their arguments, take a rest. This is a blog. They have a right to have their say. If they are spouting bullshit somebody will point it out. We all have a right to be wrong. The idea that wrong ideas should not be expressed usually come from the other side.

farmerbraun
May 5, 2013 7:31 pm

richardscourtney says:
May 5, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Thank you. If I have understood, then CS is the response (to a doubling of CO2 , for example) and
equilibrium sensitivity is the time delay to reach the new equilibrium (if other factors were to be notionally constant) .

Reply to  farmerbraun
May 5, 2013 9:46 pm

farmerbraun:
In the literature of climatology, “climate sensitivity” and “the equilibrium climate sensitivity” are synonyms. Both are the change in the global temperature at equilibrium from a change in the logarithm to the base 2 of the atmospheric CO2 concentration. Supposedly “the climate sensitivity” (aka “the equilibrium climate sensitivity”) is a constant.

richardscourtney
May 6, 2013 3:17 am

farmerbraun:
At May 5, 2013 at 7:31 pm you ask me for clarification saying

richardscourtney says:
May 5, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Thank you. If I have understood, then CS is the response (to a doubling of CO2 , for example) and
equilibrium sensitivity is the time delay to reach the new equilibrium (if other factors were to be notionally constant) .

Yes, but – as I said – the equilibrium sensitivity is an abstraction with no practical application. Only the immediate response to a change in GHG provides an indication of CS which is useful.
This is because everything is changing all the time so nothing stays “notionally constant”.
There is a problem from this and, perhaps, I was not sufficiently explicit.
I said the absence of “committed warming” demonstrates that the time delay to achieve the abstraction is overwhelmed by other changes within a year so the equilibrium CS is of no practical importance.
The problem is with the climate models and I explain this as follows.
1.
The time delay from increasing GHGs in the atmosphere creates the “committed warming”; i.e. following instantaneous warming from increased GHG, there is additional warming as the system adjusts towards the new equilibrium.
2.
The models incorporate this delay on the basis of modeled (i.e. mostly guessed) ways that the system continues to adjust to wards the abstract equilibrium sensitivity (which is never achieved).
3.
But the “committed warming” has not happened. And it is a lot of missing warming. The IPCC predicted (n.b. predicted and not ‘projected’) that “committed warming” would induce global temperature to rise at an average rate of “0.2°C per decade” over the first two decades of this century with half of this rise being due to atmospheric GHG emissions which were already in the system.
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch10s10-7.html
But there has been no such temperature rise so far and we are now way past the half-way mark of the “first two decades of the 21st century”. So, if this “committed warming” is to occur such as to provide a rise of 0.2°C per decade by 2020 then global temperature would need to rise over the next 7 years by about 0.4°C. And this assumes the “average” rise over the two decades is the difference between the temperatures at 2000 and 2020. If the average rise of each of the two decades is assumed to be the “average” (i.e. linear trend) over those two decades then global temperature now needs to rise before 2020 by more than it rose over the entire twentieth century. It only rose ~0.8°C over the entire twentieth century.
4.
This absence of the “committed warming” is clear empirical demonstration that the system responds such that when increased GHG concentration raises temperature then natural processes adjust such that progress towards the notional equilibrium CS is either halted or reduced to be insignificant.
5.
This lack of progress towards equilibrium CS is also evidence for a low CS (the importance of which I explained in my post at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/04/monckton-asks-ipcc-for-correction-to-ar4/#comment-1297902 ).
6.
If something has an abstract existence but is too small to have discernible effects then it can be ignored for all practical purposes. Immediate change to CS from increased GHG is observed and has been measured in a variety of ways. But, and very importantly, it is observed that effects of adjustment to equilbrium CS are insignificant so can be ignored for practical purposes.
In summation, I repeat my words which I wrote and I have here tried to clarify.
“There is one complexity. There is a time delay from the increase to atmospheric GHG and the resulting eventual temperature rise is achieved. This is the equilbrium sensitivity. This is an abstract concept because the system changes over time as a result of other effects (e.g. solar, volcanism, etc.) and, therefore the equilibrium is never achieved. But this is a trivial and insignificant issue. A change not achieved within a year is of little consequence: indeed, the absence of “committed warming” demonstrates that it is of no practical importance.”
I hope the meaning of those words is now clear.
Richard

richardscourtney
May 6, 2013 3:48 am

geoff:
re your post to me at May 5, 2013 at 7:23 pm.
This is not merely a blog: it is a scientific blog.
Indeed, WUWT is acknowledged as being the best scientific blog having won the award for that outright by winning it three years in a row. That success is formed by scientific discussion which is focused on the subject under discussion. Trolls attack WUWT, its scientific nature and its success by attempting to divert threads from their subject using any means to hand.
Trolls have completely derailed this thread from its subject. You may excuse that because they were “polite”. I do not.
Richard

Reply to  richardscourtney
May 6, 2013 7:49 am

richardscourtney:
It is misleading for you say that “trolls attack WUWT.” This “troll” attacked your bad ideas.

richardscourtney
May 6, 2013 4:11 am

farmerbraun:
For purpose of clarity, I point out that in my posts to you I have been using terms as defined in the IPCC AR4 Glossary which can be read at
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/annex1sglossary-a-d.html
It says

Climate sensitivity
In IPCC reports, equilibrium climate sensitivity refers to the equilibrium change in the annual mean global surface temperature following a doubling of the atmospheric equivalent carbon dioxide concentration. Due to computational constraints, the equilibrium climate sensitivity in a climate model is usually estimated by running an atmospheric general circulation model coupled to a mixed-layer ocean model, because equilibrium climate sensitivity is largely determined by atmospheric processes. Efficient models can be run to equilibrium with a dynamic ocean.
The effective climate sensitivity is a related measure that circumvents the requirement of equilibrium. It is evaluated from model output for evolving non-equilibrium conditions. It is a measure of the strengths of the climate feedbacks at a particular time and may vary with forcing history and climate state. The climate sensitivity parameter (units: °C (W m–2)–1) refers to the equilibrium change in the annual mean global surface temperature following a unit change in radiative forcing.
The transient climate response is the change in the global surface temperature, averaged over a 20-year period, centred at the time of atmospheric carbon dioxide doubling, that is, at year 70 in a 1% yr–1 compound carbon dioxide increase experiment with a global coupled climate model. It is a measure of the strength and rapidity of the surface temperature response to greenhouse gas forcing.

The above first paragraph makes clear that “equilibrium climate sensitivity” is an abstraction which only exists in computer models.
The second paragraph defines that the “effective climate sensitivity is a related measure that circumvents the requirement of equilibrium”. And it is expressed as “the climate sensitivity parameter (units: °C (W m–2)–1)”.
I had thought it was clear in my postings on this that
(a) when discussing climate sensitivity (CS) I was referring to the climate sensitivity parameter
And
(b) when discussing equilibrium climate sensitivity I was referring to the equilibrium climate sensitivity.
Anyway, if there was any doubt then this post should have removed it.
Richard

Reply to  richardscourtney
May 6, 2013 8:24 am

richardscourtney:
In your response to farmerbraun a claim that you make about what the Glossary says is inconsistent with what it actually says. According to the Glossary, “The climate sensitivity parameter (units: °C (W m–2)–1) refers to the equilibrium change in the annual mean global surface temperature following a unit change in radiative forcing.)” Thus, while the “effective climate sensitivity” circumvents the need for equilibrium, the “climate sensitivity parameter” does not.

John Whitman
May 6, 2013 7:28 am

geoff on May 5, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Richard Courtney, I’m a long time lurker. I just read through the entire thread. The only significant misbehavior by anyone in this thread has been by you. Terry Oldberg and Sam Yates have been nothing but polite in this thread. Sam Yates in particular has bent over backwards trying to engage but not offend. You have engaged in attack after attack on their characters. I’m guessing you have some backstory with them, but that is neither here nor there. If you disagree with them, demolish their arguments. Calling them trolls and calling for everyone to ignore them is in the finest traditions of certain websites we know all too well. If you are weary of refuting their arguments, take a rest. This is a blog. They have a right to have their say. If they are spouting bullshit somebody will point it out. We all have a right to be wrong. The idea that wrong ideas should not be expressed usually come from the other side.

– – – – – – –
geoff,
I had similar thoughts as you about what I consider intolerant witch-hunter troll-hunter activities on this thread. I was pleasantly surprised at your balanced expression of a grand tradition for open intellectual discourse.
Thank you.
John

richardscourtney
May 6, 2013 10:36 am

John Whitman:
re your post at May 6, 2013 at 7:28 am.
geoff was NOT “balanced”. The most kindly interpretation is that he – and you – was duped.
I refer you to my answer to his diatribe. This link jumps to it.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/04/monckton-asks-ipcc-for-correction-to-ar4/#comment-1298547
Or as Pedantic old Fart said at May 4, 2013 at 6:47 pm about this thread

It was good because in WAS on topic and relevant and thoughtful. Then the accused trolls got into the act and as a result nothing more of interest occurred. As a newcomer to this medium, I now understand what trolls are about.

The trolls won, and you approve. Sad, very sad.
Richard

farmerbraun
May 6, 2013 12:45 pm

Richard , thanks for the further clarification. I did in fact misapprehend the subject of the second sentence here-
“There is a time delay from the increase to atmospheric GHG and the resulting eventual temperature rise is achieved. This is the equilbrium sensitivity.” –
to be the time delay.

Plain Richard
May 6, 2013 5:27 pm

“Plain Richard says:
May 4, 2013 at 2:31 pm
“Also I think a lot of readers could be interested if the temperature increase has been accelerating (up until the the year of the ipcc report as well as up until now). I agree with Sam that it should be easy enough. See if a quadratic trend fits better to the data than a linear trend, see if there is a significant quadratic trend in addition to the linear trend, or whatever else one might use (I do not have the data nor a statistics program available at the moment).”
Let’s take that serious for a moment. Now the Keeling curve seems to go up pretty linearly since the 60ies, maybe a very slight exponential term in there.”
I would say it is not linear anymore, and appears accelerating. But that’s me. Still the point that mockton tries to raise is that the ipcc says warming increased while using shoddy statistics. But I’ ll follow your lead.
” We know that the CO2 forcing increases only logarithmically though, due to diminishing returns (pressure broadening gets weaker as the absorption spectrum gets more saturated).”
Not sure about pressure broadening, what do you mean with that? But agree with the logarithmic effect.
“When you try to fit the “accelerating trendlines” or your quadratic function to the temperature, how does that rhyme with the known logarithmic strengthening of the CO2 forcing?”
Good question! It should be shown if the -in my view- accelerating buildup of co2 in the atmosphere as such overpowers the logarithic effect of co2 (of course this being without possible feedback effects). Someone should calculate this.
“Answer, it doesn’t. ”
That’s actually the question. However this is interesting because it adds a third option to the 2 headlines I gave above:
Global warming accelerating. Athough ipcc uses stupid model to show it it is nevertheless true
Global warming not accelerating. Ipcc used flawed model to show that it was but were wrong.
Global warming not accelerating. Ipcc used flawed model to show that it was although they should have known it wasn’t theoretically possible at all.
(Note that richardscoutney doesn’t want this discussed, 😀 )
“Now, a trend is a model, and a model without a physical basis is numerology. Let’s look again at the propaganda graphic from the IPCC. They postulate something with it; tnhat the temperature acellerates ever faster ”
Nah, not for ever faster but for some time in any case 😉
“– draw the NEXT line and the line after that; they get increasingly vertical, right?”
Yes, there”s the weakness Moncton identifies.
“CO2 does not explain a physical mechanism for that. So which mechanism remains that could be used as the scapegoat? well, the postulated and never observed positive water vapor feedbnack; that’s the ticket! The only game in town!”
Yes, it is an important one, but not the only game, think reducing arctic ice cover (albedo) and possible methane releases in the arctic. Those have been posited.
“BUT, as the acceleration is already in full progression, shouldn’t we have already observed a measurable increase in water vapor content? We haven’t. The only candidate that the IPCC offers that could explain the acceleration is AWOL (and of course, temperates over the last 15 years have stagnated, probably because there is no increased water vapor; wouldn’t that fit much better as an explanation?)”
See above, and the idea that a relatively a lot of energy has flown into the ocean instead of the atmosphere because of predominantly La Niña cirsumstances. Article ice volume is reported to be seriously down. Melting ice costs energy as well. I am not telling that that is the way it is, only that that there are signs of warming that are not dependent on the usial temperature record.
Regards

Plain Richard
May 6, 2013 5:48 pm

@Eugene WR Callun
“Why do you believe the things SkS and Real Climate have to say? Because what they say is never refuted? ”
What? Where did Isay that?
Why is it never refuted? Because anyone who does attempt to refute it with comprehensible argument is banned from the sites and their comments “disappeared”. They let the occasional crazy post — as a convenient “straw man” they can knock down — but serious refutations of the pseudo-science on those sites is not allowed.
Take it up there
Didn’t you know that?
?
And you are worried about being banned here? What a laugh! About the only thing that can get you banned here is endlessly referencing to Nazis — which Anthony Watts seems to have a bug about.
I am not. What’s your point?
SkS and Real climate are held in low esteem here because quite a few people here have had their posts “disappeared” and been banned or what is even worse — had their comments altered by the moderators to say something which they never said!
Take it there!
Those sites believe in presenting “consensus”. Dissenters are not welcome.
Take it there!
The people who post articles here are highly intelligent people. The people who comment on this site rang from the truly brilliant to people like myself who are dog dumb. So the comments on your comments are going to vary quite a bit
I can live with that
Both of you seems to be people who are filled up with a lot of misinformation that you uncritically spout. Stick around and maybe you will learn something.
Next time please tell me smth I didn’t know already! I want to learn new stuff!

Plain Richard
May 6, 2013 5:58 pm

@richardscourtney
“I note that your post at May 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm repeated a silly point but
IGNORED MY QUESTION.
I repeat
Are you obtaining remuneration for you being an anonymous troll.”
Oh ignored your question? Poor dear! Now troll on!
*manners dear Richard, learn about manners*

Plain Richard
May 6, 2013 6:06 pm

@richardscourtney
“Plain Richard and Sam Yates:
You are a good double act doing a good job of deflecting the thread from its subject.
I make a suggestion. Go over to SkS and misbehave there. Or have you come from there.
Incidentally, and to trample your sidetrack into the dust:
1.
There has been no global warming or cooling discernible at 95% confidence for at least the last 16 years according to all available data sets. acceleration does NOT consist of stasis.
2.
According to the IPCC AR4 which is the subject of this thread the stasis was not possible because of committed warming. The explanation for this is in IPCC AR4 (2007) Chapter 10.7 which can be read at
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch10s10-7.html
Yawn! Nobody cares! I don’t! Stop trolling saying you have the only.truth!

Plain Richard
May 6, 2013 6:09 pm

@richardscourtney
“Plain Richard:
I note that your post at May 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm repeated a silly point but
IGNORED MY QUESTION.
I repeat
Are you obtaining remuneration for you being an anonymous troll? ”
I know a troll when I see one

Plain Richard
May 6, 2013 6:16 pm

@richardscourtney
Learn manners!

Bush bunny
May 6, 2013 8:04 pm

Plain Richard, who the heck are you? Are you Richard Courtney? Lord Monckton has the title and public prestige to push where others might be conveniently unheard.

May 6, 2013 9:09 pm

Courtney’s claim that “There has been no global warming or cooling discernible at 95% confidence for at least the last 16 years according to all available data sets” is the unproved conclusion of an argument of which a premise is that the population mean varies linearly with the time. As I’ve already proved in this thread, Courtney’s “population” is non-existent.

John Whitman
May 7, 2013 7:59 am

richardscourtney on May 6, 2013 at 10:36 am
Whitman’s post at May 6, 2013 at 7:28 am.
[. . .]
The trolls won, and you approve. Sad, very sad.
Richard

– – – – – – –
Richard,
Thanks for your comment.
On this thread your scientific argument seemed to me to be reasonably prevailing (as I have often found to be the case over many threads over the years) so your unilateral initiation of uncivil name calling against Terry Oldberg and Sam Yates provoked my ‘ intolerant troll-hunting’ comment.
It is I who is sad, Richard.
John