4 May 2013
IPCC Secretariat, Geneva
Gentlemen,
Request for correction of a serious inaccuracy in the contribution of Working Group 1 to the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report
As an Expert Reviewer for the Fifth Assessment Report, 2013, and in accordance with the IPCC Protocol for Addressing Possible Errors in IPCC Assessment Reports, I am writing to report a serious inaccuracy in the contribution of Working Group I to the Fourth Assessment Report, 2007. As a result of the inaccuracy, one of the report’s central conclusions was inappropriately drawn. The inaccuracy could have been avoided in the context of the information available at the time the report was written. It does not reflect new knowledge, scientific information, additional sources or a mere difference of opinion. I request that the inaccuracy be corrected and the correction published in the Errata for Working Group I’s contribution to the Fourth Assessment Report. No such correction currently appears in the Errata.
The error lies in a graph of the HadCRUt global temperature anomalies from 1850-2005, which appears twice in the Fourth Assessment Report. The graph purports to show, but does not show, that the rate of global warming has been accelerating and that the accelerated global warming is anthropogenic.
I understand that the graph as submitted to the IPCC Secretariat in the scientists’ final draft of the Fourth Assessment Report was substantially as it appears below (though axial notations are mine):
The above graph appears correct. It should be restored in place of the seriously inaccurate version that was substituted for it in at least two places in the Fourth Assessment Report.
The inaccurate version of the graph first appears in Chapter 3, Observations: Surface and Atmospheric Climate Change, of the contribution of Working Group 1 to the Fourth Assessment Report, where it is labelled “Frequently Asked Questions FAQ 3.1, Figure 1”. It is reproduced below:
The caption (in part) reads as follows:
“… Annual global mean observed temperatures from the HadCRUt3 dataset (black dots) along with simple fits to the data. The left hand axis shows anomalies relative to the 1961 to 1990 average and the right hand axis shows the estimated actual temperature (°C). Linear trend fits to the last 25 (yellow), 50 (orange), 100 (purple) and 150 years (red) are shown, and correspond to 1981-2005, 1956-2005, 1906-2005, and 1856-2005, respectively. Note that for shorter recent periods, the slope is greater, indicating accelerated warming. The blue curve is a smoothed depiction to capture the decadal variations. To give an idea of whether the fluctuations are meaningful, decadal 5% to 95% (light blue) error ranges about that line are given (accordingly, annual values do exceed those limits). Results from climate models driven by estimated radiative forcings for the 20th century (Chapter 9) suggest that there was little change prior to about 1915, and that a substantial fraction of the early 20th-century change was contributed by naturally occurring influences including solar radiation changes, volcanism and natural variability. From about 1940 to 1970 the increasing industrialisation following World War II increased pollution in the Northern Hemisphere, contributing to cooling, and increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases dominate the observed warming after the mid-1970s …”
The text accompanying the defective diagram says, inter alia –
“An increasing rate of warming has taken place over the last 25 years …”
The diagram also appears in the Technical Summary, where the accompanying text says, inter alia –
“The rate of warming averaged over the last 50 years (0.13°C ± 0.03°C per decade) is nearly twice that for the last 100 years.”
My note of a lecture by Dr. Rajendra Pachauri at the University of New South Wales five years ago indicates that he displayed the offending diagram, explained that it showed “surface temperature going back to the beginning of industrialization” [actually only to 1850], and commented as follows –
“… In recent years this graph has become much steeper. If you draw a line through the last 100 years, the slope is a 0.74 C° line. But if you look at the last 50 years, [it is] almost twice as steep as the total 100-year period. So it would be appropriate to conclude that we are now at a stage where warming is taking place much faster … So I’d like to emphasize the fact that we are at a stage where warming is taking place at a much faster rate, and clearly if we don’t bring about some changes we’d have much faster changes in future.”
Dr. Pachauri’s citation of and commentary upon the graph indicate that it is at the very heart of the IPCC’s central message that the rate of warming is itself accelerating. By implication, Dr. Pachauri attributes the acceleration to us when he says that we shall have to “bring about some changes” or there will be “much faster changes in future”.
This particular message of the IPCC has been widely reproduced in the news media and, in particular, in the science journals. For instance, the December 2007 edition of Physics Today displays this diagram, and only this diagram, when praising Al Gore and the IPCC for winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
The defective graph has also been relied upon by agencies of government, such as the US Environmental Protection Agency, which displays it prominently in the Technical Support Document accompanying its December 2009 finding, carefully timed to coincide with the Copenhagen climate conference, that CO2 and five other classes of greenhouse gas are an “endangerment” to human health.
The EPA continued to rely upon the graph even after having received the following plainly-worded warning from the South-Eastern Legal Foundation, acting on behalf of clients –
“The graph, like most others in your documentation, was lifted from a document of the IPCC – its 2007 assessment report. The graph purports to demonstrate, but does not in reality demonstrate, that the rate of “global warming” is itself increasing. No reasonable agency of government, acting responsibly and with due scientific competence and impartiality, would have unquestioningly reproduced such a graph. No competent and genuinely independent peer-reviewer would have sanctioned the use of this graph. However, not one of the 11 ‘Federal expert reviewers’ whom you chose informed you that this graph was an instance of a well-known statistical fallacy. One of the ‘expert’ reviewers was the lead author of the IPCC document in which the defective graph first appeared.
“It is instances such as this that underline the lack of wisdom of your repetition of the defective and highly-politicized analyses issued by the IPCC, and of your failure to ensure that genuinely independent scientific reviewers were invited to scrutinize your documentation to prevent you from merely repeating bad scientific errors such as that which the IPCC’s bogus graph represents.”
As the EPA’s Technical Support Document itself admits (though with characteristically self-serving illogicality it ignores its own admission in the remainder of the same sentence) –
“Trends may be sensitive to changes of start date in a time series …”
The EPA refused to remove the defective graph, as it should have done.
Be that as it may, the EPA’s citation of the defective graph illustrates the considerable influence it has had on public policy. Indeed, it has also had an adverse influence on the standing of the IPCC. When I showed the graph to the Republican caucus of the Ways and Means Committee of the US Congress when giving testimony before the Committee some years ago, the then ranking member of the Committee said at once, “They can’t have done that!” He turned to his colleagues and said:
“Gentlemen, we have seen all that we need to see about whether any reliance can be placed on the work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”
That was the moment when the Republican Party in the US decided that it would no longer support the Democrats in their belief that the IPCC’s science could be relied upon and that, therefore, Man was exercising a potentially damaging influence on global climate.
The reasons why the graph as published is defective follow. Much of the analysis may seem trivial, but the aim is to make the argument as accessible as possible to officials of the IPCC and of governments who finalize the IPCC’s reports but may not have a background in elementary statistics.
On any curve of a time-series representing stochastic data (from the Greek στόχос, “a guess”, since stochastic data are inherently volatile and unpredictable, following no discernible pattern), an artful choice of endpoints for a set including more than one least-squares linear-regression trend permits fabrication, at will, of any desired spurious acceleration or deceleration in the trend.
It will now be shown, using the same IPCC technique on the same data but carefully selecting different endpoints, that it is possible to generate opposite results, demonstrating the technique to be defective.
In the diagram below, the slope of the IPCC’s trend-line for 1905-2005 (here shown as an arrowed green line) is half the slope of the trend-line for 1905-1945:
It would be as inappropriate to draw from the carefully-chosen trend-lines on the above graph the conclusion that the rate of global warming has decelerated as it was for the IPCC to draw from its artfully-chosen trend-lines the opposite conclusion that the rate of global warming is accelerating. The example is given to illustrate the falsity of the IPCC’s technique, and to show how easily one may obtain any desired result by a capricious but careful choice of endpoints for multiple trend-lines.
By way of a heuristic to demonstrate why the technique used by the IPCC is an abuse of statistical method, consider a sine-wave, propagated horizontally from left to right ad infinitum. A segment of the wave is shown here. The slope of the curve is by definition zero –
Or is it zero? We take a short segment of the sine-wave terminating at some local minimum (at right, above), and calculate four overlapping least-squares linear-regression trends on the data in that segment, each terminating at that rightward minimum.
The first trend-line in the graph below covers the whole segment that is displayed, but the starting-points of the three remaining trend-lines are carefully chosen, starting successively closer to the endpoint of the displayed segment of the curve:
Each successively-commencing trend-line – the red, the purple, the orange and the yellow – has a steeper slope than its predecessor, just as in the IPCC’s graph. On this evidence, the curve of the sine-wave seems not merely to be following a falling trend, but a falling trend that is in an accelerated and ever-more-precipitate decline.
Yet it is self-evident that the true long-run trend of a sine-wave is zero by definition. For this reason, the statistical technique is unquestionably false, as may be confirmed by shifting the phase of the sine-wave by half a cycle to right or left:
If the trend-lines are repositioned, the graph now appears to exhibit not merely a rising trend but an ever-more-rapidly climbing trend, the opposite of the (equally false) result that was obtained previously.
Where, then, lies the truth about the trend in mean global surface temperatures over the past century and a half? Remove most of the trend-lines from the IPCC’s deceptive graph, and replace them with trend-lines marking the periods of the most rapid warming during the period that persisted for more than a decade.
This technique is legitimate: a narrow and straightforward question is being asked about which periods exhibited the fastest supra-decadal warming rate during the instrumental record.
The rate of warming in the 26 years 1975-2001 (during which, at least in theory, humankind’s emissions of CO2 might have been sufficient to exercise some small influence on the global temperature trend) is not unique. During two previous periods – 1860-1880 and 1910-1940 – the warming rate was identical, within the measurement uncertainty shown on the graph, to that from 1975-2001. Yet it is agreed among all parties that we cannot have had any measurable effect on temperature trends in the two earlier periods.
On 23 April, 2009, Lord Leach of Fairfield asked Her Majesty’s Government –
“… whether the rate of increase in global mean surface temperatures between 1975 and 1998 [His Lordship chose that date rather than 2001] was similar to the rates of increase observed between 1860 and 1880 and between 1910 and 1940 …”
Lord Hunt of King’s Heath replied –
“Observations collated at the Met Office Hadley Centre and the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit indicate that the rate of increase in global average surface temperature between 1975 and 1998 was similar to the rates of increase observed between 1860 and 1880 and between 1910 and 1940 (approximately 0.16 C° per decade).
“This observation has no implications for our policy on anthropogenic warming. Little can be deduced from relatively short trends in the temperature record taken in isolation from the overall picture. …”
Yet the IPCC, in its defective graph, had indeed sought to deduce from a “relatively short trend” in the data – namely, the last 25 years – that the magnitude of the trend was exceptional, when, as Her Majesty’s Government were compelled to admit upon questioning, the trend over that period had two previous precedents occurring at approximately 60-year intervals in the 150-year instrumental record:
Surely the correct conclusion is that – so far, at any rate – there is no discernible human influence on global temperature: merely a continuation of the recovery of global temperatures from the Little Ice Age (a recovery that began 300 years ago), overlaid by a ~60-year periodicity in global temperature that appears to exhibit some correlation (not necessarily causative) with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation Index.
None of these considerations rule out a gentle (though not yet plainly detectable) influence on global temperature from rising CO2 concentrations. However, examination of the 163-year record of global mean surface temperature anomalies does appear to indicate –
Ø that there has been no acceleration in the warming rate, which, at its supra-decadal maximum from 1976-2001, was no greater than in 1860-1880 or 1910-1940;
Ø that most of the warming from 1950 to date must have been caused not by us but by natural variability in the climate, perhaps including the Pacific Decadal Oscillation; and
Ø that the mean decadal warming rate of 0.38 C°/decade that the IPCC predicts for the next 87 years as its central estimate on the A2 emissions scenario is almost two and a half times the maximum decadal warming rate observed over the past 161 years, which was just 0.16 C°/decade.
The last conclusion raises questions about the reliability of the IPCC’s perhaps excessive central climate-sensitivity estimate. The trend on the arithmetic mean of the RSS and UAH satellite monthly global mean lower-troposphere temperature anomalies from January 2001 to April 2013 shows no acceleration in the rate of warming. Instead, for 12 years the trend has been statistically indistinguishable from zero:
Dr. Pachauri, the science chairman of the IPCC, admitted in Melbourne early in 2013 that there had been a 17-year “pause” in global warming. I reported the defective IPCC graph in person and in writing to him some time ago, but, though he could not fault my analysis, he has not had the graph corrected.
Bearing in mind the very substantial sums that the IPCC is receiving on the pretext inter alia of its inappropriate conclusion from the defective graph that the rate of warming is accelerating and that we are to blame for the acceleration, the IPCC’s continued reliance upon the defective graph in its Fourth Assessment Report, on its website and in several lectures by its science chairman may constitute fraud.
On the advice of a barrister and also of a judge of the New Zealand Supreme Court, police are shortly to be invited to consider whether the continued use of the IPCC’s defective graph by the Victoria University of Wellington on its public website constitutes fraud. Therefore, I should be grateful if you would let me know if I have misunderstood anything, and, if so, explain why the IPCC considers it justifiable, on the basis of the relative slopes of multiple arbitrarily-chosen trend-lines, to draw the conclusion that the rate of global warming is accelerating and that we are to blame, when the observed data suggest no such acceleration. Otherwise, I should be grateful if you would simply correct the defective graph.
The IPCC cannot be expected to be taken seriously if apparently criminal dishonesties of this magnitude are persisted in and widely cited both by senior IPCC officials and by third parties allied to or supportive of the IPCC even long after the dishonesties have been drawn to its attention.
Copies of this letter go to the Minister for Climate Change in the House of Lords and to the Economic Affairs Committee of the House, which has taken an active interest in the errors of scientific rigour which have arisen because the IPCC is not a scientific body but a political entity whose founding document obliges it to act upon the questionable assumption that Man’s influence on the Earth’s climate will prove catastrophic unless it be radically abated.
Yours faithfully,
Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
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Interesting question Greg House @May 4, 2013 at 4:09 pm , yes it was wrong then, and for mine it’s completely right for Christopher Monckton to point out again how wrong that bias insertion was, in terms of damage to the reputation of the IPCC, and of no credit to those that allowed their personal bias to overide the integrity of science.
The IPCC appears to be on the brink of a similar catastrophic integrity error, due to the anxiety and bias of those pushing an agenda instead of the scientific method, by allowing non peer reviewed contraversial data, or at the least highly criticized assumptions, to be similarly inserted to further another political agenda, rather than secure the integrity of IPCC science. Short term headlines for long term shame.
The whole world is looking this time, and scientists who know better are prepared to speak out against the political agenda, and in defence of the scientific method. The world has moved on since 2009 and C02 is not the excuse anymore.
Terry Oldberg May 4, 2013 3:58 pm
Now I will tell you one. Did you know that it is impossible to get anywhere because we are always crossing an infinite number of halfway points? First we travel half the distance then half the remaining distance and then half the remaining distance ad infinitum? Your argument just needed proper context. Your argument is Greek to me.
Eugene WR Gallun
Eugene WR Gallun:
I’d be happy to amplify my remarks if you’ll give me a clue to your perplexity. A recitation of your background in mathematical statistics would help.
Dr Norman Page says:
May 4, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Check also “30 year climate forecast – 2 year update ” on my site to see how close I came to forecasting the recent weather in the USA.
You were right on! Now, you could bold a few more things such as In California the PDO will mean less rainfall with more forest fires in the south. and Northern Hemisphere growing seasons will be shorter with occasional early and late frosts
If that chart were drawn to the end of 2012, instead of 2005, the 25-year period (yellow line) starting in 1988 would have a lesser slope than the 50-year period starting in 1963. Some WUWTer ought to construct such a chart, as a comeuppance to those alarmists who have cited it.
If we get another seven flat years, we might get a 1997-2019 chart with a lesser slope than the 100-year chart. The we could say, “The warm is turning!”
DirkH: Just a short answer, as the natives appear to be getting restless and it’s probably best if I make my retreat. No, I have no problems whatsoever with Kirchoff’s law; emissivity is equal to absorptivity, most definitely. That doesn’t mean that every atom that absorbs a photon has to emit a photon again (if that were the case, we’d be blind and photosynthesis would be impossible); the energy can be transferred into another form. The odds of collision between a CO2 molecule and a nitrogen molecule, I think I may have phrased poorly. Any molecule in the gas will have a ~21% of colliding with a oxygen molecule, a ~78% of hitting a nitrogen, and ~1% of hitting anything else. An N2 molecule, then, is most likely to collide with another N2 molecule, because it’s got the greatest partial pressure. A CO2 molecule is ALSO most likely to collide with an N2 molecule, for the same reason. You will have, overall, the same number of N2-CO2 and CO2-N2 collisions–but given the vast sea of N2 and the minute quantity of CO2, you won’t have the same number of CO2*–>N2 and N2*–>CO2 collisions. Instead, an N2* is far more likely to hit another N2 molecule and transfer energy to it than to hit a CO2 molecule and return the energy to a form that can be emitted as radiation.
…”Short.” Heh. ‘Night, all. I appear to be somewhat incapable of restraining myself.
KenB says (May 4, 2013 at 7:47 pm): “Interesting question Greg House @May 4, 2013 at 4:09 pm , yes it was wrong then, and for mine it’s completely right for Christopher Monckton to point out again how wrong that bias insertion was, …”
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This was not my point. My point is why he waited for more than 3 years. The thing is not new to him, he has already made the same point in 2009. He could have sent many letters on this matter since then, but he did not.
And he does not say the data was made up any more, this is interesting, too.
Sam Yates & Plain Richard
Why do you believe the things SkS and Real Climate have to say? Because what they say is never refuted? Why is it never refuted? Because anyone who does attempt to refute it with comprehensible argument is banned from the sites and their comments “disappeared”. They let the occasional crazy post — as a convenient “straw man” they can knock down — but serious refutations of the pseudo-science on those sites is not allowed.
Didn’t you know that?
And you are worried about being banned here? What a laugh! About the only thing that can get you banned here is endlessly referencing to Nazis — which Anthony Watts seems to have a bug about.
SkS and Real climate are held in low esteem here because quite a few people here have had their posts “disappeared” and been banned or what is even worse — had their comments altered by the moderators to say something which they never said!
Those sites believe in presenting “consensus”. Dissenters are not welcome.
The people who post articles here are highly intelligent people. The people who comment on this site rang from the truly brilliant to people like myself who are dog dumb. So the comments on your comments are going to vary quite a bit
Both of you seems to be people who are filled up with a lot of misinformation that you uncritically spout. Stick around and maybe you will learn something.
Eugene WR Gallun
@ur momisugly d b: Billions of $ have been spent in thousands of research projects world wide to “prove” CO2 caused global warming. The money has been wasted, the research has failed in spite of thefact the person who discovered this improbable result would become world famous. In view of the obvious fact the global warmists lie at every turn, if they even had any remotely plausible research they would trumpet from the rooftops. They don’t and they don’t. QED. They have not a leg to stand on.
Greg House says:
” My point is why he waited for more than 3 years. The thing is not new to him, he has already made the same point in 2009. ”
This is nonsense. The point has been made frequently before and throughout that period. Nobody has waited.
Of course the fact that the IPCC will issue an update in the near future, makes this an obvious time to, once more, suggest corrections. If anybody is listening.
Terry Oldberg
You were doing pure bullshit and nothing else.
Eugene WR Gallun
Greg House, I realise you would ignore the point in my post, that the IPCC is poised to make the similar decision on what to include and what not to include. Perhaps you might like to look at the PAGES2K paper and others mentioned at http://climateaudit.org/ even the Gergis regurgitation hovering in the background. If lead authors push to include information according to their wishes over expert reviewers is your point of any value at all, My point still stands that this is quite appropriate timing to seriously remind the IPCC of what is at stake, and that many scientists are watching to see if the IPCC is anything other than a political cabal pushing its own agenda, and therefore subject to political aims rather than pure science.
Perhaps you might like to comment on those points, or do you support the PAGES2K use of contaminated data, and the Gergis mistakes.?
Roger Knights says:
May 4, 2013 at 7:59 pm
If that chart were drawn to the end of 2012, instead of 2005, the 25-year period (yellow line) starting in 1988 would have a lesser slope than the 50-year period starting in 1963. Some WUWTer ought to construct such a chart, as a comeuppance to those alarmists who have cited it.
There is very little difference. However there may be more difference if Hadcrut3 were updated past November 2012. See:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/last:600/plot/hadcrut3gl/last:600/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/last:300/trend
I might point out that the Noble prize originated from the person who made a large part of his money from the discovery of modern explosives (TNT from memory); a certain Mr Noble.
Rarely has there been such an invention which has caused as much industrial benefit, yet so much pain and suffering; and one might also note a certain irony with regards to the awarding of the peace prize to the IPCC, for its work on ‘climate change’.
wbrozek says:
May 4, 2013 at 4:35 pm
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The ‘global’ nomenclature is a political ruse to allow the argument that we are ALL in it together and we must ALL act if we are to prevent ‘global’ disaster. However, in reality, it is all a matter of regional or local variations, ie., some areas of the globe are warming, some are in stasis and some are cooling. Logic would suggest that we should be most concerned as to what is happening to the areas in which mankind predominantly inhabits. After all the only ‘global’ consequence is sea level rise, which if happening appears to be happening at a very slow and not accellerating rate such that adapation to sea level rise is the best solution for any country that may be adversely affected by sea level rise (not all countries will be, or at any rate only in certain regional stretches of their coast line).
As far as the UK is concerned, CET suggests that there has been about 0.5degC coooling since 2000. More significantly for the winter months, the fall in temperature is about 1.5degC since 2000. As far as the UK is concerned, it is this fact that should be of utmost relevance to the UK government and what policies it might need to have in place because of a cooling climate.
I suspect that CET data is typical of a significant part of Northern Europe but no doubt each major country will (or should) have regard to its own data set for their country.
As far as the US is concerned, it should have regard to its own data set. It is this that will impact upon food production and energy usage etc.
Please consider whether in your forthcoming post you can additionally look at the position from a regional basis, at any rate on continental scale or preferrably in even smaller regional areas.
In passing, I point out that if CO2 is a well mixed gas, it cannot in itself explain these regional variations.
Plain Richard:
I note that your post at May 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm repeated a silly point but
IGNORED MY QUESTION.
I repeat
Are you obtaining remuneration for you being an anonymous troll.
Richard
kadaka 9.28 am.
Sorry, but I have carefully looked at the whole sorry saga of Climate Alchemy from my background as a Metallurgical Engineer, a lot of the time modelling and measuring GHG-related heat treatment processes, and my PhD is in Applied Physics.
The fact is, basic radiative equilibrium physics requires that the local rate of heat generation is the negative of the gradient of radiation flux density, so idiotic ideas like ‘back radiation’ go out of the window. It’s because at an optical heterogeneity the incoherent wave front from the atmosphere to the surface at the same or higher temperature is on average annihilated at the interface, and from a quirk of physics the black body main GHG thermal bands switch off that emission from the surface.
This is why there can be no CO2-AGW from that cause: there can be no rebuttal of this basic physics which us engineers use every day to solve real problems.
As for the other possibility, the CO2 ‘OLR bite’, it can only work if there is no countervailing cooling process putting extra energy to space as the CO2 increases. There is such a process and my calculations are within 5% with no frigging the books by false data as Climate Alchemy has to do.
So, I will not accept the majority view because that view is based on many physics’ mistakes, I count 13 some of which Climate Alchemy doesn’t realise are there, it’s embarrassing. Sagan made a big one. Houghton 3 more. Then we had Trenberth and the meteorologists with phony ‘back radiation’ and so the fraud developed, layer upon layer of correction with at the end of 2011, Hansen claiming we can’t see AGW because it’s exactly hidden by aerosols causing clouds to reflect more solar energy.
The reality is that the real AGW has been from the low level clouds letting more energy in, and the process has now saturated. The proof that CO2 has no effect is the Faint sun Paradox and the period 450 million years ago when 12 times present CO2 coexisted with ice ages.
So, please accept that most of the Climate Alchemy literature is easily proved to be wrong. The clear sky atmospheric greenhouse factor is the product of incorrect boundary conditions. There can be no direct thermalisation of absorbed IR energy >LTE; basic statistical thermodynamics. It’s time to start the modelling from scratch with competent heat generation and heat transfer physics.
AlecM:
Currently available climate models convey no information to policy makers on CO2 emissions about the outcomes from their policy decisions. Were we to start over from scratch, it would be crucial for this shortcoming to be corrected for the models would otherwise be useless.
However there are practical limitations on our ability to accomplish this goal. Experience in building long range weather forecasting models suggests the need for upward of 150 observed events in building and validating a model. The standard in climatology is for an event to last 30 years but the global temperature record from 1850 contains only between 5 and 6 such events.
AlecM: I’m afraid I don’t quite understand some of your arguments. Would you mind elaborating on your statement “It’s because at an optical heterogeneity the incoherent wave front from the atmosphere to the surface at the same or higher temperature is on average annihilated at the interface, and from a quirk of physics the black body main GHG thermal bands switch off that emission from the surface?” What is this quirk, exactly?
If you don’t mind, I’d also greatly appreciate a bit more detail on the countervailing cooling process that you claim counters the increase in CO2.
Sam Yates:
In your post at May 5, 2013 at 8:26 am you ask AlecM:
There does not need to be one because any warming from any possible “increase in CO2” is so small as to be indiscernible.
Your words quoted by Mike Jonas demonstrate that you are not interested in the science of this issue. I provide a link which jumps to his post which quotes your words in case you have forgotten
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/04/monckton-asks-ipcc-for-correction-to-ar4/#comment-1297380
However, there may be people who have not been deterred by the trolls so are still here and want the explanation so I will post it again here.
The feedbacks in the climate system are negative and, therefore, any effect of increased CO2 will be too small to discern. This concurs with the empirically determined values of low climate sensitivity obtained by Idso, by Lindzen&Choi, etc..
In other words, the man-made global warming from man’s emissions of greenhouse gases (GHG) would be much smaller than natural fluctuations in global temperature so it would be physically impossible to detect the man-made global warming.
Of course, human activities have some effect on global temperature for several reasons. For example, cities are warmer than the land around them, so cities cause some warming. But the temperature rise from cities is too small to be detected when averaged over the entire surface of the planet, although this global warming from cities can be estimated by measuring the warming of all cities and their areas.
Similarly, the global warming from man’s GHG emissions would be too small to be detected. Indeed, because climate sensitivity is less than 1 deg.C for a doubling of CO2 equivalent, it is physically impossible for the man-made global warming to be large enough to be detected. If something exists but is too small to be detected then it only has an abstract existence; it does not have a discernible existence that has effects (observation of the effects would be its detection).
I hold this view because I am an empiricist so I accept whatever is indicated by data obtained from observation of the real world.
Empirical – n.b. not model-derived – determinations indicate climate sensitivity is less than 1.0deg.C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent. This is indicated by the studies of
Idso from surface measurements
http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/Idso_CR_1998.pdf
and Lindzen & Choi from ERBE satellite data
http://www.drroyspencer.com/Lindzen-and-Choi-GRL-2009.pdf
and Gregory from balloon radiosonde data
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/OLR&NGF_June2011.pdf
Climate sensitivity is less than 1.0 deg.C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration and, therefore, any effect on global temperature of increase to atmospheric CO2 concentration only has an abstract existence; it does not have a discernible existence that has observable effects.
Richard
richardscourtney:
As I’ve pointed out in many previous threads and in a peer reviewed articl, the climate sensitivity (aka equilibrium climate sensitivity) is a scientifically illegitimate concept. Why not put this particular issue to rest?
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Terry Oldberg,
Your comments over time in various threads have consistently provided me with thoughtful moments. Usually wrt the philosophy of science. Thanks.
Regarding your above comment, do you think that time series data is innately different than other types of data? That is, can a statistician look at a unidentified anonymous dataset (without labeled units of measurement) and tell whether it is a time series data set or not?
This question is one I am doing in preparation work in advance of the possibility of me attending the conference ‘First International Workshop on Econometric Applications in Climatology’ at the University of Guelph in early June which is co-sponsored by Ross McKitrick. I would appreciate your thoughts.
John
John Whitman:
Thanks for the kind words!
To respond to your question, both variables have units of measure. Thus, both of them are quantitative. Time is quantitative. Under this circumstance, I don’t know of a test by which one could determine through inspection of the data whether one of the two variables is time.
farmerbraun says (May 4, 2013 at 9:06 pm): “Greg House says:
” My point is why he waited for more than 3 years. The thing is not new to him, he has already made the same point in 2009. ”
This is nonsense. The point has been made frequently before and throughout that period. Nobody has waited.”
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About who waited or not here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/04/monckton-asks-ipcc-for-correction-to-ar4/#comment-1297360
richard verney says:
May 5, 2013 at 1:57 am
Please consider whether in your forthcoming post you can additionally look at the position from a regional basis, at any rate on continental scale or preferably in even smaller regional areas.
I agree with everything you have said. I also agree that what you mentioned above is a very important topic. However my post is already basically done. All of my four posts so far basically give updates on 6 data sets with respect to rank, no warming and no significant warming. See my latest post at:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/08/are-climate-models-realistic-now-includes-at-least-february-data/
The only additions for the next post, after the introduction, will be that I will give the March and April data, (and possibly May for the satellite data since they come out so fast.)
At the moment, I am very happy with my niche here at WUWT and I am not looking for a new one.
The trolls bombing this thread have lost more than skin in their CO2 controlled climitism craze.
Deceitful diversion and other tactics will no longer work. Your trashing of learning by observation is over.
The UN IPCC has thought it is mightier than all.
Monckton`s content in this post is just a part of what the public will know before too long.
The course of nature is underminding CACW. We will continue to observe natures trends and events in the future. CO2 is not a pollutant. We have much more to learn and those who have hindered us are being set aside.
Terry Oldberg:
At May 5, 2013 at 1:24 pm you ask me
richardscourtney:
To label me as a “nuisance” is an example of an ad hominem argument. As everyone knows that an ad hominem argument is logically illegitimate, when a debater stoops to making one this is a sign that he or she is cornered but lacks the decency to capitulate. Why not raise your standing in the community by capitulating now?
OOps formatting again! Sorry,
Quotation should have ended after ” rest”
Richard
Terry Oldberg:
In answer to your question to me I provided a clear exposition of your nonsense.
As part of that answer, I wrote
You have replied to my answer to your question saying in total
Anybody who reads what I wrote can see I did NOT call you a nuisance but stated – with example – that your behaviour is a nuisance, and I did NOT use an ad hom..
Obviously, you do not have any excuse for the points I made in answer to your question, and you have tried to use bluster as a ladder to get you out of the hole you dug.
Why not stop telling lies and stop trolling WUWT threads with your twaddle?
Richard
richardscourney:
Witnesses to the debate over the existence or non-existence of the equilibrium climate sensitivity may find it interesting that farmerbraun understands the equilibrium climate sensitivity to be non-existent and explains his reasoning. His reasoning is similar to mine. You, on the other hand, understand the equilibrium climate sensitivity to be existent but are incapable of explaining your reasoning.
By the way, by labelling me a “troll” you’ve lowered your stature once again by issuing another ad hominem argument. Are you aware of the law on this type of behavior?