4 May 2013
IPCC Secretariat, Geneva
Gentlemen,
Request for correction of a serious inaccuracy in the contribution of Working Group 1 to the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report
As an Expert Reviewer for the Fifth Assessment Report, 2013, and in accordance with the IPCC Protocol for Addressing Possible Errors in IPCC Assessment Reports, I am writing to report a serious inaccuracy in the contribution of Working Group I to the Fourth Assessment Report, 2007. As a result of the inaccuracy, one of the report’s central conclusions was inappropriately drawn. The inaccuracy could have been avoided in the context of the information available at the time the report was written. It does not reflect new knowledge, scientific information, additional sources or a mere difference of opinion. I request that the inaccuracy be corrected and the correction published in the Errata for Working Group I’s contribution to the Fourth Assessment Report. No such correction currently appears in the Errata.
The error lies in a graph of the HadCRUt global temperature anomalies from 1850-2005, which appears twice in the Fourth Assessment Report. The graph purports to show, but does not show, that the rate of global warming has been accelerating and that the accelerated global warming is anthropogenic.
I understand that the graph as submitted to the IPCC Secretariat in the scientists’ final draft of the Fourth Assessment Report was substantially as it appears below (though axial notations are mine):
The above graph appears correct. It should be restored in place of the seriously inaccurate version that was substituted for it in at least two places in the Fourth Assessment Report.
The inaccurate version of the graph first appears in Chapter 3, Observations: Surface and Atmospheric Climate Change, of the contribution of Working Group 1 to the Fourth Assessment Report, where it is labelled “Frequently Asked Questions FAQ 3.1, Figure 1”. It is reproduced below:
The caption (in part) reads as follows:
“… Annual global mean observed temperatures from the HadCRUt3 dataset (black dots) along with simple fits to the data. The left hand axis shows anomalies relative to the 1961 to 1990 average and the right hand axis shows the estimated actual temperature (°C). Linear trend fits to the last 25 (yellow), 50 (orange), 100 (purple) and 150 years (red) are shown, and correspond to 1981-2005, 1956-2005, 1906-2005, and 1856-2005, respectively. Note that for shorter recent periods, the slope is greater, indicating accelerated warming. The blue curve is a smoothed depiction to capture the decadal variations. To give an idea of whether the fluctuations are meaningful, decadal 5% to 95% (light blue) error ranges about that line are given (accordingly, annual values do exceed those limits). Results from climate models driven by estimated radiative forcings for the 20th century (Chapter 9) suggest that there was little change prior to about 1915, and that a substantial fraction of the early 20th-century change was contributed by naturally occurring influences including solar radiation changes, volcanism and natural variability. From about 1940 to 1970 the increasing industrialisation following World War II increased pollution in the Northern Hemisphere, contributing to cooling, and increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases dominate the observed warming after the mid-1970s …”
The text accompanying the defective diagram says, inter alia –
“An increasing rate of warming has taken place over the last 25 years …”
The diagram also appears in the Technical Summary, where the accompanying text says, inter alia –
“The rate of warming averaged over the last 50 years (0.13°C ± 0.03°C per decade) is nearly twice that for the last 100 years.”
My note of a lecture by Dr. Rajendra Pachauri at the University of New South Wales five years ago indicates that he displayed the offending diagram, explained that it showed “surface temperature going back to the beginning of industrialization” [actually only to 1850], and commented as follows –
“… In recent years this graph has become much steeper. If you draw a line through the last 100 years, the slope is a 0.74 C° line. But if you look at the last 50 years, [it is] almost twice as steep as the total 100-year period. So it would be appropriate to conclude that we are now at a stage where warming is taking place much faster … So I’d like to emphasize the fact that we are at a stage where warming is taking place at a much faster rate, and clearly if we don’t bring about some changes we’d have much faster changes in future.”
Dr. Pachauri’s citation of and commentary upon the graph indicate that it is at the very heart of the IPCC’s central message that the rate of warming is itself accelerating. By implication, Dr. Pachauri attributes the acceleration to us when he says that we shall have to “bring about some changes” or there will be “much faster changes in future”.
This particular message of the IPCC has been widely reproduced in the news media and, in particular, in the science journals. For instance, the December 2007 edition of Physics Today displays this diagram, and only this diagram, when praising Al Gore and the IPCC for winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
The defective graph has also been relied upon by agencies of government, such as the US Environmental Protection Agency, which displays it prominently in the Technical Support Document accompanying its December 2009 finding, carefully timed to coincide with the Copenhagen climate conference, that CO2 and five other classes of greenhouse gas are an “endangerment” to human health.
The EPA continued to rely upon the graph even after having received the following plainly-worded warning from the South-Eastern Legal Foundation, acting on behalf of clients –
“The graph, like most others in your documentation, was lifted from a document of the IPCC – its 2007 assessment report. The graph purports to demonstrate, but does not in reality demonstrate, that the rate of “global warming” is itself increasing. No reasonable agency of government, acting responsibly and with due scientific competence and impartiality, would have unquestioningly reproduced such a graph. No competent and genuinely independent peer-reviewer would have sanctioned the use of this graph. However, not one of the 11 ‘Federal expert reviewers’ whom you chose informed you that this graph was an instance of a well-known statistical fallacy. One of the ‘expert’ reviewers was the lead author of the IPCC document in which the defective graph first appeared.
“It is instances such as this that underline the lack of wisdom of your repetition of the defective and highly-politicized analyses issued by the IPCC, and of your failure to ensure that genuinely independent scientific reviewers were invited to scrutinize your documentation to prevent you from merely repeating bad scientific errors such as that which the IPCC’s bogus graph represents.”
As the EPA’s Technical Support Document itself admits (though with characteristically self-serving illogicality it ignores its own admission in the remainder of the same sentence) –
“Trends may be sensitive to changes of start date in a time series …”
The EPA refused to remove the defective graph, as it should have done.
Be that as it may, the EPA’s citation of the defective graph illustrates the considerable influence it has had on public policy. Indeed, it has also had an adverse influence on the standing of the IPCC. When I showed the graph to the Republican caucus of the Ways and Means Committee of the US Congress when giving testimony before the Committee some years ago, the then ranking member of the Committee said at once, “They can’t have done that!” He turned to his colleagues and said:
“Gentlemen, we have seen all that we need to see about whether any reliance can be placed on the work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”
That was the moment when the Republican Party in the US decided that it would no longer support the Democrats in their belief that the IPCC’s science could be relied upon and that, therefore, Man was exercising a potentially damaging influence on global climate.
The reasons why the graph as published is defective follow. Much of the analysis may seem trivial, but the aim is to make the argument as accessible as possible to officials of the IPCC and of governments who finalize the IPCC’s reports but may not have a background in elementary statistics.
On any curve of a time-series representing stochastic data (from the Greek στόχос, “a guess”, since stochastic data are inherently volatile and unpredictable, following no discernible pattern), an artful choice of endpoints for a set including more than one least-squares linear-regression trend permits fabrication, at will, of any desired spurious acceleration or deceleration in the trend.
It will now be shown, using the same IPCC technique on the same data but carefully selecting different endpoints, that it is possible to generate opposite results, demonstrating the technique to be defective.
In the diagram below, the slope of the IPCC’s trend-line for 1905-2005 (here shown as an arrowed green line) is half the slope of the trend-line for 1905-1945:
It would be as inappropriate to draw from the carefully-chosen trend-lines on the above graph the conclusion that the rate of global warming has decelerated as it was for the IPCC to draw from its artfully-chosen trend-lines the opposite conclusion that the rate of global warming is accelerating. The example is given to illustrate the falsity of the IPCC’s technique, and to show how easily one may obtain any desired result by a capricious but careful choice of endpoints for multiple trend-lines.
By way of a heuristic to demonstrate why the technique used by the IPCC is an abuse of statistical method, consider a sine-wave, propagated horizontally from left to right ad infinitum. A segment of the wave is shown here. The slope of the curve is by definition zero –
Or is it zero? We take a short segment of the sine-wave terminating at some local minimum (at right, above), and calculate four overlapping least-squares linear-regression trends on the data in that segment, each terminating at that rightward minimum.
The first trend-line in the graph below covers the whole segment that is displayed, but the starting-points of the three remaining trend-lines are carefully chosen, starting successively closer to the endpoint of the displayed segment of the curve:
Each successively-commencing trend-line – the red, the purple, the orange and the yellow – has a steeper slope than its predecessor, just as in the IPCC’s graph. On this evidence, the curve of the sine-wave seems not merely to be following a falling trend, but a falling trend that is in an accelerated and ever-more-precipitate decline.
Yet it is self-evident that the true long-run trend of a sine-wave is zero by definition. For this reason, the statistical technique is unquestionably false, as may be confirmed by shifting the phase of the sine-wave by half a cycle to right or left:
If the trend-lines are repositioned, the graph now appears to exhibit not merely a rising trend but an ever-more-rapidly climbing trend, the opposite of the (equally false) result that was obtained previously.
Where, then, lies the truth about the trend in mean global surface temperatures over the past century and a half? Remove most of the trend-lines from the IPCC’s deceptive graph, and replace them with trend-lines marking the periods of the most rapid warming during the period that persisted for more than a decade.
This technique is legitimate: a narrow and straightforward question is being asked about which periods exhibited the fastest supra-decadal warming rate during the instrumental record.
The rate of warming in the 26 years 1975-2001 (during which, at least in theory, humankind’s emissions of CO2 might have been sufficient to exercise some small influence on the global temperature trend) is not unique. During two previous periods – 1860-1880 and 1910-1940 – the warming rate was identical, within the measurement uncertainty shown on the graph, to that from 1975-2001. Yet it is agreed among all parties that we cannot have had any measurable effect on temperature trends in the two earlier periods.
On 23 April, 2009, Lord Leach of Fairfield asked Her Majesty’s Government –
“… whether the rate of increase in global mean surface temperatures between 1975 and 1998 [His Lordship chose that date rather than 2001] was similar to the rates of increase observed between 1860 and 1880 and between 1910 and 1940 …”
Lord Hunt of King’s Heath replied –
“Observations collated at the Met Office Hadley Centre and the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit indicate that the rate of increase in global average surface temperature between 1975 and 1998 was similar to the rates of increase observed between 1860 and 1880 and between 1910 and 1940 (approximately 0.16 C° per decade).
“This observation has no implications for our policy on anthropogenic warming. Little can be deduced from relatively short trends in the temperature record taken in isolation from the overall picture. …”
Yet the IPCC, in its defective graph, had indeed sought to deduce from a “relatively short trend” in the data – namely, the last 25 years – that the magnitude of the trend was exceptional, when, as Her Majesty’s Government were compelled to admit upon questioning, the trend over that period had two previous precedents occurring at approximately 60-year intervals in the 150-year instrumental record:
Surely the correct conclusion is that – so far, at any rate – there is no discernible human influence on global temperature: merely a continuation of the recovery of global temperatures from the Little Ice Age (a recovery that began 300 years ago), overlaid by a ~60-year periodicity in global temperature that appears to exhibit some correlation (not necessarily causative) with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation Index.
None of these considerations rule out a gentle (though not yet plainly detectable) influence on global temperature from rising CO2 concentrations. However, examination of the 163-year record of global mean surface temperature anomalies does appear to indicate –
Ø that there has been no acceleration in the warming rate, which, at its supra-decadal maximum from 1976-2001, was no greater than in 1860-1880 or 1910-1940;
Ø that most of the warming from 1950 to date must have been caused not by us but by natural variability in the climate, perhaps including the Pacific Decadal Oscillation; and
Ø that the mean decadal warming rate of 0.38 C°/decade that the IPCC predicts for the next 87 years as its central estimate on the A2 emissions scenario is almost two and a half times the maximum decadal warming rate observed over the past 161 years, which was just 0.16 C°/decade.
The last conclusion raises questions about the reliability of the IPCC’s perhaps excessive central climate-sensitivity estimate. The trend on the arithmetic mean of the RSS and UAH satellite monthly global mean lower-troposphere temperature anomalies from January 2001 to April 2013 shows no acceleration in the rate of warming. Instead, for 12 years the trend has been statistically indistinguishable from zero:
Dr. Pachauri, the science chairman of the IPCC, admitted in Melbourne early in 2013 that there had been a 17-year “pause” in global warming. I reported the defective IPCC graph in person and in writing to him some time ago, but, though he could not fault my analysis, he has not had the graph corrected.
Bearing in mind the very substantial sums that the IPCC is receiving on the pretext inter alia of its inappropriate conclusion from the defective graph that the rate of warming is accelerating and that we are to blame for the acceleration, the IPCC’s continued reliance upon the defective graph in its Fourth Assessment Report, on its website and in several lectures by its science chairman may constitute fraud.
On the advice of a barrister and also of a judge of the New Zealand Supreme Court, police are shortly to be invited to consider whether the continued use of the IPCC’s defective graph by the Victoria University of Wellington on its public website constitutes fraud. Therefore, I should be grateful if you would let me know if I have misunderstood anything, and, if so, explain why the IPCC considers it justifiable, on the basis of the relative slopes of multiple arbitrarily-chosen trend-lines, to draw the conclusion that the rate of global warming is accelerating and that we are to blame, when the observed data suggest no such acceleration. Otherwise, I should be grateful if you would simply correct the defective graph.
The IPCC cannot be expected to be taken seriously if apparently criminal dishonesties of this magnitude are persisted in and widely cited both by senior IPCC officials and by third parties allied to or supportive of the IPCC even long after the dishonesties have been drawn to its attention.
Copies of this letter go to the Minister for Climate Change in the House of Lords and to the Economic Affairs Committee of the House, which has taken an active interest in the errors of scientific rigour which have arisen because the IPCC is not a scientific body but a political entity whose founding document obliges it to act upon the questionable assumption that Man’s influence on the Earth’s climate will prove catastrophic unless it be radically abated.
Yours faithfully,
Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
Richardscourtney, from your post at 6:18 I see you have a personal stake in the matter. But please stop telling other people what they may discuss or not.
“4 May 2013
IPCC Secretariat, Geneva
Gentlemen,
Request for correction of a serious inaccuracy in the contribution of Working Group 1 to the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report
I am writing to report a serious inaccuracy in the contribution of Working Group I to the Fourth Assessment Report, 2007. … The error lies in a graph of the HadCRUt global temperature anomalies from 1850-2005, which appears twice in the Fourth Assessment Report. … The inaccurate version of the graph first appears in Chapter 3 …The defective graph has also been relied upon by agencies of government …
Viscount Monckton of Brenchley”
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Christopher, you knew that the graph was bogus on December 17, 2009 already, as you wrote on this blog (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/17/lord-monckton-reports-on-pachauris-eye-opening-copenhagen-presentation/): “Next came the bogus graph, which is featured three times, large and in full color, in the IPCC’s 2007 climate assessment report. The graph is bogus not only because it relies on the made-up data from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia but also because it is overlain by four separate trend-lines, each with a start-date carefully selected to give the entirely false impression that the rate of warming over the past 150 years has itself been accelerating, especially between 1975 and 1998.”
Why did you decide to wait with the letter to the IPCC until yesterday?
Hrm. I think what you mean by trend line and what I mean by trend line are two different things. To me, a trend line is the line whose slope and intercept are such that the distances between the scattered, nonlinear data points and the line itself are minimized–or, alternatively, given a collection of individual data points, the trend line is the slope and intercept you get after forming every possible line in the data set (that is, every possible permutation of point joined to point) and then averaging them. It’s the average slope of the data, not a representation of the data itself, and so it doesn’t really matter whether the points are linear or not, at least mathematically speaking. Heck, you could take a function that you know to be nonlinear (x^2, to keep it simple) and set a trend line to it over some finite interval. That line would, of course, be useless for extrapolating outside the interval, but within it a point placed on the line would be more likely to fit somewhere along the x^2 slope than if you had just randomly placed a point somewhere in the same space.
…Or am I just going over extremely simple things that you’re already very familiar with? I’m sorry; as you can see, I still don’t quite get your explanation.
Sam Yates:
We’re talking about the same line. My ideas relate to yours through the fact that temperatures along this line are population means, provided that the line was positioned by minimization of the sum of the squared errors and the errors are normally distributed. (The “error” of a data point is the difference between the temperature and the corresponding population mean.)
That this line is straight implies that the population mean varies linearly with the time but this implication is insusceptible to being tested. Consequently, this line does not have a scientific existence.
Richardscourtney: But…I addressed your point, I thought? Or at least, I tried to, and did my best not to do anything else you might regard as derailing it. My point, stated simply, was that mathematically there is an acceleration, but the question of whether that acceleration is representative of a real physical process or not was a question that the graph was not trying to answer (that was assumed a priori, which I fancy you might take issue with, but then that would also be veering a little bit from the topic of the day). Thus, I’d hold that the graph is not some sort of horrific scientific fraud, and that Monckton’s overreacting. That, surely, is on topic?
…In any case, just a few quick notes: No statistically significant atmospheric warming (the oceans have been getting plenty toasty), trying to make a point out of that trend is not dissimilar to the very objection that Monckton makes to the trend lines applied to (far longer) timeseries, and finally I couldn’t find a specific statement in the link you provided supporting your position. If, again, you wouldn’t regard it as deflecting the conversation too much, would you mind pointing it out to me?
If I just quickly update the IPCC graph with most recent HADCRUT3 data at the WFT using the same arbitrary 25, 50, 100 and 150 years trends the warming already clearly decelerates the last 25 years. So the IPCC graph shouldn’t be corrected, but it should be fully retracted because the main conclusions drawn from it are clearly outdated (even if we don’t consider very dubious nature of the arbitrary trends use). Similarly by other institutions which still use it. -Especially in the USA it could be considered being a federal fraud under USC 18 §1001 to further use the outdated and scientifically quite dubious graph, simmilarly in Europe.
So it is nice our dear Lord Monckton (I have had the opportunity to discuss with him various issues some years ago in Prague) asks the IPCC for a correction – but I’m afraid it is not enough, and I think he should ask full retraction and he might also contact other institutions which still use the graph with a C&D notice.
Plain Richard:
Contrary to your assertion in your post at May 4, 2013 at 4:08 pm, I do NOT “have a personal stake in the matter” but I do have some knowledge of it.
Do you have a personal stake? For example, are you obtaining remuneration for being a troll?
Richard
richardscourtney to Sam Yates : “I make a suggestion. Go over to SkS and misbehave there. Or have you come from there.”
Not SkS but RealClimate:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/06/climate-change-commitment-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-176682
Sam Yates says:
2 Jun 2010 at 3:55 PM
“[…] …And, um, off-topic, but I just wanted to thank y’all for putting this much effort into communicating climate science to the world at large; it can’t be pleasant at times, particularly when you’ve got all manner of people accusing you of fraud, attempted global domination (seriously, now?), and other nastiness, but…thank you. If we and the world as we know it are going to survive, we need to understand that world and the laws by which it operates, and your work communicating those laws and how our understanding of them are arrived at is invaluable.“
Dr Norman Page says:
May 4, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Thank you!
Please keep this handy and post it again next month when I expect to have a post titled: Are We in a Pause or a Decline? (Now Includes at Least April data)
I will include what I had here and add: “Do you agree? What are your views on the question in the title? Do you think we are presently in a pause or in a decline or neither?”
Sam Yates says:
May 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm
“The information provided by the graph itself–as one draws nearer to the present, the trend in global temperature change grows steeper and steeper–is MATHEMATICALLY true, of course, ”
That is not so. “The trend” is not shown by the several trend lines because they show DIFFERENT trends; you mentioned a moving average yourself; each of the trend lines uses a differently sized moving average window, so to speak, so they are not comparable; They are different things. Therein lies the deception.
Why does CO2AGW science need to use deceptions when it is so irrefutable as the IPCC scientists, IPCC Greenpeace members and IPCC public officials publically proclaim. Rethorical question.
Speaking in filter terminology, what they show is how the output of a filter changes as its cutoff frequency is changed while filtering a signal. Who does that?
DirkH: That’s why I was careful to specify that they were mathematically true, in that each accurately represents the trend of the data points it contains. I didn’t intend to imply anything about whether they were intercomparable.
Mike Jonas: Wow, I’m impressed! Yes, I confess I do indeed hale from that dark and twisted land. I also, as long as we’re confessing our sins, I frequent Skeptical Science, The Science of Doom (it’s a little obscure, but well worth a visit; the feller takes an extremely empirical, mathematical approach to deriving and explaining the most fundamental aspects of the ways in which heat transfer operates within a system like the Earth), Neven’s Arctic Sea Ice Blog, and a whole bevy of other sites of which, I am sure, the majority of folks here would heartily disapprove.
But what of that? Doesn’t mean I can’t converse intelligently and respectfully with y’all, does it? Or if you think it does, give me a chance, at least. I haven’t gone on a wild stabbing spree or started comparing posters on here to various species of peculiarly unattractive shellfish. What do you say? Innocent until proven guilty?
Sam Yates says:
May 4, 2013 at 4:53 pm
“The Science of Doom (it’s a little obscure, but well worth a visit; the feller takes an extremely empirical, mathematical approach to deriving and explaining the most fundamental aspects of the ways in which heat transfer operates within a system like the Earth),”
SoD is a lawyer who played a little with MODTRAN for all I know. So if you say that MODTRAN is good for anything but designing infrared seeking weapons than that would be an added bonus of MODTRAN. Does it even allow to simulate an atmosphere in which water vapor and CO2 compete for IR photons?
BTW, have you ever contemplated by which means the atmosphere would radiate IR to space were it not for the alleged greenhouse gases CO2 and H2O.
As you are scientifically minded maybe you are interested in this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/05/co2-heats-the-atmosphere-a-counter-view/
Richardscourtney, are you kidding?
“I was one of the reviewers who objected.”
You said that!
I explained why there could be relevance to the question of accelerated warming occurring or not. You may not agree this being relevant to the thread, but it is not you who decides this. So go troll someone else!
He tends to deal with the matter at it’s most simplest, in my experience, DirkH. Y’know, going over how the atmosphere maintains its heat balance in very simple thermodynamic terms, covering the way in which it’s possible for a cooler object (like a blanket) to increase the temperature of a warmer object (like a human’s chilly toes), etc. Things like that. I’m not exactly familiar with MODTRAN, though, so whether that’s the ideal tool for what he does, I don’t know. The simpler equations and arguments check out, that at least I can vouch for. Thankee for the link, by the by; it’s mostmuch interesting. I think there’s a major flaw in the feller’s argument, though. He states:
“CO2* + N2 ↔ CO2 + N2⁺ (3)
Where the use of the double arrow ↔ instad of the simple arrow → is telling us that this process goes in both directions . Now the most important question is “What are the rates of the → and the ← processes ?”
The LTE conditions with the energy equipartition law give immediately the answer : “These rates are exactly equal .” This means that for every collision where a vibrationally excited CO2* transfers energy to N2 , there is a collision where N2⁺ transfers the same energy to CO2 and excites it vibrationally . There is no net energy transfer from CO2 to N2 through the vibration-translation interaction .
As we have seen that CO2 cannot transfer energy to N2 through the translation-translation process either , there is no net energy transfer (e.g “heating”) from CO2 to N2 what proves our statement .”
This would be true if there were an equal concentration of CO2 and N2 in the atmosphere, but there isn’t. While an excited CO2 molecule is very likely to collide with an O2 or N2 molecule, an excited N2 (or O2) molecule is extremely UNLIKELY to collide with a molecule of CO2. Therefore the rates of the forward and reverse processes are not identical. Because only greenhouse gases are capable of absorbing or emitting IR radiation, in IR-rich regions (near the Earth’s surface) they will always be slightly out of equilibrium with the non-IR active molecules around them, having just a tad more energy, while in IR-poor regions (the upper troposphere) they will be out of equilibrium in the opposite direction, being just a bit cooler. As a consequence, in the lower atmosphere there will be a net transfer of energy from IR active molecules to non-IR active molecules, while in the upper atmosphere the opposite effect occurs, and the IR active molecules (which can lose energy to space) tend to leach energy away from the non-IR active molecules (which are better at holding on to their energy).
…But now I really AM getting off-topic, and as I’d prefer not to risk getting the boot, and have nothing else that’s particularly relevant to add, I believe I’ll clam up for a bit, at least until something a bit more related to the topic of discussion comes bubbling merrily along. I don’t know whether Richardscourtney’s stern and disapproving attitude towards off-topicness is representative of how the mods about here feel, but best to play it safe, I think.
You misinterpret Kirchhoff’s Law, Sam. It is not dependant on the partial pressures. Thermalization and dethermalization must occur to equal amounts in LTE.
If the scale of the chart was in single degrees, the 300 years of temperature history would appear as a straight line. That’s how they’re fooling people, by constructing charts with a tall y-size in tiny increments of degrees that are, at best, pointless arguing about. It’s a visual trick.
Compress that chart vertically and you’d see nothing to worry about.
Plain Richard says:
May 4, 2013 at 2:31 pm
“Also I think a lot of readers could be interested if the temperature increase has been accelerating (up until the the year of the ipcc report as well as up until now). I agree with Sam that it should be easy enough. See if a quadratic trend fits better to the data than a linear trend, see if there is a significant quadratic trend in addition to the linear trend, or whatever else one might use (I do not have the data nor a statistics program available at the moment).”
Let’s take that serious for a moment. Now the Keeling curve seems to go up pretty linearly since the 60ies, maybe a very slight exponential term in there. We know that the CO2 forcing increases only logarithmically though, due to diminishing returns (pressure broadening gets weaker as the absorption spectrum gets more saturated).
When you try to fit the “accelerating trendlines” or your quadratic function to the temperature, how does that rhyme with the known logarithmic strengthening of the CO2 forcing? Answer, it doesn’t. Now, a trend is a model, and a model without a physical basis is numerology. Let’s look again at the propaganda graphic from the IPCC. They postulate something with it; that the temperature acellerates ever faster – draw the NEXT line and the line after that; they get increasingly vertical, right?
CO2 does not explain a physical mechanism for that. So which mechanism remains that could be used as the scapegoat? well, the postulated and never observed positive water vapor feedback; that’s the ticket! The only game in town!
BUT, as the acceleration is already in full progression, shouldn’t we have already observed a measurable increase in water vapor content? We haven’t. The only candidate that the IPCC offers that could explain the acceleration is AWOL (and of course, temperates over the last 15 years have stagnated, probably because there is no increased water vapor; wouldn’t that fit much better as an explanation?)
So, with no remaining candidate that could explain an acceleration that hasn’t happened, you can do all the curve fitting you want and it’s nothing more than numerology.
“I understand that the graph as submitted to the IPCC Secretariat in the scientists’ final draft of the Fourth Assessment Report was substantially as it appears below (though axial notations are mine): http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/clip_image002_thumb3.jpg?w=750&h=522
The above graph appears correct. It should be restored in place of the seriously inaccurate version that was substituted for it in at least two places in the Fourth Assessment Report. […]
Viscount Monckton of Brenchley”
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Christopher, in your first post on this matter (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/17/lord-monckton-reports-on-pachauris-eye-opening-copenhagen-presentation/) you characterized the above mentioned graph as relying on made up data (in addition to the wrong trend lines): “The graph is bogus not only because it relies on the made-up data from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia but also because it is overlain by four separate trend-lines, …”. In this post, however, you did not mention the made up data, but instead referred to the same temperature graph as correct.
Could you please be so kind and explain this contradiction?
DirkH: Fair enough, but if you’ve got a tiny subset of the particles absorbing photons and throwing the Boltzmann distribution out of kilter, you AREN’T at local thermodynamic equilibrium, and the system will try to rectify that by redistributing the energy from the few “hot” molecules throughout the gas. LTE isn’t a guarantee, you know. It’s just a statement about the distribution of energies, and it can quite easily be broken given the right set of circumstances.
Olaf: Well, technically you could measure the temperature in units of inebriated quolls, if you wanted to; as long as you’re consistent, and such and such degrees always corresponds to such and such quantity of Joules stored in the Earth’s climate system, anything goes. A rise in three degrees Celsius, globally speaking, isn’t unnerving because there’s anything particularly menacing about the number three; it’s not such a nice thing because the last time global temperatures averaged out to that, the world was a very different place. If I recall correctly, the global temperature difference between an interglacial and glacial is on the order of 3 degrees (which took me a long time to realize, to be honest; most of the charts of the glacial cycles give the temperatures in terms of the local temperatures, and of course thanks to polar amplification the temperature swings there are much greater than they are for the whole planet), although I could be wrong about that.
rgbatduke @ur momisugly 9.16am raises an interesting point; here is the graph with of temperature with the 60 year periodicity overlay removed:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/mean:730
Here is the temperature/CO2 comparison with the 60 year periodicity removed:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/mean:730/offset:300/plot/esrl-co2/mean:12
And here is the temperature/CO2 comparison with the overlay included:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/mean:12/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1959/mean:12/offset:300
Make of that what you will.
I was really enjoying the discussion on this thread. Particularly the input from richardscourtney and other familiar names. It was good because in WAS on topic and relevant and thoughtful. Then the accused trolls got into the act and as a result nothing more of interest occurred. As a newcomer to this medium, I now understand what trolls are about.
Werner
Just check the link I gave in the 2.31 post. Clearly I think we are on the downslope of the 60 and 1000 year solar cycles starting about 2003-4. The best metric for global temperature trends are the SSTs as I’ve pointed out on earlier posts eg “Global Cooling Climate and Weather Forecasting ”
Check also “30 year climate forecast – 2 year update ” on my site to see how close I came to forecasting the recent weather in the USA.
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com
Sam Yates says:
May 4, 2013 at 6:33 pm
“DirkH: Fair enough, but if you’ve got a tiny subset of the particles absorbing photons and throwing the Boltzmann distribution out of kilter, you AREN’T at local thermodynamic equilibrium, and the system will try to rectify that by redistributing the energy from the few “hot” molecules throughout the gas. LTE isn’t a guarantee, you know.”
So you are saying Kirchhoff’s Law does not hold, as any absorbed photon would terminate the LTE condition.
I rather stick with Kirchhoff here. (The probability of a collision of CO2 with N2 is of course identical to the probability of a collision of N2 with CO2.)
BTW, what you’re proposing is what, that the 10 micron IR is absorbed by CO2, thermalized and not re-emitted? I think not even the IPCC would dare to postulate that, foolish editorials by Dessler (*), repeating the term “heat-trapping gases” over and over again, notwithstanding)
(*) http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/article/On-global-warming-the-science-is-solid-1623018.php
It’s based on WWF “science”, like the glaciers in Asia?
In light of the actual global climate change the last 15 years what planet is IPCC talking about?
Terry: …I’m very sorry, I’m still not following. Are you objecting to the fact that trying a straight line fit to a nonlinear function ceases to be useful away from the range over which it was fit?
P.O.F: I, uh, didn’t mean to troll, if that makes it any better. I was just trying to contribute to the discussion, which apparently I am rather bad at. If I might ask, though, what was particularly trollish? That’s not asked defensively, I just really don’t understand how I was trolling. Was it just that I came into the discussion with a completely different set of priors than y’all have? I guess I can see how that would be disruptive; it’d be sort of like, say, a passel of flautists discussing their craft when suddenly some wild-eyed individual from outside comes in, lightly brushes away all their discussion of breath control and the proper placement of the fingers, and starts an impassioned argument for using the flute as a percussion instrument.
Which is…unfortunate. Hm. I didn’t realize I was being so obnoxious.
Sam Yates:
That’s not the problem. The problem is that an assumption of linearity is being made that is not testable. By the way, you have not come across to me as a troll.