Guest post by Dr. Vincent Gray
NZCLIMATE TRUTH NEWSLETTER NO 308
APRIL 25th 2013
I have been neglecting you. Things have quieted down. I am 91 and it is high time I retired, like my friend Will Alexander in South Africa or my major protagonist, former Professor Martin Manning.. I thought I would call it a day on Newsletter No 300.
When I began, in 1991 I was still in China. I got involved in commenting on the Reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and I just completed those on the Fifth Report which will surely be my last.
To begin with I was the only critical voice in New Zealand. Last week I attended a packed meeting of the Press Club in Wellington to hear Lord Monckton tear apart the IPCC and everything connected with it. The University scientists will not listen to him. But one of the organisers of the meeting was from the Music Department.
But, surely, we are at the beginning of the end.
The globe has stopped warming; even when measured by the botched-up biased system that they favour.
The Kyoto Protocol is dead. Emissions by former members are in steady decline compared with those from non-members
The support literature has dried up. I used to go to the University every month and photocopy the latest scientific outrage for these Newsletters. The only recent feeble attempt was the rapidly discredited attempt by Marcott to fabricate yet another Hockey Stick at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/13/marcotts-proxies/
The “Economist” magazine has expressed doubts
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21574490-climate-change-may-be-happening-more-slowly-scientists-thought-world-still-needs
A recent report by the Influential [Norwegian] Research Institute SINTEF at
http://www.sintef.no/upload/Teknologi_og_samfunn/Teknologiledelse/SINTEF%20Report%20A24071
has shown that there is a genuine scientific controversy that should be encouraged; that it is by no means, “settled”
The Emissions Trading scheme is in retreat. European prices have headed for the bottom and they.are about to ditch their scheme. I do not know what has happened to our prices but you can all be assured that whatever happens to the Mighty River Power shares the incentives to go in for windmills and solar power will disappear and we can, eventually have a sensible, economical power policy which will include fracking, coal and small scale nuclear.
But you would hardly think so, listening to all of our politicians, or if you read the newspapers or watch TV. So let me finish by encouraging you all with this article by James Delingpole
Cheers
Vincent Gray
Wellington
New Zealand
May-be it’s like Sir Winston Churchill once said: This is not the end, this is not even the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.
The greenies/warmists will not give that easily. First climate fraud David Viner predicted in 2000 that within decades snow would be a thing of the past. Children just wouldn’t know what snow was. Now the same people are blaming global warming for the terrible cold and heavy snowfall of recent years. Cooling is the new warming. But let’s hope the end of the global warming aka climate change nonsense will come soon. Each day this delusional hoax lasts is a day too many.
Don’t underestimate the time it takes to seep in, easily 15-20 years.
‘Tis oft said that once the CAGW meme has been abandoned , the wacko leftie greenies of the world will simply move on to the next catastrophe-du-jour.
That “catastrophe” is likely going to be their oft-misspelled “fracking”, a process which as been used for decades, and is an old standard practice in the oil patch.
My niece sent me an article this morning, and asked me my ‘professional opinion’ of it. Sad to say it is long on drivel, mis-representation of information, and political advocacy.
In other words, same-‘ol, same-‘ol.
Mark H.
What a fine fellow. even if he is wrong, he is dignified, calm and overflows with integrity.
if he is right (and I believe he is) I am proud to be in his thread 🙂
I dunno. When rats abandon a sinking ship they find another floating one…
Thank you for your significant contributions Dr Gray.
It may well be the beginning of the end but the end is still a very long way away. Too many politicians have committed themselves to this madness and too many politicians, ‘scientists’ and renewables experts depend on this meme for their present and future economic well-being.
The whole scare is political rather than scientific as we all here know.
Agenda 21, Globe and various other programs need to be widely publicised.
Mike Haseler says:April 25, 2013 at 4:03 pm
“The problem with us sceptics … is that we are fast becoming mainstream.
And that will be the end of us sceptics – for what role is there for sceptics when everyone agrees with us?”
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I am looking forward to being a skeptic who is out of work. Lets move on to more productive endeavors.
Mike Haseler says:
The problem with us sceptics … is that we are fast becoming mainstream.
And that will be the end of us sceptics – for what role is there for sceptics when everyone agrees with us?
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Sadly, there is plenty of other scientific malpractice and dubious statistics to go after if one is so inclined. The medical field would be particularly fertile.
The jig is up for climastrologists, and everyone knows it. Still, they’ll soldier on, not knowing what else to do. The top brass are just figuring an easy way out that doesn’t involve jail time. The infestation of government and schools with CAGW ideology will be tough to crack.
In five years it will be dead. The aftermath won’t be pretty.
Thanks to Dr. Gray and to Marc Morano for the EBW link. Devastating. How anybody can believe the feces coming out of the AGWers’ sphincters is beyond me. Last I looked, the definition of science wasn’t “feces.”
As for the anti-frackers, let’s send them the bill for any increase in gasoline prices we have to pay due to their malicious, perverted stupidity. And then prohibit them from using any kind of energy from any source (including burning excrement!) for any purpose (or maybe, as a gesture of mercy, let them burn feces to cook their food).
Thank you for all your efforts in science Dr.Gray. Enjoy putting your feet up you deserve it.
Please note, I heard the Chairman of the IPCC, Rajendra Pachauri, state in an interview this year while visiting OZ that it would take many more years of non warming to change the thinking at IPCC. I think it was something like 40 years. Enough said!
Well done D. Gray! I’m sure after a few months of fiddling around it would be nice to have your learned comments kick even more sense into a deaf world in print and television.
Obama is a dictator.
Congress can’t stop him.
Who you gonna call, the CIA?
The national debt is over $16 trillion, China is buying up oilfields in Texas and if anyone fights back, he will declare martial law.
AGW theory was just another “trojan horse”, it keeps honest scientists busy while the Marxist academics help the CIA organize for the “final solution”.
Meanwhile, oh forget it…
Boston was just a dress rehearsal.
Lenin called for an alliance with Islamic nationalists in 1924.
Communism in Russia is gone now but they still have Muslim terrorists.
The climate has changed, you’re a Muslim now and you don’t even know it.
@Charles Opalek PE:
No legs to stand on, but that huge pile of feces they have excreted may still prop them up for a while.
“The beginning of the end”
The climax for the climatologists will be a happy ending, the hockey stick will wilt…
joeldshore says:
April 25, 2013 at 2:34 pm
If I had a dime for every time that some AGW skeptic had declared this was the beginning of the end for AGW over the last 20 years, I’d be much richer than I am.
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Yeah, and if you had a dime for every piece of direct evidence you could post showing that CO2 has any effect on global temperature, global climate change, climate weirding, climate crisis or climate nom du jour, you’d have the square root of f**k all.
Dear Dr. Grey,
Thankyou so very much, for your unstinting work in helping bulwark rational science.
At 91 years of age, you deserve your rest but even more-so, you deserve agknowlwedgement that your labours have not been in vain. If not for the strict empirical instincts of an older, wiser, generation of scientists and engineers found frequenting this page, then the presumpion of apriori certitude conjured up from the entrails of non-linear, computer modelled conjecture, might have gone unchallenged in its purported claims at constituting ‘hard’ scientific evidence.
May I join all those priori in offering heartfelt thanks.
With Much Regard.
All true, but perhaps therein lies the solution. We can vote the bums out!
It is long past time to start making politicians declare their positions on energy, climate, energy, CAGW, energy, ‘global governance’, energy—and energy. And then to make it clear to the voting public that candidates against fracking, coal mining, drilling, nuclear electricity, and all the other options we have for cheap, plentiful energy the world over—those candidates are anti-progress, anti-growth, anti-development, anti-prosperity, anti-jobs, and anti-everything-we-want-for-our-children.
Make that the mantra, and drum it into the voters heads, and they will start to turn out the socialist lapdogs of the ‘enviro’ movement. It’s time to make ‘environmentalism’ and ‘sustainability’ the dirty words they are.
The Climatists are working to propagandize the voters (and especially the young); it’s time to turn the tables on them. It is, as we’ve said, at bottom not a scientific but a political problem, and it’s going to take better politics to defeat them.
/Mr Lynn
Such clarity of mind – it is much too early for you to retire. Please keep going until you are 100.
Peter Ramsey says:
“Obama is a dictator.
Congress can’t stop him.
…and if anyone fights back, he will declare martial law.”
Anyone who believes that Obama is not waiting for the next major crisis to declare martial law, suspend habeus corpus, and rule by decree is hopelessly naive. He is truly the Manchurian Candidate.
Anyway, thanks, Dr Gray. You have been fighting the good fight. Agree w/Julian in Wales.
Everyone, make sure you save everything you can, making backup electronic and hard copies, to document the crash when it comes, and tend them well. In 20 years, we will need the evidence of what happened to fend off the next generation of power mad control freaks who want to save us from Catastrophic Global Cooling.
Thank you Dr. Gray!
AGW is beginning to look more and more like road kill on the information highway. It needs to be run over by the facts of physical reality a few more times.
Al Gore, one of the funders for the highway, seems be one of the larger road kills. The irony must hurt. Good deeds do not go unpunished.
The powers that be must be incredibly annoyed at the internet, and would probably like to limit access to it.
Way to go Doctor Gray!
I would also like to state my appreciation for the decades you’ve spent with weather, climate while keeping the anti-science alarmists at bay.
As you’re someone who has retired before, what do you plan to do next?
says: April 25, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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Who he?
;-> “I couldn’t resist; the devil made me do it.” /sarc
Mike Haseler says:
April 25, 2013 at 4:03 pm
“The problem with us sceptics … is that we are fast becoming mainstream.
And that will be the end of us sceptics – for what role is there for sceptics when everyone agrees with us?”
Mike, thanks for the set up. Now I will hit the ball out of the park.
The price of science is eternal, energetic, and unrelenting skepticism.
Skepticism must become a reflex in every scientist, every student of science, and every citizen. Every university department of science and every secondary teacher of science needs their own Anthony Watts until all have internalized Anthony Watts. The statists have already taken over the universities and they have established beachheads in all of the secondary schools. We have a lot of work to do.
Dear Dr Gray, thank you and all your fellow anti-AGW whom withstood the ‘running of the gauntlet’ that many of us have endured. Australia is still hanging loose, but with a new government in September, we shall see. The present opposition have stated they will remove the carbon tax now at $23 per tonne. James Hansen years ago was promoting nuclear as we have such a huge coast line. But near Ballina, they are burning sugar cane refuse, that is usually burnt anyway by farmers, that is capable of providing electricity for 50,000 homes. Well outside cities most inland townships rarely exceed 50,000 population, and less homes and industries. But it does not get any government subsidies. Google ‘Ballina sugar cane electricity plant’. New Zealand should scrap their carbon tax too. Especially planning to tax agriculture. Moos and baas are nasty little creatures that belch and pass methane? (We do too!) One idiot suggested we farm kangaroos who are methane free instead of cattle and sheep? He was an adviser on the carbon tax debacle to the present government. Didn’t he know, kangaroos are marsupials and are not domesticated, jump fences and withhold mated eggs until the environment is suitable to bear another potential embryonic ‘joey’. He was the person advising the government on carbon tax realizations. Best of luck in your ‘retirement’ we will forever hold you in esteem with our grateful thanks.