Some days you have to wonder how supposedly rational and intelligent people who are considered professional scientists allow themselves to behave like this.
From Dr. Mann’s Twitter feed:
Source: http://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/316260453770723328
A simple “no” would suffice, but Dr. Mann seems determined to denigrate people that have different views than him such as Dr. Spencer’s Christian faith. How unprofessional.
It is yet another example of Climate Ugliness that pervades the mindset of AGW proponents.
UPDATE: In comments, “Jimbo” shows how Dr. Mann can easily accept the opinion of one person of faith, while denigrating another.
“Jimbo” Submitted on 2013/03/25 at 3:00 pm
Let me demonstrate now easy it is to denigrate. Care for an ad hominem dessert?
EXHIBIT 1
We have Dr. Spencer’s Christian faith. (A climatologist, Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center. He is known for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work, for which he was awarded the American Meteorological Society’s Special Award.)
EXHIBIT 2
We have John Cook’s Christian faith. (Cartoonist & part time fairytale proponent who tinkers with physics. “The second reason is my faith. I’m a Christian and find myself strongly challenged by passages in the Bible like Amos 5 and Matthew 25. I believe in a God who has a heart for the poor and expects Christians to feel the same way”).
I wonder, what would Dr. Mann say about Sir Issac Newton’s religious views were he alive today and question the AGW narrative?

You buried the lede.
“Michael Mann hikes skirt and runs like frightened girl when confronted by spector of global warming debate.”
– should have been the headline.
Sorry for my typos, I’m just so angry.
“despite their wonderful”
I really think that the assumption that an unquestioning approach to evolution is the only way to demonstrate scientific veritas is seriously wrong and it is entirely inappropriate to try and undermine a persons scientific credibility in one field of science simply because they question the consensus in another. Here speaks a scientist who questions everything.
So based on the above comments, the accusation, “He’s a witch”. AKA He denies evolution, is powerful enough to derail otherwise sensible people?
I’m assuming its denial of evolution, cause god help us all is just being accused of ‘Questioning’ evolution, produces this knee jerk.
What does that “belief” have to do with science?
Also our technology would not exist but for individuals with “not normal” points of view.
If I was Mann, I wouldn’t be worried about Spencer. I’d be worried about Marcott. I think his backers (Those who pay his legal bills.) may be hunting for someone to replace him.
Horizontally the cross reminds us of our duty to try and bring heaven to earth. Vertically the cross shows that there is a way from earth to heaven. A commitment to the Truth and faith in Him will get u there.
It would be interesting to ask Dr Mann to name one or more front-line scientists who disagree with CAGW with whom he would be prepared to debate the issue.
Silence, no doubt…..
Oh goodie, I see Big Jim Cooley is an Evangelical Atheist, those who attack others beliefs with a religious fervor.
I really don’t care if Roy Spencer believes mankind was dropped by the flying spaghetti monster, it does not change the facts, and the facts are that the earth is showing a far lower sensitivity to CO2 than the team has been preaching. In their furvor, the alarmists have made predictions, but the data goes against their gospel. Mann is using an unrelated matter to dodge the debate.
Will Nitschke @ur momisugly 2:15 pm:
That’s pretty much the gist of what I feel. I don’t see that creation precludes evolution or vice versa.
I am not a believer in intelligent design partly because it does not answer the question about the origins of the intelligent designer.
However, I also have problems with evolution. If you look at a family tree of life forms there are various branching points and nodes but the longest spaces are between these points. So why do we not find more transitional fossils than non-transitional ones?
Putting it another way, if life is constantly evolving then surely most examples in the wild must be in a partially evolved state not in an easily defined category.
In summary, the theory of evolution is still evolving 🙂
I hope this post from WUWT teaches the climate fairytale teller, Michael Mann, a lesson. Keep to the science and keep religion out of the debate. If not, I will flood him with religion and climate change references and quotes. Give it up Mr. Mann.
So, Mann is still nervous of a debate, eh? He sounded so sure when he waved the hockey stick.
Here is a list of Nobel Laureates, all of whom are quoted to believe in God.
Note: Michael Mann is neither a Nobel Laureate (snicker) nor is he quoted to have said that he believes in God.
Must be lonely in Michael Mann, unimaginative, puny, and dull cranium.
ALBERT EINSTEIN, Nobel Laureate in Physics (he believed in a God like Spinoza did, but a God who design echoed throughout the universe)
MAX PLANCK, Nobel Laureate in Physics
WERNER HEISENBERG, Nobel Laureate in Physics
ERWIN SCHRÖDINGER, Nobel Laureate in Physics
ROBERT MILLIKAN, Nobel Laureate in Physics:
CHARLES TOWNES, Nobel Laureate in Physics
ARTHUR SCHAWLOW, Nobel Laureate in Physics
WILLIAM PHILLIPS, Nobel Laureate in Physics
SIR WILLIAM H. BRAGG, Nobel Laureate in Physics
GUGLIELMO MARCONI, Nobel Laureate in Physics
ARTHUR COMPTON, Nobel Laureate in Physics
ARNO PENZIAS, Nobel Laureate in Physics
ALEXIS CARREL, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology
SIR JOHN ECCLES, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology
JOSEPH MURRAY, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology
SIR ERNST CHAIN, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology
GEORGE WALD, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology (note: he has quotes which defend atheism & deism)
SIR DEREK BARTON, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry
CHRISTIAN ANFINSEN, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry
WALTER KOHN, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry
Michael… you don’t have a Nobel prize, especially in physics. hehehe
Taking a shot at people’s religious beliefs when they are irrelevant to the subject under discussion is rude, ignorant and unprofessional. If it was two biologists having the argument, it would still be rude, but perhaps might be relevant in some way.
I have no religious beliefs whatsoever, but anyone who claims that Darwinian “evolution” is a fact misunderstands the science. Contemporary debates about the origin and evolution of species have moved a long way since Darwin’s time. The science is far from settled. This is a good thing, surely. It is proper science – we keep debating and researching and improving our knowledge.
You don’t have to believe in the supernatural to accept that our understanding of these matters is far from complete. Dr Spencer’s views are tinged with his religious beliefs, but they are far from unscientific. Indeed, many evolutionary biologists are practising Christians, and see no contradiction between studying evolutionary theory and their faith. Apart from the lieralist “the world was made in six days” crowd, there is no reason why they should.
This is exactly how a professional – scientist or other type, MAY behave.
They are as cranky and egocentric as the rest of us. Except for me, of course.
If professionalism were natural in people, lawyers wouldn’t be required to sign ethics agreements before they took the bar exam.
I do not understand why Michael did not want debate Roy, he could easily win.
He could successfully challenge Roy’s fictional “Virginia” story by pointing out that he can not prove that colder bodies can warm warmer bodies just by claiming that they can or by drawing a picture where they do. Or that Roy can not prove “greenhouse effect” by an IR-thermometer, because the atmosphere does not have a lens. And that he can not just ignore the R.W.Wood experiment. And that he can not just claim anything about changes in “global temperature” probably knowing that the thermometer network has never been proven representative and temperature reconstructions and homogenizations are BS.
Michael, come on, if you read this, go ahead, do it. Do not be afraid of Roy. OK, maybe Roy can say something about that tree ring thing, but you can easily counter that by referring to the “skeptiks” general acceptance of other proxies. E.g. Christopher Monckton’s favorite is Central England’s temperature record allegedly representative for the whole world, it is not really better than trees. So, Michael, call the Fox News and stand up and fight, make me proud.
Peter Miller says:
March 25, 2013 at 2:11 pm
“Shredded” comes to mind. I hear that the pompous don’t like to have their buffoonery ridiculed.
Oops -“literalist” – bad typo there in second last line. If mod has time, grateful if you could fix – thanks – J
Mann is in need of an optirectomy … a delicate surgical procedure to sever the optical nerve to his ‘posterical’ blind eye in the hope that it my diminish his shitty outlook.
RE: The Ghost of Big Jim Cooley says:
March 25, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Jim, science is based upon those truths which we can replicate. It is possible to be objective about such things.
However there is a part of life which flows by every day, quite steadily and regularly, which happens once and will never happen again. Think about that. It cannot be replicated. Does that mean it is not scientific? Does that mean it didn’t happen?
Welcome to the world of subjectivity. You are correct to say it includes madness. What could be more crazy than a deaf man writing the 9th symphony?
Frankly believing that all the known and unknown matter in the universe once fit into an infinitely small point and then exploded exponentially beyond the speed of light to billions of miles across in a fraction of a second sounds pretty fantastic to me, possibly even requiring a great leap of faith, lord/gaia forbid. But maybe that’s just me.
“No @FoxNews, I’m not interested in “debating” #climatechange & #evolution denier Roy Spencer”
I see no mention of religion. Is it is some other post?
If someone believes that a invisible magic man or aliens started life on earth, it is clear that the person does not look at data in a clear unbiased manner. Why would someone debate such a person?
Richards in Vancouver says:
March 25, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Indeed. The very existence of Mann should call into question Dr. Spencer’s realiance on “Intelligent Design” as the modus operandi. Of course, there’s an exception to every rule, and Mann may be the most obvious example.
RE: “SteveB. says:
March 25, 2013 at 2:16 pm
You can sum Mann up in two words. No class.”
Well put.