Matt Ridley: A Lukewarmer's Ten Tests

What it would take to persuade me that current climate policy makes sense

Guest post by Matt Ridley

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I have written about climate change and energy policy for more than 25 years. I have come to the conclusion that current energy and climate policy is probably more dangerous, both economically and ecologically, than climate change itself. This is not the same as arguing that climate has not changed or that mankind is not partly responsible. That the climate has changed because of man-made carbon dioxide I fully accept. What I do not accept is that the change is or will be damaging, or that current policy would prevent it.

For the benefit of supporters of climate change policy who feel frustrated by the reluctance of people like me to accept their assurances, here is what they would need to do to change my mind.

1. I need persuading that the urban heat island effect has been fully purged from the surface temperature record. Satellites are showing less warming than the surface thermometers, and there is evidence that local warming of growing cities, and poor siting of thermometers, is still contaminating the global record. I also need to be convinced that the adjustments made by those who compile the global temperature records are justified. Since 2008 alone, NASA has added about 0.1C of warming to the trend by unexplained “adjustments” to old records. It is not reassuring that one of the main surface temperature records is produced by an extremist prepared to get himself arrested (James Hansen).

2. Despite these two contaminating factors, the temperature trend remains modest: not much more than 0.1 C per decade since 1979. So I would need persuading that water vapour will amplify CO2’s effect threefold in the future but has not done so yet. This is what the models assume despite evidence that clouds formed from water vapour are more likely to moderate than amplify any warming.

3. Nor am I convinced that sulphate aerosols and ocean heat uptake can explain the gap between model predictions and actual observations over the last 34 years. Both are now well understood and provide insufficient excuse for such an underperformance. Negative cloud feedback, leading to total feedbacks being modest, is the more plausible explanation.

4. The one trend that has been worse than expected – Arctic sea ice – is plausibly explained by black carbon (soot), not carbon dioxide. Soot from dirty diesel engines and coal-fired power stations is now reckoned to be a far greater factor in climate change than before; it is a short-lived pollutant, easily dealt with by local rather than global action. So you would need to persuade me that this finding, by explaining some recent climate change, does not further reduce the likely sensitivity of the atmosphere to carbon dioxide. Certainly, it “buys time”.

5. Even the Met Office admits that the failure of the models to predict the temperature standstill of the last 16 years is evidence that natural factors can match man-made ones. We now know there is nothing unprecedented about the level and rate of change of temperature today compared with Medieval, Roman, Holocene Optimum and other post-glacial periods, when carbon dioxide levels did not change significantly, but temperatures did. I would need persuading that natural factors cannot continue to match man-made ones.

6. Given that we know that the warming so far has increased global vegetation cover, increased precipitation, lengthened growing seasons, cause minimal ecological change and had no impact on extreme weather events, I need persuading that future warming will be fast enough and large enough to do net harm rather than net good. Unless water-vapour-supercharged, the models suggest a high probability of temperatures changing less than 2C, which almost everybody agrees will do net good.

7. Nor is it clear that ecosystems and people will fail to adapt, for there is clear evidence that adaptation has already vastly reduced damage from the existing climate – there has been a 98% reduction in the probability of death from drought, flood or storm since the 1920s, for example, and malaria retreated rapidly even as the temperature rose during the twentieth century.

8. So I cannot see why this relatively poor generation should bear the cost of damage that will not become apparent until the time of a far richer future generation, any more than people in 1900 should have borne sacrifices to make people today slightly richer. Or why today’s poor should subsidise, through their electricity bills, today’s rich who receive

subsidies for wind farms, which produce less than 0.5% of the country’s energy.

9. Indeed I will need persuading that dashing to renewables can cut emissions rather than make them worse; this is by no means certain given that the increased use of bioenergy, such as wood or corn ethanol, driven by climate policies, is indeed making them worse.11 Meanwhile shale gas use in the USA has led to a far greater cut in emissions than

any other technology, yet it is opposed every step of the way by climate alarmists.

10. Finally, you might make the argument that even a very small probability of a very large and dangerous change in the climate justifies drastic action. But I would reply that a very small probability of a very large and dangerous effect from the adoption of large-scale

renewable energy, reduced economic growth through carbon taxes or geo-engineering also justifies extreme caution. Pascal’s wager cuts both ways.

At the moment, it seems highly likely that the cure is worse than disease.

We are taking chemotherapy for a cold.

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jae
January 28, 2013 7:03 pm

Tried to post earlier, but no dice. Again:
11. There is no such thing as a “radiative greenhouse effect.”
Face it, lukewarmer consensus, Robert Woods experiments in 1909 demonstrated, not only do greenhouses get hotter because they block convection, but ALSO there is no “radiative warming;” since CERTAINLY, if the backradiation from the glass in the glass greenhouse could not increase the temperature of the glass greenhouse, relative to the NaCl greenhouse, THEN CERTAINLY the backradiation from the atmosphere (which is much smaller) cannot heat the surface.
Sorry for those short on physics, but the “Slayers” are correct, and the “shell theories” and theoretical planets without GHGs are not at all realistic and persuasive. The gas law does apply.

Gary Hladik
January 28, 2013 7:42 pm

James Cross says (January 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm): “The biggest issue to me is that increasingly future greenhouse gases will come from the underdeveloped world so to achieve significant reduction would actually hamper the ability the underdeveloped world to adapt to any future effects of warning.”
Which gives us point #11, any realistic CO2 emission reductions by the “developed” world will be overwhelmed by increased emissions in the “developing” world, e.g. China and India which don’t give a #$% what the IPCC says. In other words, we’re getting the consequences of increasing atmospheric CO2 no matter what we do. Might as well enjoy it, folks. 🙂

davidmhoffer
January 28, 2013 7:49 pm

Anthony,
jae, alecm and greg house are all spouting sl@yer drivel which is an even bigger load of claptrap than the alarmist bs itself (which at one time I would have deemed impossible). I for one am tired of seeing it.

January 28, 2013 7:58 pm

Konrad, the rapid collisional decay rate of 15-micron vibrationally excited CO2 means that it will not radiate away any significant amount of IR energy below about 35 km, i.e., the stratosphere.

Konrad
January 28, 2013 8:06 pm

For the record, I have no association with so called “Slayers”. My position is based solely on empirical experiments into conduction, convection and radiative gases. I have designed these experiments to be easily repeatable by others and have posted images and instruction elsewhere on the web. I believe that the lack of understanding shown by the “Slayers” regarding convective circulation and radiative gases is equal to that of the AGW believers.

KevinK
January 28, 2013 8:16 pm

Jae, I’m not really clear what your position on the “Greenhouse Effect” is, could you elucidate that more clearly please? /sarc off
I’ve been posting for several years now that the whole thing is bogus, glad I’m not the only voice in the wilderness anymore.
As an engineer I like to pose this question; “Are we to believe that the miniscule amounts of “radiative gases” in the atmosphere are actually pulling the MASSIVE thermal capacity of the oceans into thermal “equilibrium” with themselves ??????????”. The whole notion that the gases are controlling anything WRT temperature has always been a FARCE. It’s like throwing an ice cube in your bathtub and projecting that the whole mass will freeze solid.
Cheers, Kevin.

Gary Hladik
January 28, 2013 8:16 pm

jae says (January 28, 2013 at 7:03 pm): ‘Sorry for those short on physics, but the “Slayers” are correct, and the “shell theories” and theoretical planets without GHGs are not at all realistic and persuasive.”
Since prominent scientists on both sides of the CAGW debate accept the so-called “greenhouse effect” (SCGE)–while differing on the danger it poses, if any–anyone who could experimentally disprove the SCGE would win a Nobel Prize, at least. Yet the so-called “slayers” are long on rhetoric and very very short on experiments, despite the rewards supposedly theirs for the taking. WUWT?

January 28, 2013 8:22 pm

With all due respect Matt, there two more particularly important questions you should consider asking:
When, in the warmist world, is the Holocene supposed to reach it’s end?
And what would you propose to do about that?

nothothere
January 28, 2013 8:40 pm

Gary Hladik wrote;
“if any–anyone who could experimentally disprove the SCGE would win a Nobel Prize”
Sorry, but ever since the “doctor” that “perfected” the lobotomy operation won a Nobel Prize I have never wanted one.
But it can be disproven quite simply, Woods did it 100 years ago.
Cheers, Kevin.

Evan Jones
Editor
January 28, 2013 8:42 pm

1.) When it comes to global warming, Size Matters.
2.) So does the Motion of the Ocean.
3.) And as for “adjustments”, If You Shake It More Than Three Times, You’re Playing With It.

Evan Jones
Editor
January 28, 2013 8:44 pm

When, in the warmist world, is the Holocene supposed to reach it’s end? And what would you propose to do about that?
I think they’re gonna let their grandchildren worry about that one . . .

Greg House
January 28, 2013 8:45 pm

Gary Hladik says, January 28, 2013 at 8:16 pm: “Since prominent scientists on both sides of the CAGW debate accept the so-called “greenhouse effect” (SCGE)–while differing on the danger it poses, if any–anyone who could experimentally disprove the SCGE would win a Nobel Prize, at least.”
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A wonderful idea, Gary: “accept” vs “disprove”. Some people might consider “prove” vs “disprove” being a little bit fairer…
As for “disprove”, we have just had a lovely debate about it on the parallel thread “Yet another study shows lower climate sensitivity”. You could make your contribution there.

climatebeagle
January 28, 2013 8:46 pm

David vun Kannon says:
A) “Any rise in temperature will raise the amount of water held in the atmosphere. That is basic physics.”
B) “Since CO2 increases will raise the temperature, ”
Can you actually show the basic physics for A) ?
Is B) basic physics as well, otherwise what is the justification for the statement?
I’ve seen similar claims that CO2 causes global warming is just basic physics, but to me there seems to be a big gap between the basic physics of CO2 and the warming of a chaotic open system. So, what is the magic step 2) here?
1) CO2 absorbs and remits infrared radiation – This is basic physics
2) Errrmmmmmm ….
3) Global Warming

January 28, 2013 8:48 pm

evanmjones says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Touche!

Jeff Alberts
January 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Matt Ridley: “We now know there is nothing unprecedented about the level and rate of change of temperature today compared with Medieval, Roman, Holocene Optimum and other post-glacial periods, when carbon dioxide levels did not change significantly, but temperatures did.”
I don’t think we do “know”. I think we can say it’s likely that the other warm periods were at least as warm as now. But our “temps” from those periods are all taken from proxies, which are notoriously unreliable. The error bars for any of these proxies are larger than the differences between the coldest and warmest of the Holocene. We just don’t know.
And that’s the problem with AGW theory. We can’t say whether current warming is unprecedented. Mann and his buddies tried to make it seem like we could, but they failed miserably.

john robertson
January 28, 2013 8:54 pm

Matt Ridley must be congratulated on being able to keep an open mind on the subject of CAGW.
While reading the comments I realize I do not have that capacity, when it comes to Team IPCC, the UN and most of the media, my immediate reaction is cynicism
If claims being made which come from my government, cite computer models, full of could,might weasel words or have any of the climate-gate names as authors, I have to force myself to read them.
My default is to reject , as these sources have demonstrated that they are willing to lie to me to further their cause. With no end of their dishonesty in sight.
Hardly a scientific approach I admit, but life is too short to humour lying stealing time wasters.

Greg House
January 28, 2013 8:56 pm

Gary Hladik says, January 28, 2013 at 8:16 pm: “Since prominent scientists on both sides of the CAGW debate accept the so-called “greenhouse effect” (SCGE)”
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Gary, if you look closely into the well known study Doran&Zimmerman (2008), you can see that 70% of related scientists do not support the AGW concept. Unfortunately, it is a silent majority. Details here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/30/consensus-argument-proves-climate-science-is-political/#comment-972119 .

Truthseeker
January 28, 2013 8:58 pm

davidmhoffer says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:49 pm
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What are you asking Anthony to do? Censor polite and on-topic comments because you do not agree with them?
Where do you think you are … SkepticalScience?

January 28, 2013 9:17 pm

Greg House says:
Yes, about that. I am sorry to disappoint you, but the actual measurements .
Greg there is nothing informative about your link. Furthermore I am totally bewildered you, Bratby and Conrad’s attempts to say there is no greenhouse effect at all. If you have ever done any backpacking you you will vividly experience the difference between cloudy nights and clear nights.Camping in the desert reveals a similar greenhouse effect. During every drought and accompanying heat wave, there is a hot day/cold night effect observed in the temperature data. The lack of moisture allows the surface to heat more rapidly but also allows the heat to escape more rapidly. Those examples are not straw dogs, but tangible greenhouse effects. What most believers get wrong is that think CO2 traps and stores heat. It merely slows it down on a daily basis. The hoax is to use average temperature as proof. At many USHCN site minimums have trended upwards while maximum are trending downward. A declining maximum clearly says heat is not being trapped.
I have researched every important animal from polar bears, penguins, pika, frogs and butterflies that CO2 advocates have suggested are going extinct. The research is heavily flawed and sometimes approaches outright fraud. From that perspective I agree that much of the global warming is a bad hoax and must dealt with. That needs to be exposed. However you three attack people for merely accepting a trivial greenhouse effect or expressing uncertainty. It is insulting and does not promote debate. I proudly call myself a global warming denier, but when I listen to you guys, it actually evokes sympathy for the believers. Your attacks against your closest allies makes me wonder if you are not provocateurs for the other side. I don’t believe tha,t but I hope you can hear what a negative effect your methods engender.

davidmhoffer
January 28, 2013 9:20 pm

jae;
SURELY, if there is no effect from “backradiation” in the glass greenhouse from the glass, THEN there cannot be any effect from any “atmospheric back-radiation.”
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Surely even a child can understand that a sheet of glass and the atmosphere are two completely different things. Surely such pronouncements do not belong in a science blog.

davidmhoffer
January 28, 2013 10:02 pm

Truthseeker says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:58 pm
davidmhoffer says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:49 pm
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What are you asking Anthony to do? Censor polite and on-topic comments because you do not agree with them?
Where do you think you are … SkepticalScience?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Anthony has banned the sl@yers and their total bs. A very long list of very well known scientists from both sides of the debate have gone to great lengths to try and reason with this crop of miscreants who spout the precise same drivel. The bulk of them have given up. These are trolls who hijack threads with complete bull and do as much damage to the debate as the cagw alarmists themselves. They should be treated as such, exactly like the sl@yers themselves.

Greg House
January 28, 2013 10:07 pm

jim Steele says, January 28, 2013 at 9:17 pm: “Greg there is nothing informative about your link.”
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My link disproves your assertion about clouds raising temperature. You did not scroll down, I guess. Otherwise you would have found temperature measurements and remarks about clouds condition corresponding every single temperature measurement.
Your thesis does not hold water, this is obvious.

RichardD
January 28, 2013 10:11 pm

Thanks for the well argued analysis. From my vantage point, warming proponents are knowingly peddling false, hysterical predictions, based on rigged models and fake/ adjusted data. I imagine they will keep on keeping on, as science and veracity have zilch to do with their argument or goals.

Pooh, Dixie
January 28, 2013 10:17 pm

Obama’s former regulatory czar wrote:
Sunstein, Cass R. “Throwing Precaution to the Wind: Why the ‘Safe’ Choice Can Be Dangerous” Opinion. Boston.com – The Boston Globe, July 13, 2008. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/07/13/throwing_precaution_to_the_wind
———. “The Paralyzing Principle.” Regulation 25, no. 4 (2002): 32–37. http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv25n4/v25n4-9.pdf

Konrad
January 28, 2013 10:38 pm

jim Steele says:
January 28, 2013 at 9:17 pm
“Conrad’s attempts to say there is no greenhouse effect at all.”
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Jim,
I have never claimed that there is no “greenhouse effect”. I am well aware that the true “greenhouse” gases are N2 and O2. These gases are poor at radiating energy they have acquired from the release of latent heat from condensing water vapour and conductive contact with the surface.
Radiative gases moderate this effect by radiating energy to space from the upper troposphere. The ability of radiative gases to warm by intercepting IR from the surface is inconsequential compared to the cooling it provides at altitude.
Some fools just mixed up “taxing the air we breathe” with “taxing the air we breathe out”.

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