Romm must be fuming. After disappearing his formerly independent “Climate Progress” blog and merging it with the main Think Progress website, where he’s lucky to get a dozen comments a day. His parent organization, Think Progress, utterly fails to mention The Most Important Issue of All Time as a top issue for 2013. Oooh, that’s gotta hurt.
This morning, 31 December 2012, Think Progress provided 12 Progressive Resolutions for 2013. From better drug policy to immigration reform to enacting gun safety laws, many interesting (if not outright good) items in this list. Again, however, the telling thing is the absence of a critical set of issues.
Amid these 12, no (zero, nada, nilch) reference to climate change, the climate cliff, environment, clean energy, green jobs, energy efficiency, fossil fuel impacts on the political system, …
From Get Energy Smart NOW! Stunning Think Progress Climate Silence
It is just one more indication that even the people pushing the issue don’t really much believe in it anymore, especially when we’ve had over a decade of no warming.
h/t to Tom Nelson
In related news, Bill McKibben has apparently gone insane with this latest statement:
‘Fossil-Fuel Companies Have Become Outlaws Against The Laws Of Physics’
Shame Joe doesn’t have more readers. I didn’t want the comments to end.
Come on eco-loons – head over to Joe’s place and have your say.
Happy New Year to all (even the loons at Joe’s place)
Mike Roddy says:
January 1, 2013 at 8:15 am (Edit)
McKibben was too kind. “Criminals” is a much more appropriate term than “outlaws”. The fossil fuel companies are knowingly baking the planet, and are killing people every day. This site just proves the WC Fields adage: “There’s a sucker born every minute!”
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Show us some coroner reports and or some death certificates that attribute the deaths of people “killed every day” to climate change.
Also, a reminder for readers about Mr. Roddy’s view of people he disagrees with: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/22/my-thanks-to-mike-roddy-for-helping-with-best-replication/
Gail Zawacki says:
January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am
Is it possible that the insulation in the roofs of houses is far better than what they had in the past? Never mind the HVAC systems operating completely differently than a dozen years ago? Water vapour transport through attic ventilation? All fairly recent developments in housing.
By all means, continue in your beliefs without using any logic or reasoning skills (or research apparently ).
As for “terrifyingly violent”, please enlighten us less-informed as to what you are referring to exactly? Hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, flooding? Is it Tropical Storm Sandy perhaps?
Continue reading WUWT? and you will begin to understand that none of what you fear stands up under scrutiny ( i.e. actual data ).
Kevin-in-Uk said:
January 1, 2013 at 10:18am
Sorry! 😉
Yep, as I predicted, my comment failed to pass the Rommulan’s gate-keepers.
Like you, I find the comments from Joe’s acolytes about living in tepees, recycling their own farts, and waving ‘Death to the Republicans!’ placards at Eco-festivals all rather stomach-churning.
I wouldn’t care about them one jot if it wasn’t for the fact that people in the media like Romm are helping to perpetuate a myth that is diverting trillions of dollars, pounds, euros, etc away from truly worthy causes (such as securing a better stand of living for those in the developing world) and into the pockets of people such as Al Gore.
/rant
Many years back the popular phrase was; Have a cool yule and a crazy first ! Climate change and global warming is natural and cyclical. Rock and roll.
I’ve responded at get Energy Smart NOW but doubt they would let the truth get out on a blog they control.
This is what is called Attitude Polarisation: you become more extreme, they become more extreme, until each position is a caricature of itself. If there are opportunities for reasoned debate, that would be more fruitful. I am quite new to this so please excuse me if I have intruded in a festival of back-clapping among those who share a view. Happy 2013.
Gail Zawacki says:
January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am says “in our New Jersey winters we always used to have huge icicles all around the roofline of the house.”….” I haven’t seen them in years.”
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Building codes have been tightened. There is more insulation in the attic preventing the escape of heat. That lack of heat prevents snow on the roof from melting and re-freezing into icicles.
While the jokes are enjoyable, the reality is that this is a devastating blow to the CAGW crowd.
The US general public does not give a hoot about CAGW.
I notice that Lisa Jackson (head of EPA) is gone. It will be interesting to see how Obama jumps on CO2 related matters. My guess is that it will be shuffled further and further to the back of the pack. But, since The Environment is like Momma’s apple pie, plenty of subsidies will still be handed out to favoured constituents, whose credentials are based on the discredited CO2 scare.
“Think Progress, utterly fails to mention The Most Important Issue of All Time as a top issue for 2013. Oooh, that’s gotta hurt.”
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Failed to mention any of it? Is this their strategy for retreat, do you think? Will the sign come out next, saying: “Under New Management” followed perhaps by declarations of “That wasn’t us!” and “Wot climate?”
They’ll all be doing it soon.
Oooh, I think 2013 is going to be a wonderful year! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Mike Roddy says:
January 1, 2013 at 8:15 am
Simple suggestion for you and that is survive a Northern Hemisphere winter with no fossil fuels at all. (50N+) No clothes materials made from them (plastics etc), no electricity generated from them. Not sure how you would even get clean water because all the packaging and process uses fossils fuels. Can you cope with no heating and no clean water for a entire winter? They have a important energy source that the planet needs and that’s why they are rich, How many would die without any energy source from fossil fuels? Nothing to back up your nonsense claim and your right, there is a sucker that was born here.
I think somebody’s reality filtration system suffered a total failure system because Hufpo allowed this to be published,
This is way to close to making sense for Hufpo!
RE: Calvin Long says:
January 1, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Gail Zawacki says…….
It is kind of you to explain the improvements in insulation to Gail, Calvin. She needs some care and calming. I checked out her site, “Wit’s End,” and she has page after page of worries. There is not a tree that dies, but she uses it to reaffirm her fears. There is a lot of work involved in creating such a site, pages and pages of typing, but I could go through topic after topic that she lists, calming her, reassuring her…..if she really wanted that. But…does she?
Did Chicken Little really want to be told everything was all right and the world wasn’t coming to an end? Or did she sort of like feeling like Paul Revere and like a hero, and resent being told she was making much ado about nothing?
I suppose I come at this from an odd place. I don’t deny anthropogenically caused disastrous climate change. But, neither do I believe that there are clean energy solutions. This pretty much guarantees that nobody likes me!
There is no way that so-called “green” or “clean” energy can replace the formidable wattage derived from fossil fuels which, after all, ARE fossils in that that they contain energy concentrated over fossilized – millions of years – worth of solar power. Most climate activists (who earn a living proclaiming) like to advocate a switch to solar, wind, geothermal, and magic. I think they are deluded.
However, it’s also true that:
1. we are going to run out of fossil fuels (the fantasy of endless nat gas fracking notwithstanding) and
2. even before that, we are going to choke, quite literally, on the pollution.
That is my main concern. Aside from the inexorable global warming that is going to render much of the earth uninhabitable for every life form we care about (including our own), ozone pollution is rapidly destroying vegetation, which happens to be the bottom of the food chain.
If that notion bothers you at all, download a free book about it (http://www.deadtrees-dyingforests.com/pillage-plunder-pollute-llc/), or check out the blog (http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/) for timely updates.
Here’s the response to your question about deaths from burning fossil fuels, Anthony:
https://sites.google.com/site/yarravalleyclimateactiongroup/pollution-deaths-from-fossil-fuel-based-power-plants
This data is really only disputed by the oil companies.
I think there is hope for you, Anthony, and you could become a force for good just as my old UCB colleague Richard Muller was. You are both more reasonable and humane than some of your fellow skeptics. There is no shame in changing one’s mind in view of the evidence- in this case, from IEA, Price Waterhouse, World Bank, Hadley CRU, etc.
REPLY: Mike, I asked for coroner reports or death certificates, you provide an activist website. Sorry, epic fail on your part – Anthony
I hate to bust any bubbles, but all this means is that stinkprogress is only reallocating resources to focus on other issues to use as drivers in their push to destroy capitalism specifically and western civilization in general. Romm is a professional propagandist. His activities will just be shifted to other areas. The Marxist zombies that they target are easily confused if they have to many issues to rally around. The use of CAGW as a driver will just be backburnered for awhile until the climate is better for it. There are no true believers. There are only those who will use any issue as a pretext, and the useful idiots they manipulate. Those useful idiots will believe eveyrthing they are told to believe and forget about it as soon as they are told to believe something else.
What Gail Zawacki said at January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am
As is often the case, by the time I get through the comments I find that at least two people have pointed out the obvious flaws (or overlooked reasons) for a “telltale sign” of AGW put forth by some “average citizen” who has (quite understandably) bought into the MSM hyped and school system saturated AGW point of view.
Thank goodness Gail came to WUWT in time to enlighten her friends and children to the scam being foisted on her by the warmists.
Dear Gail, if you think Irene and Sandy were terrifying, please read some history on hurricane landfalls on the east coast within the last 100 years. You can even look on wikipedia for some great lists of east coast hurricanes ranked by death and destruction (terror). Like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_Atlantic_hurricanes
Enlighten yourself!
I don’t think that there will be a single moment that will be a surrender in the climate war. The field will slowly be abandoned as the leaders move on to greener pastures and leave the useful tools sputtering but but but. I am not saying they won’t milk this gig for every penny they can for as long as they can but I do see light at the end of the tunnel. We are going to be seeing a lot of retreating this year.
You can feel like you’re winning this, but I’m afraid there is going to be a real shock soon. It is simply too tempting to raise a lot of new money based on “saving the earth.” Whether the science is junk has little to do with this, as it is about the money and what that money will do politically. I’m afraid we’ll lose the war . . .
You may be interested in this article:
http://www.thegwpf.org/noaa-issues-el-nino-watch-for-second-half-of-2012-joe-romm-issues-rapid-warming-alert-for-2013/
By the way, the ENSO meter just dropped from +0.05 to -0.05.
TRM says:
January 1, 2013 at 10:23 am
….Sustainability is a buzzword….
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…for the return to serfdom. The goal is to drive all humans into cities where you are stuck for life. Small business will not be an option (too many regs, not enough room, too expensive) so you get to work for a transnational and if you tick them off you are in a world of hurt since you are STUCK and can not move. Callit a return to the ‘Company town’ concept or Feudalism, it is the same.
See Video – UN Agenda 21 for a very good explanation by a California liberal bureaucrat.
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Mike Roddy at 3:41 pm
Gotta tell you Mike, the link you left is a joke. It contains links to folks who reference each other, and themselves, without ever linking to specific studies. It’s just one big Gaia circle jerk.
Whoa, 100,000 people killed by electric generation world-wide (the horror!).
Try powering just one good sized northern city with electricity from wind and solar and see how many people either die (the green power WILL come back on before we freeze to death), or move quickly (in gas powered transport) to somewhere that isn’t completely insane.
No thanks.
gamanrad says:
January 1, 2013 at 1:23 pm
This is what is called Attitude Polarisation: you become more extreme, they become more extreme, until each position is a caricature of itself. If there are opportunities for reasoned debate, that would be more fruitful…..
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We wish a reasoned debate were possible, it is not.
This is where the other side is coming from:
Robert Watson a World Bank employee was IPCC chair….
None of that $2,000 billion produces anything of use to the human race. It just represents a transfer of wealth from the poor to the financiers.
The IPCC mandate states:
In other words humans were found guilty before the trial was even started. The IPCC is the prosecution and the skeptics are counsel for the defense. However the court (aka the media) will not even let the defense counsel onto the court house steps.
This is not surprising since the banks own the media and will profit handsomely from the CAGW scam as will the energy companies.
The following will give you a flavor of the type of power behind CAGW. For example:
Ged Davis is the Shell Oil VP who wrote the Sustainability Scenarios for the IPCC such as “Sustainable Development (B1)” found in the February, 1998 Climategate e-mail which asks for comments on the attachment: “Draft Paper for the IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios by Ged Davis”
David Hone is not only SHELL OIL’S Senior Climate Change Adviser he is also Chairman of the International Emissions Trading Association. Besides lobbying the UK Parliament to strangle Shale Gas by insisting that CCS be deployed – in which venture he’s succeeded – he and his mentor James Smith, SHELL OIL’S previous UK Chairman, took SHELL very deeply into Carbon Trading.
MORE BACKGROUND:
Banks and the Media:
JP Morgan: Our next big media player?
Judge OKs Tribune reorganization plan
Nasty tangle is it not?
witsendnj says:
January 1, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I suppose I come at this from an odd place. I don’t deny anthropogenically caused disastrous climate change. But, neither do I believe that there are clean energy solutions. This pretty much guarantees that nobody likes me!
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May I suggest you research Thorium Nuclear?
Here is a start:
http://www.technewsdaily.com/2307-nuclear-power-thorium-future.html
http://thoriumsingapore.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57&Itemid=57
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html
http://www.nuclearfaq.ca/brat_fuel.htm
http://wardsauto.com/ar/thorium_power_car_110811
And FUSION: http://www.iter.org/
Mike Roddy, along with Joe Romm are another couple of jokers that need to spend a year following the north end of a south facing mule to get some sense knocked into them…. I wonder which is which?