Bethlehem and the rat-hole problem

rat, mousetrap and cheese

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

In the closing minutes of the final plenary of the U.N.’s Doha climate summit, when no one else had anything further to add, I spent a few seconds telling the delegates something that the bad scientists and the malicious media have done their level best to conceal. There has been no global warming for 16 years.

In the real world, this surely welcome news would have been greeted with cheers of relief and delight. Since the beginning of 1997, despite the wailing and gnashing of dentures among the classe politique, despite the regulations, the taxations, the carbon trades, the windmills, the interminable, earnestly flatulent U.N. conferences, the CO2 concentration that they had declared to be Public Enemy No. 1 has not stabilized. It has grown by one-twelfth.

Yet this startling growth has not produced so much as a twentieth of a Celsius degree of global warming. Any warming below the measurement uncertainty of 0.05 Cº in the global-temperature datasets is statistically indistinguishable from zero.

The much-vaunted “consensus” of the much-touted “ensembles” of the much-heralded “models” has been proven wrong. The much-feted “modelers” had written in 2008 that their much-cited “simulations” ruled out, to 95% confidence, intervals of 15 years or more without global warming. To them, 16 years without warming were as near impossible as makes no difference.

Yet those impossible years happened. However, you would never have known that surely not uninteresting piece of good news from reading the newspapers or watching ABC, BBC, CBC, NBC, et hoc genus omne. The media are not in the business of giving the facts or telling the truth any more.

Precisely because journalists no longer bother to provide the inconvenient truth to their audiences, and because they are no longer willing even to provide the people with the straightforward facts without which democracy itself cannot function, the depressingly ill-informed and scientifically-illiterate delegates in Doha can be forgiven for not having known that global warming stopped a long while back.

That is why they should have been excited and delighted when they heard the news – nearly all of them for the very first time.

But this was the alternative reality that is the corrupt, self-serving U.N. Howls, hoots and hollers of dismay and fury greeted my short, polite announcement. This absurdly inappropriate reaction raises a fascinating question.

How are we to dig a rat-hole wide enough to allow the useful idiots and true-believers to escape as each passing year makes it more and more obvious that their fatuous credo has all the plausibility of the now somewhat discredited notion that the world was to be snuffed out at this year’s winter solstice?

Every student of the arts of diplomacy in the civil-service and staff colleges of the U.K. hears much about the rat-hole problem. How does one let the other side off some hook on which they have imprudently impaled themselves, while minimizing their loss of face?

A cornered rat will fight savagely, even against overwhelming odds, because it has no alternative. Give the rat a way out and it will instinctively take it.

The first step in digging a diplomatic rat-hole is to show that one understands how one’s opponents came to make their mistake. One might make a point of agreeing with their premise – in the present instance, the long-proven fact that adding a greenhouse gas to an atmosphere such as ours can be expected, ceteris paribus, to cause some warming.

Then one tries to find justifications for their standpoint. There are five good reasons why the global warming that they – and we – might have expected has not occurred for 16 years: natural variability in general; the appreciable decline in solar activity since the Grand Maximum that peaked in 1960; the current 30-year cooling phase of the ocean oscillations, which began late in 2001 with the transition from the warming phase that had begun in 1976; the recent double-dip la Niña; and the frequency with which supra-decadal periods without warming have occurred in the instrumental record since 1850.

The next trick is to help them, sympathetically, to focus the blame for their error on as few of their number as possible. Here, the target is obvious. The models are to blame for the mess the true-believers are in.

We must help them to understand why the models got it so very wrong. This will not be easy, because nearly all of our opponents have no science or math at all.

We can start our deconstruction of the models by pointing out that – given the five good reasons why global warming might not occur for 15 years or more at a time – the modelers’ ruling out periods of 15 years or more without warming shows they have given insufficient weight to the influence of natural variability. We can poke gentle fun at their description of CO2 as “ the tuning-knob of the climate”, and help them to put things into perspective by reminding them that Man has so far altered only 1/10,000 of the atmosphere, and may alter 1/3000 of it by 2100.

We cannot altogether avoid the math. But we can put it all in plain English, and we can use logic, which is more accessible to the layman than climatological physics. Here goes.

The fundamental equation of climate sensitivity says temperature change is the product of a forcing and a climate-sensitivity parameter.

The modellers’ definition of forcing is illogical; their assumptions about the value of the climate-sensitivity parameter are not Popper-falsifiable; and their claims of reliability for their long-term predictions are empirically disproven and theoretically insupportable. Let us explain.

The IPCC defines a forcing as the net down-minus-up flux of radiation at the tropopause, holding surface temperature fixed. Yet forcings change that temperature. A proposition and its converse cannot simultaneously be true. That is the fundamental postulate of logic, and the models’ definition of forcing manifestly offends against it.

No surprise, then, that since 1995 the IPCC has had to cut its estimate of the CO2 forcing by 15%. The “consensus” disagrees with itself. Note in passing that the CO2 forcing function is logarithmic: each further molecule causes less warming than those before it. Diminishing returns apply.

We can remind our opponents that direct warming is little more than 1 Cº per doubling of CO2 concentration, well within natural variability. It is not a crisis. We can explain that the modelers have imaginatively introduced amplifying or “positive” temperature feedbacks, which, they hope, will triple the direct warming from CO2.

Yet this dubious hypothesis, not being Popper-falsifiable, is not logic and, therefore, not science. If a hypothesis cannot be checked by any empirical or theoretical method, it is not – stricto sensu – a hypothesis at all. It is of no interest to science.

Not one of the imagined feedbacks is empirically measurable or theoretically determinable to a sufficient precision by any method. As an expert reviewer for the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report, I have described its strongly net-positive feedback interval as guesswork – and that, in logic and therefore in science, is exactly what it is.

There is a powerful theoretical reason for suspecting that the modellers’ guess that feedbacks triple direct warming is erroneous. The climatic closed-loop feedback gain implicit in the IPCC’s climate-sensitivity estimate of 3.3[2.0, 4.5] Cº per CO2 doubling falls on the interval 0.62[0.42, 0.74], though you will find no mention of the crucial concept of loop gain either in the IPCC’s documents or – as far as I can discover – in any of the few papers that discuss the mathematics of temperature feedbacks in the climate object.

Process engineers building electronic circuits, who invented feedback mathematics, tell us any loop gain much above zero is too near the singularity – at a loop gain of 1 – in the feedback-amplification equation. At a gain as high as is implicit in the models’ climate-sensitivity estimates, the geological record would show violent oscillations between extremes of warming and cooling.

Yet for 64 million years the Earth’s surface temperature has fluctuated by only 3%, or 8 Cº, either side of the long-run mean. These fluctuations can give us an ice-planet at one moment and a hothouse Earth the next, but they are altogether too small to be consistent with a feedback loop gain anywhere near as close to the singularity as official estimates imply, for homeostatic conditions prevail.

The atmosphere’s lower bound, the ocean, is a vast heat-sink 1100 times denser than the air. Since 3000 bathythermographs were deployed in 2006 no significant ocean warming has been found.

The upper bound of the atmosphere is outer space, to which any excess heat radiates harmlessly away.

Homeostasis, then, is what we should expect, and it is what we get. Accordingly, the climatic loop gain – far from being as impossibly high as the IPCC’s central estimate of 0.62 – cannot much exceed zero, so the warming at CO2 doubling will scarcely exceed 1 Cº.

It is also worth explaining to our opponents the fundamental reason why models cannot do what the modelers claim for them. The overriding difficulty in attempting to model the climate is that it behaves as a chaotic object. We can never know the values of its millions of defining parameters at any chosen moment to a sufficient precision to permit reliable projection of the bifurcations, or Sandy-like departures from an apparently steady state, that are inherent in all objects that behave chaotically. Therefore, reliable, very-long-term prediction of future climate states is known a priori to be unavailable by any method.

The modelers have tried to overcome this constraint by saying that the models are all we have, so we must make the best of them. But it is self-evidently illogical to use models when reliable, very-long-term weather forecasting is not available by any method.

This fundamental limitation on the reliability of long-term predictions by the models – known as the Lorenz constraint, after the father of computerized or “numerical” weather forecasting, whose 1963 paper Deterministic Non-Periodic Flow founded chaos theory by examining the behavior of a five-variable mini-model of the climate constructed as a heuristic – tells us something more, and very important, about the climate.

Bifurcations (or, in our opponents’ intellectual baby-talk, “tipping-points”) in the evolution of the climate object over time are not a whit more likely to occur in a rapidly-warming climate than in a climate which – like our own – is not warming at all.

Sandy and Bopha, and the hot summer in the U.S., could not have been caused by global warming, for the blindingly obvious reason that for 16 years there has not been any.

However, there are many variables in the climate object other than CO2 concentration and surface temperature. Even the tiniest perturbation in any one of these millions of parameters is enough, in an object that behaves chaotically, to induce a bifurcation.

Nothing in the mathematics of chaos leads one to conclude that “tipping-points” are any more likely to occur in response to a large change in the value of one of the parameters (such as surface temperature) that describe an object than in response to an infinitesimal change.

The clincher, in most diplomatic discussions, is money. Once we have led our opponents to understand that there is simply no reason to place any credence whatsoever in the exaggerations that are now painfully self-evident in the models, we can turn their attention to climate economics.

Pretend, ad argumentum, that the IPCC’s central estimate of 2.8 Cº warming by 2100 is true, and that Stern was right to say that the GDP cost of failing to prevent 3 Cº warming this century will be around 1.5% of GDP. Then, at the minimum 5% market inter-temporal discount rate, the cost of trying to abate this decade’s predicted warming of 0.15 Cº by topical, typical CO2-mitigation measures as cost-ineffective as, say, Australia’s carbon tax would be 48 times greater than the cost of later adaptation. At a zero discount rate, the cost of action will exceed the cost arising from inaction 36 times over.

How so? Australia emits just 1.2% of Man’s CO2, of which Ms. Gillard aims to cut 5% this decade. So Australia’s scheme, even if it worked, would cutting just 0.06% of global emissions by 2020. In turn, that would cut CO2 concentration from a predicted 410 μatm to 409.988 μatm. It is this infinitesimal change in CO2 concentration, characteristic of all measures intended – however piously – to mitigate future warming that is the chief reason why there is no economic case for spending any money at all on mitigation today.

The tiny drop in CO2 concentration would cut predicted temperature by 0.00006 Cº. This pathetic result would be achieved at a cost of $130 billion, which works out at $2 quadrillion/Cº. Abating the 0.15 Cº warming predicted for this decade would thus cost $317 trillion, or $45,000/head worldwide, or 59% of global GDP.

Mitigation measures inexpensive enough to be affordable will be ineffective: measures expensive enough to be effective will be unaffordable. Since the premium exceeds the cost of the risk, don’t insure. That is a precautionary principle worthy of the name.

When the child born in Bethlehem ~2012 years ago grew up, He told His audience the parable of the prodigal son, who had squandered his inheritance but was nevertheless welcomed by his father with a fatted calf when he returned and said he was sorry.

However vicious and cruel the true-believers in the global-warming fantasy have been to those few of us who have dared publicly to question their credo that has now been so thoroughly discredited by events, we should make sure that the rat-hole we dig for their escape from their lavish folly is as commodious as possible.

If all else fails, we can pray for them as He prayed looking down from the Cross on the world He had created.

Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

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Lady in Red
December 26, 2012 1:24 pm

Many years ago, a lovely training lady at Telenet named Lisa Ushman had the unfortunate email
handle Lushman. I vowed to, in creating my own network, never to allow for such unfortunate accidents.
Frankly, I missed this real identify of “Rat Duke,” although I most certainly would not have done so had he been RGB at Duke
…Lady in Red

cosmic
December 26, 2012 1:25 pm

@Gail Combs,
@E.M. Smith,
This is the kind of nut/trougher that we have calling the shots on energy policy in the UK
http://order-order.com/tag/tim-yeo/
http://www.timyeo.org.uk/news/embrace-electricity-market-20-or-fossilize-our-economy
“Super efficient solar cells, anaerobic digestion, wind power, new nuclear reactors, wave and tidal power and carbon capture and storage – these are the technologies of the future!
Smart meters, new grid technology and increased interconnection across the continent will lead to a new ‘energy internet’….
…decentralizing electricity generation, giving consumers much more control of their use of energy, and empowering people and businesses, both large and small, to produce and sell electricity back to the grid themselves.”
We have to have a smart grid and increased interconnection to give consumers more choice. It’s going to empower us. No mention of the fact that intermittent renewable energy necessitates this (at vast expense) to keep the grid stable.
This is David Cameron, the P.M.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/9656311/We-need-more-windfarms-to-power-electric-cars-says-David-Cameron.html
We need more windfarms to supply the juice for electric cars.
It’s part of a fiendishly clever plan.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9668782/David-Cameron-backs-the-EUs-grand-design-for-energy.html
Electric cars, of which we have approximately none, because no one wants them, are to be charged overnight to stabilise the grid.
It seems as if a collective insanity has infected many of the politicians in the Western world.
There’s so much political capital been sunk, and so many rackets and sinecures depending on it, that as I say, I don’t see it ending without large numbers of people being hurt.

Gail Combs
December 26, 2012 1:31 pm

phlogiston says: December 25, 2012 at 3:02 pm
…..Politically, skeptics need to step back from a position that appears to say that nothing humans do can harm the earth’s ecosystem or climate. We can harm it. This apparent complacency is what enrages activists on the other side….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That is as much a tall-tale as the “skeptics are well funded by the oil companies” lie is. However those lies and the rest of the mud slinging is used to make sure those covered in mud are not heard. The fact that mud-slinging is used is a BIG CLUE that CAGW is not about the climate but about money.
The other big two clues are:
the IPCC mandate:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to assess the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of human induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for mitigation and adaptation.
http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/

It was never about determining what factors control the climate. Mankind had already been judged guilty by the UN before the IPCC was formed.

World Bank Carbon Finance Report for 2007
The carbon economy is the fastest growing industry globally with US$84 billion of carbon trading conducted in 2007, doubling to $116 billion in 2008, and expected to reach over $200 billion by 2012 and over $2,000 billion by 2020

The IPCC was always about money. That is why Robert T. Watson of the World Bank was head of the IPCC before Patchy. That is why the ‘Danish Text’ at Copenhagen handed control of the carbon trade over to the World Bank.
It is also why the real rats are untouchable as always. They know better than to come out into the light of day. It is the scientists and possibly the politicians and media who will end up tried and hung in the court of public opinion while the behind the scene movers and shakers move on to the next big bubble. From the looks of it that bubble is going to be food….

Alexandriu Doru
December 26, 2012 1:33 pm

Lary.P
1.Your objection over the quality of global temperature data is not valid
When using a single thermometer to evaluate the trend on a 1200 km radius there is an error DELTA.
When using 10000 thermometers on the whole globe to do the same thing,the error is DELTA/100
(100=SQRT(10000)).
When you suggest that all the 6 main temperature series have wrong error bars, you must give strong
arguments ,else…..
2.All the 6 main temperature series show 0.15…0.22celsius of warming of the last decade versus the precedent one(BEST gives 0.3354celsius warming over the land)
The earth is warming

D Böehm
December 26, 2012 1:45 pm

icarus says:
“…we already have over 30 years of an unequivocal AGW trend…”
“Unequivocal”?? Sorry, icarus, that is nothing but a conjecture. An opinion. And it is wrong. You have zero testable scientific evidence showing that AGW even exists. It may. But there is no falsifiable evidence proving that AGW exists, and even if it does, it is only a minor, third order forcing that can be disregarded as trivial. All you are doing is displaying your belief system.
Jo Brighton and Alexandriu Doru claim that the planet is warming. They are wrong. The planet has stopped warming. It may resume warming, but for the time being warming has stalled.
When folks like Jo, Alex and icarus insist on believing something that is provably untrue, they are commenting as True Believers, and nothing we say can penetrate their cognitive dissonance.

mpainter
December 26, 2012 1:48 pm

John West says: December 26, 2012 at 1:04 pm
(A box of cigars to anyone who can convincingly argue that language is either created (by man) or the product of an evolutionary process but not both.)
================================
no cigar. Evolution is predicated on and follows behaviour i.e., our speech development follows our efforts to speak, otherwise, wherefore natural selection?

Gail Combs
December 26, 2012 2:04 pm

gnomish says: December 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm
….The ONLY valid ethical considerations are RIGHTS and DAMAGE, after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Agreed.
If CAGW had stopped before the EU and now Australia went carbon trading happy, before governments started closing down power plants replacing them with useless, expensive boondoggles like windmill, I would have agreed with Lord Monckton. Now that thousands are dying and millions are living in poverty while the climate scam pushers take home $104,000 a year or more I find I am far less willing to act like a rug. (Females and grizzlies and all that.)

Alexandriu Doru
December 26, 2012 2:06 pm

Lary.P
To be more specific ,here are the warmings of the 2001-2010 decade versus the 1991-2000 decade
RSS………0.17903C
UAH………0.23037C
HADCRU…0.20749C
GISS……..0.22742C
BEST……..0.3354C
http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/rss/from:1991/compress:120/plot/uah/from:1991/compress:120/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1991/compress:120/plot/gistemp/from:1991/compress:120

D Böehm
December 26, 2012 2:20 pm

Alexandriu Doru,
Let’s look at a graph of the Wood For Trees HadCRUT database:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/HadCrut3Global.jpg
Clearly, you are wrong. The planet has stopped warming. Not that it matters; warming is beneficial. More is better. It is cold that kills.
I can provide more WFT graphs showing that warming has stalled, if you like. Just ask. You can learn a lot at WUWT. Conversely, if you try to pass off bogus propaganda here, you will be called on it.

Reply to  D Böehm
December 26, 2012 3:11 pm

D Böehm:
In the Friends of Science plot, the straight line does not represent reality but rather a model of reality. Thus, that the slope of this line is negative does not support your conclusion that “the planet has stopped warming.” According to the observational data, the global temperature fluctuated.

icarus62
December 26, 2012 2:21 pm

D Böehm: The evidence shows no reduction in the global warming trend. We have ocean heat content data showing the planet gaining heat during the last decade at twice the rate of the two previous decades. We have global sea level rise still accelerating. We have Arctic sea ice in yet another record minimum, plus continuing ice mass loss on the Greenland and Antarctic ice caps. This is all occurring *despite* the recent unusually deep and prolonged solar minimum. If you recall, the planet is accumulating heat at a rate equivalent to around 430,000 Hiroshima explosions every single day. It’s clearly incorrect to claim that there has been any lessening of the global warming trend. The anthropogenically enhanced greenhouse effect is completely overwhelming natural cooling influences such as the multi-decade decline in solar irradiance, the small negative forcing from orbital cycles and a small negative forcing from increased volcanic stratospheric aerosols. It would be reckless to just sit back and hope that some large, prolonged and as-yet-unanticipated natural cooling influence is going to manifest itself and counteract our very large climate forcing. We really need to be looking at viable ways of sequestering hundreds of billions of tons of CO₂ from the atmosphere in order to reduce the now very large planetary energy imbalance and slow down global warming.

Reply to  icarus62
December 26, 2012 3:21 pm

icarus62:
Your conclusion that “the anthropogenically enhanced greenhouse effect is completely overwhelming natural cooling influences” is necessarily unsupported by predictive models, for there are no such models.

Greg House
December 26, 2012 2:21 pm

Alexandriu Doru says, December 26, 2012 at 1:33 pm: “When using a single thermometer to evaluate the trend on a 1200 km radius there is an error DELTA.”
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Is it not what warmists do?

DirkH
December 26, 2012 2:30 pm

icarus62 says:
December 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm
“We really need to be looking at viable ways of sequestering hundreds of billions of tons of CO₂ from the atmosphere in order to reduce the now very large planetary energy imbalance and slow down global warming.”
Well then go and plant a tree you dolt.

Gail Combs
December 26, 2012 2:52 pm

JoBrighton says:
December 25, 2012 at 4:01 pm
…. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the work of the NOAA….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The rest of us have and we take the LONG view, not Hansen’s apocalyptic rantings.
graph
graph
graph
graph
graph
And the real killer graph
The only real energy input into the earth’s climate system is that big bright ball up there in the sky. The Milancovitch theory is proving solid especially since Gerald Roe’s new paper (second easy to read link )
The amount of sun’s energy is diminishing NO ONE disputes that!

Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception (2007)
Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started….

As many skeptics keep saying, it is not warming that is the danger it is COOLING and what it does to agricuture. The Koppen climate classification based on plants shows just how much the cooling of the 1970 decade effected US agriculture. graph Zoom in and look at the bottom graph. The vegetation zone dropped 3/4 of the whole width of Kansas in a DECADE! Also notice except for 1910 which was also cooler, the rest of the decades are all clustered around the same area.
Then look at the Koppen World Map. Most of the land mass is in the north of the northern hemisphere.

Figure 2: Global maps of current crop yield trends. world maps of crops
“At each political unit where (a) maize, (b) rice, (c) wheat and (d) soybean crop yields were tracked globally, we determined the status of their current yield trend. The trends were divided into the six categories and colour coded” Recent patterns of crop yield growth and stagnation Deepak K. Ray, Navin Ramankutty, Nathaniel D. Mueller, Paul C. West & Jonathan A. Foley

Based on agriculture I rather have 2C warmer rather than 2C cooler. History tells us it is cooler that means famine and revolution and civilization collapse.

D Böehm
December 26, 2012 2:54 pm

icarus62,
You are wrong about the sea level. It is not accelerating. In fact, sea level rise is decelerating.
Next, the alarmist prediction was that polar ice would decline — both Arctic and Antarctic ice. However, only Arctic ice is declining. Antarctic ice is growing. Therefore, the prediction is falsified, just like all the other alarmist predictions. You cannot cherry-pick one pole, and claim you were right. In fact, you were wrong.
Next, you continue to post your alarming sounding “Hiroshima” nonsense. You were called on it up-thread. Stop it. It is completely bogus, and the planet itself is falsifying your scare stories.
Next, you are wrong about global warming. Global warming has stopped, despite your false assertion.
Next, your “anthropogenically enhanced greenhouse effect” is nothing but a baseless assertion. You have no empirical, testable evidence proving that AGW exists. It may. But that still does not make your statement anything other than an evidence-free assertion.
Finally, your statement: “We really need to be looking at viable ways of sequestering hundreds of billions of tons of CO₂ from the atmosphere in order to reduce the now very large planetary energy imbalance and slow down global warming” is foolish nonsense. As shown above, global warming has stopped. Furthermore, CO2 is completely harmless, and beneficial to the biosphere. More is better. You cannot show any testable, empirical evidence of global harm due to the rise in CO2. But there is irrefutable evidence that more CO2 increases agricultural productivity.
Everything in your comment stems from your misguided belief system. Neither science nor the scientific method have anything to do with your mistaken beliefs. You are a captive of incessant anti-“carbon” propaganda, and you can no longer think objectively.
Nothing unprecedented is happening. Global temperatures have been much higher, and much lower during the Holocene, when CO2 was very low; therefore CO2 has nothing measurable to do with global temperature. You have been frightened by a pseudo-science clique pushing an agenda. What is unusual about your comment is not that you have posted ‘facts’ that are not true; but that everything in your comment is wrong. You need to get a grip.

Werner Brozek
December 26, 2012 2:54 pm

Alexandriu Doru says:
December 26, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Yes, but if you start only 2 years earlier, in1999 , you get 1.2celsius /century.
Different data sets give different results over different time periods. However even IF we go by this result, we still have 100 years to reach 2 C since we have apparently gone up 0.8 C so far. And much can change over the next 100 years technology wise. Recall that a hundred years ago someone calculated that all roads would under many feet of horse manure by now. Of course the car changed all that. We could well have nuclear fusion in a decade so the presumed issue with CO2 will not be relevant. Either way, it is not worth it to spend billions on carbon capture and the like for what may be a non problem. We may even have cooling soon according to Dr. Luning. See
More WUWT.TV: Interview and presentation with Dr. Sebastian Lüning
He wrote “Die Kalte Sonne” (The cold sun) with Dr. Franz Vahrenholt
On contrary the 10 years mean may be started in any year and gives the same result:more than 0.2 celsius for the last decade
This is quite a bit more than the “1.2celsius /century” you mentioned above. Please give me a single data set that goes to November 2012 and that goes back between 10 and 16 years from November 2012 and which shows a slope of “more than 0.2 celsius for the last decade”.

December 26, 2012 2:55 pm

icarus62 says:
December 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm
D Böehm: The evidence shows no reduction in the global warming trend. We have ocean heat content data showing the planet gaining heat during the last decade at twice the rate of the two previous decades.
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my bold
Good Heavens! What is it about the warmista here?
Icarus, you don’t have, no one has, any such data. That’s a falsehood that even a 10 y/o could see. If you’ve been following the conversation, we’ve already discussed the Argo buoys. When were they deployed? Was there any comparable system in place prior to this inadequate amount of data gathering? No, of course not. Pretending we have any useful OHC data prior to this century is as stupid as pretending we knew what the global temp average was in 1850.
I don’t know what’s worse. The unfathomable ignorance displayed or the insult of the warmista believing people here don’t already know these are blatant falsehoods.

icarus62
December 26, 2012 2:59 pm

DirkH says:
December 26, 2012 at 2:30 pm
icarus62 says:
December 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm
“We really need to be looking at viable ways of sequestering hundreds of billions of tons of CO₂ from the atmosphere in order to reduce the now very large planetary energy imbalance and slow down global warming.”
Well then go and plant a tree you dolt.

That’s nice. I’ve planted four, as it happens, but since the entire terrestrial biosphere is only absorbing about a quarter of our annual emissions, we’ll never be able to grow enough extra biomass to sequester enough by that method alone. We’re clearly going to need a technological solution – presumably one that hasn’t been invented yet – and of course a huge and zero-carbon energy source to power it. I’d say that’s a pretty big predicament we’ve got ourselves into.

icarus62
December 26, 2012 3:07 pm

E.M.Smith: The whole point of a rocket stove is that it doesn’t make any smoke (if you’ve built it right) because it all gets burnt on its way up the chimney. All you will see above the stove is the heat shimmer.

RACookPE1978
Editor
December 26, 2012 3:08 pm

Alexandriu Doru says:
December 26, 2012 at 2:06 pm
To be more specific ,here are the warmings of the 2001-2010 decade versus the 1991-2000 decade
RSS………0.17903C
UAH………0.23037C
HADCRU…0.20749C
GISS……..0.22742C
BEST……..0.3354C

Please explain how you (think) you calculated those values. Seems like you averaged one decade of RISING temperatures, then subtracted the average of one decade of not-rising temperatures ….
NO database shows RISING temperatures the past 10, 12, 14, or 16 years.

icarus62
December 26, 2012 3:14 pm

James Sexton: The OHC data is consistent with the accelerating sea level rise, the accelerating loss of Arctic sea ice (over 80% decline in summer minimum ice volume in just the last 30 years), the rapidly accelerating melting of the Greenland ice cap, the accelerating loss of glacier mass worldwide, the accelerating Antarctic ice mass loss… it’s really completely implausible to suggest that the world is *not* warming rapidly, given the weight of evidence. Real-world observations trump unsupported assertions every time.

Gail Combs
December 26, 2012 3:20 pm

William McClenney says:
December 25, 2012 at 5:26 pm
AlecM says:
December 25, 2012 at 4:36 pm
And the physics at an end extreme interglacial would be………
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Well one paper came up with the bi-polar seesaw that we are now seeing in the Arctic/Antarctic Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? Another thread by a California Licensed Professional Geologist and former Certified Environmental Auditor has a lot of references to peer-reviewed papers: The End Holocene, or How to Make Out Like a ‘Madoff’ Climate Change Insurer
He says

Savvy insurers take note to make appropriate use of the “Acts of God” clauses.
Boettger, et al (Quaternary International 207 [2009] 137–144) abstract it:

“In terrestrial records from Central and Eastern Europe the end of the Last Interglacial seems to be characterized by evident climatic and environmental instabilities recorded by geochemical and vegetation indicators. The transition (MIS 5e/5d) from the Last Interglacial (Eemian, Mikulino) to the Early Last Glacial (Early Weichselian, Early Valdai) is marked by at least two warming events as observed in geochemical data on the lake sediment profiles of Central (Gro¨bern, Neumark–Nord, Klinge) and of Eastern Europe (Ples). Results of palynological studies of all these sequences indicate simultaneously a strong increase of environmental oscillations during the very end of the Last Interglacial and the beginning of the Last Glaciation.

….In discussing the Late Eemian Aridity Pulse (LEAP) at the end-Eemian, Sirocko et al (A late Eemian aridity pulse in central Europe during the last glacial inception, nature, vol. 436, 11 August 2005, doi:10.1038/nature03905, pp 833-836) opine:

“Investigating the processes that led to the end of the last interglacial period is relevant for understanding how our ongoing interglacial will end, which has been a matter of much debate…..”
“The onset of the LEAP occurred within less than two decades, demonstrating the existence of a sharp threshold, which must be near 416 Wm2, which is the 65oN July insolation for 118 kyr BP (ref. 9). This value is only slightly below today’s value of 428 Wm2. Insolation will remain at this level slightly above the inception for the next 4,000 years before it then increases again.”

Now that is some bombshell! We may only have about the next 4,000 years, a little less than half the time since we “Homos” learned how to write, where climate sensitivity will be alarmingly close to glacial inception….

Doesn’t exactly leave one with the warm fuzzies does it?

davidmhoffer
December 26, 2012 3:25 pm

Monckton of Brenchley;
The argument from appeal to authority or reputation, which the medieval schoolmen called the argumentum ad verecundiam, is one of the dozen logical fallacies marked out 2350 years ago by Aristotle as among the commonest in human discourse, and Mr. Hoffer should really not still be clinging to it today.
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I’m clinging to nothing but my own opinion as informed by my own observations from a background in science and many years of participating in this forum. You sir, are missing an opportunity.
richardscourtney and I disagree vehemently on matters of politics and religion, despite which we can frequently be found in this forum supporting each other in explaining the science to those who ask questions and debating those who misrepresent the science in order to set the record straight. As much as I was surprised by rgbatduke’s rebuke, the fact of the matter is that you opened the door by injecting religion into the discussion in the first place. Had you been anyone but the highly respected and well known figure that you are, I doubt that his would have been the only one.
At day’s end, I don’t care one bit what his religious beliefs are, or yours, provided that neither of you attempt to cram them down my throat. What I do care about is that climate science has become unbelievably corrupted in a manner that is detrimental to us all and could easily go from bad to worse, far worse. rgbatduke is a knowledgeable, credible and articulate man who is not only a comrade in arms, but could potentially serve as a valuable resource to you.
It would be to the benefit of us all if you were to set aside your ire and recognize a valuable ally. It isn’t as if we skeptics have an over abundance. I’m certain that a man who could brazenly doff his hat to a crowd of angry coal miners and coax them into a local pub for a pint can find within himself the same diplomacy to set aside differences on things that matter not to the climate science debate and focus on the things that do, much as richardscourtney and I have.

D Böehm
December 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Terry Oldberg,
If you didn’t like that last chart, here is another similar chart. And another one.
My point is that global warming has stopped. It may resume. Or not. We don’t know. But the assertion that CO2 is the cause of global warming becomes more questionable every day.

E.M.Smith
Editor
December 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Alexandriu Doru says:
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On contrary the 10 years mean may be started in any year and gives the same result:more than 0.2 celsius for the last decade
The earth is warming.

Oh please… A running average ( 10 year mean ) is used to hide short term changes AND is known to effectively lag by the period of the mean so hides inflections in the end.
You can only reasonably say from such a series “the earth HAD warmed” and can’t say anything about the last 10 years.
So take a 30 year warming 1/2 cycle and put a 10 year running average on it is going to give you 40 years duration to stretch it out and hide the inflection at the end. If your purpose is to lie with averages, it’s a great technique. If your purpose is to find inflection points, it’s a lousy “exactly wrong” one.
In stock charting / trading this is well known. What can be used is a “MACD – Moving Average Convergence / Divergence” where two moving averages (one much shorter than the other) are used and the difference between them plotted. THAT shows the inflection point while still allowing some smoothing of the data.
Now I’ve looked at a few hundred thousand stock charts over the last years and I’ve gotten my brain trained to where I can see the pattern out of the chaotic movements pretty clearly even without doing the formal MACD (et. al.) plotting. The present temperature chart just screams “Inflection after a blow-off-top”. Frequently there will be a big ‘last hurrah’ on an ending trend / run. That was 1998. Then there will be an attempt to match it that fails. That is the “failure to advance” and last call to bail out. We’ve had that too. Then starts the long slow trend in the other direction. The sure fire way to lose your shirt is to use a long period moving average and completely miss the inflections.
(Stock and weather are remarkably similar, from a mathematics point of view. Both chaotic. Both with a solar cycle component, but not a dominant one. Both with modestly dirty data subject to manipulation. Both benefit from using the same analytical tools. etc. etc.)
So your use of a 10 year moving average says one of two things:
1) You are ignorant of the profound limitation and that it hides inflections and masks the end of the data for the averaging period.
2) You are well aware of that and using it “for effect”.
Ignorant or deceptive.
I’d suggest using another technique if that is not the message you wish folks to receive….
West:
Language evolved. Listen to animals. They speak. The language varies in complexity by species, but it is there. I’ve learned to speak poor “Bunnish” with my rabbits. They have a series of grunts and ‘rupt rupt’ sounds and teeth chatters. A slightly too ‘tight’ and loud ‘rupt rupt rupt” becomes the “Warning!! Predatory Bird!” sentence of “RRUPT RRUPT RUUPT!!” and they all scatter to the warren. ( I learned this in my yard of ‘free range bunnies’ by accidentally doing the ‘I’m just grazing rupt rupt rupt” with too much tension and vigor… it’s reliable and repeatable, BTW. Oh, and a ‘tooth chatter’ quiet and gentle is “I’m really happy.”)
Looks at wolves. A variety of howls, growls, yips and whimpers. and all that is before you even start to get to whales and dolphins et. al.
So language evolved. Over many species and a billion years or so. We’re just a bit more complex about it than others (and so arrogant as to think the sounds and postures other species use isn’t a language…)
Oh, and as Sign Language also uses the language centers of the brain, it, too, is a language. (Historically hearing folks often tried to deride it as ‘just gestures’…) So things like a facial expression can convey a word. This, then, means that facial expressions in dogs and bears, and even things like tail position and fur bristle can be seen as a language. Can anyone really look at a sideways cat, back arched, fur puffed, hissing and NOT think “that cat is saying to leave me alone.”?
As apes can learn 100 words or so of sign language, they clearly have the brain structures for language (just more limited than ours). I suspect that if we tried, we could learn to speak their hoots and hollers language. (Or construct an artificial spoken language suited to their vocal hardware for us to share.)
So language evolved. In some species more than in others, and in many species with a significant non-verbal form.
While all human languages are created in the specifics, the hardware and stickyware evolved and the processing of languages with it. All forms of languages. That we now can create artificial languages, and that people are skilled at many languages, does not denigrate that the other beings on this planet have some level of languages too. (Put calves on a truck to haul them away and the cows will be bawling in a way that is unmistakably saying “Stop, bring back my calf!” Spank a bull and hear the snort of derision… Look at the faces of each and they, too, are saying different things. No, none of them will write a novel. Yet “They speak!”… if you will only learn to listen…)

Bruce Cobb
December 26, 2012 4:06 pm

@icarus62, Your so-called “real-world observations” are in fact nothing more than unsupported assertions, aka lies. BTW, have you been able to figure out yet what temps have done the past 16 years, and what that says about the GCMs, or do you need more time?

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