Monckton on his smashing the U.N. wall of silence on lack of warming, and censure

UPDATE: The Russian TV channel “RT” aka “TV-Novosti” blames Monckton for the failure of COP18 to fail to reach an agreement:

The 18th Climate Change Summit in Doha is drawing to an end after once again failing to find common consensus on what it calls a major threat to human existence. Failure seemed inevitable after climate skeptic Lord Monckton crashed the event.

LOL! Source here

From Christopher Monckton of Brenchley in Doha, Qatar

I have been a bad boy. At the U.N. climate conference in Doha, I addressed a plenary session of national negotiating delegates though only accredited as an observer.

One just couldn’t resist. There they all were, earnestly outbidding each other to demand that the West should keep them in pampered luxury for the rest of their indolent lives, and all on the pretext of preventing global warming that has now become embarrassingly notorious for its long absence.

No one was allowed to give the alternative – and scientifically correct – viewpoint. The U.N.’s wall of silence was rigidly in place.

The microphone was just in front of me. All I had to do was press the button. I pressed it. The Chair recognized Myanmar (Burmese for Burma). I was on.

On behalf of the Asian Coastal Co-operation Initiative, an outfit I had thought up on the spur of the moment (it sounded just like one of the many dubious taxpayer-funded propaganda groups at the conference), I spoke for less than a minute.

Quietly, politely, authoritatively, I told the delegates three inconvenient truths they would not hear from anyone else:

• There has been no global warming for 16 of the 18 years of these wearisome, self-congratulatory yadayadathons.

• It is at least ten times more cost-effective to see how much global warming happens and then adapt in a focused way to what little harm it may cause than to spend a single red cent futilely attempting to mitigate it today.

• An independent scientific enquiry should establish whether the U.N.’s climate conferences are still heading in the right direction.

As I delivered the last of my three points, there were keening shrieks of rage from the delegates. They had not heard any of this before. They could not believe it. Outrage! Silence him! Free speech? No! This is the U.N.! Gettimoff! Eeeeeeeeeagh!

One of the hundreds of beefy, truncheon-toting U.N. police at the conference approached me as I left the hall and I was soon surrounded by him and a colleague. They took my conference pass, peered at it and murmured into cellphones.

Trouble was, they were having great difficulty keeping a straight face.

Put yourself in their sensible shoes. They have to stand around listening to the tedious, flatulent mendacities of pompous, overpaid, under-educated diplomats day after week after year. Suddenly, at last, someone says “Boo!” and tells the truth.

Frankly, they loved it. They didn’t say so, of course, or they’d have burst out laughing and their stony-faced U.N. superiors would not have been pleased.

I was amiably accompanied out into the balmy night, where an impressive indaba of stony-faced U.N. officials were alternately murmuring into cellphones and murmuring into cellphones. Murmuring into cellphones is what they do best.

After a few minutes the head of security – upper lip trembling and chest pulsating as he did his best to keep his laughter to himself – briefly stopped murmuring into his cellphone and bade me a cheerful and courteous goodnight.

The national delegation from Burma, whose microphone I had borrowed while they were out partying somewhere in the souk, snorted an official protest into its cellphone.

An eco-freako journalist, quivering with unrighteous indignation, wrote that I had been “evicted”. Well, not really. All they did was to say a cheery toodle-pip at the end of that day’s session. They couldn’t have been nicer about it.

The journalist mentioned my statement to my fellow-delegates that there had been no global warming for 16 years. What she was careful not to mention was that she had interviewed me at some length earlier in the day. She had sneered that 97% of climate scientists thought I was wrong.

I had explained to her that 100% of climate scientists would agree with me that there had been no global warming for 16 years if they were to check the facts, which is how science (as opposed to U.N. politics) is done.

I had also told her how to check the facts (but she had not checked them):

Step 1. Get the monthly mean global surface temperature anomalies since January 1997 from the Hadley Centre/CRU. The data, freely available online, are the U.N.’s preferred way to measure how much global warming has happened. Or you could use the more reliable satellite data from the University of Alabama at Huntsville or from Remote Sensing Systems Inc.

Step 2. Put the data into Microsoft Excel and use its routine that calculates the least-squares linear-regression trend on the data. Linear regression determines the underlying trend in a dataset over a given period as the slope of the unique straight line through the data that minimizes the sum of the squares of the absolute differences or “residuals” between the points corresponding to each time interval in the data and on the trend-line. Phew! If that is too much like doing real work (though Excel will do it for you at the touch of a button), find a friendly, honest statistician.

Step 3. Look up the measurement uncertainty in the dataset. Since measuring global temperature reliably is quite difficult, properly-collated temperature data are presented as central estimates flanked by upper and lower estimates known as the “error bars”.

Step 4. Check whether the warming (which is the difference between the first and last value on the trend-line) is greater or smaller than the measurement uncertainty. If it is smaller, falling within the error-bars, the trend is statistically indistinguishable from zero. There has been no warming – or, to be mathematically nerdy, there has been no statistically-significant warming.

The main point that the shrieking delegates here in Doha don’t get is this. It doesn’t matter how many profiteering mad scientists say global warming is dangerously accelerating. It isn’t. Period. Get over it.

The fact that there has been no global warming for 16 years is just that – a fact. It does not mean there is no such thing as global warming, or there has not been any global warming in the past, or there will be none in future.

In the global instrumental temperature record, which began in 1860, there have been several periods of ten years or more without global warming. However, precisely because these periods occur frequently, they tend to constrain the overall rate of warming.

Ideally, one should study periods of warming that are either multiples of 60 years or centered on a transition year between the warming and cooling (or cooling and warming) phases of the great ocean oscillations. That way, the distortions caused by the naturally-occurring 30-year cooling and 30-year warming phases are minimized.

Let’s do it. I have had the pleasure of being on the planet for 60 years. I arrived when it first became theoretically possible for our CO2 emissions to have a detectable effect on global temperature. From 1952 to the present, the planet has warmed at a rate equivalent to 1.2 Celsius degrees per century.

Or we could go back to 1990, the year of the first of the four quinquennial Assessment Reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPeCaC). It predicted that from 1990-2025 the world would warm at 3.0 Cº/century, giving 1 Cº warming by 2025.

Late in 2001 there was a phase-transition from the warming to the cooling phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the most influential of the ocean oscillations. From 1990-2001 is 11 years; from 2001-2012 is 11 years. So 1990-2012 is a period centered on a phase-transition: with minimal natural distortion, it will indicate the recent temperature trend.

Since 1990 the world has warmed at 1.4 Cº, century, or a little under 0.3 Cº in all. Note that 1.4 Cº/century is a little greater than the 1.2 Cº/century observed since 1952. However, the period since 1990 is little more than a third of the period since 1952, and shorter periods are liable to exhibit somewhat steeper trends than longer periods.

So the slightly higher warming rate of the more recent period does not necessarily indicate that the warming rate is rising, and it is certainly not rising dangerously.

For the 21st century as a whole, IPeCaC is predicting not 1.2 or 1.4 Cº warming but close to 3 Cº, more than doubling the observed post-1990 warming rate. Or, if you believe the latest scare paper from our old fiends the University of East Anglia, up to 6 Cº, quadrupling it.

That is not at all likely. The maximum warming rate that persisted for at least ten years in the global instrumental record since 1850 has been 0.17 Cº. This rate occurred from 1860-1880; 1910-1940; and 1976-2001.

It is only in the last of these three periods that we could have had any warming influence: yet the rate of warming over that period is the same as in the two previous periods.

All three of these periods of rapidish warming coincided with warming phases of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. The climate scare got underway about halfway through the 1976-2001 warming phase.

In 1976 there had been an unusually sharp phase-transition from the cooling to the warming phase. By 1988 James Hansen was making his lurid (and now disproven) temperature predictions before the U.S. Congress, after Al Gore and Sen. Tim Wirth had chosen a very hot June day for the hearing and had deliberately turned off the air-conditioning.

Here is a summary of the measured and predicted warming rates:

Measured warming rate, 1997-2012 0.0 Cº/century
Measured warming rate, 1952-2012 1.2 Cº/century
Measured warming rate, 1990-2012 1.4 Cº/century
Measured warming rate, 1860-1880 1.7 Cº/century
Measured warming rate, 1910-1940 1.7 Cº/century
Measured warming rate, 1976-2001 1.7 Cº/century
Predicted warming rate in IPCC (1990), 1990-2025 3.0 Cº/century
Predicted warming rate in IPCC (2007), 2000-2100 3.0 Cº/century
Predicted warming rate by UEA (2012), 2000-2100 4.0-6.0 Cº/century

But it is virtually impossible to tell the negotiating delegates any of what I have set out here. They would simply not understand it. Even if they did understand it, they would not care. Objective scientific truth no longer has anything to do with these negotiations. Emotion is all.

A particularly sad example of the mawkish emotionalism that may yet destroy the economies of the West was the impassioned statement by the negotiating delegate from the Philippines to the effect that, after the typhoon that has just killed hundreds of his countrymen, the climate negotiations have taken on a new, life-or-death urgency.

As he left the plenary session, the delegates stood either side of the central aisle and showed their sympathy by applauding him. Sympathy for his country was appropriate; sympathy for his argument was not.

After 16 years with no global warming – and, if he reads this posting, he will know how to check that for himself rather than believing the soi-disant “consensus” – global warming that has not happened cannot have caused Typhoon Bhopa, any more than it could have caused extra-tropical storm Sandy.

It is possible that illegal mining and logging played no small part in triggering the landslide that killed many of those who lost their lives.

Perhaps the Philippines should join the Asian Coastal Co-Operation Initiative. Our policy is that the international community should assist all nations to increase their resilience in the face of the natural disasters that have been and will probably always be part of life on Earth.

That is an objective worthier, more realistic, more affordable, and more achievable than attempting, Canute-like, to halt the allegedly rising seas with a vote to establish a second “commitment period” under the Kyoto Protocol.

Will someone please tell the delegates? Just press the button and talk. You may not be heard, though. Those who are not partying somewhere in the souk will be murmuring into their cellphones.

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Footnote by Anthony: Here is the video on Monckton’s address to the Doha COP18 conference.

No video has yet surfaced of him being “evicted” as the Telegraph journalist claims, suggesting that Monckton’s account of leaving the hall might be more accurate. The chair on the dais says “thank you” at the end, and didn’t call for security to evict Monckton.

Note: See also this week’s Friday Funny for Josh’s take on this. – Anthony

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Sean
December 7, 2012 4:33 pm

Its odd how the UN willfully disregards, the UN declaration on human rights and now thinks that free speech is a crime. Or maybe it is less odd and more so criminal. Again I call for a halt to all funding of the UN.

RockyRoad
December 7, 2012 4:45 pm

Peter Wirfs: As a geologist I recommend that you pray (or at least be thankful) for every warm day between now and when the next Ice Age kicks in. Because when that happens, everybody will be sitting around flagelatting themselves with their own belts that they were worried about a little warmth when their big (and I do mean BIG) problem will be wondering how we’ll all survive.
Go take a peek at what happens to temperatures with the onset of an Ice Age. Subtract that from the average temperatures where you currently live (weather.com is a good source), and figure out how you’ll even be able to grow carrots there.
Then go find how long scientists figure it takes for the earth to revert from a typical temperate Interglacial climate back into the next Ice Age. Palynologists will help you there.
And then try to get some sleep tonight.

December 7, 2012 4:51 pm

well done sir, well done.
I also enjoy your articles over at worldnetdaily.
thank you for being the right person in the right place at the right times and being right enough to do whats right 🙂

JBirks
December 7, 2012 4:51 pm

I’m wondering how Myanmar, or whatever it’s calling itself these days, one of the poorest countries on earth, is sending a delegation to Qatar in the first place. Also, what “party” was their delegation attending?

Ben D.
December 7, 2012 4:52 pm

Well RT has given Christopher excellent coverage…
http://rt.com/news/climate-change-summit-failure-518/

richardscourtney
December 7, 2012 5:03 pm

Sean:
At December 7, 2012 at 4:33 pm you write

Its odd how the UN willfully disregards, the UN declaration on human rights and now thinks that free speech is a crime. Or maybe it is less odd and more so criminal. Again I call for a halt to all funding of the UN.

NO! Your comment shows a lack of understanding of the courage displayed by Viscount Monckton of Brenchley.
Observers to a Conference are allowed to observe and they do not have a right to participate. And this is true whomever organised the Conference. Free speech does NOT include taking the seat of an official delegate to a Conference then using that position to address the Conference.
But Lord Monckton did that as a deliberate act of civil disobedience to enable those present and others observing at the Doha CoP to hear important pertinent and factual information which otherwise would not have been presented.
His act of civil disobedience was conducted in a country which is not noted for its record on Human Rights. Any such act in such a place is an act of bravery.
Richard

Bruce Cobb
December 7, 2012 5:04 pm

Pete Wirfs, for the umpteenth time, it is illogical to call the last 16 years a “cherry pick”. The starting date is today, and tomorrow the starting date will be then, and in years’ time the period of no warming, or possibly even cooling will be 17 years.

December 7, 2012 5:14 pm

Lord Monckton said

“An eco-freako journalist, quivering with unrighteous indignation, wrote that I had been “evicted”. Well, not really. All they did was to say a cheery toodle-pip at the end of that day’s session. They couldn’t have been nicer about it.
The journalist mentioned my statement to my fellow-delegates that there had been no global warming for 16 years. What she was careful not to mention was that she had interviewed me at some length earlier in the day. She had sneered that 97% of climate scientists thought I was wrong.

I think the journalist may have been a little confused. However biased the 2009 survey might have been, it asked two questions.
1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
From what I have heard of Lord Monckton I think who would agree with the 97% on both of these questions. On the second, he would probably say less than a third of warming in the last 200 years has been caused by “human activity”, as apposed to greater than 100% of the climate mainstream. Even 10% would be significant, and worthy of some investigation.

clipe
December 7, 2012 5:41 pm

AD-HOM ALERT
By JOHN M. BRODER
Few would compare a United Nations climate change conference to a garden party, but a pair of skeptical skunks showed up on Thursday in the persons of Senator James Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, and Christopher Monckton, the Viscount Monckton of Benchley. The two make a habit of descending on climate summits and trying to debunk both the science and the politics of global warming. Mostly they generate eye-rolling and wry blog posts.
Friday, 7:26 a.m. Eastern time| Updated
Lord Monckton was ejected from the conference late Thursday after he posed as a delegate to gain entrance to the meeting hall and took the seat of the representative from Myanmar. Before he was identified as an imposter, he was allowed to speak and said — against most scientific evidence — that there had been no global temperature rise since the beginning of the United Nations climate negotiations. He was quickly escorted from the room and banned from the meeting.
A United Nations spokeswoman said that Lord Monckton was registered with a nongovernmental organization, the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, and that his posing as a delegate “was considered a clear violation of his status as a representative of that organization.”

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/snapshots-from-doha-and-elsewhere/

Skiphil
December 7, 2012 6:20 pm

Brilliant exposure of Alarmist follies…. however, if James Hansen and Stephan Lewandowsky have their way then Lord Monckton and all of us cheering for him will be tried for “crimes against humanity” — More Lew-spew to contrast with the sensible statements of Monckton: climate hallucinator Stephan Lewandowsky channels some of the more extreme nonsense put out by the hyper-Alarmists:
http://theconversation.edu.au/the-real-debate-on-climate-is-happening-in-san-francisco-11209

[LEWANDOWSKY]:
…There is, however, one issue that is not being debated: Nowhere is there a debate about the fundamental facts that the globe is rapidly warming and that human greenhouse gas emissions are responsible for that warming.
That scientific debate ceased decades ago.
It is only in the fantasy world of climate denial that ignorant chatter about those physical fundamentals continues, to the detriment of the public which would be better served without such distracting noise….
….
…Dr. Jim Hansen, one of the world’s foremost climate scientists, who first alerted the world to the risks from climate change decades ago, gave a presentation on Tuesday night. A patrician figure, he was greeted with a standing ovation even though the message he had to deliver, based on the latest available science, was far from encouraging. Decades ago, Dr. Hansen predicted events such as Hurricane Sandy, and he has been warning about the implications of climate change ever since.
Dr. Hansen expressed the view that the professional dis-informers who facilitate and encourage climate denial, and who obstruct and delay a solution to the problem at great cost in dollars and human lives in support of their own short-term greed or ideological agenda, ought to be tried for crimes against humanity.

December 7, 2012 6:42 pm

joeldshore said “You are basically just using the fact that the trend is sufficiently uncertain over such timescales and so it is hard to rule out lots of things with 95% statistical significance”
You’ve missed the point as usual. The highest-per-capita CO2 producers from Qatar who appear in that video don’t care about your fact any more than Monckton’s. They don’t care about facts at all, just piling on to the “do something now before we all die like the Philippines” fake argument. What Monckton did was call out their charade in the simplest possible terms. You’ve agreed his argument is factual. You’ve wisely avoided commenting on the other part of his argument which you would also have to agree is factual.

Philip Shehan
December 7, 2012 6:43 pm

“It hasn’t warmed for 16 years” Huh?
In the 16 year period since 1996, the temperature has increased. (WTI index is created from the mean of HADCRUT3VGL, GISTEMP, RSS and UAH).
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/from:1995/to:2013/plot/wti/from:1996/to:2013/trend/plot/wti/from:1998/to:2013/trend/plot/wti/from:1999/to:2013/trend
If you want to cherry pick your data properly to get your desired result, you should start with the exceptionally high el nino southern summer of 1997-1998 and even then there is a slight upward trend. But don’t wait until 1999 to start your cherry picking , because then you are back to the same rate of increase as in 1996.
Cherry pickers hate using the most scientifically legitimate data set, that obtained from the beginning of these data sets in 1979 to the present, but just to indicate the kind of fun you can have with cherry picking, consider this. 1979 to the present is significantly upward, the line from 1979 to 2007 is even steeper. So the line from 2008 to the present must be really downward right?
Well no, trend from 2008 to the present is the steepest of the lot!!!
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/from:1979/to:2013/plot/wti/from:1979/to:2013/trend/plot/wti/from:1979/to:2007/trend/plot/wti/from:2008/to:2013/trend

Christopher Hanley
December 7, 2012 6:48 pm

“… shrieks of rage from the delegates … Outrage! Silence him! …. Gettimoff! Eeeeeeeeeagh! …”
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If the good delegates’ real concern was the welfare of humanity they would welcome any indication that the planet was not headed for catastrophe.
Christopher Monckton’s article is, as usual, crisp and good humoured. My only reservation, which will raise no hackles here, is the assumption that the surface temperature record since c.1880 is authentic and has not been tampered with by the respective principal custodians in collusion, both of whom are CAGW devotees and were even before any post-war warming was evident.

n.n
December 7, 2012 6:49 pm

Independent thought is an impediment to coercing a consensus. While the science remains unsettled, the political, economic, and social benefits to leaders and activists were previously identified.
The longer this charade continues, the more it resembles a naked grab of power and capital through manipulation of perception, appeals to emotion, and exploitation of people’s baser nature. This is exactly the tactics employed by left-wing (i.e. authoritarian monopoly) regimes to establish and preserve their control of a society.
What a joke!

December 7, 2012 6:55 pm

I wish more people would have the guts of Christopher Monckton to speak out at the opportune time on this subject!!!

Jeff Alberts
December 7, 2012 7:00 pm

Step 1. Get the monthly mean global surface temperature anomalies since January 1997 from the Hadley Centre/CRU.

With all due respect, Lord Monckton, a “mean global surface temperature anomaly” is a completely useless construct for determining the heat content of the atmosphere. As long as both sides continue to parade out this completely meaningless thing, we will never get anywhere. You might as well argue about whether Solo fired first.

December 7, 2012 7:02 pm

Philip Shehan, you’ve missed the point as well. The predictions for 0.2C per decade or more warming are almost 2x too high. The recent modest warming is a scientific triviality worthy of no serious discussion or policy changes. The conference is wrapped in a cloak of seriousness with the very serious looking local delegates trying their best to avoid admitting their hypocrisy and paying out too much (or any) of their own loot to the alleged victims. Monckton simply pointed out that the delegates have no clothes, their rapid warming CAGW facade is fake and their policy debates are meaningless.

Steve from Rockwood
December 7, 2012 7:05 pm

vukcevic says:
December 7, 2012 at 10:39 am
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That was worth reading.

D Böehm
December 7, 2012 7:07 pm

Philip Shehan,
Most climate alarmists suffer from psychological projection. It is you who are cherry-picking. You make the argument that starting at 1997 is cherry-picking — and then you cherry-pick 1979.
If you want to view the trend you need to go as far back in time as there are reasonably accurate records.
The long term natural global warming trend has not accelerated, despite a 40% rise in CO2. Therefore, CO2 is too insignificant to have any measurable effect.
Finally, your alarmist arm waving over a few tenths of a degree is appropriate for a wild-eyed lunatic, but it is within the calibration error of the recording instruments. When viewed with a normal y-axis, your scare vanishes.
Better run along back to Pseudo-skeptical Anti-science or RealClimateCensoredPropaganda for some new talking points. The ones you posted have been repeatedly debunked here. That’s why WUWT gets the site traffic and your alarmist blogs don’t. This is the internet’s “Best Science & Technology” site, and misinformation like you posted gets corrected fast.

Nick in Vancouver
December 7, 2012 7:22 pm

Mostly Harmless. Why did Watt Tyler lead a revolt of thousands against the Aristocrats? Most likely the poll tax – imposed by the Crown – which targeted the tenanted poor more than the landed wealthy – plus ca change…
How did Tyler die? Apparently he went unarmed and alone -duhhh- to negotiate with the King under truce and was promptly siezed and beheaded on the spot.
If Lord Monckton is to be the new Tyler, methinks the good Lord should be backed up by several large, well-muscled followers, all armed and ready for negotiations. The precautionary principle and all that. When rent seekers get your cash, history shows they will do anything, lawful or otherwise, to hold on to it….plus c’est la même chose

December 7, 2012 7:24 pm

I have to wonder if many, or at least some, of the delegates had never heard that fact before. We see so many Algore types being knowingly deceitful that it’s easy to forget that some of the higher ups honestly believe the pap that they’ve been fed. Maybe this is the stone that causes an avalanche? We can only hope.
(And keep stealing the mike.8-)
PS No, I’m not holding my breath.

n.n
December 7, 2012 7:29 pm

Jeff Alberts:
Exactly. Unless there is an overwhelming change in global conditions, then that metric is irrelevant and even meaningless. The only legitimate and useful metric is restricted to local and regional effects.
That said, while it risks offering legitimacy to their arguments, it can be useful to confront them on their manufactured grounds.
I wonder how they explain the carbon credit exchange and developing nations anomalies. Setting aside that the system remains incompletely characterized and its scope ensures it will remain unwieldy to model, those two anomalies alone challenge acceptance of a consensus, and the latter challenge acceptance of their claimed skill and accuracy.

Harry van Loon
December 7, 2012 7:36 pm

It is sad to see all the commotion about man-made global warming when we face real, dangerous things such as pollution of air, water, and soil; abuse of non-renewable resources; extinction of flora and fauna; and last but not least continuing population growth. In the 1920s the world’s population was fewer than 2 billion, now it is more than 7 billion and rising. If there is a man-made warming we must adjust to it, we can change neither that nor natural climate variability.

December 7, 2012 7:44 pm

Russian Times seems to give Lord Monckton some credit for squelching any agreement. Personally, although it probably helped to cause some to face up to what they have been trying to deny, I think the majority has come to the conclusion that the dire emergency just isn’t there. Look at the importance to these guys of adding bits to the warming temp, revising history in lowering their 1990s estimate of global average temp from 15C to 14C to bend cooling back to warming, shoving the unmistakeable record high Temp period of the 1930s down a degree or so, so that it wouldn’t still be a record for the last 160 yrs, abandoning the Greenland ice cores that show temp leading CO2 and its cyclic nature at a time when there was hardly anything anthropgenic, picking only trees with rings that support the cause – even using imaginary ‘missing’ rings as evidence of underestimation of volcanic aerosol cooling……,
Ya know, if things are so desperate, we could leave the data raw and it would eventually yield an unequivocal signal. If sea level is going to 4-6 metres by 2100 (we’re one eight the the way to that date already- we are a third into a century since the alarm was raised) then the 1000 months remaining would see accummulating rises of 4 to 6mm a month and 50 to 70 mm a year. No need to adjust this with addition of 0.3mm a year gravitational rebound. Actually the tide guages would eventually be a few metres less than the “official” levels if they are wrong. Let’s wait until 2020 before we waste another dime.

mike
December 7, 2012 7:58 pm

Brietbart would approve!

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