UPDATE: The Russian TV channel “RT” aka “TV-Novosti” blames Monckton for the failure of COP18 to fail to reach an agreement:
The 18th Climate Change Summit in Doha is drawing to an end after once again failing to find common consensus on what it calls a major threat to human existence. Failure seemed inevitable after climate skeptic Lord Monckton crashed the event.
LOL! Source here
From Christopher Monckton of Brenchley in Doha, Qatar
I have been a bad boy. At the U.N. climate conference in Doha, I addressed a plenary session of national negotiating delegates though only accredited as an observer.
One just couldn’t resist. There they all were, earnestly outbidding each other to demand that the West should keep them in pampered luxury for the rest of their indolent lives, and all on the pretext of preventing global warming that has now become embarrassingly notorious for its long absence.
No one was allowed to give the alternative – and scientifically correct – viewpoint. The U.N.’s wall of silence was rigidly in place.
The microphone was just in front of me. All I had to do was press the button. I pressed it. The Chair recognized Myanmar (Burmese for Burma). I was on.
On behalf of the Asian Coastal Co-operation Initiative, an outfit I had thought up on the spur of the moment (it sounded just like one of the many dubious taxpayer-funded propaganda groups at the conference), I spoke for less than a minute.
Quietly, politely, authoritatively, I told the delegates three inconvenient truths they would not hear from anyone else:
• There has been no global warming for 16 of the 18 years of these wearisome, self-congratulatory yadayadathons.
• It is at least ten times more cost-effective to see how much global warming happens and then adapt in a focused way to what little harm it may cause than to spend a single red cent futilely attempting to mitigate it today.
• An independent scientific enquiry should establish whether the U.N.’s climate conferences are still heading in the right direction.
As I delivered the last of my three points, there were keening shrieks of rage from the delegates. They had not heard any of this before. They could not believe it. Outrage! Silence him! Free speech? No! This is the U.N.! Gettimoff! Eeeeeeeeeagh!
One of the hundreds of beefy, truncheon-toting U.N. police at the conference approached me as I left the hall and I was soon surrounded by him and a colleague. They took my conference pass, peered at it and murmured into cellphones.
Trouble was, they were having great difficulty keeping a straight face.
Put yourself in their sensible shoes. They have to stand around listening to the tedious, flatulent mendacities of pompous, overpaid, under-educated diplomats day after week after year. Suddenly, at last, someone says “Boo!” and tells the truth.
Frankly, they loved it. They didn’t say so, of course, or they’d have burst out laughing and their stony-faced U.N. superiors would not have been pleased.
I was amiably accompanied out into the balmy night, where an impressive indaba of stony-faced U.N. officials were alternately murmuring into cellphones and murmuring into cellphones. Murmuring into cellphones is what they do best.
After a few minutes the head of security – upper lip trembling and chest pulsating as he did his best to keep his laughter to himself – briefly stopped murmuring into his cellphone and bade me a cheerful and courteous goodnight.
The national delegation from Burma, whose microphone I had borrowed while they were out partying somewhere in the souk, snorted an official protest into its cellphone.
An eco-freako journalist, quivering with unrighteous indignation, wrote that I had been “evicted”. Well, not really. All they did was to say a cheery toodle-pip at the end of that day’s session. They couldn’t have been nicer about it.
The journalist mentioned my statement to my fellow-delegates that there had been no global warming for 16 years. What she was careful not to mention was that she had interviewed me at some length earlier in the day. She had sneered that 97% of climate scientists thought I was wrong.
I had explained to her that 100% of climate scientists would agree with me that there had been no global warming for 16 years if they were to check the facts, which is how science (as opposed to U.N. politics) is done.
I had also told her how to check the facts (but she had not checked them):
Step 1. Get the monthly mean global surface temperature anomalies since January 1997 from the Hadley Centre/CRU. The data, freely available online, are the U.N.’s preferred way to measure how much global warming has happened. Or you could use the more reliable satellite data from the University of Alabama at Huntsville or from Remote Sensing Systems Inc.
Step 2. Put the data into Microsoft Excel and use its routine that calculates the least-squares linear-regression trend on the data. Linear regression determines the underlying trend in a dataset over a given period as the slope of the unique straight line through the data that minimizes the sum of the squares of the absolute differences or “residuals” between the points corresponding to each time interval in the data and on the trend-line. Phew! If that is too much like doing real work (though Excel will do it for you at the touch of a button), find a friendly, honest statistician.
Step 3. Look up the measurement uncertainty in the dataset. Since measuring global temperature reliably is quite difficult, properly-collated temperature data are presented as central estimates flanked by upper and lower estimates known as the “error bars”.
Step 4. Check whether the warming (which is the difference between the first and last value on the trend-line) is greater or smaller than the measurement uncertainty. If it is smaller, falling within the error-bars, the trend is statistically indistinguishable from zero. There has been no warming – or, to be mathematically nerdy, there has been no statistically-significant warming.
The main point that the shrieking delegates here in Doha don’t get is this. It doesn’t matter how many profiteering mad scientists say global warming is dangerously accelerating. It isn’t. Period. Get over it.
The fact that there has been no global warming for 16 years is just that – a fact. It does not mean there is no such thing as global warming, or there has not been any global warming in the past, or there will be none in future.
In the global instrumental temperature record, which began in 1860, there have been several periods of ten years or more without global warming. However, precisely because these periods occur frequently, they tend to constrain the overall rate of warming.
Ideally, one should study periods of warming that are either multiples of 60 years or centered on a transition year between the warming and cooling (or cooling and warming) phases of the great ocean oscillations. That way, the distortions caused by the naturally-occurring 30-year cooling and 30-year warming phases are minimized.
Let’s do it. I have had the pleasure of being on the planet for 60 years. I arrived when it first became theoretically possible for our CO2 emissions to have a detectable effect on global temperature. From 1952 to the present, the planet has warmed at a rate equivalent to 1.2 Celsius degrees per century.
Or we could go back to 1990, the year of the first of the four quinquennial Assessment Reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPeCaC). It predicted that from 1990-2025 the world would warm at 3.0 Cº/century, giving 1 Cº warming by 2025.
Late in 2001 there was a phase-transition from the warming to the cooling phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the most influential of the ocean oscillations. From 1990-2001 is 11 years; from 2001-2012 is 11 years. So 1990-2012 is a period centered on a phase-transition: with minimal natural distortion, it will indicate the recent temperature trend.
Since 1990 the world has warmed at 1.4 Cº, century, or a little under 0.3 Cº in all. Note that 1.4 Cº/century is a little greater than the 1.2 Cº/century observed since 1952. However, the period since 1990 is little more than a third of the period since 1952, and shorter periods are liable to exhibit somewhat steeper trends than longer periods.
So the slightly higher warming rate of the more recent period does not necessarily indicate that the warming rate is rising, and it is certainly not rising dangerously.
For the 21st century as a whole, IPeCaC is predicting not 1.2 or 1.4 Cº warming but close to 3 Cº, more than doubling the observed post-1990 warming rate. Or, if you believe the latest scare paper from our old fiends the University of East Anglia, up to 6 Cº, quadrupling it.
That is not at all likely. The maximum warming rate that persisted for at least ten years in the global instrumental record since 1850 has been 0.17 Cº. This rate occurred from 1860-1880; 1910-1940; and 1976-2001.
It is only in the last of these three periods that we could have had any warming influence: yet the rate of warming over that period is the same as in the two previous periods.
All three of these periods of rapidish warming coincided with warming phases of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. The climate scare got underway about halfway through the 1976-2001 warming phase.
In 1976 there had been an unusually sharp phase-transition from the cooling to the warming phase. By 1988 James Hansen was making his lurid (and now disproven) temperature predictions before the U.S. Congress, after Al Gore and Sen. Tim Wirth had chosen a very hot June day for the hearing and had deliberately turned off the air-conditioning.
Here is a summary of the measured and predicted warming rates:
| Measured warming rate, 1997-2012 | 0.0 Cº/century |
| Measured warming rate, 1952-2012 | 1.2 Cº/century |
| Measured warming rate, 1990-2012 | 1.4 Cº/century |
| Measured warming rate, 1860-1880 | 1.7 Cº/century |
| Measured warming rate, 1910-1940 | 1.7 Cº/century |
| Measured warming rate, 1976-2001 | 1.7 Cº/century |
| Predicted warming rate in IPCC (1990), 1990-2025 | 3.0 Cº/century |
| Predicted warming rate in IPCC (2007), 2000-2100 | 3.0 Cº/century |
| Predicted warming rate by UEA (2012), 2000-2100 | 4.0-6.0 Cº/century |
But it is virtually impossible to tell the negotiating delegates any of what I have set out here. They would simply not understand it. Even if they did understand it, they would not care. Objective scientific truth no longer has anything to do with these negotiations. Emotion is all.
A particularly sad example of the mawkish emotionalism that may yet destroy the economies of the West was the impassioned statement by the negotiating delegate from the Philippines to the effect that, after the typhoon that has just killed hundreds of his countrymen, the climate negotiations have taken on a new, life-or-death urgency.
As he left the plenary session, the delegates stood either side of the central aisle and showed their sympathy by applauding him. Sympathy for his country was appropriate; sympathy for his argument was not.
After 16 years with no global warming – and, if he reads this posting, he will know how to check that for himself rather than believing the soi-disant “consensus” – global warming that has not happened cannot have caused Typhoon Bhopa, any more than it could have caused extra-tropical storm Sandy.
It is possible that illegal mining and logging played no small part in triggering the landslide that killed many of those who lost their lives.
Perhaps the Philippines should join the Asian Coastal Co-Operation Initiative. Our policy is that the international community should assist all nations to increase their resilience in the face of the natural disasters that have been and will probably always be part of life on Earth.
That is an objective worthier, more realistic, more affordable, and more achievable than attempting, Canute-like, to halt the allegedly rising seas with a vote to establish a second “commitment period” under the Kyoto Protocol.
Will someone please tell the delegates? Just press the button and talk. You may not be heard, though. Those who are not partying somewhere in the souk will be murmuring into their cellphones.
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Footnote by Anthony: Here is the video on Monckton’s address to the Doha COP18 conference.
No video has yet surfaced of him being “evicted” as the Telegraph journalist claims, suggesting that Monckton’s account of leaving the hall might be more accurate. The chair on the dais says “thank you” at the end, and didn’t call for security to evict Monckton.
Note: See also this week’s Friday Funny for Josh’s take on this. – Anthony
global warming is a scam, cann anyone please explain why the Ice melted during the last Ice Age? Mammoth on hummer? or what causes the ice to melt during the last dino ice age? Dinosaurs with their factories?
Or more important of all, what causes earth to cool down prior to the ice age?
It is a natural cycle.
Phil.:
I write to thank you for the laugh you gave me in your hilarious post at December 11, 2012 at 9:51 am. You really are the gift that keeps on giving!
Be happy in your delusion. But please don’t think you are fooling anybody except perhaps yourself.
Richard
THe anti-science discussed on this thread is mind boggling- fact is there is scientific concensus on man made global warming with over 99.7% of all published science on the subject in agrrement. The skeptic movement rely on slight of hand to move like minded people away from the fact that they can’t produce any science to support their claims. http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2012/12/11/climate_change_denial_why_don_t_they_publish_scientific_papers.html
John:
Your post at December 11, 2012 at 3:45 pm suggests you have been listening to blather of the kind spouted by Phil.
Climate realists oppose the AGW-scare precisely because there is an immense amount of evidence which refutes it and none which supports it; e.g.
Missing ‘hot spot’
Missing “committed warming”
Missing ‘Trenberth’s heat’
Lack of Antarctic accelerated warming
Lack of accelerated sea level rise
No warming at 95% confidence for 16 years despite continuing increase to atmospheric CO2
etc.
The climategate emails reveal how the ‘Team’ have conspired to prevent publication of papers which refute AGW and/or its asserted effects. Despite that, this link list over 1,100 such papers which have been published
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
Richard
John,
Thanx for your baseless assertion. But I should point out to you that the scientific consensus regarding the rise in CO2 emissions is that the increase is harmless, and beneficial to the biosphere.
More than 30,000 degreed professionals in the hard sciences, including more than 9,000 PhD’s, have explicitly stated that the recent rise in CO2 is “harmless” and “beneficial”. That is not anti-science, as you preposterously presume. That is a statement by tens of thousands of professionals who specialize in the hard sciences.
I did not bother to read your Bad Astronomy link, because that blog has never had much traffic. It is written by a wacko who has very little credibility. But you can believe him if you want to. It’s a free country. Just be aware that your beliefs border on lunacy. You could not get 99.7% of any group to agree on anything. But be happy living in your bubble.
LOL Then why aren’t any of these 30000 professionals actually publishing any science on this? Your reality is built out of a house of straw! If you did bother to read the link he links to National Science Board member James Lawrence Powell’s article. Between 19911-2012 there have been 13950 peer reviewed climate articles published. 24 reject global warming. You do the math. Get some of these 30000 experts to put up or shut up!
John,
Thanx for another assertion. However, there are far more than 24 peer reviewed co-signers of the OISM Petition, so your baseless assertion fails. The source you cite is simply lying. Do your own homework, and find the hundreds of peer reviewed papers authored by the tens of thousands of OISM co-signers.
I’ll be a good guy and give you a little help: here are the names of the 31,400+ co-signers, who state that CO2 is “harmless” and “beneficial”. You could argue with them, but as an uneducated non-scientist I don’t think you would get very far.
John:
You made baseless assertions.
I and D Böehm each gave you factual information which disproved your assertions.
The information I gave you included a link to over 1,100 peer reviewed publications in the scientific literature which refute AGW alarm and you have replied by asking
The most likely explanation of your behaviour is that you are a bot.
Richard
John says:
December 11, 2012 at 3:45 pm
“THe anti-science discussed on this thread is mind boggling- fact is there is scientific concensus on man made global warming with over 99.7% of all published science on the subject in agrrement.”
John, if you have read the climategate emails, if you have noted no warming in 16 years, if you have bought into the whitewash investigations of CAGW scientist’s misdemeanors, then you are one of the unsalvageables. The fact that the last thing you read was the aging and debunked statement that 97% of scientists yada yada yada puts you in that category. Why don’t you dare to investigate what sceptics take issue with. We agree that the planet has warmed about 0.6C in a century but don’t accept the CO2 is, at most, a marginal part of that. Well, the following is a test to see if you are your own thinker or are an ideologue.
-Ask yourself what caused the burial of half the northern hemisphere lands under 50 million cubic kilometres of ice resulting in sea level to drop 120 metres and then for this ice to melt with warming and sea level to rise back up again with no anthropomorphic CO2 or any other kind to initiate it.
-Ask yourself how major multi century warm periods, as warm and warmer than now occurred in Roman times and in the Middle Ages (Middle Warming Period) when Scotland grew fine wine grapes, the Vikings colonized and farmed GREENLAND, only to be frozen out in the following Little ICe Age (LIA). Incidentally, today one can see some of these farmsteads reappearing from under the ice with the present warming period.
– Ask yourself how in the Little Ice Age (LIA) centred on the 1700s resulted in freezing of New York Harbour, the Bosphorus in Turkey and the Thames, killing one third of Finns, mountain glaciers in Switzerland growing down into the valleys and crushing 1000 year old villages and the Vikings fleeing a.- not-so Greenland.
All of this without appreciable CO2? John, if this is all true, are you prepared to alter your thinking on CAGW somewhat? You don’t have to be scientist to answer this question (I am a scientist by the way). And don’t take my word for it. Google it or see what even the biased Wikipedia has to say on these subjects.
LOL I have a science degree but not in a climate related field so i defer to those who are true experts. Name 1 climate scientist whos has published on climate scientist who supports your fringe views. Even better name 1 reputable scientific organisation that supports them. I won’t hold my breath!
John says:
December 11, 2012 at 3:45 pm
THe anti-science discussed on this thread is mind boggling- fact is there is scientific concensus on man made global warming with over 99.7% of all published science on the subject in agrrement….
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“An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true.
Appeals to authority are always deductively fallacious; even a legitimate authority speaking on his area of expertise may affirm a falsehood, so no testimony of any authority is guaranteed to be true….”
Not that long ago the consensus of learned men was the geocentric system explained the universe. When I was just starting high school, the concept of plate tectonics was still debated and the “Coming Ice Age” was making headlines. George Kukla, together with Robert Matthews of Brown University alerted President Richard Nixon and the CIA conducted an investigation on this threat to the USA.
Todays ‘Consensus’ is tomorrow’s failed conjecture in most cases in science.
Most of the people on this blog have degrees in science/engineering or a keen interest in science. We do not take just the word of ‘authority’ we examine it.
John,
You have a degree in science?? From the lack of substance in your comments, that is doubtful. Social science, maybe.☺
Post you CV, John. Show us.
And there are thousands of scientists — that I linked to above — who state that CO2 is “harmless” and “beneficial”. Only a lunatic would call that a “fringe view”. As usual in the alarmist cult, if it were not for psychological projection, you wouldn’t have much to say. You are part of the fringe.
You are long on talk, John, and short on specifics. So post your CV, if you have one. And use the link I provided to educate yourself on the effect of harmless, beneficial CO2 [hint: there are no empirical measurements showing that AGW exists, or that it is measurable. None].
Your assertions are just that: assertions. You fail to back them up with any testable, empirical, verifiable measurements per the scientific method. Therefore, your assertions are nothing more than baseless conjectures; opinions. That is not good enough at the internet’s “Best Science & Technology” site.
Gail, I have no problems with people challenging Science- but back it up by actually publishing something on it that gets reviewed properly. Read back through the comments and look at the people caught up in claims such as the scientifically unsound ‘it hasn’t warmed for 16 years!) Despite the fact that 8 of the last 10 years have been the warmest on record-cheery picking a start point on an El Nino period to try and score poinst wit hthe statistically unsound is counterproductive . The very fact that we are commenting on a Monckton topic. A man who has been shown up time and time again for misinterpreting scientists work. Why t here is a challenge out at the moment where a scientist has asaked ?monckton supporters to come up with just one example where he has been correct when discussing climate science. So far, no one has won the challenge!
So I’m assuming by the silence, no one has found a reputable scientific organisation yet? Interesting! Still waiting for an expert published scientist link too. Baseless conjectures appear to lie on the side of those unwilling to link to the published peer reviewed research on the topic.
John says:
December 11, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Even better name 1 reputable scientific organisation that supports them.
Better yet, ask if THE FACTS support the organizations. Do they?
NOAA says on page 23:
”The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 yr or more, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/bams-sotc/climate-assessment-2008-lo-rez.pdf
Here is what has happened with RSS:
The negative slope for RSS is since January 1997 or 15 years, 11 months (goes to November).
However in view of the significance of the 16 years lately, I would like to elaborate on RSS. The slope for 15 years and 11 months from January 1997 on RSS is -4.1 x 10^-4. But the slope for 16 years and 0 months from December 1996 is +1.3 x 10^-4. So since the magnitude of the negative slope since January 1997 is 3 times than the magnitude of the positive slope since December 1996, I believe I can say that since a quarter of the way through December 1996, in other words from December 8, 1996 to December 7, 2012, the slope is 0. This is 16 years. Therefor RSS is 192/204 or 94% of the way to Santer’s 17 years.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1996.9/plot/rss/from:1997/trend/plot/rss/from:1996.9/trend
John says:
December 11, 2012 at 4:12 pm
. Get some of these 30000 experts to put up or shut up!
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Here is just one.
His Blog: http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-natural-or-manmade/
Or how about Dr. Nir Joseph Shaviv, carrying out research in the fields of astrophysics and climate science.
His blog is: http://www.sciencebits.com/
Or another Physicist: http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/07/in-defense-of-milankovitch-by-gerard.html
Or how about seven more Physicists?
You can read their direct quotes HERE
Or how about Climotologists?
You can read their direct quotes HERE
There are a heck of a lot more including those who quit scientific societies because of their stance on CAGW.
Where’s your CV, John? Don’t be coy, post it here.
Here is just one of many peer reviewed skeptical scientists that reject your catastrophic AGW nonsense: Prof Richard Lindzen of M.I.T. Put your non-existent CV up against his. Scroll down, your screen is not nearly big enough to see it all, Mr Assertion.
John says:
December 11, 2012 at 5:27 pm
So I’m assuming by the silence, no one has found a reputable scientific organisation yet? Interesting! Still waiting for an expert published scientist link too. Baseless conjectures appear to lie on the side of those unwilling to link to the published peer reviewed research on the topic.
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You asked for it so I suggest you start READING:
Here are the Dr. Svensmark papers,
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-4004.2007.48118.x/abstract
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S1364-6826(97)00001-1
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S1364-6826(99)00107-8
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v81/i22/p5027_1
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q5m12q6612v8570p/
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u348727n87q617l3/
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0005072
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2001JD001264.shtml
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q0x72u303vv6713x/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/asna.200610651/abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-4004.2007.48118.x/abstract
http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/463/2078/385.full
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL038429.shtml
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.org/10/2765/2010/acp-10-2765-2010.html
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2011GL047036.shtml
http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/12/3595/2012/acpd-12-3595-2012.html
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2966.2012.20953.x/abstract
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021850212000559
http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/IASTP/43/
http://doi.wiley.com/10.1002/asna.200610650
When you finish those there are another 1100 to go.
Oh and the Dr Feynman papers
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2006JD007462.shtml
http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/1999/1999GL900326.shtml
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0273117707001895
And the Dr. Richard S. Lindzen papers, can’t forget him
http://www.springerlink.com/content/y56m4429l8m17845/
http://www.springerlink.com/content/m22t428187k87356/
http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/1520-0469(1982)039%3C1189:TROCMC%3E2.0.CO;2
http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/1520-0477(1990)071%3C0288:SCCGW%3E2.0.CO;2
http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/1520-0469(1993)050%3C1643:DOTTWV%3E2.0.CO;2
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.fl.26.010194.002033
http://www.pnas.org/content/94/16/8335
http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/1998/98JD00125.shtml
John says:
December 11, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Why t here is a challenge out at the moment where a scientist has asaked ?monckton supporters to come up with just one example where he has been correct when discussing climate science. So far, no one has won the challenge!
Are you serious? O.K. Here is just one.
The following is a 95 minute speech by Lord Monckton given in Minnesota on October 15, 2009.
He talks about many things, one of which is how the warming has been the same during three different periods.
Then on February 13, 2010, Phil Jones confirms Monckton was correct.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm
A – Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical?
So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other.
Here are the trends and significances for each period:
Period
Length
Trend
(Degrees C per decade)
Significance
1860-1880
21
0.163
Yes
1910-1940
31
0.15
Yes
1975-1998
24
0.166
Yes
1975-2009
35
0.161
Yes
(The formatting is better at the site I linked to.)
Lindzen is on Exxon’s payroll.? I do see a conflict of interest with Lindzen here!
How are you going with the scientific organistaion?
Roy Spencer has been totally debunked by Temberth and Fasullo http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/07/misdiagnosis-of-surface-temperature-feedback/
Shiraiv hasn’t published on climate nor have your 7 physicists
David Pearce has accused Christy of going beyond the data due to his preconceived beliefs.
Michaels is another on Exxons payroll
Singer was responsible for holding back the tidal wave of evidence linking tobacco to cancer. Employed by the tobacco company to obfuscate and muddle the science. do you see any link here? What an ethically sound source!
House of straw!
How are you going with the scientific organistaion?
Werner,
I doubt that John will watch Lord Monckton teach him a lesson. But regarding Phil Jones, here are the three repeated warming periods in a graph. It is clear that the warming periods were the same — and at times when the CO2 concentration was very different.
AGW may not be completely falsified, but it is clear that the effect of CO2 is much too small to worry about.
Finally, I note that John the non-scientist has been reduced to making ad hominem arguments. Therefore he has lost the debate.
Werner, this is embarrassing. Cherry picking time periods that suit isn’t scienmce. why not look at the entire period 1860-now. This might help http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators/#globalTemp
John, you liar, you are a blinkered ass. Dr. Richard Lindzen is not “on Exxon’s payroll”, as you mendaciously claim. Dr. Lindzen was hired on a one-time contractual basis many years ago to do some statistical work, for which he was paid. Are you saying that scientists should work for nothing? Would you like for me to post just a part of Michael Mann’s payola, which adds up to millions of dollars? Ask, and I will post it here.
Did you look at Dr. Lindzen’s CV? He has more than 200 peer reviewed climate papers to his credit that debunk your catastrophic AGW nonsense. And all you can do is criticize him for accepting pay for work done. Despicable.
Your ad hominem accusation is all you have left to argue, because you lack the scientific facts necessary to support your argument. You are a typical anti-science troll who makes baseless assertions, then changes the subject when called on them. Scientific skeptics have won the science debate using empirical facts and observations: the planet itself is responding just as skeptics said it would. It is not heating up as the alarmist clique incessantly predicted.
You’re a loser, John. Face it.
John says:
December 11, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Lindzen is on Exxon’s payroll.?
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Lindzen is a Professor at MIT!
And if you want to throw that sort of stone I have a dump truck load.
Maurice Strong: Chair of the 1972 First Earth Summit and Kyoto
Then there is Strong’s life long ties to oil: At age 29, he became president of Power Corporation, he has served as president of energy companies such as Petro-Canada and Ontario Hydro, and on the board of industrial giant Toyota. In 1981 he had moved on to Denver oil promoter AZL Resources
He is a huge political donor, not just in Canada, but in the USA to both the Republican and Democratic parties.
Strong sits on boards with the Rockefellers, Mikhail Gorbachev and chairs private meetings of CEOs, including Bill Gates. He hobnobs with the world’s royalty, with dictators and despots. He does business deals with people like arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi,
Strong had a history as a conman and swindler long before his involvement with Obama, Gore and the Chicago Climate Exchange Strong has also been caught up in a series of U.N. scandals and conflicts of interest. not to mentions several insider trading scams such as the AZL Resources Lawsuit, the food for oil scandal and the Molten Metal Inc swindle involving Al Gore, tax payer money, lawsuits and a House Committee investigation
Then there is Good old Al Gore
Moderator, I have posted three times in the last half hour Are they gone?
[Reply: I found some in the Spam folder & posted them. Also, WordPress has been losing posts lately. — mod.]
[PS: I rescued your post with all the organizations on it and approved it. But now I don’t see it. %&#!*& WordPress! Sorry about that. — mod.]