Former UN Official says climate report will shock nations into action
John Gardner writes in with an entry from the “worse than we thought” department:
The IPCC seems to be pre-empting the growing skeptical science by preparing to issue an ‘its even worse than we thought’ report in 2013, according to a report in the Australian newspaper.
“The Brisbane Times’, which quotes Ivo De Boer, the UN climate chief during the 2009 Copenhagen talks. He is quoted “That report is going to scare the wits out of everyone,”
Mr De Boer said in the only scheduled interview of his visit to Australia.
“I’m confident those scientific findings will create new political momentum.”
A fool would believe fear works to motivate people, my thought is most everything my ancestors feared is now extinct, so is fear a sane tool?
How can it be scary?
There is no warming in the climate for going on 20 years now.
The climate models are off by 50% to 75% in terms of temperature rise versus predictions.
Sea level rise is going to be revised down to 16 mms/10 years or 0.16 metres per hundred years with no apparent acceleration.
Antarctic and Greenland glacial melt is going to be revised downward by 50% based on the newer more accurate GIA models.
It is so scary that no recent election campaigns have mentioned it at all.
What is scary is how many people have staked their reputations to this theory and now fear being outed for how wrong they were.
Not in John Laurie’s class, but still worthwhile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5XOIMs6D0
The Brisbane Times is an online news source. We don’t have any real newspapers in Brisbane.
@ur momisugly Gondo:
People who can’t spell “moron” should, perhaps, think twice before applying the term to others.
john robertson says:
November 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm
“A fool would believe fear works to motivate people, my thought is most everything my ancestors feared is now extinct, so is fear a sane tool?”
If you go back far enough I am reasonably sure that some of your ancestors feared bad weather.
Is bad weather extinct?
Courage and fearlessness are not the same thing. The truly fearless are insane.
Big lies worked for Hitler.
RE: Next IPCC report will ‘scare the wits out of everyone’
That must mean that they hired some better fiction writers!!!!
Graham says: ”even Obama is going to use the tax money for general spend”.
Graham, you are wrong in this department; lots of money he gave to subsidize solar panels and for wind-farms – has boomerang back for his re-election funds; he will not forget that help, from the most loyal supporters.
He was avoiding to debate the phony GLOBAL warming during the election campaign – because he would have lost lots of support. now that is over -> he will be fattening his cronies, more than ever before. He will be borrowing money from China – to buy ;cheap Chinese solar panels – and will subsidize, to be installed… stick around and you will see.
Gary Pearse
So lets see, 3000 puny km^3 is 3000/50,000,000, we have lost 0.006% of the big number in 20 years. The reason why people can get scared is they don’t do the simple calculations within the capability of everyone to put things in perspective – its a big big world out there. The alarmists know this will scare you. Oh yeah and sea level rise from the big melt? 120 metres – now that was big, not like puny 1.5mm a year.
The issue is not just whether larger, bigger, smaller, less intense or more intense, climate parameters have happened previously. Obviously, if you dig through the past 4 billion years, you will find that most things have happened already. It is not particularly meaningful, in terms of the choices we face, to know that sea level has changed by 120 m… just as it is not particularly meaningful to know that there are marine fossils where I live – over a thousand metres above sea level.
Demonstrating that a state of climate has happened before tells us nothing except that the state of climate has happened before. It certainly does nothing to illuminate decision-making about the risks of doing something versus the risks of doing nothing today.
The critical issues are:
(1) the rate of change
(2) the nature of the change (all climate parameters, some climate parameters, highly volatile, linear)
(3) the geographical coverage of the change
(4) whether changes are synergistic or whether they cancel each other
(5) thresholds in any of the parameters.
(6) the degree to which anthropogenic forcings are involved
(7) sorting the risk management, cost/benefit equation with respect to the central policy choice between AGW prevention and AGW adaptation.
Unskeptical says:
“The issue is not just whether larger, bigger, smaller, less intense or more intense, climate parameters have happened previously. Obviously, if you dig through the past 4 billion years…”
Strawman fallacy.
Every climate parameter has been exceeded during the Holocene; the past 10,700 years. Obviously you do not understand the concept of the Null Hypothesis. And you have zero empirical evidence of AGW, which is just a conjecture.
Mr De Boer said “That report is going to scare the wits out of everyone, I’m confident those scientific findings will create new political momentum.”
Does this mean they’ve found the Caps Lock key?
I expect that statement says quite a lot about what will be left out of AR5 as much as anything.
Most of the IPCC’s scientific working group reports (AR5 WG1) contain nothing that is the least bit alarming but you can bet that the “Summary for Policy Makers” will ignore the science and present another totally implausible alarmist scenario.
http://www.gallopingcamel.info/Docs/WG1-Ch2.doc
http://www.gallopingcamel.info/Docs/WG1-Ch3.doc
http://www.gallopingcamel.info/Docs/WG1-Ch4.doc
‘t’is tricky to scare the wits out of everyone when you’ve done that already!
Is this the New, improved campaign that builds on previous campaigns such as ‘it’s worse than we thought’ or ‘No, it’s even worse than we thought’ or, even, ‘we knew it was bad maybe cataclysmic but we were far too optimistic’
If it gets any worse then, I for one, may have to seriously consider chewing out my eyeballs just to remain slightly optimistic about our future!
Next IPCC report will ‘scare the wits out of everyone’
Apparently it has already scared the wits out of Mr de Boer. If he had any left, that is.
In reply to Gondo says:
November 7, 2012 at 11:12 am
The Arctic changes are scary. Greenland has lost 3000km3 of ice since 1995 (the ice-sheet was in balance before that) and the continuing collapse in sea ice volume is bewildering. This years huge surface melt in GReenland is a symptom that the mass-loss is continuing. It’s scary that there are still wingnut morans who think that the Arctic is not warming up!
Gondo,
Your fears can be assuaged. The planet is about to cool. The ice core data proxy data indicates the ice sheets warms and cools cyclically with the Greenland ice sheet warming and the Antarctic ice sheet cooling or vise versa which paleoclimatologists call the polar see saw. The next cooling cycle appears to be a special Bond type event (the once every 1500 year cooling cycle or a Heinrich event.)
The following is a link to a paper by Svensmark that explains the mechanism.
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0612145v1
The Antarctic climate anomaly and galactic cosmic rays
Borehole temperatures in the ice sheets spanning the past 6000 years show Antarctica repeatedly warming when Greenland cooled, and vice versa (Fig. 1) [13, 14]. North-south oscillations of greater amplitude associated with Dansgaard-Oeschger events are evident in oxygenisotope data from the Wurm-Wisconsin glaciation[15]. The phenomenon has been called the polar see-saw[15, 16], but that implies a north-south symmetry that is absent. Greenland is better coupled to global temperatures than Antarctica is, and the fulcrum of the temperature swings is near the Antarctic Circle. A more apt term for the effect is the Antarctic climate anomaly.
Attempts to account for it have included the hypothesis of a south-flowing warm ocean current crossing the Equator[17] with a built-in time lag supposedly intended to match paleoclimatic data. That there is no significant delay in the Antarctic climate anomaly is already apparent at the high-frequency end of Fig. (1). While mechanisms involving ocean currents might help to intensify or reverse the effects of climate changes, they are too slow to explain the almost instantaneous operation of the Antarctic climate anomaly.
Figure (2a) also shows that the polar warming effect of clouds is not symmetrical, being most pronounced beyond 75◦S. In the Arctic it does no more than offset the cooling effect, despite the fact that the Arctic is much cloudier than the Antarctic (Fig. (2b)). The main reason for the difference seems to be the exceptionally high albedo of Antarctica in the absence of clouds.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2003GL017115.shtml
Timing of abrupt climate change: A precise clock by Stefan Rahmstorf
Many paleoclimatic data reveal a approx. 1,500 year cyclicity of unknown origin. A crucial question is how stable and regular this cycle is. An analysis of the GISP2 ice core record from Greenland reveals that abrupt climate events appear to be paced by a 1,470-year cycle with a period that is probably stable to within a few percent; with 95% confidence the period is maintained to better than 12% over at least 23 cycles. This highly precise clock points to an origin outside the Earth system; oscillatory modes within the Earth system can be expected to be far more irregular in period.
So, it “will scare everyone?” Seriously?
These nimrods never learn, do they?
fairfax media’s main papers are The Age in melbourne, Sydney Morning Herald, Canberra Times all of which carried this “exclusive”, plus they have a number of regional newspapers and radio stations around australia, which are no doubt pushing this as well. mind u, Fairfax is going under financially, as are most MSM, and it’s likely, in part, because of their relentless doom & gloom CAGW reporting, but that’s another story.
Can we call this an IPCC blitz of lies?
They will announce that CAGW has morphed into the especially terrifying “Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Pausing” – CAGP
It will be the fault of human industrial emissions of CO2 that the world has not warmed in the last 16 years.
The climate models will say so…
@ur momisugly William
“The next cooling cycle appears to be a special Bond type event”
So we can blame it on MI6?
You’re correct, I’m very out of touch with the specifics there. However, once in office, I wouldn’t trust him to keep to that pledge. Most likely, he’ll fudge things so he can get away with doing the minimum. Certainly his party’s victory would be viewed, around the world, as a defeat for warmism, since the carbon tax was/is such a big deal there.
I’ve read that there’s quite a housing bubble there, just waiting to be burst when a global recession gets going, which it will.
Yet. (Isn’t the current gov’t. backpedaling a bit on implementing its tax, or rejiggering it somehow?)
I’d read here that the election was scheduled for February. Oops. (I should have realized that Feb. would be too soon after the previous election.)
In certain instances, it can tell more–e.g., that a disastrous runaway effect didn’t follow from temperatures warmer than today’s, or temperatures equally warm and for a longer period, such as the MWP, etc.
Could this possibly have anything to do with climate talks which start in Doha in – ooh let me see now – three weeks?
/sarc