US News and World Report is running a poll on whether or not Hurricane Sandy was caused by global warming. Here is the poll results currently:
Since it is open to everyone, no matter what side of this opinion you come down on, see their web site to add your vote if you wish.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/10/30/was-hurricane-sandy-caused-by-global-warming
UPDATE: From reader input it seems this poll is apparently of even poorer quality than one would expect, and allows multiple voting. NO to vote stuffing. Be honest, 1 vote per person please…though, they may allow you to think it was counted. Sigh, what a poor design for a national magazine. In any event none of that vote stuffing please. OTOH this lack of basic input control negates any value the poll may have. – Anthony
and the noes have it
best wishes from the UK to all those affected.
Istm it’s a valid poll, but it’s not measuring anything about hurricanes: it’s measuring the level to which the propaganda is being accepted, and it’s measring the “activism” level ofalarmists and skeptics. So, vote often if you want USNews to spout less cr*p and more sense!
Wayne, I’ve run into that problem in the past in many postings elsewhere regarding secondhand smoke. When things get so far out of hand in terms of general real beliefs it’s hard to produce any sort of satire without a portion of the population believing it’s a real statement. The problems with AGW or Antismoking propaganda are that
(1) Most of it contains “germs of truth” — sometimes more and sometimes less. If the “sources” or “authorities” giving the statement are prominent and respected people are less likely to probe into the statements and realize that “Yes, this one little part in these certain conditions COULD possibly be true, but 98% of it is bovine excrement.”
(2) The “authorities” spouting it are lopsided due to funding organizations and (following due to grants) universities generally supporting the politically correct view through their research design and orientation, with grant proposals “promising” the right sort of results even before the studies are done (e.g. see my comments below Jacob Grier’s article at: http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/2210.html )
(3) Even if the research, despite researchers’ best efforts, ends up giving the “wrong” answers, the researchers can “spin” the results in the words they choose in describing them in their abstract: e.g. emphasizing the non-significant “good” results while characterizing the one actually significant result (which did not support the study’s “purpose”) as showing “no association.: (Note the WHO study’s abstract and my note on it at the bottom of http://www.nycclash.com/Philly.html#ETSTable )
When fighting in areas where the generally accepted “World View” among both the general population and “The Authorities” is so lopsided, one *does* have to be extra-careful in their attempts at irony or satire … so your criticism is well-taken. If I (or anyone else here who want to) use that Katrina argument again elsewhere we should probably emphasize the nature of our point a bit more strongly at the end.
– MJM
Apparently there will be a new poll:
“Does global warming cause full moons?”
aroooooooooooooooo!
Was Hurricane Sandy Caused by Global Warming?
A.34.31% Yes
B.65.69% No
as of 6:29 am EDT 10/31/2012
Wayne, as noted, your criticism is well-taken, but I realize now why I was a bit surprised by it! I meant the comment as a followup to the below earlier in this thread but it was actually made way back in the TwitterTitter thread. WUWT just moves too fast to keep up with!! LOL!
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“Am I mistaken in my memories (I don’t think I am) or didn’t they say the same sort of stuff after Katrina? I seem to remember some graph trying to argue that every year after Katrina was steadily going to get worse and worse and that by the time we hit 2014ish Florida, Louisiana, et al were going to be little more than distant memories.”
– MJM
Consider what would have happened if the north east was heavily dependent on wind or solar as the lefties want. Every windmill would shutdown to protect itself. Solar doesn’t work well in the rain. Blackouts every where.
It’s now worse than we thought, head for the hills.
The poll now reads:
33.91% Yes
66.09% No
When the poll is over what exactly does it all mean???? Should they have had a poll in 1780 asking whether the global cooling of the Little Ice Ages cased the following???
I rest my case.
So, approximately 1/3 of this particular poll’s respondents are hopelessly mired in a quasi-religious Belief system, based on fear and ignorance. Good to know.
It’s the sun stupid !
So one question would be, Did we (the skeptics at WUWT) turn the pole around, or did the other readers of US News and World Report turn it around?
if the skeptics at WUWT turned it around, how many people voted overall? It couldn’t have been a statistically significant number.
If the other readers turned it around, how did it get so far in the “Yes” direction before it turned around? Early vote stuffing by activists?
NO – 66.47%, yes – 33.53% – the power of the WUWT community!
Anthony, we had some awesome waves in Lake Michigan from Hurricane Sandy:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/view/prodsByState.php?state=IL&prodtype=public
To your knowledge, did the effects of Sandy reach as far north as Hudson’s Bay or the Arctic Circle? The Arctic sea ice mass was just beginning its re-freeze, and I’m wondering if winds may have disrupted this, leading to more panic/wringing-of-hands amongst many? Best, Charles the DrPH
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D. Patterson says:
October 30, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Many people are asking what is this Fountain of Youth in North Carolina which selects so many Democrats for such remarkable longevity in their lives?
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They have fake birth certificates just like the Zero….
No one hates science based polls more than me. This is one poll, I would like to have seen done properly. Why? Because the question cannot be misconstrued and would have given an indication of the effectiveness of the alarmist campaign. Not the science, but the general public’s perceived understanding of climate vs weather.
If the public does, in fact, now perceive hurricanes as being caused by AGW, we have lost the political game. Every damaging storm will be perceived as the TEOTWAWKI and there really is nothing that skeptics can effectively do. We cannot “prove” the negative.
If the public discerns the hype and understands that nothing unusual is happening, then science will prevail. Unfortunately, these results will be meaningless, and we will not obtain a litmus test. GK
I don’t know if you’re graph updates in realtime or it’s an image from a snapshot, but currently the results at USNews is 32.94% Yes and 67.06% No. Have the results changed that much or are your labels wrong?
According to the poll, the No is at 67% and the Yes is at 33%. i.e opposite to what you have up top.
Cheers
Of course, I then thought “I should check and see if this is already mentioned”. Of course, 5 spots up it was. Reading is such a wonderful skill!!
Cheers
Science decided by an internet poll.
Vote early. Vote often…
Donny says:
what happened to weather isn’t climate?
Is there an objective definition for either “weather” or “climate”?
I’ve observed the same when it comes to “local”/”regional” vs “global”. e.g. in the context of warmist denying the MWP.
Markj: Here is NASA’s answer
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/?FuseAction=ShowNews&NewsID=337
It seems to be a pretty fluid term, modifies to fit the needs of the speaker.
I voted no 5 times and yes 4 times.
Henry@John in NZ.
You could have saved you some time by just voting once no.
Henry@all
Always remember it is the cooling that causes more clouds and more condensation
I took the results of measurements from 47 weather stations, every day for the past 38 years. In the case of the maximum temps. that was about 650000 results.
This is my summary of those results.
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2012/10/02/best-sine-wave-fit-for-the-drop-in-global-maximum-temperatures/
The blue line is the one that is coming down (to the present). I pray to God that I am right with that fit and that we are now nearing the bottom of the curve. If my sine wave is not right, we could be plunging further down, probably towards a much cooler world, like another little ice age.
So please, do stop worrying about the global warming.. Stop worrying about the carbon. Start worrying about the coming common cold.
Global warming is nothing more than a political tool, used by liberal’s, democrats, socialist, communist and those who wish to be in power. It is a tool of tyranny, so sad that so many individuals have become slaves/drones and willing to give up life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Besides the earth is in a continual state of deterioration since the flood. We as man can do nothing to undo the damage we have already done. Only The SELF EXISTENT ONE, The Creator can reverse the damage to the earth. Freedom is not free. When good men do nothing evil men prevail.