You may recall that WUWT reported this on Sepetember 6th, 2012:
Game on – NOAA’s refusal of documents earns them a lawsuit
Over the last couple of days, CEI’s Chris Horner has been emailing me news of a FOIA request he made earlier in the year. The FOI request is for correspondence between NOAA’s Dr. Thomas Peterson and Thomas Stocker, the head of the IPCC Working Group 1. It is hoped that this correspondence might get him some information on the IPCC secret letter sent by Stocker to all of the IPCC lead authors right after Climategate:
We have the announcement above, but not the attachment. The attachment is apparently secret since nobody wants to talk about it or even acknowledge its existence.
Steve McIntyre wrote an eviscerating essay about the secret letter circulated by the IPCC to UEA/CRU, which they are refusing to divulge, because:
there would be an adverse effect on international relations between IPCC WG1 and academic institutions within the United Kingdom because it would force is to reconsider our working arrangements with those experts who have been selected for an active role in WG1 AR5 from your institution and others in the UK”.
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That was then. We have that letter now….it seems about duck and cover from media stories about the various IPCC “gates”, followed by business as usual:
Here is the original:
Letter_WG1AR4Authors_26022010 (PDF)
And the email from NCDC’s Thomas Peterson:
Chris Horner deserves praise for his dogged persistence.
Here is a repost of my comment above with corrected questions:
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John Whitman says:
October 4, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Here is the metadata from the pdf file of the just released letter.
What modifications were made on 10/2/2012 1:50:16 PM? Where is the original document created on 2/26/2010 10:10:31 AM?
NOAA, I request to see the original created on 2/26/2010 10:10:31 AM.
John
Chris Horner was on Peter Schiff’s radio program today explaining how the Obama administration is illegally shredding electronic communications within various government entities. They are also utilizing Google, AOL etc. with private email accounts so they cannot be traced. All illegal, but as we’ve learned over the past ~4 years, the law has little meaning to the Obama administration.
There’s no reason to believe the IPCC and the players in climategate financed by taxpayers are employing the same tactics to avoid public scrutiny and oversight.
Some people think we messed up, we don’t have the time or inclination to work out if we messed up so we are going to tell everyone we didn’t mess up even if we did.
But, shhhh! Don’t tell anyone…
Something odd here.
In the email, the pdf attachment is noted as being “327K”
I downloaded the pdf, saved it to disk…. and it is only 127K.
REPLY: with the similarity of the last two digits, likely a typo, chances of two docs having last two digits for size is small – Anthony
Maybe if Romney is elected he will convene a panel to “conduct
their[our] own investigation” to alleviate “growing concernsamong[within our] government.”I think it’s primitive knee jerk reactions – “how dare these
uneducatedhighly qualifiednobodiesNobel prizewinners, NASA chiefs, astrophysicists, geologists and engineers question usplanet-savingmean-spiritedexpertsBS’ers“REPLY: with the similarity of the last two digits, likely a typo, chances of two docs having last two digits for size is small – Anthony
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Anthony,
The file size of an attachment is in general calculated by the email system that sent it. This is unlikely to be a typo. Nobody types that information in manually. There are some possible technical explanations for the size discrepancy. I consider them remote. Occum’s Razor suggests that the pdf provided is 200K smaller than the attachment referenced in the email.
REPLY: Yeah that’s possible too. I hadn’t noted that it was an auto size insert, I was only responded to the comment itself, as I’ve been super busy today. Will look further – A
Occum’s Razor suggests that the pdf provided is 200K smaller than the attachment referenced in the email.
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Turns out that the actual explanation is that I’m an idiot. I transposed the file names when I saved the copy of the pdf and the email. The pdf is the correct size.
Sorry folks!
Meanwhile the totalitarians are controling the discourse at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy
Theirs is serious propaganda…
This is totally O/T but can anyone help me? For months I’ve been unable to link to Lucia’s blackboard site and even Lucia wasn’t able to help. She did try though.
I get either an access denied page or a scary page that doesn’t mean a thing to me. I’m using windows XP and IExplorer as a browser.
I have few computer skills, but I would be interested if anyone can help at all?
A quick search for Melinda Tignor on the Climategate e-mails:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?search=melinda+tignor
The first Tignor e-mail in the list ( 3205.txt ) has this lovely little snippet (from Jones to Trenberth).
“Useful ones might be Baldwin, Benestad (written on the solar/cloud issue – on the right side, i.e anti-Svensmark),…”
The money quote: “The IPCC Chair, Vice-Chairs and Co-Chairs are working on a strategy to ensure
that work on the AR5 is as effective as possible whilst at the same time emphasising the robustness of the AR4 findings.”
So no chance then that AR4 might be wrong about something.
Melinda Tignor
https://www.ipcc-wg1.unibe.ch/organization/organization.html
Pretty boring letter. Kinf ot glad the pressure we’ve been putting on the IPCC has resulted in them taking some action wrt non peer-reviewed literature and specifically discouraged its use.
Neville. says:
October 4, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I had that problem with Lucia’s site too from my home inThailand. It seems to be something automatic and it blocked my IP address because it was situated in a ‘high risk area’ for viruses and such like. I have no idea really about anything to do with computers – I hit rocks with hammers for a living – and didn’t spend any time trying to fix something which was way beyond my particulart skill set.
I happened to upgrade my internet access from a wireless plug in USB type thing and got a hard wired internet access from a different provider. One by product was that I can now access Lucia’s site from home!
OK, having made a fool of myself once already today, I figure I should take another shot at it.
Is the email in the post supposed to be the same as the email in the pdf? They are both time stamped Friday, Feb 26, 2010, but the one at the top of the post is 10:26AM and the one in the pdf is 5:25AM.
The fonts are slightly different as well.
Neville.
I get either an access denied page or a scary page that doesn’t mean a thing to me.
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Talk to your ISP. A problem like that is unlikely to be on your computer. It is more likely due to some traffic restrictions your ISP has. They’ve probably blacklisted the site by mistake. On the other hand, finding a technical resource at the ISP who can help you may also be a challenge….
I read a whole lot of nothing in that letter. Rah Rah Rah, we believe in your work, go team. Big deal. Why the 3 year fight to hide THAT?
I never quite realize the WMO (the World Meteorological Organization) was one of the parents of the IPCC, I always thought the UNFCCC was the one parent. Of course till a few minutes ago I didn’t know of the existence of the World Meteorological Congress either. So if the WMO is not under the UN, what exactly is the relationship between all of these organizations, including the UNFCCC ( the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change) and UNEP? Anyone know?
Hopefully Chris Horner will be able to get enough goods on the people destroying douments in the administration to get criminal charges brought against them.
In this connection Penn State U’s administration’s attitude towards its star AGW scaremonger looks IMHO an awful lot like its attitude towards Jerry Sandusky.
As for an “AR” – if you add “SE” to this, you get a pretty good notion of what will come out of it.
Neville. says:
October 4, 2012 at 5:53 pm
? ‘Lucia’s blackboard’
Using the list on the right-side of WUWT, the following link loads
http://rankexploits.com/musings/
using both Chrome on an XP machine,
and IExplorer (same machine).
So, davidmhoffer’s comment sounds like the place to look.
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John Whitman says:
October 4, 2012 at 5:03 pm
What modifications were made on 10/2/2012 1:50:16 PM? Where is the original document created on 2/26/2010 10:10:31 AM?
Letter_WG1AR4Authors_26022010
2010-02-26T10:10:31Z
Microsoft Word
2012-10-02T13:50:16-04:00
2012-10-02T13:50:16-04:00
The original PDF was saved on 2/26/2010 in Zulu time (GMT)
The 10/02/2012 date shows GMT -4:00, probably created by Chris Horner when he opened
and resaved it. CEI is in Wash DC. So no big deal, IMO.
Wayne – WMO is also an organisation of the UN. There really is nothing that they don’t have a hand in, such is their desire to control absolutely everything.