Watching the debate tonight, I kept listening for some hint of the discussion of the “climate crisis”.
Why? Because the League of Conservation Voters put out a broad petition campaign to influence moderator Jim Lehrer:
But it didn’t work, not a single mention was made of, as they put it, “…the greatest challenge of our generation — climate change.”
The closest it got was when when Romney talked about the need for energy for a strong economy:
“I LIKE COAL.”
He also talked about making the XL pipeline a reality. But the real zinger was when he talked about Obama’s choices on backing green energy companies like Solyndra:
“You put $90 billion – like 50 years worth of breaks to Solyndra … I have a friend who said, ‘you don’t just the pick the winners and losers – you pick the losers,’”Romney said.
As Sheldon Cooper would say. Bazinga !
I thought the Romney comment about 90 billion for green jobs compared to the much smaller amount for tax breaks for oil companies was a mention of climate issues and if I am not mistaken President Obama really didn’t respond, either to the tax issue or why it is necessary to spend so much on climate issues.
Gary Hladik says:
October 3, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Torgeir Hansson says (October 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm): “If you want responsible financial policies, vote Democrat. Period. Hint: Clinton.”
Hint: Clinton isn’t running. Obama is.
Oops.
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Funny how Obamanites will blame Bush for the Obama economy yet won’t credit Reagan for the Clinton economy.
(PS I never thought I’d ever say I would vote for Clinton. But if he was the one running against Obama…..)
Torgeir Hansson, Clinton had one balanced budget because the NASDAQ gained 99% in 1999 & the US Treasury enjoyed windfall capital gains taxes, combined with spending controlled by Newt Gingrich’s Congress elected in 1994 specifically to counter Clinton’s liberal policies, rammed through contrary to his own campaign promises in 1992. It is delusional to imagine that Democrats are more fiscally responsible than Republicans, since every year in which they controlled Congress from the Eisenhower to Bush the Elder Administrations, the US ran deficits & raided the Social Security trust fund.
What we need is someone to accept the will of the people, but with enough wisdom to make them work for it.
“You put $90 billion into — into green jobs. And I — look, I’m all in favor of green energy,” Romney said. “$90 billion, that would have — that would have hired 2 million teachers. $90 billion.”
“And these businesses, many of them have gone out of business, I think about half of them, of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business,” Romney added. “A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.”
I was almost shouting, “Call it what it is, a SLUSH FUND!”
But that definitely would have provoked a response so it’s better he didn’t.
SpaghettiO’s silence on the charge was a BIG take away for viewers, I would think.
Mitt showed up to this debate determined to make it to the finish line in front. He wanted it most and I agree with the talking heads that he took the checkered flag.
Politics is a lot like stock car racing I guess. If you bump too hard and turn somebody hard into the wall then teammates likely will return the favor at a later race.
Why do the have Province and Postal Code on the form for a petition about the USA election?
I think this combination is part of a Canadian address and I’m pretty sure Canadians can not vote in the USA.
Did the USA change its rules on foreign participation and influence in the election process?
League of Conservation Voters take note: Mexico has States not Provinces.
Mitt Romney will make a very nice president.
but not off the MSM radar:
4 Oct: Australian: AFP: Man-made gases emitted ‘centuries before industrialisation’
HUMANS were big emitters of greenhouse gases long before the Industrial Revolution, a finding that raises worrying questions about the benchmark for measuring global warming, a newly-published study says.
For 1800 years before industrialisation took off in the 19th century, emissions of methane rose in line with expanding populations, human conquest and agricultural techniques, it said.
Celia Sapart at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and colleagues analysed 56 ice core samples drilled in north and central Greenland for levels of carbon 13, a telltale isotope of methane…
The major contributors are likely to have been deforestation, biomass burning and rice paddies, rather than geological sources such as mud volcanoes, according to the study published in the journal Nature…
The study was neither designed to calculate the additional warming from the methane emissions, nor probe whether any warming affected weather patterns, but it has clear implications for work on climate change, said Ms Sapart.
“This study shows the urgency of controlling greenhouse gas emissions as soon as possible, because it shows that the disequilibrium in the climate system caused by humans existed for much longer than we expected,” she said in an email exchange with AFP…
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/man-made-gases-emitted-centuries-before-industrialisation/story-e6frg8y6-1226487884225
Atmospheric Physics and Chemistry Group
Dr Celia Julia Sapart
Master in “Climate Change”, University of East Anglia, Norwich (UEA), UK, 2006-2007
http://www.projects.science.uu.nl/atmosphereclimate/celia.php
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@Torgeir Hansson says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm
The Democrats are the tax and spend party, the Republicans are the borrow and spend party. This is clearly borne out by the facts since the Ronald Reagan Administration. If you want responsible financial policies, vote Democrat. Period. Hint: Clinton.
As far as the climate change debate, there is none. It is a talking point to be trotted out when President Obama meets with his more radical constituents, nothing more.”
Lets look at this…”If you want responsible fiscal policies, vote Democrat”
Responsible fiscal policies like “Yet, during the last year, the national debt increased $1.2 trillion and has increased $5.3 trillion since Obama took office, bringing the total national debt to more than $16 trillion.” That is a 33% increase over 4 years or an average of 1.35 trillion in new debt per year.
Or perhaps the trillions in new money that has been printed over the last 4 years to “Bail out” failing businesses.
Or the 5+ trillion in economic stimulus to increase job growth. Claiming to have created almost 5mil new jobs (where??? I don’t know) that is over $1 million per job (seems costly)
Then there is the Green Energy policies like Grants to Solyndra.
Green will be viable when it can produce Cheap clean energy 100% of the time instead of Solar that produces 3 times as costly electricity about 27% of the time or Wind that produces 6 times as costly electricity about 22% of the time and do so at the same or lower cost per KWH as Natural Gas or Clean Coal without subsidies.
If these are Responsible Fiscal Policies then the Fox is in charge of the Hen House
[snip – a bit over the top sorry, -mod]
Next debate Obama will bring up climate and the need to prevent the bacon and diaper shortage that will disable impact women disproportionately. Both caused because he did not get cap and tax.
It will be a hard hitting point.
I think we should address the climate crisis “boldly” and “head on.” We should not shy away.
As soon as we see a real fixable problem with our climate and a real solution that would fix that real problem, we should get right on it. So far, I haven’t seen much of either.
cn
Torgeir Hansson says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm
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Would just like to point out that all of Clinton’s financial policies came from a Republican congress.
The point you are clumsily trying to make just couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s more like The Democrats are the tax, borrow and spend party. Honestly, you really couldn’t be more clueless if you tried. But have a look here at this chart …
Deficits-Surplus by Congressional Control 1995-2009
… and pay attention to the colors of the data points. Now imagine extending through the DingleBarry administration. The Democratic-Socialist party is exactly what it is and has been for the better part of a century. All the big ticket timebombs, Social Security, Medicare, Socialized Medicine, were planted by these terrorists and will blow up in a future generation’s face, and still they demand more. Yes I said it. Just like a terrorist setting a bomb and escaping the scene, they have done the same knowing full well the country will collapse after they are dead and buried. So do NOT vote Democrat if you care at all about your country, your kids, grand-kids, and future descendants. It is really simple math.
So what’s the deal with you anyway Torgeir? Are you a Norwegian butting his nose into our internal affairs? Are you a transplant trying to drag EuroSocialism to the states? Are you the Torgeir Hansson in San Francisco? Are you a USA citizen? If you’re not a citizen, then why don’t you STFU about our elections and we’ll do the same about your homeland ( wherever that may be ). Deal?
No it wasn’t. Poor Torgeir is a dyed in the wool socialist who comes out from time to time to astroturf for the enemy. Check out examples of his thread-bombing in this thread. about Canada leaving Kyoto. I squished together about 18 of his 20 something comments into a single paragraph of clichés and leftist talking points.
Torgeir Hansson says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm
The Democrats are the tax and spend party, the Republicans are the borrow and spend party. This is clearly borne out by the facts since the Ronald Reagan Administration. If you want responsible financial policies, vote Democrat. Period. Hint: Clinton.
Torgeir,
Think Newt Gingrich, The Contract With America, and Neo-Conservative control of Congress during the Clinton administration. As every school child in the US of A should have learned, Congress controls spending, not the President. Guess you missed that, eh? The Neo-Cons forced the Clinton administration to be financially responsible, by laying out a path to a balanced budget and passing legislation that made it happen. Fact.
MtK
Wrong question–there IS no “climate crisis”.
That’s like the judge asking the plaintif “When did you stop beating your wife”?, yet the guy never has (beaten his wife, that is). So it’s no wonder Leher ignored a question like that.
(Who is running the store over there at the League of Conservative Voters–didn’t any of them graduate university?)
Bryan A says:
My gosh, Bryan, get a clue–it was Gingrich and a Republican House (ever hear of the Contract with America?) that forced responsible financial policies (along with a number of other things) on Clinton. Look it up and get the true picture of what happened–Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to a sound fiscal position; it wasn’t his bright idea at all.
Having watched it and chewed it over I think I saw a defeated man in Obama, out of guts, out of time, out of everything.
Of course he has two more chances to fight back but from his sorry performance but I think he neither cares nor can be bothered:. it is just a ritual humiliation he must endure on his way down the tubes.
his own internal polling must have told him, not to be confused with overhyped published polls, he has lost the race already. By between 60 and 90 electoral college votes is my estimation.
And short of a white rabbit out a top hat, and I suspect he is out of rabbits, I don’t think there is anything he can now do to make up that lost ground.
But if you deliberately fracture your own electoral base, as he has so successfully done, think the coal states, think the lower middle class, think of any of a dozen other electorally important groups: and up against a challenger who has cemented his diverse base into a electorally solid force then it’s game over. And he knows it.
Still time will tell.
Kindest Regards
OssQss says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:59 pm
You are close to the truth here.
The reason that ‘Global Warming’ ‘Climate change’ etc etc is not mentioned is that in political terms that battle has already been won by the warmists. The EPA regulations are in place, power generation facilities ARE being closed down, the talk in board rooms is of reducing CO2 footprints and sustainability (nice little Agenda21 and Rio memes) – many sectors like aviation are facing ruinous worldwide taxation etc etc.
It is the realists that should be continually raising the failures of the AGW forecasts and insist on having all the ‘green’ regulations and taxes repealed as industries in the US and Europe are continuing to die or move to the far East and India; and, children are still being taught that ‘carbon’ is dangerous to the world.
Winning the factual argument now is too late – the victors have already left the battlefield.
Torgeir Hansson
oct 3 8:37pm
It is really sad that you can’t seem to remember that all the policies and changes in laws and regualtions that brought on the housing crisis and tanked our current economy were instititued under Clinton. He left office before the shit he shat hit the fan.
Six times President Bush went before Congress and warned that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were going bankrupt. You can find vidios of his speeches on YouTube. Deomocrats controlled Contgress and they ignored him. The ever so lovable Barney Frank was touting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as a great investment almost up to the day that they both went bankrupt.
The ecomomic boon that occurred under Clinton was fueled by the high tech revolution which he had nothing to do with but which he took credit for. He instituted all the policies that created the recession that we are now in and which he publically, time and time again has blamed Bush for.
There are lovely videos on YouTube showing Democrats taking credit for the housing boom and after the bubble burst those same Deomocrats blaming Bush.
As far as Reagan goes — He wanted a moderate increase in defense spending. What the Democrats who controlled Congress demanded as their price for that was a huge increase in social spending. To look at the budget from that time it appears that the social budget and defense spending increased equally but that is not true. What the Democrats did was shift items that had previously always been in the social budget into the defense budget (the prime example was miliitary pensions — they had always been in the social budget) thus creating room in the social budget while raising the defense budget. Then the democratic congress added a little more defense spending and added a huge increase to the social budget. The result was that the social budget increased by 3 real dollars for every 1 dollar the defense budget increased. But the appearance was that the social budget and defense budget recieved equal increases.
You tout Democrats as fiscally responsible? Man, i feel sorry for you, you poor dupe.
Eugene WR Gallun
This is the US National Debt Clock.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Your great country is rapidly heading towards Greek style financial status. You do not have money to spend on expensive Green measures that can never work. Your debt at 650,000Us$ per family has the potential to wreck the world economy in the next decade.
Who is going to do anything about it? Who is going to say to the US public that the country and private indviduals have to stop spending borrowed money if they want to maintain the status of a great nation. Will Obama do this? Will Romney have the guts to do it? Will the US public accept the necessary measures?
Was this talked about in the debate last night? Romney got surprisingly good reaction from the BBC here in Britain who normally promote Obama,.
tonyb
tonyb
Is ther really a climate crisis? I think not at least in reality so why discuss a non crisis. The US needs to get a grip on its $14T debt crisis and ignoring the feared but nonexistent climate crisis would help save billions of dollars and increase employment so increasing the tax take. Obama has been blinded by the green lobby who talk a load of BS.
Torgeir Hansson must feel like Barack Hussein Obama did last night.
Facts are a b!tch.
“…the greatest challenge of our generation — climate change.“
The scream of bloody murder they keep using is what is turning people like me away from them. They are just background noise I hope will be gone when I turn around to see if it’s still there some day.