Mutiny of the bounties – Heartland responds to ridiculous Truthmarket campaign

This is even more ridiculous than Stephan Lewandowsky’s “moon landing conspiracy theory paper” and Skeptical Science’s sekrit “crusher crew” kids klub managed by John Cook. I suppose the people pushing these things just have no idea what clowns they look like trying these campaigns to discredit climate skepticism, otherwise we wouldn’t see these constant substitutions of “opinion consensus” for hard science. Opinion isn’t science, get over it.

From PRWeb yesterday, a loaded proposition, most likely engineered to fail. It is really difficult to taker this seriously when they use “deniers” in the headline, and doubly difficult to take seriously when they don’t define “credible” anywhere, leaving that definition open to the whims of the organizers.

To win the $5,000 bounty, a campaign challenger must provide verifiable evidence that significantly less than 95% of credible American scientists believe in the reality of global climate change and that humans are a likely cause.

My first thought was: Why would anyone want to respond to a campaign where they insult you right out of the gate? Then I realized this is nothing but propaganda, they designed it to fail.

So rather than take them up on it (which is destined to fail due to the way the don’t define “credible evidence”), it seems that the tables are turned, and a new reverse bounty has been offered. Here’s the PR headline from Truthmarket yesterday:

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Climate Change Deniers Challenged by a TruthMarket Campaign Offering a $5,000 Bounty for Proof that More than 5% of Credible American Scientists Dispute Global Climate Change

A funded campaign asserting that over 95% of American scientists believe that global climate change is real and is most likely caused by humans has been launched with a $5,000 bounty on TruthMarket, the site that enables grassroots, crowd-funding of challenges to political, commercial and science misrepresentations

Atherton, California (PRWEB) October 01, 2012

TruthMarket, a division of Truth Seal Corp., today announced that registered member, Ellen Davis, launched a campaign challenging climate change deniers to prove that more than 5% of credible American scientists dispute global warming or that it is likely caused by humans. The first person who can deliver verifiable evidence that significantly fewer than 95% of qualified American scientists believe in the reality of global climate change and that humans are a likely cause will win the $5,000 bounty.

The campaign was motivated by a recent Yale University poll showing that only 13% of Americans surveyed were aware that the vast majority of US scientists believe that climate change is real, and that humans are the most likely cause. “That is a big problem,” stated Davis. “It means that the average US citizen is confused or ignorant of what the scientific community thinks about climate change.” She adds, “This should be of concern to everyone. It is the scientific community that is most qualified to interpret the data. Either they have been ineffective in communicating and persuading the public or the deniers have bigger budgets to drown out the warnings.”

Quoting Anthony Leiserowitz of the Yale University Project on Climate Change Communication, Davis agrees with his observation that, “So far the evidence shows that the more people understand that there is this consensus, the more they tend to believe that climate change is happening, the more they understand that humans are a major contributor, and the more worried they are about it.”

To win the $5,000 bounty, a campaign challenger must provide verifiable evidence that significantly less than 95% of credible American scientists believe in the reality of global climate change and that humans are a likely cause.

About TruthMarket

TruthMarket is a division of Truth Seal, a California Corporation. TruthMarket is designed to be a popular online platform that enables everyone to campaign for truth in public dialogue. The primary objective is to increase truth and trust throughout the public information space – online and offline – by publicly exposing false claims and highlighting true claims. TruthMarket’s ultimate goal is to predispose all public dialogue toward truth telling.

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Marketplace for Truth Telling, TruthMarket and TruthSeal are trademarks of Truth Seal Corp.

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Here’s the woman supposedly behind it all, one Ellen Davis:

Given the similarity of the setting in the video, and the fact that it was uploaded by the same person who uploaded videos for other “Truthmarket” lectures, I suspect she might be an employee of the “Truthmarket/Truthseal” organization.

And, how many young women like her have $5000 to blow on a cause? One wonders where that money really comes from.

It seems darned fishy to me that she has no track record in climate activism that seems evident via searches, then all of the sudden puts up $5k, and she seems to be a friend of the founder of the program sponsor.

For example, in  Google+ she’s a friend to the founder of the “Truthmarket”, Rick Hayes-Roth:

http://gplus.slfeed.net/112303771962306500089

Here’s the Truthmarket founder Rick Hayes-Roth:

http://gplus.slfeed.net/109318101805445010104

I generally don’t trust activist organizations that tout themselves as champions of truth in the name of the organization; history has shown me that to be just psychological projection. Given the shoddy way this campaign is put together, with no strong definitions, I have no reason to trust the principals nor the effort.

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Here’s Heartland’s Jame Taylor offering $5000 for the reverse proposition, also on PRWeb:

Heartland Institute Responds to $5,000 Bounty for Climate Skeptics

TruthMarket on Monday announced a campaign challenging those skeptical about catastrophic, man-caused climate change to offer proof that more than 5 percent of “credible American scientists dispute global warming or that it is likely caused by humans.” According to the campaign: “The first person who can deliver verifiable evidence that significantly fewer than 95 percent of qualified American scientists believe in the reality of global climate change and that humans are a likely cause will win the $5,000 bounty.” The Heartland Institute, which was described by The Economist this year as “the world’s most prominent think tank promoting skepticism about man-made climate change, has published essays about the “Myth of the 98%” and the so-called consensus on climate change – both by Heartland President Joseph Bast.

James M. Taylor, Senior Fellow, Environment Policy, The Heartland Institute

Quote startThis so-called global warming challenge reinforces the ignorance and/or willful misrepresentation of global warming extremists in the global warming debate.Quote end

(PRWEB) October 02, 2012

TruthMarket on Monday announced a campaign challenging those skeptical about catastrophic, man-caused climate change to offer proof that more than 5 percent of “credible American scientists dispute global warming or that it is likely caused by humans.” According to the campaign: “The first person who can deliver verifiable evidence that significantly fewer than 95 percent of qualified American scientists believe in the reality of global climate change and that humans are a likely cause will win the $5,000 bounty.”

The Heartland Institute, which was described by The Economist this year as “the world’s most prominent think tank promoting skepticism about man-made climate change,” has published essays about the “Myth of the 98%” and the so-called consensus on climate change – both by Heartland President Joseph Bast.

The following statement from James M. Taylor, senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute, may be used for attribution. For more comments, refer to the contact information below. To book a Heartland guest on your program, please contact Tammy Nash at tnash(at)heartland(dot)org and 312/377-4000. After regular business hours, contact Jim Lakely at jlakely(at)heartland(dot)org and 312/731-9364.

“This so-called global warming challenge reinforces the ignorance and/or willful misrepresentation of global warming extremists in the global warming debate. Most skeptics of global warming alarmism believe the Earth has modestly warmed during past century in the aftermath of the Little Ice Age, and most skeptics of global warming alarmism believe there is some human contribution to the warming. Accordingly, the so-called global warming challenge is nothing more than a straw-man tactic designed to mislead the public about the real debate.

“The true issue of contention between alarmists and skeptics is whether the Earth is likely to warm in such a rapid and catastrophic manner as to justify the economy-killing solutions advocated by global warming alarmists. I will personally pay a $5,000 bounty to the first person who can deliver verifiable evidence that 95 percent of qualified American scientists believe human-caused global warming is occurring in such a rapid and catastrophic manner as to justify the economy-killing solutions advocated by global warming alarmists.”

James M. Taylor

Senior Fellow for Environmental Policy

The Heartland Institute

jtaylor(at)heartland(dot)org

312/377-4000

The Heartland Institute is a 28-year-old national nonprofit organization headquartered in Chicago, Illinois. Its mission is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems. For more information, visit our Web site or call 312/377-4000.

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Here’s the piece by Bast Taylor references:

You Call This Consensus?

Joseph L. Bast –
July 7, 2011

Contrary to what you read repeatedly in daily newspapers or hear on television, most scientists do not believe there is a “scientific consensus” that man-made climate change (often labeled anthropogenic global warming, or AGW) is or will be a catastrophe. Unfortunately, the old/mainstream/dead media will be the last folks to acknowledge this, so people who dispute the “consensus” will continue to be slandered and abused for years to come.

It is important to distinguish between the statement, which is true, that there is no scientific consensus that AGW is or will be a catastrophe, and the also-true claims that the climate is changing (of course it is, it is always changing) and that most scientists believe there may be a human impact on climate (our emissions and alterations of the landscape are surely having an impact, though they are often local or regional (like heat islands) and small relative to natural variation).

The three different statements are not contradictory or mutually exclusive. Yet it is difficult to find a reporter for a major daily newspaper who understands this elementary distinction. Since reporters aren’t all stupid, we can only guess as to their motives for blurring this important distinction.

What evidence is there to support my claim? I believe it follows from a reasonable interpretation of the following evidence.

(1) The latest international survey of climate scientists by German scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch found (quoting my own interpretation of their results) that “for two-thirds of the questions asked, scientific opinion is DEEPLY DIVIDED, and in half of those cases, most scientists DISAGREE with positions that are at the foundation of the alarmist case.” If you don’t believe that climate models are good enough to predict future climate conditions, for example, how can you “believe” man-made global warming will be a threat?

Unfortunately, the survey shows that disagreement and outright skepticism about the underlying science of AGW doesn’t prevent most scientists from expressing their belief that man-made global warming is a serious problem. This is the nature of a popular delusion, whereby bright people believe dumb things simply because other people believe it.

Bray and Storch are very coy in reporting and admitting the amount of disagreement their surveys find on the basic science of global warming. In an early essay in 1999, reporting on the results of their first survey, they remark on how a willingness to make predictions and recommendations about public policy that aren’t supported by actual science is a sign of “post normal science,” or the willingness to rely on “consensus” rather than actual scientific knowledge when the risks are perceived as being great. This is little different from what I have been calling the “global warming delusion.”

(2) I found pretty much the same thing in an analysis I did of Bray and von Storch’s 2003 survey. That survey found that only 9.4 percent “strongly agreed” and 25.3 percent “agreed” with the statement “climate change is mostly the result of anthropogenic causes.” Some 10.2 percent “strongly disagreed.” Fewer than half the scientists surveyed agreed that “natural scientists have established enough physical evidence to turn the issue of global climate change over to social scientists for matters of policy discussion.” Only 18.6 percent said they believed global warming skeptics receive “too much coverage.”

(3) A 2010 survey of meteorologists found that 63 percent believe global warming is caused mostly by natural causes, and only 31 percent believe humans are primarily responsible.

(4) Another 2010 survey of meteorologists, this one published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, found only one in four American Meteorological Society broadcast meteorologists agrees with United Nations’ claims that humans are primarily responsible for recent global warming.

(5) The often-mocked but never refuted Petition Project” has, since 2007, been signed by more than 31,072 American scientists, including 9,021 with Ph.D.s. The petition says, in part, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” There is no comparable survey attesting to a widespread embrace of the alarmist position.

(6) A 2006 survey of scientists in the U.S. by the National Registry of Environmental Professionals found 41 percent disagreed that the planet’s recent warmth “can be, in large part, attributed to human activity,” and 71 percent disagreed that recent hurricane activity is significantly attributable to human activity. This is, admittedly, less than “most,” but it preceded the disclosures of Climategate, IPCC-gate, and five years of global cooling.

(7) The results of a less scientific survey were announced on the Web site of Scientific American, itself a publication with a highly biased coverage of environmental issues. Only 26 percent of readers of Scientific American responded to the magazine’s online poll saying they believe human emissions are causing global warming.

(8) Even Phil Jones, a prominent alarmist and central figure in the Climategate scandal, doesn’t believe there is a scientific consensus or that recent temperature trends are unusual. In an interview published by BBC News, Phil Jones was asked, “When scientists say ‘the debate on climate change is over’, what exactly do they mean — and what don’t they mean?” Jones responded, “I don’t believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this. This is not my view.”

Jones also acknowledged that recent warming (beginning in 1975 after three decades of cooling global temperatures) is not unprecedented, and is similar to warming periods that occurred from 1860 – 1880 and from 1910 – 1940. Asked about the global temperature trend since 1995, Jones asserted there is no statistically significant warming since 1995. Asked about the global temperature trend since 2002, Jones acknowledged global cooling, but said it is not statistically significant.

(9) One searches in vain for contrary data in support of a “scientific consensus” or the catastrophic forecasts. It certainly can’t be found in Naomi Oreskes imaginative counting of journal articles that appeared, in the non-peer reviewed letters section of Nature in 2004. A no-less rigorous study by Benny Peiser that attempted to replicate her results searched the abstracts of 1,117 scientific journal articles on “global climate change” found only 13 (1 percent) explicitly endorse the “consensus view” while 34 reject or cast doubt on the view that human activity has been the main driver of warming over the past 50 years. According to Peiser: “My analysis also shows that there are almost three times as many abstracts that are sceptical of the notion of anthropogenic climate change than those that explicitly endorse it.”

(10) A few years later, in 2008, Environment & Energy published research by medical researcher Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte, who used the same database and search terms as Oreskes to examine papers published from 2004 to February 2007. (Note that DeSmogBlog reported in 2007 that E&E rejected the study and apparently never corrected its error.) According to the publication’s abstract:

The state of the scientific consensus about climate change was studied by a review of the 539 papers on “global climate change” found on the Web of Science database from January 2004 to mid-February 2007, updating research by Oreskes, who had reported that between 1993 and 2003 none of 928 scientific papers on “global climate change” had rejected the consensus that more than half of the warming of the past 50 years was likely to have been anthropogenic. In the present review, 31 papers (6 percent of the sample) explicitly or implicitly reject the consensus. Though Oreskes said that 75 percent of the papers in her former sample endorsed the consensus, fewer than half now endorse it. Only 7 percent do so explicitly. Only one paper refers to “catastrophic” climate change, but without offering evidence. There appears to be little evidence in the learned journals to justify the climate-change alarm that now harms patients.

(See also this link from Daily Tech titled, Survey: Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory.”)

(11) What of the claim that “all” of the scientific bodies of the world endorse alarmism? Leaders of these groups are typically more political than scientific and they can be depended on to voice the current politically correct views on issues that attract government funding. They also do not poll their members before issuing statements. Even with all this in mind, it’s notable that the Polish Academy of Sciences does not endorse the “consensus” claims.

Britain’s Royal Society, France’s National Academy of Sciences, and India’s National Action Plan on Climate Change have all recently expressed skepticism or embraced important parts of the skeptics’ position.

The leaders of the world’s national science academies are expressing the same “cognitive dissonance” as the individual scientists that Bray and von Storch’s surveyed: they say they “believe” in AGW and fear its consequences, but they are skeptical of the scientific claims that must be true to support that belief. The Amsterdam-based InterAcademy Council (IAC), which is made up of the presidents of many of the world’s national science academies, conducted an audit of the IPCC in 2010. It found that the IPCC doesn’t properly peer review its reports, the selection of scientists who participate is politicized, the summary for policymakers is the product of negotiation among governments and is not written by scientists, and more. IAC recommends structural reforms to fix IPCC’s flaws before IPCC’s next report, due in 2014.

So the public declarations of national science academies may reflect the broader opinions and fears of politicians and scientists, but it is not an endorsement of the underlying science, and cannot be construed as evidence that the science is sound. The leaders of those very organizations have stated publicly that they do not believe the science is sound.

(12) What of the claim that the “3,000 scientists” who participated in production of the IPCC’s 2007 report believe in AGW? The IAC report described in (11) demolishes the credibility of that body, validating what climate realists have been saying for years. The IPCC is a political body, not a scientific body, and its reports are political documents. But just as important, the number refers to the number of scientists and environmental activists who participated in any way in the IPCC, often as reviewers of a single section of a single chapter. They cannot be assumed to endorse the reports’ conclusions because they were never asked. In public comments, many reviewers say they do not, in fact, endorse the IPCC’s conclusions. Very few scientists helped write or review Chapter 9, which addressed the critical issue of attribution – what causes climate change. John McLean found that only 60 scientists help write or commented favorably on that chapter during peer review.

So when someone says the IPCC reports are proof of a scientific consensus on AGW, you should say “the IPCC is proof that 60 scientists believe in AGW, no more and no less than that.”

(13) What of the claim that “97% of climate scientists believe in AGW”? The origin of this spurious claim is a 2009 online survey of scientists by two University of Illinois professors who claimed to have found that 75 out of 77 climate scientists (yes, only 77 climate scientists!) answered yes to this question: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” The sample size is bizarrely small – more about that in a moment — and the question itself is meaningless. Most “skeptics” believe “human activity” – which includes everything from clearing forests to make way for crops to the urban heat islands created by cities – is having some impact on global temperatures. This survey tells us nothing about the real issue about which AGW advocates claim a consensus, that human emissions of greenhouse gases are causing catastrophic climate change.

Regarding the sample size … according to Lawrence Solomon, the two researchers who produced the survey deliberately left out solar scientists, space scientists, cosmologists, physicists, meteorologists, and astronomers … all scientists likely to be aware of natural causes of climate change. Only scientists employed by governments or universities were chosen to be surveyed, introducing another source of bias. Of the 10,000 or so scientists left, about 3,000 replied to the 2-minute online survey. No surprise, 82% of that unrepresentative sample answered yes to the ambiguous question. The authors then looked at a subset of just 77 scientists who participated in the survey and were successful in getting more than half their papers accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals and found that 75 of those answered “yes.” 75/77 = 97%.

This may be how sausage is made, but it is not how accurate surveys are conducted. The “97% of climate scientists” claim is garbage. Anyone who cites it ought to be ashamed.


Joseph Bast is president and CEO of The Heartland Institute.

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Peter Miller
October 2, 2012 10:51 pm

It would not be unreasonable to define the word ‘credible’.
In my book, to be credible that means it has to be someone without a vested interest in the outcome. I think that excludes just about every ‘climate scientist’, as they are almost all funded by government, or quasi-government, organisations, which means they have a strong vested interest in maintaining/promoting a situation whereby they keep their jobs and comfortable lifestyles.

MangoChutney
October 2, 2012 10:59 pm

Either they have been ineffective in communicating and persuading the public or the deniers have bigger budgets to drown out the warnings.

Or we’ve understood the available data and it doesn’t add up to catestrophic or even dangerous warming

October 2, 2012 11:21 pm

Truth market owes Joseph Bast $5000 for his “You Call This Consensus?” published in July of 201–How dumb is that to do a contest that was already won? More than a year before you have the contest?

October 2, 2012 11:41 pm

Day By Day says:
October 2, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Truth market owes Joseph Bast $5000 for his “You Call This Consensus?” published in July of 201–How dumb is that to do a contest that was already won? More than a year before you have the contest?
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Joe has to pay his $250 processing fee first.

DaveA
October 2, 2012 11:45 pm

It’s too open. They need to define what “the reality of global climate change” is and then put forward a challenge framed around that.

Garethman
October 2, 2012 11:52 pm

As a self confessed warmist I agree we really shoot ourselves in the foot with nonsense challenges like this. I could weep, I really could. If I marked such a proposal from a student I would be either seriously concerned about our teaching of various survey methodologies, or I would assume the student had not understood a word of what they had been taught. The only saving grace for me is that the response question is just as flawed, though I accept it may be tongue in cheek.

Dodgy Geezer
October 3, 2012 12:37 am

Sexton
“Holy hell? “FEE FOR PROCESSING A CHALLENGE TO THIS BOUNTY $250.00″”
I don’t know what the law is like in the US, but in the UK and Europe charging for entry like this would bring it into the legal definition of a competition. This sort of thing is tightly controlled in Europe, because it’s a common way to run a scam or an illegal lottery. So if you want to do it you have to submit a set of rules for your competition to a body like the ‘Lottery Commission’, and show that you have an independent set of invigilators and auditors so that all submissions can be tracked and any winners are not connected with the organisers in any way.
If the only rules are those shown they would fail at the first hurdle. In fact, it would already be illegal to do what they have done – advertise for money without specifying what it is that you get in return.
Interesting that they only need 20 entrants to break even…. but I recommend that someone looks up the relevant US lottery, competition and fair trading laws. Charging for entry makes this a whole new ball-game….

Allen Ford
October 3, 2012 1:04 am

It seems to me that Ms Davis is confusing the word “credible” with “plausible”, a fatal blunder for the young and naive.

Rhys Jaggar
October 3, 2012 3:38 am

Who draws up the list of CREDIBLE folks?
There is the problem: distort the electoral roll call to secure the outcome.

Vince Causey
October 3, 2012 5:10 am

I think they need to be pinned down on exactly what they mean. In the UK, it is popular to bet on the outcome of a white christmas. This is defined as at least 1 inch of snow lying on the roof of the London weather centre on Christmas day. Thus, there is an exact measure to tell us if we have won or not.
They need to define “credible scientist”. Is that based on a list of credible scientists, do they have to have a minimum qualification, have published a minimum number of peer reviewed papers. They should tell us.
They need to define what they mean by “the reality of climate change.” Do they mean only anthropogenic climate change? If so, why add the qualifier “and humans are the likely cause”? If they mean simply the belief that climate has changed, then they should be clear on this.
Next, they need to define “humans are the likely cause.” What level of probability do they mean by “likely”? >66%?, 90%?
They need to tell us.
They need to be made to define it like the white christmas bet. My bet is they won’t, because it will expose the whole thing as an exercise in constructing a straw man. However, if enough people ask, and the information is not forthcoming, or so fudged as to be meaningless, then that would be a good PR rebutal for the skeptics.

tolo4zero
October 3, 2012 7:14 am

“To win the $5,000 bounty, a campaign challenger must provide verifiable evidence that significantly less than 95% of credible American scientists believe in the reality of global climate change and that humans are a likely cause.”
This of course fails Carl Sagan’s “Baloney Detection Kit”
http://www.planetforlife.com/aboutpfl/baloney.html
“appeal to ignorance — the claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa.”
The alarmist can’t prove 95% of credible American scientists believe in the reality of global climate change and that humans are a likely cause. They have tried with their faulty surveys, but as we all know failed miserably.
So of course now they ask the skeptics to prove it’s false and if we can’t it must be true.
How about if the Vatican gives a reward to anyone who proves God doesn’t exist.
Make it a billion dollars.

john robertson
October 3, 2012 9:49 am

Maybe we misread these truthy people, the $250 entry fee puts a very different slant on their actions,is the money running out so now they must milk the gullible for all they can get?
Justthinkin. Pravda covered the CRU emails more honestly and in a far more timely fashion than CBC ,The Constantly Biased Corporation, did.

rogerknights
October 3, 2012 2:13 pm

Here’s a comment I made here almost a week ago. I think portions of it are relevant to this challenge, as I’ll discuss at the bottom:
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I think some good progress can be made in the “survey” field. Here’s what I suggest:
1. Find some sort of neutral/authoritative body to do the survey, in order to encourage participation — and by both sides. And have various pooh-bahs speak out urging members to participate.
2. Have experts in survey technique critique the proposed survey first.
3. Survey segments of scientists separately, and restrict the set of questions asked to the most pertinent ones for that group. For instance,

• Survey the 75 Believer scientists in the 97% survey, or the signers of the Copenhagen Declaration.
• Or survey the members of the committees of scientific societies that issued endorsements of AGW.
• Or survey authors of chapters in the NIPCC, and/or the curators of skeptical blog sites.
• Or survey “Fellows” (distinguished members) of scientific societies with some relation to climate.

Focusing on such small groups will make it easier to get high participation rates. It will also make it easier to get the job done, if there isn’t a lot of funding provided. IOW, each group can be surveyed in turn, which is a manageable task.
4. Avoid a do-all, too-long survey. Instead, conduct multiple surveys of the same group. One survey might ask about beliefs. (E.g., “What credence do you give to the temperature record portrayed by the hockey stick?”) Another might be a timed knowledge-test about climate-related matters. Another might be a timed test of awareness of what the each side has to say about the other side’s contentions and rebuttals. Another might be about what sort of adaptive or mitigative measures they recommend, and how practical they think such measures are.
5. Perhaps conduct follow-up interviews to flesh out the survey’s findings.
PS: Maybe the Inter-Academy Council could oversee the surveying.
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Here’s what I suggest. Survey the “Fellows” (elite 2%) of ONE scientific society. (Maybe the Am. Physics Society, with the help of ex-Fellow Will Happer to get the leadership to cooperate with the survey and encourage participation.) Being Fellows takes care of their being credible scientists.
Don’t worry about the way the question is set up to deliver a 95% or more Yes vote. (It reads, “… believe in the reality of global climate change and that humans are a likely cause.”) Let Truthmarket “win” that one. Instead, ask additional questions that put that Yes response in perspective. I.e., that make it clear that it only deals with AGW, when the real issue is CAGW. When this result is publicized, it will demolish the effectiveness of the “97% consensus” claim.
Let Truthmarket win its “challenge”–since by doing so its irrelevance and sophistry will be exposed.
Participants should be asked to participate in a follow-up survey in six months or a year, after they have read specific advocacy material submitted by both sides of the debate. If there is a shift towards a contrarian position in the second survey, that will be another win for our side.

rogerknights
October 3, 2012 2:19 pm

PS: The reading material for participants in the follow-up survey could be supplemented by access to a moderated online Q-and-A site where advocates of both positions would respond to questions posed by Fellows. And perhaps rebut the other side’s “answers.”

tolo4zero
October 3, 2012 2:49 pm

The Anderegg survey, Expert credibility in climate change, is all the proof that’s required.
Out of 1372 they found 903 convinced (66%) and 472 unconvinced (34%)
They didn’t claim the 472 were not credible but just that the 903 were more credible ( according to their criteria)
So there it stands, only 66% are convinced, 29% below the requirement to win the money.
Even Oreskes only came up with 75% agreeing with the consensus position.
The alarmists often use the statement “Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.” to prove that in fact Oreskes had 100% as none of the papers disagreed, which is of course ludicrous logic. Anderegg alone proves alarmists cannot claim 100% for the Oreskes study for the simple fact they found 34% unconvinced.

Keith Sketchley
October 3, 2012 3:03 pm

How to count the number of scientists, let alone determine who is credible? I think JamesS number is low if everyone with a scientific degree is counted – just look at stats of graduation.

rgbatduke
October 3, 2012 3:04 pm

The reason that nobody will take up their challenge is that their twinned premises are both true. They’re simply irrelevant to the question of whether or not CAGW is correct. Do over 95% of American scientists believe in the reality of climate change? They don’t even specify a time interval. I am an American Scientist and (not being an idiot) I believe that there was a hell of a real climate change at the end of the Wisconsin period of glaciation, all the way across the brief warm stretch ending at the Younger Dryas, and into the beginning of the Holocene. Add any statement you like to the conjunctive clause of this hypothesis and you won’t be able to find 5% that think that this statement is false and anything else, because the statement is true. Climate change is real. That’s what’s so insidious about it — they removed the “anthropogenic” from the term and hence made their “challenge” impossible for them to lose.
But the “anthropogenic” will naturally make its way back into the discussion the minute the “challenge” is used to push a political point of view.
The second clause is just as insidious, although not likely to be quite as universally accepted as truth. Have humans been a likely cause? Note well the emphasized word — by implication there are many causes of global climate change (as an established fact). Do any real scientists wish to assert that humans have had zero impact on global climate? How can science prove a negative, especially in the field that discovered Chaos theory and invented the term “butterfly effect”.
Every time I fart, I conceivably have an impact on global climate in a decade. That’s the way chaos works. The farther out you go, the greater the (possible) impact. I’m human, as are my farts. Consequently I must agree that their second assertion is almost certainly true, and in any event is impossible to falsify since they set no lower bound on what constitutes a cause (one out of many) and to make it even more ridiculous, slip the word “likely” in. That means I don’t even have to think that human activity has had an impact, I just have to think that there is some reasonable chance that it has had an impact, where the impact could be positive or negative, anything but zero, no limitations on magnitude.
If there were a hope of winning the challenge the way it is framed, I’d spot the $250 on the chance to win the $5000 on the basis of all sorts of studies, but as it is the two statements are undeniably true. And they only need one of the two to be true even then to deny you the money! So even if you think human haven’t had any impact, and think you could find 5% or more American scientists who agree, you’d still fail because, hey, we’re in the interglacial of an ice age. The Holocene is happening. Global climate change is real, and indeed never stops.
It’s Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming caused specifically by Anthropogenic CO_2 as a greenhouse gas that not even 95% of actual climate scientists agree with. But they didn’t issue a challenge there, did they? Oooo, they’re wily…
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October 3, 2012 8:28 pm

There are a lot of comments that I haven’t read, so this may have already been mentioned, but since when does truth depend on the number of people who believe it? Doesn’t it only take one scientist with evidence to be right? Isn’t “consensus” a political term and not a scientific term? Isn’t skepticism valued in science? Did something happen to the scientific method that I was taught in my grade school days?

David Ball
October 3, 2012 9:30 pm

patriotpilgrim says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Search the phrase Post-Normal Science on the home page of this website. You will read arguments for and against by people more educated on the subject than I.

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