By Viv Forbes
A scheming cabal of green bureaucrats, academics and corporate speculators is trying to scare us into a mess of energy taxes, subsidies and rationing in order to combat what they call “catastrophic man-made global warming”.
Climate alarmists speculate that if the level of harmless carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is doubled (which may or may not happen in a century or so), world temperature may be one or two degrees warmer than it would have otherwise been.
The proposition that this mild warming, if it occurs, would be “catastrophic” is so laughable that they had to invent “positive feedbacks” to multiply this scare to maybe six degrees in a century. However the emerging evidence, and Earth’s past history, show that feedbacks are negative – the vast oceans tend to stabilise warming temperatures so that even the two degree forecast is probably excessive.
In many places in Australia, temperature rises about sixteen degrees from dawn to mid-afternoon – over say eight hours, or two degrees per hour. So people who can cope with a daily warming of 16 degrees over 8 hours are supposed to panic about a fudged forecast of two degrees over a century – about the warming we feel in just one hour every morning. Even less “frightening” is the less than one degree of warming that has occurred over the last 200 years.
Why worry about warming anyhow?
The world has never suffered “runaway global warming” even when carbon dioxide levels were far above those of today. But it does suffer regular ice ages. It is not warmth that causes hardship and mass extinctions – it is the deathly grip of ice. The Little Ice Age that ended just 150 years ago was a time of failed crops, abandoned farms, advancing glaciers and famines. Even in modern times, there are more deaths caused by winter cold snaps than by summer heat waves. And those people free to move (tourists and retirees) always flock to warm places like Florida, Bali and the Riviera, not to frigid climes like Siberia, Alaska or Antarctica.
Moreover, more warmth always causes extra evaporation from lakes and oceans. What goes up, must form clouds and come down somewhere as extra precipitation. And if there is more carbon dioxide and water in the atmosphere, plants will grow better. Why do we need carbon taxes and ration cards to protect us from a warm moist climate with more luxuriant plant life?
The whole climate scam is just a smoke screen to hide the UN inspired grab for more taxes and more power.
Viv Forbes,
Rosewood Qld Australia
I am happy for my email address to be published.
stefanthedenier,
The MWP was generally a global event, as confirmed by ice core evidence from both hemispheres, and numerous other proxies.
Tom Curtis says:
September 30, 2012 at 6:06 pm
“A scheming cabal of green bureaucrats, academics and corporate speculators is trying to scare us into a mess of energy taxes, subsidies and rationing in order to combat what they call “catastrophic man-made global warming”.”
Are you all so certain there is no connection between rejection of the science of global warming, and a fondness for conspiracy theories? Given the vehemence of your response to Lewandowsky et al, 2012, you sure seem fond of posting conspiracy theories.
Tim says:
Are you another of the Crusher Crew trolls?
Scheming cabal of green bureaucrats trying to scare us in to energy taxes, subsisdies and rationing? Sorry that is not a conspiracy theory. I wish it was. Green bureaucrats are already doing it. Academics? Sorry, really sorry, at least some seem to be doing it already to. Corporate speculators? Sorry, really really sorry, there are some of those involved aready too.
I really wish it was just a conspiracy theory at this point. Taxes would be lower, energy would be cheaper, and trolls like you wouldn’t be caught up in helping them. Sad day. I really really really wish you were right, but just like all of the other trolls you’re just a trollin.
Help. Post gone again.
[Rescued and posted. Using the word ‘conspiracy’ automatically shunts a comment to the spam folder. It’s a WordPress thing. — mod.]
As a fellow south east Queenslander I can say I have never understood the European fear of a bit of warm weather – where I live we already have more than the proposed 2 degree C average increase that seems to terrify Europeans.
As a coastal resident of Caloundra I can also vouch that whilst Caloundra rarely exceeds 29 – 30 degrees C Rosewood can be quite a bit warmer as it is inland.
For interest – Brisbane Qld has an “average” temperature of ~21 degrees C – Av Max + Av Min/2
Get used to it – we had to when our ancestors moved from Scotland England etc to the sub-tropics.
Tom Curtis may be unaware of the roughly half billion dollar loss to the taxpayers due to the * Solyndra (but WINDFALL to the ‘green energy’ speculators) because of the foolish public policy being recommended by academics et al for renewables?
The connection being something like this Academics—Govt Bureaucrats—-Crony Green Co’s
Not a conspiracy, but a clear, clean linkage (where is poster follow-the-money when one needs him/her?).
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* Solyndra Shutdown and FBI and Treasury Dept investigations
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Tim Walker says: ”The Australian economy has just recovered from a series of massive floods in one year. The floods took 2% off the GDP”
Tim, you are WRONG!.It took 2% + from GDP, because of ”senator Brown’s Water Embargo on Australia” Since 82, dam was built no more. Australia is the driest continent – surrounded by the biggest mass of water on the planet / but is the driest. Dams prevent flooding, dams attract regular clouds from the sea – dams improve the climate – dams produce hydro-electricity.
Instead of building dams, to keep water for dry days – in Australia storm-water must be flushed into the sea during storms – reason clouds avoid Australia as cars around traffic island. When finally clouds get in – drop the rain = floods; because dead soil doesn’t absorb and retain water. Tim, water is life. You want to learn the truth: http://globalwarmingdenier.wordpress.com/5floods-droughts-we-dont-need-to-have/
Who needs a conspirayc theory when you’ve got groupthink?
http://drtimball.com/2012/classic-groupthink-behavior-apparently-exposed-in-leaked-cru-emails-2/
“This is very simple Kindy maths that a competent 5 year old can understand, so why have we got such stupid donkeys running our countries?”
Maybe because elephants mis-remember how many houses and Rolls Royce they own. When the country is about to go off a financial precipice, instead of picking a Mr. Fix-it businessman to share their executive branch plans, an ill prepared rookie (non toxic tax returns) is chosen instead?
Elephants find it very difficult to turn their heads far enough to look at their own selves.
Gail Combs is great at showing financial connections. Have not seen her post for a while. Hope she is ok.
What is the ideal average temperature for planet Earth? What is the ideal water level in the oceans? What is the ideal amount of ice at the poles and in mountain glaciers? What is the ideal rainfall? Should we attempt to return all aspects of the environment of Earth to the way it was in 1750 or 1850 or 1950 or maintain it exactly the way it is today. Is it imperative to protect all current species in the wild just as they are now, or to return them to the way they were in balance at some point in the past? Never mind that all of these things from temperatures to species have changed constantly through the 4.5 billion years of history. Ice ages have come and gone and thousands of species develop and die off with each climatic shift.
The global warming alarmist, I think , want to ignore or pretend there are no natural changes but to them any changes that occur must be the result of our civilization and be regarded as totally unacceptable. The alarmists greatly exagerate the effects of our civilization as they totally ignore the natural variations.
I simply wish they could relax and enjoy our wonderful civilization and our spectacular natural environment and the natural flow of weather and climate.
GEEZZZ Stefan what are you talking about? Can you understand simple english? I am not making a case for reducing co2 emissions, just pointing out it is an impossibility anyway.
The mitigation of AGW by the OECD countries is the greatest fraud and con in the last 100 years.
Simple maths shows it can’t be done, it is a fraud and a con, just a way of wasting billions dollars for a zero return. Understand me now?
Lazy Teenager, there was a short-term hit to the economy following the Queensland floods – no question. There was widespread flood damage.
What you neglect to mention is that there will be at least five bumper years to follow. The dams are full for the first time in many years, the aquifers have been replenished, the soil has been soaked way down deep, allowing deep rooted trees etc to stock up on nutrients and grow, the creeks and rivers have been flushed and the fish are thriving, a lot of infrastructure which was poor quality or past its use-by date has been replaced, farmers and graziers are having great seasons, and so on.
Extremes of drought and flood are part of the climate cycle in Queensland and across much of Australia, and have been as far back as records exist. Nothing to do with CO2. Get over it.
D Böehm says: ”stefanthedenier, The MWP was generally a global event, as confirmed by ice core evidence from both hemispheres, and numerous other proxies”
.D Böehm, the ”proxy data” is much bigger crap, than what comes from IPCC now. Because they were not scrutinized.
”Ice Core”?! Boehm, ice on Greenland, Antarctic is melted up to 2m a year, from below, by the geothermal heat – similar amount is added on the top, by freeze-drying the moisture from the air. Because the shonks see that is no rain and snow on Antarctic, presume that ice is 500000 y old. Read the post i recommended in that comment above, then comment. Because, I know what you know, but obviously you don’t know what I know – therefore, I have unfair advantage on you. Be fair to yourself, Those outdated pagan ”proxy” beliefs you are quoting, are the precursor of the today’s lunacy. Skeptic’s smelly skeletons in their closet are the life-support to the Warmist – otherwise the Warmist would have collapsed in few months.. don’t be scared from real proofs
stefanthedenier says:
Tim Walker says: ”The Australian economy has just recovered from a series of massive floods in one year. The floods took 2% off the GDP”
Actually, Stephan. I think you will find that Tim was quoting LazyTeenager… so hard to keep track 😉
stefanthedenier says:
“I know what you know, but obviously you don’t know what I know – therefore, I have unfair advantage on you.”
Could you possibly be any more insufferable?
FYI, ice core evidence is accepted by both sides of the debate. And there is ample evidence verifying that the MWP was a global event. You could start learning about it here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/04/jo-nova-finds-the-medieval-warm-period
To Tom Curtis
sept 30 6:06pm
There is the old laugh line — Even paranoids can have real enemies.
Carbon taxes that don’t diminish CO2 output but do redistribute wealth and create huge fees for “brokers”?
Academic papers on wide ranging subjects that all contain a bow to global warming?
Socialists who we know scheme for bigger government as the solution to every problem advocating for the reality of global warming?
So let me see — there is not a social movement to advance the global warming agenda of a “mess of energy taxes, subsidies and rationing”? We really don’t see a liberal media that advances global warming in its headlines and won’t even allow a dissenting voice on its back pages? Look what happened after Anthony Watts’ short interview on the BBC. No more dissent will be heard there!
“A rejection of the science of global warming”? “Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.” By that definition I am forced to ask — what science of global warming? There seems to be damn little of it. (I must laugh and point out that the modelers no longer say that their models make predictions but rather they say that they produce projections — thus removing their models from the province of science.) Is cherry picking your data science? Is refusing to provide your data so your work can be examined and replicated science? Is pal-review science? — Let me ask you a question — do you think that the hockey stick is science? “Cabal” is your smear word but is the “hockey team” a cabal? Seems damn close to it.
Enough of this. My verbal urges have been satisfied for the night.
Eugene WR Gallun
Most teenagers aren’t very bright and the lazy ones even less so.
Farmers and botanists around the northern hemisphere would save billions on the cost of building, maintaining and heating greenhouses to simulate the warm and moist artificial environments used for Greenhouse & Hydroponic production of fruit and vegetables.
in 1995 a few hundred people dies in Chicago as the result of a heat wave. Mostly the elderly and the very young. So warmer and moister is not a good thing for everyone. A simple look at what a 2C increase in temperature would mean in terms of excess deaths is pretty instructive. Of course UHI makes it worse. In a warming world it’s pretty easy to find some winners and some losers.
If folks want to doubt the danger of heat waves they are of course free to do so. But the elected officials in many US and foriegn cities already have warning systems in place, because they are actually accountable for their beliefs.
AndyG55 says:
September 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Tim says:
Thanks Andy.
Mosh.
If there is CHEAP, RELIABLE electricity, and air conditioning available, there is no need for even the elderly to suffer when it gets a bit warm. Anything that makes electricity un-necessarily expensive, or unreliable, is against all tenets of decent society.
In a modern society, electricity cost and supply SHOULD NEVER be an issue, but the green and renewable schemes are adding large amounts to bills. For no reasonable purpose !
I dread what will happen in the northern winters over the next few years if there is a temperature down turn. And I hope the people who have driven their countries to their current situations of excessive electricity cost and unreliablity are held fully accountable.
To Jim
sept 30, 6:17
To keep the laughs going — Inflation is called the hidden tax — so we replace a delayed tax with a hidden tax. Sadly this is exactly what Obama is doing. Inflation is coming back — with a vengence.
Eugene WR Gallun.
Steven Mosher,
Cold kills many more than warmth. Fact.
@Stefan
Yes, we should have built more dams down here,
The second dam in SEQld, the dam on the Mitchell River in Victoria, and Welcome Reef south of Sydney should all have been built. But you need to realise that there are issues with the landscape. Most normal rain in Australia falls very much on the east coast strip, and the narrow coastal strip is actually quite flat and not suitable for dams. Take Sydney for instance. The main dam is Warragamba, which is in the east escarpment of the Blue mountains. The catchment area for this dam has HALF the annual average rainfall of Sydney. Yet most of Sydney’s rainfall goes straight out to sea.
What I’m saying is that land suitable for dams is not always in the high rainfall areas. and in general the high rainfall areas are not suitable for dams.
We also have the issue that Australia has essentially the most variable rainfall in the world, these big storms are generally pretty far apart time-wise, so very large storage is required for long term NATURAL drought periods.
SEQld has the problem that it needs 3-4 times the storage capacity it currently has, if the dams are to be used for both flood mitigation AND water supply (opposite purposes, a full dam has zero flood mitigation).
Melbourne has similar shortfalls in storage capacity, Thompson Dam is not big enough for long term drought security, they SHOULD have built the one on the Mitchell ages ago.
Even in Newcastle (north of Sydney) we don’t really have enough storage to cope with a long drought, Tillegra or similar needs building at some stage in the not too distance future. .
If only the Greens would get out the way and let PROGRESS happen.
I know the outdoor pot growers in B.C. are loving the increase in Co2. An increased growing season and,……. what were we talking about?