By Viv Forbes
A scheming cabal of green bureaucrats, academics and corporate speculators is trying to scare us into a mess of energy taxes, subsidies and rationing in order to combat what they call “catastrophic man-made global warming”.
Climate alarmists speculate that if the level of harmless carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is doubled (which may or may not happen in a century or so), world temperature may be one or two degrees warmer than it would have otherwise been.
The proposition that this mild warming, if it occurs, would be “catastrophic” is so laughable that they had to invent “positive feedbacks” to multiply this scare to maybe six degrees in a century. However the emerging evidence, and Earth’s past history, show that feedbacks are negative – the vast oceans tend to stabilise warming temperatures so that even the two degree forecast is probably excessive.
In many places in Australia, temperature rises about sixteen degrees from dawn to mid-afternoon – over say eight hours, or two degrees per hour. So people who can cope with a daily warming of 16 degrees over 8 hours are supposed to panic about a fudged forecast of two degrees over a century – about the warming we feel in just one hour every morning. Even less “frightening” is the less than one degree of warming that has occurred over the last 200 years.
Why worry about warming anyhow?
The world has never suffered “runaway global warming” even when carbon dioxide levels were far above those of today. But it does suffer regular ice ages. It is not warmth that causes hardship and mass extinctions – it is the deathly grip of ice. The Little Ice Age that ended just 150 years ago was a time of failed crops, abandoned farms, advancing glaciers and famines. Even in modern times, there are more deaths caused by winter cold snaps than by summer heat waves. And those people free to move (tourists and retirees) always flock to warm places like Florida, Bali and the Riviera, not to frigid climes like Siberia, Alaska or Antarctica.
Moreover, more warmth always causes extra evaporation from lakes and oceans. What goes up, must form clouds and come down somewhere as extra precipitation. And if there is more carbon dioxide and water in the atmosphere, plants will grow better. Why do we need carbon taxes and ration cards to protect us from a warm moist climate with more luxuriant plant life?
The whole climate scam is just a smoke screen to hide the UN inspired grab for more taxes and more power.
Viv Forbes,
Rosewood Qld Australia
I am happy for my email address to be published.
Viv, Viv, Viv darling. You just don’t understand cup cakes. It’s about selling an idea (ideology). This is what it’s all about. Ignore suicidal greenhouse growers pumping in 1,000 ppm into their cherished greenhouses and crops. Ignore excess winter deaths in the UK. Ignore the Roman Warm Period when empires flourished. Ignore the opportunist Eric the Red in Greenland. Once you have learned to ignore (dare I say deny???) these things then the science is settled and we can carry on establishing the new Harold Camingesque religion. It’s all about that rapture moment.
@ur momisugly pat says:
September 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Politicians seem particularly gullible. As if they are genetically defective.
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“As if” ? That’s a good one. LOL.
That was a low blow, Viv, bringing in Bali. You KNOW they like to party in Bali! 50,000 of ’em (do I remember that right? seems impossible) – by jet plane. If there were any who arrived by sailboat, I don’t recall hearing of it. Do you suppose, just maybe, that they don’t believe the stories they’re tellin’?
Y’all should brush up on your Thomas Hobbes. “Bellum omnium contra omnes”. And the only way to prevent such is to surrender your liberty for peace.
@Lazy
“Sure, but where does it come down? The Australian economy has just recovered from a series of massive floods in one year. The floods took 2% off the GDP.:
Gees you need to do some research before you spout off. These storms/floods occur pretty regularly (on approximately a 40 year cycle in Australia (do some research on floods in Qld., last major one was 1974 iirc, and was very similar in size.) They are NOTHING UNUSUAL !!!
That is the Australian climate, that’s what it does……
periods of drought, with deluges for a couple of years at the end of each period…..
and NOTHING has happened to change that climate.
Another thing Lazy seems to forget that taxes in the “rich” EU countries are already criminally high. In the meantime governments like in Germany have introduced a lot of additional taxes (the price for coffee, for example, in Germany is more than 50% taxes, same for gasoline in both Germany and Austria.) Plus at the same time they also kept increasing the overall spending. Where do you think our national debts come from?
In Austria the government has the highest tax income in history and our national debt still went from 70% of the GDP in 2010 to 80% in 2011. The Germans have crossed the 2 trillion Euro line already and they keep going up. Heck, in the past 40 years Germany had an even budget (income = expenses) once. The other 39 years always saw higher spending and a growing debt, despite insanely high taxes.
And yes, France is hitting the 75%. With that they’ll kill their economy. Everyone who can afford it with shovel his money out of the country. Companies that can afford it will leave France and the companies that can’t, well, they will do what Spain’s “green” energy has done: go belly up, which will then prompt the EU to get involved, led by “brave” neo-fascist His Royal Highness the Grand Commissar of the EUSSR José Manuel Barroso. Which means, we can get ready to bail out France.
@lazy teenager
“The trend under all governments, both left and right, over the last 25 years has been reduced taxes.”
not true in the UK. as a % of national income, government spending (taxes) has risen under both right and left.
“Sure, but the same amount of fall in average temperatures would bring on the ice age. Saying a rise of that amount has no effect is not physically consistent.”
that’s true enough. both sides of the argument should stop conflating short and long term trends.
Lazy Teenager,
Perhaps if you weren’t so “lazy” you might realize that the floods in Qld are a regular event, virtually identical to those in 1973 as but one example going back to the 1800’s. Also of note is that these floods were made markedly worse by CAGW alarmism, which caused dams meant for flood mitigation to be held at levels above the point where they could do anything more than release water more rapidly to further exacerbate the problem.
You also ignore the fact that cyclone frequency below the Tropic of Capricorn has actually reduced markedly from the 1970’s onwards, in total contrast to CAGW theory. Australia is and has always been a “sunburnt country”, a land of “droughts and flooding rains”, has been so since the First Fleet in 1788, who nearly perished due to a decade long drought shortly after they arrived which made farming land untillable even on an alluvial plain along the coastal strip in the most moderate climate our continent has to offer.
So by all means ignore history, after all it is the only way you can make baseless assertions and draw conclusions which would otherwise be unjustified.
i e-mailed this to Viv.
YES! The whole course of government in the last fifty years has been
to grab more taxes and power over the people. A simple examination of
budget sizes and the growth in the sheer number of laws and regulations
makes that a no-brainer.
In the past taxes and laws and regulations have been piled on us with the
intention of doing “good” for the country. The advocates for such were
misguided fools but not malicious.
That is not the case with global warming. The people who advocate this
have no good intentions for America. They advocate global warming
because they know the taxes and laws and regulation they want to
implement to fight global warming will destroy this country.
So we are no longer fighting fools — we are fighting people who hate this
country and wish to see it destroyed. Global warming is their weapon.
My opinion about this was formed by attending a number of “green rallies”
and listening to the hate for America that was constantly bubbling up in
the crowd and among the speakers. You hear it from their own mouths.
Eugene WR Gallun
‘The world has never suffered “runaway global warming” even when carbon dioxide levels were far above those of today.’
And that is a very good point. Why is that I wonder?
Poor old Lazy, suddenly finds questions he can’t answer. Here’s a hint lazy old mate, USA emissions are heading back to 1990 levels but non OECD emissions are soaring.
Get on the next flight to China, India etc and demonstrate your concern, I’m sure they’ll be sympathetic to your cause and treat you with kid gloves. NOT.
But take heart Lazy you will wake up to yourself one day, let’s just hope that it’s sooner rather than later.
LazyTeenager says:
September 30, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Moreover, more warmth always causes extra evaporation from lakes and oceans. What goes up, must form clouds and come down somewhere as extra precipitation.
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Sure, but where does it come down? The Australian economy has just recovered from a series of massive floods in one year. The floods took 2% off the GDP.
Much earlier a Robert W and Rob Honeycutt said the following:
“Badgersouth and I were just discussing the potential of setting up a coordinated “Crusher Crew” where we could pull our collective time and knowledge together in order to pounce on overly vocal deniers on various comments sections of blogs and news articles.” – Rob Honeycutt [Skeptical Science], February 11, 2011
“May I suggest first on our list as being the *#1 Science Blog* “Watts up with that”? They get a few people come there to engage from time to time but rarely a coordinated effort.” – Robert W. [Skeptical Science], February 11, 2011
So Lazy Teenager are you one of the Crusher Crew trolls? It looks like others pointed out your errors. Seems like everytime I see you post it is the same lack of intelictual integrity on your part or just a lack of knowledge. Too bad you don’t seem to learn the truth.
The last four of my comments have failed to post. What is going on?
[Reply: Found one in the spam folder and posted it. Don’t know about the others. — mod.]
Eugene WR Gallun,
Yes, the Left is driven by hatred. It is the one motivation shared by all of them. They blame others for their personal failings, when the fault is almost always theirs alone.
People with a sense of fulfillment think the world is good, while the frustrated blame the world for their failure.
~ Eric Hoffer
They are each individually frustrated losers. But together they are a serious threat.
Neville. says:”So tell us lazy teenager, how would you reduce co2 emissions? ”
Neville, you should answer: why reducing CO2?! If you have been brainwashed that: 150y ago was the best amount of CO2 for the trees and crops – it doesn’t mean that; the trees / crops should be denied extra CO2 that they desperately need. Blaming CO2 & water vapor – but calling themselves green, is the biggest stupidity. Not, how to reduce CO2, BUT WHY?! Stop using Hansen’s brains, start using your own. Carbon molesters like you, don’t know that: their bodies are 23-25% made from carbon. 2] if you burn a 5 ton tree. – only 0,5kg ash left, all the rest H2O +CO2 gone in smoke. Same goes for the food you eat. reducing CO2 would be a crime!…
LazyTeenager says:
September 30, 2012 at 4:24 pm
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What’s with the strawmen?
Nobody said it would have no effect. What they said is that it wouldn’t do any harm.
Another really stupid idea:
http://www.space.com/17830-asteroid-dust-geoenineering-global-warming.html
Some idiot in an ivory tower wants to explode an asteroid to create a dust cloud that will ‘shade’ the Earth. As if they know what they are doing.
Another alias.
LazyTeenager says:
September 30, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The whole climate scam is just a smoke screen to hide the UN inspired grab for more taxes and more power.
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Utter BS. The trend under all governments, both left and right, over the last 25 years has been reduced taxes.
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For some strange reason, you seem to believe that your point is not only responsive to the intial claim, but actually refutes it.
Of course you are also confusing tax rates with taxes. Liberals often confuse the two, usually on purpose.
A BUDGET DEFICIT IS REALLY A “DELAYED TAX”.
By the way — a budget deficit is really a “delayed tax”. The taxpayer has to pay for it sometime. If you really want to figure out the true tax burden placed on the people year by year you need to add together the collected taxes and the budget deficit.
By that correct standard under Obama our taxes have risen faster and higher than at any time in the past.
Eugene WR Gallun
“A scheming cabal of green bureaucrats, academics and corporate speculators is trying to scare us into a mess of energy taxes, subsidies and rationing in order to combat what they call “catastrophic man-made global warming”.”
Are you all so certain there is no connection between rejection of the science of global warming, and a fondness for conspiracy theories? Given the vehemence of your response to Lewandowsky et al, 2012, you sure seem fond of posting conspiracy theories.
Tom Curtis says:
September 30, 2012 at 6:06 pm
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Since when is reality, a conspiracy theory?
Tom Curtis,
Every word in the statement you quoted is factual.
Now I will explain to you why the “carbon” scare is a false alarm:
We will begin with a LONG time period; about three and a half centuries. Let’s look at the trend:
http://i35.tinypic.com/2db1d89.jpg
As we see, the long term trend is the same, whether CO2 is low or high. That is verified in this Wood For Trees chart. The naturally rising global temperature since the LIA has remained within its long term parameters. There is no acceleration in global warming; it is on the same trend line that it was on before the start of the industrial revolution, thus falsifying the CO2=CAGW conjecture. (CAGW = ‘catastrophic anthropogenic global warming’.)
The scientific fact that CO2 has no measurable effect on global temperature is confirmed here. Notice that the two warming episodes — again, one when CO2 was low, and the other when CO2 was high — shows conclusively that any effect from CO2 is so minuscule that it is not even measurable, since the rising temperature trends are exactly the same.
Empirical measurements also show conclusively that CO2 follows temperature on all time scales, from decades to hundreds of millennia. That proves that the alarmist crowd has cause and effect reversed. Temperature changes cause CO2 changes, not vice-versa. There is no empirical, testable scientific evidence showing that rising CO2 causes rising temperatures. That false belief is based on an entirely coincidental and short-term correlation, which is now breaking down. There has been no global warming for 15 years, while CO2 has risen steadily.
Finally, the planet is starved of harmless, beneficial CO2. More is better. With added CO2 the biosphere will thrive, and there will be no global harm or damage. The “carbon” scare is a false alarm.
Using verifiable scientific facts, it is demonstrated above that CO2 has no measurable effect on temperature. None. The reason that the alarmist contingent cannot get anything right is because they are fixated on the false and disproven presumption that CO2 drives temperature — when, in fact, exactly the opposite is true.
Jimbo says: ” Ignore the Roman Warm Period when empires flourished. Ignore the opportunist Eric the Red in Greenland”
Jimbo, your heart in on the correct place. but your head is in outdated paganist cloud. Roman period was ”MILDER” climate around Mediterranean – wasn’t GLOBAL warming! You want details:
http://globalwarmingdenier.wordpress.com/2012/08/25/skeptics-stinky-skeletons-from-their-closet/
The ”Skeptics” will never win against Warmist lies; by telling bigger lies of their own. please, read that post, if you want the Warmist to take you seriously. Ian Plimer’s lies (which you are parroting) are giving oxygen to the Warmist. Cheers!
Yes, but we can ‘inflate away’ that owed debt don’t you know * …
/partial sarc
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(* Your cue to list who that hurts financially, how that affects savings, bond yields, etc.)
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Hoser says
sept 30 6:04pm
GREEN POVERTY
Wow, man! You nailed it. BUMPER STICKER!
Eugene WR Gallun