I posted this on the Daily Lew Issue 5 as an update, but I decided it was so telling of the state of mind for the SkS crowd that it needed its own separate post. This also happens to be post 7000 on WUWT.
I had pretty much ignored the SkS forum dump when it was happening, thinking that perhaps they were being treated unfairly, but since John Cook has gone a bridge too far now with this Lewandowsky “moon landing survey” mess and his association with it, I no longer feel the need to hold back on what is going on behind the scenes over there.
Here is Glenn Tamblyn (Skeptical Science author/moderator) secretly conversing with his SkS pals on their off limits forum and saying “we need a conspiracy to save humanity”. The Viet Cong comparison is a nice touch too. There’s talk of convening a “war council” too.
And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.
Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.
..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.
[As quoted by Geoff Chambers in this Bishop Hill thread. http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/3/26/opengate-josh-158.html?currentPage=2#comments ]
Yet climate skeptics are being painted as conspiracy theory nutters by the very same people who say “a conspiracy to save humanity” is needed.
Gleick was fighting with “Queensberry Rules” when he assumed a fake identity and stole documents from Heartland?
Riiiight.
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For the excitable people that get upset about such things as this post, it is worth pointing out that the SkS “secret” forum was left wide open, and Cook blames himself No hack or ‘Gleick Queensberryness’ was needed, also from BH by poster David who captured this SkS announcement on 23 February 2012 by Cook himself:
Got an email from Brian P this morning saying that the whole forum was publicly available to him, even when he wasn’t logged in. I checked and this was true.A little panicky, I investigated and worked out that all the permission levels of each forum had been set down to zero. Normally, they’re set so only authors can access most of them, except the translator forum is also accessible to translators. Strangely though, there is an admin forum that only admins can access and that wasn’t set to zero – it was still set so only admins can access it.
I have no idea how this happened. Several possibilities come to mind. First, I did it by accident when I was screwing around with the database sometime. Someone with admin access (there are about half a dozen SkSers with this access) made the change. Or we were hacked in some way and the hacker changed the levels. None of the options seem likely to me but the most likely is human error on my part although the fact that the admin forum was still set at admin level belies some kind of blanket wiping of all levels.
So I’m a little freaked out – it’s not knowing how this happened that has me most worried. Has anyone been looking at the forum and how long has this been available? But I’ve been procrastinating some of those security measures that have been suggested to me and as soon as I get to work this morning, am going to implement some of those measures.
UPDATE: It gets worse.
Steve McIntyre points out the wholesale deletion of over 50 of Tom Fuller’s comments at Lewandowsky’s blog today (after they had been in place for days) and made this comment:
Steve McIntyre: Posted Sep 15, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Re: Iain McQueen (Sep 15 13:28),
In the secret SkS forum, a member of the SkS squadron stated that “McIntyre must go down”. In another post, another SkS squadron member fantasized about ripping out Watts’ throat as follows:
Sometimes you just want to let loose and scream about how you want to take those motherfucking arseholes, those closed-minded bigotted genocidal pieces of regurgitated dog shit and do unspeakable violence to their bodies and souls for what they are doing to the safety of what and who we all hold dear. (Ain’t a lack of a moderation policy a cleansing and liberating thing?)…
Work out what you are best suited too and do that. But be able to distance yourself enough from your personal reactions to also see the bigger picture of the entire war and contribute to framing that broad campaign – “We need to focus on this and this and this. But my personal contribution will be to ripe Anthony Watts’ throat out – metaphorically of course.”
Such nice people, those SkS authors, contributors, and moderators.
Frederick Davies says:
September 15, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I hope someone is keeping a record of all this; when sociologists start writing papers about The Great Global Warming Conspiracy, they will need details as to how the movement self-destructed in puclic 😉
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I wonder if Ms Detroiter will amend her little presentation on blogs to include this?
“Morph says:
September 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Does anyone know who / how / why funds SKS and how Mr Cook earns a living from it ?”
Mr Cook has his snout in the CAGW trough funded by the long suffering Taxpayers of the state of Queensland, Australia.
http://www.gci.uq.edu.au/AboutUs/OurStories/MrJohnCook.aspx
The newly elected Queensland Government has announced 14,000 job cuts for Public Service in a desperate attempt to bring spending in line with revenue, after over a decade of decadent spending by the Warmist loving, Labour Party. The former Government leader’s husband was on $600,000+ annual salary as the head of the climate change department.
Mr Cook is so rusted onto the hoax, he is liable to keep his position, while nurses, fireman and police lose their jobs over the excesses of the climate scam spending in Queensland.
I wonder if Ms Detroit will amend her presentation on blogs to include this?
(Mods, I put this up a moment ago but it disappeared. If it shows up, feel free to delete this one.)
The “Lew” got a grant from the government of West Australia amounting to 1.7 million dollars, or something like that. This is something for the taxpayers of West Australia to look into. Vote accordingly. Meanwhile I’m busy in the USA griping about my tax dollars being used to fund Hansen and “Real Climate.”
Guys it will get worse. If Obama is voted out they’ll get desperate. If Obama is retained they’ll lobby government to “restrain” the skeptics via censorship. It supports their cause to have a world wide depression as such a depression will greatly reduce CO2 emissions, so they’ll lobby for government controls that increase / ensure such a depression. We live in interesting times!
As the Jerry Moonbeam Democreats.
DirkH says:
September 16, 2012 at 3:13 am
It’s my Naval history. I do have more than invective in my armory but when something bites….
I am a little late to this party, but isn’t this just a modern day version of “We have to destroy the village in order to save it” Vietnam War mentality. They can’t even get analogies correct, and they expect us to think they actually understand something as complex as the climate?
richardscourtney says:
September 15, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Friends:
Please do not lose sight of the important fact; i.e.
the AGW-scaremongers know they have lost.
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It’s true that the discussion from the alarmist side has long ceased to be about science and has become mostly PR based.
But I also think the majority of those foot soldiers who comment at SkS do not really know that. They have never looked into the matter closely, in many cases because they don’t understand it. They have been thoroughly brainwashed by the massive flood of alarmism in the news for the last decade or so. The reason they act the way they do is that they are completely convinced they are on a mission to save the world from the ravages of CO2. Their behaviour makes sense only from that assumption. Feelings of heroism are extremely exhilarating, and if they perceive their mission as sufficiently noble, its accomplishment will override all ethical considerations. You need to keep in mind they view themselves as saviors. What mission can be more noble than saving the world?
The professional purveyors of this these ideas are probably not so innocent, but even they can easily find ways to justify their behavior. When your livelihood is on the line, ethical considerations become very elastic. Even if the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly on the side of skepticism, once these things get institutionalized, they are extremely hard to erradicate. This may well continue for decades. As climate change professor and professional alarmist Mike Hulme has so candidly said, climate change from their perspective is not primarily about science at all; he views it as an inexhaustible source of useful “narratives” to promote whatever you want. Paraphrasing Kennedy, Hulme writes quite casually: “The idea of climate change should be seen as an intellectual resource around which our collective and personal identities and projects can form and take shape. We need to ask not what we can do for climate change, but to ask what climate change can do for us.”
J Martin:
You seem to have missed the main point of my post at September 15, 2012 at 4:40 pm. That main point was
MODERATORS: I HAVE MADE A POST WHICH – FOR SOME REASON – IS VERY WRONGLY FORMATTED. PLEASE REPLACE IT WITH THIS WHICH IS (HOPEFULLY) A CORRECTED VERSION. RICHARD
J Martin:
You seem to have missed the main point of my post at September 15, 2012 at 4:40 pm. That main point was
You reply to that at September 16, 2012 at 3:00 am where you quote the first sentence of my post: that sentence said
And you reply starting by saying
The rants in the SkS secret forum do clearly indicate that the ranting people know they have lost and are desperate to retrieve the situation (unless you can think of an alternative understanding of the rants).
And you seem to have only read the first sentence of my post so you missed this important part
(emphasis added: RSC)
Richard
Political Junkie says: September 15, 2012 at 3:08 pm
“Excerpt from Glenn Tamblyn’s touching letter to Phil Jones:
“…Warmth, happiness and gratitude to you, your family and colleagues.”
Apart from the desire to stick my finger down my throat, did anyone else think it odd that someone would wish Jones “warmth”? 🙂
The rhetoric out of the pro-CAGW camp is becoming increasingly violent. Since their faculty of logic has failed their only persuasion will be at the point of a gun, if they get their way. Or perhaps they’d rather use napalm and carpet bombing for their final solution to the “denier” problem?
How is this guy going to run a conspiracy? He doesn’t even know what “belies” means.
DirkH says:
September 16, 2012 at 3:13 am
you are quite right! But on the other hand, if one were to be confronted ‘face to face’ with such ignorance, bigtry and blind stupidity – one would be hard pushed to refrain from punching their damned lights out! Sometimes, the only way to fight fire, is with fire!
to be absolutely fair, these comments may simply be from a minority of the ‘alarmist’ camp – jeez, I really hope so – but if it is a true reflection of the wider attitude, then we really do have a problem (or rather they do – as they simply cannot face reality!)
Time withers foolish ideas.
jorgekafkazar says:
September 15, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Anthony Watts says: “Reply to J. Peterson: there is no secret forum on WUWT”
Oh, dang. Next you’ll tell us there’s no secret handshake, either. And what about badges? Can we have badges?
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I feel like Roger Rabbit and the knock knock joke. I can’t resist……..
“Badges, We dohn need no stinkin badges”
We do have an infiltrator in their ranks. We have our super spy “Kenji the wonder dog” on their tail. Wait till they find out that’s how we get all of our detailed information on them.
I wouldn’t pretend that their violent rhetoric is merely “metaphorical”. Look at the violence in those words. I’ve NEVER ever seen a skeptical (i.e. real & rational) scientist speak like that. That sort of violence is so far outside the bounds of normal discourse, you can only imagine that these folk put themselves to bed at night fantasizing about such things.
They label US genocidalists, and then go on to discuss how much violence they’d like to inflict on a very large fraction of humanity who are real scientists and see through their BS? Ummm…hello? Who are the real sadistic murderers here?
“…pieces of regurgitated dog sh*t…”
That’s well into the process of the dehumanizing rhetoric that leads to hatred and then self-justified genocide. It is hate speech, and it is bigotry. These people are a danger to society.
… those words were Immortalized by none other than Humphrey Bogart in the 1948 movie “The Treasure of the Sierra Madre” (and those words have been ‘corruptly’ repeated ever since) written and directed by John Huston. The plot has two impecunious Americans Fred Dobbs (played by Humphrey Bogart) and Bob Curtin (played Tim Holt) prospecting for gold in 1920s Mexico. They are joined by an old-timer “Howard ” played by Walter Huston, the director’s father who accurately predicts trouble but willing goes along anyway …
The movie is notable as being one of the first Hollywood films to be filmed almost entirely on location outside the United States in the Mexican state of Durango with street scenes in Tampico, Mexico (although the night scenes were filmed back in the studio.)
An entertaining incorporation of the Humphrey Bogart’s scene from “The Treasure of the Sierra Madre” and contemporary ‘tin flashing’ from a variety of other movies follows below:
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Frankly it makes me think of present day liberals/Democratic Party leaders in the USA, even though I know that being a Global Warming True Believer or EcoNut doesn’t necessarily go hand in hand with being a liberal. Just as we’ve been seeing with the GW True Believers, liberal leaders seems to suffer from a serious psychological projection problem too, labeling their opponents intolerant, bigoted, radical, etc., etc. when in fact it is they themselves who most often display those traits. And you know that’s the case when even Jon Stewart rags on them for it!
The double standard and hate displayed is mind boggling: Video: google: Jon Stewart; Hope and Change 2, The Party of Inclusion. Delegates & Democrats at the DNC; Even Jon Stewart Finds ‘Tolerance’ Doesn’t Extend to Conservatives (or business owners, or hunters, or white males, or religious people, or gun owners, or …): http://tinyurl.com/ceeae7z or http://tinyurl.com/d64hnag
Pew survey: Online, Liberals are the least tolerant of opposing viewpoints. http://tinyurl.com/7f9ag5k or google: Pew: Liberals most intolerant online
Video (4:48 min): Multiple DNC Delegate Democrats all agree; let’s ban profits! http://tinyurl.com/8mrfvd5
Video: google: Dem Delegates & Supporters On Video: We’re Really Pro-Choice…Unless It Involves Food, School, light bulb, or Union Choice http://tinyurl.com/bqhgeqb (add insurance to the list, although it’s not in the video)
Video: Obama supporters want government out of the bedroom, but want government to pay for what goes on in the bedroom: http://tinyurl.com/btd7yum or google: Video: Obama supporters stumped on why government should pay for birth control
Serial speech wording re: ‘Our strongest Ally’ – Hey, did you know that EVERY nation is our strongest and closest ally, and they all ‘punch above their weight!’ Google: OBAMA: All countries are close allies!! = http://tinyurl.com/86xaxec This includes at least Denmark, the Netherlands, Ireland, Philippines, Norway, Australia, Poland, Great Britain, Germany, Republic of Korea, France, Israel, Italy, and Japan. And gee, somehow it takes a Danish media outlet to even notice this, but our mainstream media entirely misses it!
Snotrocket says:
September 16, 2012 at 6:50 am
Political Junkie says: September 15, 2012 at 3:08 pm
“Excerpt from Glenn Tamblyn’s touching letter to Phil Jones:
“…Warmth, happiness and gratitude to you, your family and colleagues.”
Apart from the desire to stick my finger down my throat, did anyone else think it odd that someone would wish Jones “warmth”? 🙂
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Maybe he just hopes he finds the “missing heat”?
Theese guys are loonies.
I really hope it is the ranting of adolescents, immature jerks and not grown people.
Collectivism really brings out the worst in man.
I think we realists, true sceptics must see this as a cry for help, hear them out and aknowledge their fears. AGW believers dont have an easy life, either they are right and we will all die or they are wrong and everything they believed in was totally made up fearmongering politics. We must meet their anguish and hostillity with patience an kindness, seriously. This is an opportunity to help a tormented fellow man.
So they didn’t like the “SS” acronym for their propagandist little blog site?
Well, let me tell you about the only thing that comes to my mind when I see the acronym “SkS”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKS
“The SKS is a Soviet semi-automatic rifle chambered for the 7.62x39mm round, designed in 1943 by Sergei Gavrilovich Simonov. Its complete designation, SKS-45, is an acronym for Samozaryadnyj Karabin sistemy Simonova, 1945 (Russian: Самозарядный карабин системы Симонова, 1945; Self-loading Carbine of (the) Simonov system, 1945), or SKS 45. In the early 1950’s, the Soviets took the SKS carbine out of front-line service and replaced it with the AK-47; however, the SKS remained in second-line service for decades. It is still used as a ceremonial arm today. The SKS was widely exported, and was also produced by some former Eastern Bloc nations as well as China, where it was designated the “Type 56”, East Germany as the Karabiner S and in North Korea as the “Type 63″. The SKS is currently popular on the civilian surplus market in many countries, including the United States. It was one of the first weapons chambered for the 7.62x39mm M43 round, which was also used later in the AK-47.”
There are so many of these things in Canada, the US, and elsewhere, used by red-blooded civilians for target practice and good ol’ right-wing/libertarian/rational leftist/2nd Amendment fun…it would be too funny to see the shock & horror on their faces when they google “SKS” and get page after page of gun info.
The acronym for their pseudoscience site reminds most people of guns.
If you need a password reminder from Professor Lewandowsky’s site Shaping Tomorrows World, guess who answers you? I’ll give you a clue, SKS…
For the AR5
fabricationdevelopment process the IPCC intentionally prevents transparency and openness by using secret forums of its members.We see parallels in use of secret forums at JC’s conspiracy focussed Skeptical Science blog which is arguably the dominant supporter of the previous IPCC AR findings as well as supporter of the currently in progress AR5 preps.
It looks to me like the IPCC and the Skeptical Science blog, as well all the FOIA blockers like Mann, have an intentional code of secrecy in publically funded science; that code has been what the public does recognize as the essentially fatal characteristic of CAGW biased research.
My thinking is that the IPCC decision to go with secret forums for the AR5 preparation processes was influenced by the scientists and blogs who where already widely known to have been successfully emulating the use of secrecy in public funded science; I think they where influenced by the likes of Mann and JC’s Skeptical Science.
John