I posted this on the Daily Lew Issue 5 as an update, but I decided it was so telling of the state of mind for the SkS crowd that it needed its own separate post. This also happens to be post 7000 on WUWT.
I had pretty much ignored the SkS forum dump when it was happening, thinking that perhaps they were being treated unfairly, but since John Cook has gone a bridge too far now with this Lewandowsky “moon landing survey” mess and his association with it, I no longer feel the need to hold back on what is going on behind the scenes over there.
Here is Glenn Tamblyn (Skeptical Science author/moderator) secretly conversing with his SkS pals on their off limits forum and saying “we need a conspiracy to save humanity”. The Viet Cong comparison is a nice touch too. There’s talk of convening a “war council” too.
And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.
Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.
..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.
[As quoted by Geoff Chambers in this Bishop Hill thread. http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/3/26/opengate-josh-158.html?currentPage=2#comments ]
Yet climate skeptics are being painted as conspiracy theory nutters by the very same people who say “a conspiracy to save humanity” is needed.
Gleick was fighting with “Queensberry Rules” when he assumed a fake identity and stole documents from Heartland?
Riiiight.
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For the excitable people that get upset about such things as this post, it is worth pointing out that the SkS “secret” forum was left wide open, and Cook blames himself No hack or ‘Gleick Queensberryness’ was needed, also from BH by poster David who captured this SkS announcement on 23 February 2012 by Cook himself:
Got an email from Brian P this morning saying that the whole forum was publicly available to him, even when he wasn’t logged in. I checked and this was true.A little panicky, I investigated and worked out that all the permission levels of each forum had been set down to zero. Normally, they’re set so only authors can access most of them, except the translator forum is also accessible to translators. Strangely though, there is an admin forum that only admins can access and that wasn’t set to zero – it was still set so only admins can access it.
I have no idea how this happened. Several possibilities come to mind. First, I did it by accident when I was screwing around with the database sometime. Someone with admin access (there are about half a dozen SkSers with this access) made the change. Or we were hacked in some way and the hacker changed the levels. None of the options seem likely to me but the most likely is human error on my part although the fact that the admin forum was still set at admin level belies some kind of blanket wiping of all levels.
So I’m a little freaked out – it’s not knowing how this happened that has me most worried. Has anyone been looking at the forum and how long has this been available? But I’ve been procrastinating some of those security measures that have been suggested to me and as soon as I get to work this morning, am going to implement some of those measures.
UPDATE: It gets worse.
Steve McIntyre points out the wholesale deletion of over 50 of Tom Fuller’s comments at Lewandowsky’s blog today (after they had been in place for days) and made this comment:
Steve McIntyre: Posted Sep 15, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Re: Iain McQueen (Sep 15 13:28),
In the secret SkS forum, a member of the SkS squadron stated that “McIntyre must go down”. In another post, another SkS squadron member fantasized about ripping out Watts’ throat as follows:
Sometimes you just want to let loose and scream about how you want to take those motherfucking arseholes, those closed-minded bigotted genocidal pieces of regurgitated dog shit and do unspeakable violence to their bodies and souls for what they are doing to the safety of what and who we all hold dear. (Ain’t a lack of a moderation policy a cleansing and liberating thing?)…
Work out what you are best suited too and do that. But be able to distance yourself enough from your personal reactions to also see the bigger picture of the entire war and contribute to framing that broad campaign – “We need to focus on this and this and this. But my personal contribution will be to ripe Anthony Watts’ throat out – metaphorically of course.”
Such nice people, those SkS authors, contributors, and moderators.
RobertInAz
Richard & David;
I know we had some disagreements on a prior thread. I just want to give you both a call-out that I agree 100%. 🙂
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No worries, and thanks.
The left always comes to the conclusion that all that is needed is to kill a few million people. No surprise.
Reblogged this on gottadobetterthanthis and commented:
Not that my reblogging will add, but this is worthwhile. Warning–the true-believers in human-caused climate catastrophism extol violence and wax offensive with obscene words quoted herein. You can handle it; you might even want to pray for them, as Jesus told us to pray for our enemies and those who despitefully use us. The global-warming meme has gone off the rails. Gore seems to be lying low, the politicians all around seem to have given up on it, except of course “The Dear Leader” and his calls for FORWARD into subservience to the almighty STATE (aka Federal Bureaucracy). Still, the last of the advocates have more than money at stake. They will have to admit they were wrong if they let up. One should always remember that it is better to be corrected than to remain wrong.
From RACookPE1978 on September 15, 2012 at 7:29 pm:
*sigh* I wondered if someone was going to go for the obvious lame movie line or a variation.
What’s next?
Let me introduce you to my little friend.
His name is F.O.I.A.
Robin nails it.
JamesD says:
September 15, 2012 at 8:51 pm
The left always comes to the conclusion that all that is needed is to kill a few million people. No surprise.
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I don’t want to drag this thread off topic, but I take umbrage at that remark. Extremists kill people. Power mongers kill people. History is replete with examples of same from both right and left. (Lest ye conclude that I am merely making excuses for the left, I can advise that those who know me would describe as being well right of centre)
There is a secret WUWT forum — it exists in the feverish imaginings of various conspiracy minded trolls and SkS fanatics who believe that all types of skeptics are funded by Big Oil front groups passing millions of dollars to Anthony and his co-conspirators.
I guess “not fighting like gentleman at all” is a euphemism that were’re not using PNS to justify our efforts. Wow!
Well, I got a little hint for these would-be criminals: A real down-and-dirty fight is something they couldn’t do if their lives depended on it; they have a hard time getting beyond walking distance of a Starbucks.
I’m betting not a single one of ’em has had any military training; I’m betting not a single one of ’em knows how to wear camo, I’m betting none could drop a bull elk at 500 yards; and I’m pretty sure none of ’em even owns a gun.
So what to do with all their bluster? We can laugh–I haven’t laughed this hard in months and I’ve had some good laughs at their expense in this “Lew’d Series”. We can ignore them, but like children they just get noisier and more obnoxious when ignored. Or we can continue to destroy their “arguments” the way we’ve been doing (mostly it’s been Anthony and his own little army of shrewd, wise old owls for whom I’m very grateful).
But here’s a warming, er… warning!–you guys lay a finger on our MVP’s and there will be hell to pay. Comprendi?
Oh, and have a nice day!
Tamblyn sounds like Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now. Exactly like him.
The reality is that the vast majority of “lay” people who think CAGW is real do not read WUWT and have no idea at all that these sorts of things go on–and I’m talking about most of my colleagues. They never hear a discouraging word so they assume no discouraging words are being said, and the science is therefore clearly settled. You can’t talk to them…at least I can’t, anyway. They refuse to believe it, period. Will they come here to educate themselves? Of course not, because they know they’re right and I’m just a right-wing nutjob whose ideology causes me to ignore facts when they’re staring me in the face partisan hack…fill in the blanks with your favorite insult. They will never never read about this.
It’s infuriating.
“What’s all this crap I hear about tolerance?”- Bart Simpson
Anthony Watts says:
Reply to J. Peterson: there is no secret forum on WUWT
Why not?
How come the anti-science warmists get to have all the fun?
I want a super-secret forum!
And a decoder ring …
Well you know what I still have the only post John Cook made to my forum and I never moderated any of it despite that I despise his goofy blog.The link back to his blog is still there:
http://www.globalwarmingskeptics.info/thread-928-post-9149.html#pid9149
He never made a reply post to my first post in the thread that he knows he can not answer with confidence and I had forgotten Jo Nova’s blogging about John Cook’s easy to spot logical errors to post there.
http://www.globalwarmingskeptics.info/thread-928-post-6807.html#pid6807
I wish someone would do a survey to determine what percentage of the population is left that would not admit there is a conspiracy of evil intent on destroying the remnants of freedom and liberty we have.
Ok, so what’s next from these folks. They gonna come to your home, strip you of your flag and put their own skull and crossbones or whatever. We already have one religion flipping out in the world. !!Seriously!!
“Sometimes you just want to let loose and scream about how you want to take those motherfucking arseholes, those closed-minded bigotted genocidal pieces of regurgitated dog shit and do unspeakable violence to their bodies and souls”
This is not mere venting! It’s hate speech and probably constitutes assault. Assault = threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. Imagine the justifiable outrage if such language were directed at any ethnic group, or even a political party.
When I read these sorts of statements I want to hunt down the bastard who wrote them and … And, this is exactly why we have laws against statements like that. The normal response to threats of violence, is threats of violence, and threats often leads to real violence. SkS and others need to be reminded that these sorts of statements are illegal, for good reason. They need to learn to restrain themselves from making such statements, or society needs to do it for them.
I strongly recommend turning this evidence over to the FBI. Assault is also a tort so it’s open to civil action. That Forum, and potentially the entire website, should be closed down. The more these sorts of people are allowed to mutter and scream to each other the more likely they are to start acting out.
I think civic duty requires anyone with knowledge of such events to report them.
Those are the ravings of a lunatic! Poor chap should probably be locked up for his own protection if his view of the world and the people he encounters in it is so distorted. Bonkers! Utterly bonkers!
Doug Proctor says:
September 15, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I take it then you’ve never been to Komment Macht Frei at the Guardian. (“Comment Is Free”, their forum)
Morph says:
September 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm
“Does anyone know who / how / why funds SKS and how Mr Cook earns a living from it ?”
I faintly remember something about a Canadian hippie, internet company startup millionaire sugardaddy who got convicted of something… Trying to dig it up…
DirkH says:
September 15, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Oh sorry, that would have been John Lefevbre but he’s funding the David Suzuki foundation, not SkS.
So that’s why they are so angry at SkS. Everybody else has their Soros or Rockefeller and they don’t…
Yet they want “us” to use SkS, rather than SS as the abbreviated version of their bunker’s moniker? And get miffed if “we” don’t?
A string of unpleasant invective comes to mind.
Theo Goodwin~ are you sure you didn’t mean Colonel Clink?
richardscourtney said “Please do not lose sight of the important fact; i.e.the AGW-scaremongers know they have lost. ”
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I would like to agree with you, but the West’s politicians remain very much in the pockets of the CAGW extremists and continue to be shielded from a broader view of reality.
We are still very much on a course to economic disaster in the UK and other Western economies as they continue to build pointless windmills and unfairly subsidise domestic solar power (the poor subsidising the rich).
Only 3 of the 650 (ish) UK members of parliament voted against the economically disastrous co2 reduction bill and until we get a sea change in attitudes amongst politicians then the CAGW fanatics cannot be said to have lost.
And so, much as I hate the cold, I find myself almost looking forward to the arrival of the long predicted (1983 Landscheidt) cold spell, which may provide the catalyst to opening the eyes and minds of some of our all too easily brainwashed politicians.
Currently the CAGW brigade tell us that climate models show that there can be pauses in a warming trend, something which does not appear to be true as they weren’t saying this 15 years ago and their graphs also showed no such thing. I note that they say that temperatures will return to climbing ever more steeply sometime soon, but again they don’t say when and again they don’t show us any output (graphs) from their treasured climate models predicting this.
Should temperatures fall sharply as expected over the coming 20+ years I wonder how the exponents of co2 induced CAGW will explain that. No doubt they will once again say that Global Warming Climate Models predicted this but yet again they will provide no evidence for such a statement.
The question is, how much longer will our gullible politicians continue to be fooled by the preaching of the high priests of co2 alarmism, when will they start to question the lack of evidence for this and the clear failure of the few predictions the co2 alarmists have made.
Much as I hate to say it: “Bring on the cold”.
At 3:00 AM on 16 September, J Martin had asked:
We cannot assume that the government thugs who have been imposing economically devastating laws and regulations upon the citizenry of nations all over the industrialized world are doing this because they’re “gullible,” or even that they genuinely credit the “crippled conjecture” of CO2-driven man-made global warming.
Contrary to Hanlon’s Razor (“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”), in the wake of the 2009 Climategate revelations especially, every allegedly AGW-driven action undertaken by current incumbent politicians and bureaucrats anywhere in the world today – every policy, procedure, pronunciamento, regulatory imposition, subsidy, statute, or other parliamentary enactment in suppression of “carbon pollution” or in aid of the “renewable energy” boondoggles, and especially every tax they levy – must be considered a manifestation of willful and vicious malfeasance in public office.
These sonzabitches are far too practiced in the arts of “back-stabbing, cork-screwing, and dirty dealing” for any sort of witless manifestation of mere blithering idiocy to be credited.
Never lose focus on H.L. Mencken’s bitter but scathingly accurate observation almost a century ago:
Henry Galt says:
September 16, 2012 at 12:56 am
We’ve been spanking their butts using only logic for years; why should we use the lesser weapon of invectives?
What a charming bunch of people!
Their scientiific knowledge is only exceeded by their wit and repartee, I just hope their collective blood pressures reached critical!