'…we need a conspiracy to save humanity'

I posted this on the Daily Lew Issue 5 as an update, but I decided it was so telling of the state of mind for the SkS crowd that it needed its own separate post. This also happens to be post 7000 on WUWT.

I had pretty much ignored the SkS forum dump when it was happening, thinking that perhaps they were being treated unfairly, but since John Cook has gone a bridge too far now with this Lewandowsky “moon landing survey” mess and his association with it, I no longer feel the need to hold back on what is going on behind the scenes over there.

Here is Glenn Tamblyn (Skeptical Science author/moderator) secretly conversing with his SkS pals on their off limits forum and saying “we need a conspiracy to save humanity”. The Viet Cong comparison is a nice touch too. There’s talk of convening a “war council” too.

And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.

Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.

..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.

[As quoted by Geoff Chambers in this Bishop Hill thread. http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/3/26/opengate-josh-158.html?currentPage=2#comments ]

Yet climate skeptics are being painted as conspiracy theory nutters by the very same people who say “a conspiracy to save humanity” is needed.

Gleick was fighting with “Queensberry Rules” when he assumed a fake identity and stole documents from Heartland?

Riiiight.

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For the excitable people that get upset about such things as this post, it is worth pointing out that the SkS “secret” forum was left wide open, and Cook blames himself No hack or ‘Gleick Queensberryness’ was needed, also from BH by poster David who captured this SkS announcement on 23 February 2012 by Cook himself:

Got an email from Brian P this morning saying that the whole forum was publicly available to him, even when he wasn’t logged in. I checked and this was true.A little panicky, I investigated and worked out that all the permission levels of each forum had been set down to zero. Normally, they’re set so only authors can access most of them, except the translator forum is also accessible to translators. Strangely though, there is an admin forum that only admins can access and that wasn’t set to zero – it was still set so only admins can access it.

I have no idea how this happened. Several possibilities come to mind. First, I did it by accident when I was screwing around with the database sometime. Someone with admin access (there are about half a dozen SkSers with this access) made the change. Or we were hacked in some way and the hacker changed the levels. None of the options seem likely to me but the most likely is human error on my part although the fact that the admin forum was still set at admin level belies some kind of blanket wiping of all levels.

So I’m a little freaked out – it’s not knowing how this happened that has me most worried. Has anyone been looking at the forum and how long has this been available? But I’ve been procrastinating some of those security measures that have been suggested to me and as soon as I get to work this morning, am going to implement some of those measures.

UPDATE: It gets worse.

Steve McIntyre points out the wholesale deletion of over 50 of Tom Fuller’s comments at Lewandowsky’s blog today (after they had been in place for days) and made this comment:

Steve McIntyre:  Posted Sep 15, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Re: Iain McQueen (Sep 15 13:28),

In the secret SkS forum, a member of the SkS squadron stated that “McIntyre must go down”. In another post, another SkS squadron member fantasized about ripping out Watts’ throat as follows:

Sometimes you just want to let loose and scream about how you want to take those motherfucking arseholes, those closed-minded bigotted genocidal pieces of regurgitated dog shit and do unspeakable violence to their bodies and souls for what they are doing to the safety of what and who we all hold dear. (Ain’t a lack of a moderation policy a cleansing and liberating thing?)…

Work out what you are best suited too and do that. But be able to distance yourself enough from your personal reactions to also see the bigger picture of the entire war and contribute to framing that broad campaign – “We need to focus on this and this and this. But my personal contribution will be to ripe Anthony Watts’ throat out – metaphorically of course.”

Such nice people, those SkS authors, contributors, and moderators.

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September 16, 2012 11:33 am

Dear Mods,
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Mac the Knife
September 16, 2012 1:04 pm

Liberal politics and liberal media. Socialist democrat politics and socialist democrat media, working hand in hand to provide only the news and facts that fit their agenda. Environmental politics and environmental media, the same one sided fraud sharing the same resources.
This is the ugly, ‘do anything to win’ collaboration we stand against. The personal and professional assaults are directed at us in veiled and treacherous fashion as our opposition sees themselves as ‘saviours of the planet’, justified in using every feint and fraud necessary to achieve their god or gaian blessed mission.
Their bigoted hate speech reflects their own dark and self-abandoned souls.
How do we refute their viciousness? Look them unwaveringly in the eye. Speak directly to fact and truth, always with a boy scouts face. And keep a clenched fist under the hat in your hand, for that moment when their attacks transition from verbal to physical assault. ‘Be prepared.’
MtK

September 16, 2012 1:19 pm

Maybe we’re looking at this all wrong. Maybe those who like the Lewpaper have let this out on purpose. Lew says we are all “conspiracy theorist”. We aren’t. So “they’ve” invented a conspiracy for us to believe in after he’s claimed we believe in conspiracy theories so that they can claim that his theory about us believing in conspiracy theories was true after all?…even though their conspiracy was after he claimed we believed in conspiracies.
(Sorry. All these conspiracies we believe in make me dizzy.)

Tucci78
September 16, 2012 2:07 pm

At 10:31 AM on 16 September, Joe Postma had written:

So they didn’t like the “SS” acronym for their propagandist little blog site?
Well, let me tell you about the only thing that comes to my mind when I see the acronym “SkS”:

“The SKS is a Soviet semi-automatic rifle chambered for the 7.62x39mm round, designed in 1943 by Sergei Gavrilovich Simonov. Its complete designation, SKS-45, is an acronym for Samozaryadnyj Karabin sistemy Simonova, 1945 (Russian: Самозарядный карабин системы Симонова, 1945; Self-loading Carbine of (the) Simonov system, 1945), or SKS 45. In the early 1950′s, the Soviets took the SKS carbine out of front-line service and replaced it with the AK-47; however, the SKS remained in second-line service for decades. It is still used as a ceremonial arm today. The SKS was widely exported, and was also produced by some former Eastern Bloc nations as well as China, where it was designated the “Type 56″, East Germany as the Karabiner S and in North Korea as the “Type 63″. The SKS is currently popular on the civilian surplus market in many countries, including the United States. It was one of the first weapons chambered for the 7.62x39mm M43 round, which was also used later in the AK-47.”

There are so many of these things in Canada, the US, and elsewhere, used by red-blooded civilians for target practice and good ol’ right-wing/libertarian/rational leftist/2nd Amendment fun…it would be too funny to see the shock & horror on their faces when they google “SKS” and get page after page of gun info.
The acronym for their pseudoscience site reminds most people of guns.

Ah, so I’m not the only RTKBA advocate to have observed this happy happenstance.
Have any other frequenters of these fora given much consideration to the fact that those of us who approach social, economic, and political matters from the methodologically individualist (i.e., unalienable individual human rights) perspective tend not only to be skeptics anent the preposterous “man-made catastrophic climate change” boojum but also merry and enthusiastic hoplophiles?

The right to own weapons is the right to be free

Tom in Worcester
September 16, 2012 2:09 pm

No “secret forum” at WUWT?!?! I demand a secret forum ………. and a decoder ring!!!

James Ard
September 16, 2012 2:44 pm

Anthony, you are the gentleman of gentlemen. But holding on to this one is pulling your punches too much. Get this kind of stuff out early and often to give us the argument we need to convince our friends and family who they are.

Mooloo
September 16, 2012 3:59 pm

I’m pretty sure the decision to use SkS for Skeptical Science was to lower the emotional tone (getting rid of the D-word etc) chosen voluntarily by sceptics. It wasn’t because any warmers complained.
The same way Steve at CA was recently persuaded to change the word “pogrom”. It just made sense not to allow comments to drift onto the use of words. It allows the Trolls to ruin the actual discussion.
I note that some of the commenters above don’t seem to realise that fighting their abuse with more abuse is a losing strategy. We need to stay classier than them.

Hot under the collar
September 16, 2012 8:43 pm

Reading the ‘secret’ comments on the skeptical Science ‘secret forum’ was a bit like looking at work produced not by scientists but in a kindergarten. I do hope they have child safety gates on all their office doors (they seem to have left the electronic gates open). Perhaps we should throw a few dummies (soothers) their way as they appear upset.
Now they seem to have difficulty communicating with each other over email courtesy of Climategate so they evolved to ‘secret forums’ now they have ‘Kindergate’ perhaps they will advance to ‘sleepovers’ next.
Don’t forget your onesies children.

ursus augustus
September 17, 2012 6:12 am

what a demented bunch of utter dribbledicks. If that is the caliber of the AGW advocates then god almighty it is going to be fun to watch the penny drop in the MSM and the general public consciousness. Oh the potential schadenfreude has got me shivering already.

Joe Postma
September 17, 2012 7:04 am

@ursus
Yes…yes that IS the calibre of the AGW advocates and this is why they’ve always been failing. The only thing that has ever kept them going is oodles and oodles of billions of dollars of propaganda funding. And their obvious & sheer lack of rationality…

philjourdan
September 17, 2012 8:32 am

Captain Red Legs in The Outlaw Josey Wales – “Doing good has no end”. Seems SkS is Captain Red Legs.

RockyRoad
September 17, 2012 8:56 am

Mooloo says:
September 16, 2012 at 3:59 pm


I note that some of the commenters above don’t seem to realise that fighting their abuse with more abuse is a losing strategy. We need to stay classier than them.

“Some of us” aren’t abusing the Warmistas at all–their whole vile approach borders on criminal behavior (if not actual criminal behavior). Our counter to them is in the form of a defensive promise so they’d better wake up to reality.

timg56
September 17, 2012 9:00 am

Many have already noted Glenn Tamblyn’s poor understanding of the Vietnam War. I would like to add that I consider the entire concept of comparing the debate about climate change to a war is interesting, and not in a healthy way.
First I would like to direct readers attention to a letter to the editor by a young Naval officer in last month’s USNI Proceedings:
http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2012-08/now-hear-three-letter-word
He notes the common habit for people to readily equate any cause to a war and how that willingness shows a lack of understanding of what war is really like and devalues the service and sacrifice of the men and women who fight them.
I’ve commented before on how Michael Mann appears to have embraced this “war” concept, perhaps to reinforce his belief in himself as the “hero”. Not sure what Glenn Tamblyn’s motivation is. Perhaps he sees himself as some master strategist, a Napolean to sweep all skeptics before him. What I’m curious about is whether or not Glenn, or any of those who use the “war” concept, have any real experience or prior service. I’m betting they do not. Otherwise they would not engage in such silly talk.

Tom in Worc (USA)
September 17, 2012 9:13 am

Has anyone tried to post these quotes over there?

September 17, 2012 9:17 am

philjourdan on September 17, 2012 at 8:32 am
Captain Red Legs in The Outlaw Josey Wales – “Doing good has no end”. Seems SkS is Captain Red Legs.

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philjourdan,
Nice reference.  Thanks.
That movie scene often flits across my mind when reading about Hansen’s fanaticism.  Now with Lewandowsky’s fanaticism.
John

kim2ooo
September 17, 2012 10:23 am

“my personal contribution will be to ripe Anthony Watts’ throat out – metaphorically of course.”
Can’t figure out if this poster is “metaphorically, [ of course ] gay and expressing a desire to tongue kiss Mr Watts.

ConTrari
September 17, 2012 11:12 am

Mr. Watts says there is no secret forum on WUWT. That’s nonsense, there has to be. Proof? The fact that he has already denied the existance of such a forum. Why would Mr. Watts need to deny it, if it did not already exist? Can you tell me that? /sarc off (but oh, what a lovely mad mindframe one plugs into by making fun of these people).

September 17, 2012 12:53 pm

I am sure that even if there is no admin forum, emails go between contributors of WUWT. And indeed, between contributors of WUWT and other people. And I am quite sure that on occasion these will involve comments which would not be posted in public and which those concerned would prefer to remain private, as was intended.
Anthony – are you happy for every single one of all your personal and private correspondences with other people to be made public?
Or are you a hypocrit?
REPLY: I started an Internet service for my TV station in 1996, and my email address goes all they to then, and rule#1 from the newsroom was “treat your emails as if they might one day be published in the newspaper”. So should that happen one day, I’m not too worried about it. After looking at the articles you’ve written, I realize now you are just another Chemtrails and Atlantis nut, so bugger off.
http://www.helium.com/users/444198/show_articles
-Anthony

cdc
September 17, 2012 2:10 pm

“And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.
Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.
..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.”
Et il n’est plus question ici de science ou de carrières personnelles ou de réputation. C’est un combat pour la survie. La survie de nos civilisations… Nous avons besoin de vos donateurs (anonymes (ou pas tellement anonymes), de nos think tanks… Nos Monckton… Nos assassins.
Vous connaissez le numéro de téléphone privé de Bill Gates, celui de Warren Buffett, celui de Richard Branson ? Notre “côté” se doit d’être professionnel, dès que possible. On doit se mettre en réseau. Chaque blog, chaque organisation, chaque mouvement doit être comme une section dans une armée… Cela ressemble beaucoup à la guerre du Viêt Nam… Et les sceptiques sont le Viêt Cong… Pas du tout de bataille entre gentilshommes Et les braves gens comme Gleick ne savent pas comment faire. Les règles de la boxe plutôt que mordre et arracher… Donc, soit la Mère Nature daigne donner au Monde un terrible signal d’éveil. Ou des gens comme nous doivent constituer la plus grande guerilla dans l’histoire humaine. Maintenant. Parce qu’il est temps… Il faut que quelqu’un rassemble un conseil de guerre de tous les mouvements environnementaux, des blogs, des instituts, etc. Dans une pièce enfumée (OK, enfumée d’encens), nous avons besoin d’une conspiration pour sauver l’humanité.
Chouette, non ? ça vient de Glenn Tamblyn, de Skeptical Science (pas du tout un blog sceptique, malgré son titre, en fait un blog totalement climato-catastrophiste). C’est d’autant plus rigolo qu’il assimile les “sceptiques” au Viêt Cong….
I took the liberty of translating this extremely interesting post into my French-language blog. It’s devastating (I hope).
Good luck!

September 17, 2012 8:12 pm

Andy Mayhew says:
September 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I am sure that even if there is no admin forum, emails go between contributors of WUWT. And indeed, between contributors of WUWT and other people. And I am quite sure that on occasion these will involve comments which would not be posted in public and which those concerned would prefer to remain private, as was intended.
Anthony – are you happy for every single one of all your personal and private correspondences with other people to be made public?
Or are you a hypocrit?
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Strange. In English the word “hypocrite” has come to mean a person who says one thing and does another. At SkS they, via The King of the Lew, have claimed skeptics are conspiracy theorist and so can’t be trusted as they at SkS call for a conspiracy to be formed. And you defend them? Strange.

September 17, 2012 9:31 pm

timg56 makes the interesting point that equating our disagreement over climate change to a war “shows a lack of understanding of what war is really like and devalues the service and sacrifice of the men and women who fight them”.
But war is the continuation of diplomacy by other means, and strategy, tactics, forward planning, etc, are common to war and any other kind of political, social or emotional conflict.
We’re annoyed at the debasement of science and the waste of our taxes. They’re annoyed because the world’s going to end. It’s hardly surprising that their annoyance is expressed in a more extreme fashion.
There’s one big difference between war and debate, on the one hand, and political, social or emotional conflict on the other. In the former case there are clear winners and losers. In the latter case the process is never-ending.

Tucci78
September 18, 2012 5:22 am

At 9:00 AM on 17 September, timg56 had mentioned:

Many have already noted Glenn Tamblyn’s poor understanding of the Vietnam War. I would like to add that I consider the entire concept of comparing the debate about climate change to a war is interesting, and not in a healthy way.
First I would like to direct readers attention to a letter to the editor by a young Naval officer [Lieutenant (Junior Grade) Charlie Hymen, U.S. Navy] in last month’s USNI Proceedings

…wherein this O-2 had focused upon – apparently without realizing it – the concept known as “the moral equivalent of war,” which had first been promulgated by psychologist and pragmatist philosopher Dr. William James in 1906.
Dr. James is widely acknowledged to have been a key influence on the sociopolitical “progressive” movement in these United States. In that 1906 speech of his (later published as an essay) the long-winded cuss said:

If now — and this is my idea — there were, instead of military conscription, a conscription of the whole youthful population to form for a certain number of years a part of the army enlisted against Nature, the injustice would tend to be evened out, and numerous other goods to the commonwealth would remain blind as the luxurious classes now are blind, to man’s relations to the globe he lives on, and to the permanently sour and hard foundations of his higher life. To coal and iron mines, to freight trains, to fishing fleets in December, to dishwashing, clotheswashing, and windowwashing, to road-building and tunnel-making, to foundries and stoke-holes, and to the frames of skyscrapers, would our gilded youths be drafted off, according to their choice, to get the childishness knocked out of them, and to come back into society with healthier sympathies and soberer ideas. They would have paid their blood-tax, done their own part in the immemorial human warfare against nature; they would tread the earth more proudly, the women would value them more highly, they would be better fathers and teachers of the following generation.
Such a conscription, with the state of public opinion that would have required it, and the many moral fruits it would bear, would preserve in the midst of a pacific civilization the manly virtues which the military party is so afraid of seeing disappear in peace. We should get toughness without callousness, authority with as little criminal cruelty as possible, and painful work done cheerily because the duty is temporary, and threatens not, as now, to degrade the whole remainder of one’s life. I spoke of the “moral equivalent” of war. So far, war has been the only force that can discipline a whole community, and until and equivalent discipline is organized, I believe that war must have its way. But I have no serious doubt that the ordinary prides and shames of social man, once developed to a certain intensity, are capable of organizing such a moral equivalent as I have sketched, or some other just as effective for preserving manliness of type. It is but a question of time, of skilful propogandism, and of opinion-making men seizing historic opportunities.

Sounds like current “Liberal” fascist compulsory “community service” crapola, don’t it?
What the political progressives (who perverted the term “Liberal” to deceitfully re-brand themselves in the decades following World War One) had noted in democratic societies since the French Revolution instantiated the concept of “a nation in arms” with the key components of mass armies enlisted and ordered by conscription and a command economy which put the resources of all productive endeavor under the strict control of elected and appointed government thugs was a remarkable lack of resistance against top-down ordination of every aspect of the private citizen’s life, speech, and even his thought.
That Mr. Hymen didn’t speak in his letter to The Proceedings about either Dr. James or that pshrink’s explicit objective in coming up with this ostensibly pacifist but undeniably viciously aggressive violation of individual human rights – using various sorts of “permanent emergency” to override resistance to the government-as-god machinations of those we correctly term “Liberal” fascists today – remarks sadly on the quality of the curriculum at Canoe U., but it don’t surprise me none.
The progressives just loved this permanent state of emergency model. It became their formula for success.
And lest we forget that the progressive movement began in the Republican Party (remember Teddy Roosevelt?), take special note of Richard Milhous Nixon’s enthusiastic stomp job on the Bill of Rights with his glorious “War on (Some) Drugs.”
Inasmuch as the frenetic “catastrophic” AGW alarmists of the past thirty years are without significant exception “Liberal” fascists – whether they’re calling themselves “progressives” this week again or not – that they should frame their attack upon industrialized civilization as the moral equivalent of war against “man-made global climate change” is utterly unsurprising.
This “moral equivalent of war” bullpuckey has been the stock-in-trade of American statist sons of canine parentage ever since Dr. James spewed it more than a century ago. Those of us old enough to have experienced the Carter Malaise and that cement-headed slimeball’s disgusting “Moral Equivalent of War Speech” (18 April 1977) on the then-prevalent “Energy Crisis” (and do please read through that Wiki-bloody-pedia article, willya? Makes me tingle all down one leg to read again that socialist spew of “sacrifice” and “let’s all pull together!” that made even Ronald Reagan [yuck!] look like salvation by comparison when the 1980 elections rolled around).
If you’re too young to have any real appreciation of Jimmy Carter as an earlier iteration of our current Marxist Mombasa Messiah (’cause the teachers’ union types sure as hell want nothing to do with honest talk about the hideous wreck he made of both our domestic economy and our foreign policy), consider that in the summer of 1980, the running joke around the table in the hospital cafeteria where the medical staff used to congregate – the one that was right next to two phones on the wall so we could answer our pages – was that the Open Market Committee of the Federal Reserve oughtta be re-named “The Committee to Re-Elect Jimmy Carter,” because at every sweaty, frenetic meeting they were conjuring counterfeit currency out of thin air at an annualized inflation rate of 20%.
They didn’t call it “quantitative easing” back then, but the intention was a Keynesian “prime the pump” effort to jump-start the economy and prevent the Peanut Farmer from getting his butt bounced out of the White House.
Ah, nostalgia. Those were the years in which everybody learned the word “stagflation,” which those mainstream (i.e., Keynesian) economics professors in school had taught us all was flatly
impossible.
But to get back to Lieutenant (JG) Hymen’s letter in Proceedings.
Any time you hear anybody puking up this “moral equivalent of war” bilge, get your hand on your wallet and your hackles up. They’re trying to work plunder upon you, and your utter enslavement if they can get away with it.
Let us hate and oppose the Watermelon warmists, not simply because their “science” is manifestly and maliciously fraudulent but primarily because they’re “Liberal” fascists intent upon turning our republic from the rule of law into a reign of tyranny.
Mr. Hymen ought to be informed of that, too. After all, it’s his duty as a commissioned officer of the Naval Service to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

Kitefreak
September 20, 2012 12:11 pm

I must send this 7000th post of WUWT to my young and impressionable SkS loving colleague at work.
The night-and-day like difference between the way the SkS crew behave and the way AW/WUWT is administered is stunning. In fact they’re two different things: one is a PROPAGANDA outlet and the other is a serious website, or, should I say an examplar online intellectual community where, as mentioned above, the TRUTH can ‘gain commons’ and overcome the LIES.

September 20, 2012 12:55 pm

Quite interesting..but it shows more of the adolescent-like inability of the average american of being able to deal with having been comprehensively defeated in war but a courageous and valiant people. It seems not many people have picked up on this. But then I’m British so a little bit more sensitive to these obvious signals.
This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all
when will you learn.