I sent some notes via Twitter yesterday and today to veterinarian turned NASA science writer Maria-Jose Vinas (who wrote yesterday’s self contradicting piece from NASA on Greenland) and AP’s Seth Borenstein about his article proclaiming the “sudden massive melt” in Greenland, citing Keegan et al. (2011):
From NEEM (a station with lower elevation than the Summit station)”
“A core from the CO2 firn-air sampling site at NEEM was retrieved in July 2009, and the physical properties of the firn have been analyzed. In the 81m of analyzed firn core, two regions containing ice layers were identified at depths of 29m and 46m. Isotopic analysis provides a depth-age scale that dates these layers to be from 1935 and 1879, respectively. These years were in the two warmest decades of the instrumental temperature record for Greenland.”
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2011AGUFM.C33C0661K
And of course I got no reply. But in the meantime. Dr. Roger Pielke Senior had similar thoughts about this hype from NASA and Borenstein, and points us to the Summit Station Webcam:
![webcam[1]](http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/webcam1.jpg?resize=640%2C480&quality=83)
The real meat is in the data, as Dr. Pielke writes:

source of image: Greenland Summit Station – the plot is of temperatures at the top of the Greenland icecap for the last 30 days.
The news headline, in particular, is an example of media hype. There was no “massive melt“. The term “massive” implies that the melt involved large masses of the Greenland icecap. They could have written “Sudden Extensive, Short-Term Surface Melting On the Greenland Icecap“, but instead chose to overstate what is a short-term weather event. Melting of surface ice occurs in Greenland whenever there are relatively warm surface air temperatures, as shown in the plot from Summit Station at the top of this post, and sunny skies, as reported by Thomas Mote in Seth’s article. Almost anytime, sublimation (direct transfer from ice to water vapor) occurs.
I noted a similar graph in my story yesterday. There may have been a brief few days of melt, but it appears to be over:
As Keegan et al. (2011) tells us, just because we have a shiny new satellite camera, doesn’t mean we are photographing “unprecedented events”. It is mind blowing that NASA would allow this self contradictory piece in the first place, and then let it go uncorrected after being notified that there’s no unprecedented event at all, and their own article citing Keegan et al says so!
The issue is with ascribing short term observations in nature to a long term problem. Our satellite record is very short, 30 years or less, yet when you go back and look at ice core data as NASA did, and at the anecdotal evidence of history, you find these events have happened before. It’s somewhat like the rush to blame severe weather and drought on global warming, yet when you look into the past, you find precedence for what is being described today as “unprecedented”. The belief that almost any aberration in weather and climate today can be attributed to global warming is pure folly, and tends to be rooted in our newly acquired ability to monitor the planet with millions of cameras in the hands of the public, and new instruments in the hands of the scientists.
(Note: I’ve covered the reporting bias related to the rise of technology in detail here: Why it seems that severe weather is “getting worse” when the data shows otherwise – a historical perspective )
Without looking to the past, which is much harder work than looking at the glitzy insta-photos from satellites, you really can’t say that events on the planet today are “unprecedented”.
A good example of historical precedence of melting in the Arctic is this article from 1922 in the WaPo:
Here is the text of the Washington Post (Associated Press) article:
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.
Another good example is the excitement over the “derecho” thunderstorm that flattened parts of Washington DC and knocked out power recently. Many have tried to link that event to global warming, but when you do the slightest cursory review of history, you discover that it is a climatologically common event, first described in the American Meteorological Journal in 1888 and by the records kept by the NOAA storm prediction center, a 1 every 4 years event for Washington DC:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/01/washington-dcs-derecho-not-something-new/
Indeed, where’s the beef?
UPDATE: Andrew Revkin at NYT’s Dot Earth got a response from NASA and agrees this is a mess, writing in “Unprecedented’ Greenland Surface Melt – Every 150 Years?”
The flow of news releases and background science content from NASA is generally excellent, but the space agency badly blew it earlier this week with this headline, which has now reverberated around the Web: “Satellites See Unprecedented Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Melt.”
He adds this note from NASA, also citing Keegan et al. (2011):
Updated | Lora Koenig of NASA just sent this note providing the reference underlying her comment about past summer melting episodes at the summit (the spot on the giant ice sheet least vulnerable to melting):
The study I am citing is Alley and Anandakrishnan, 1995, “Variations in melt-layer frequency in the GISP2 ice core: implications for Holocene summer temperatures in central Greenland” published in the Annals of Glaciology for establishing the long-term frequency of melt events at Summit , Greenland. And Clausen et al., 1988 Glaciological Investigations in the Crete area, Central Greenland: A search for a new deep-drilling site also published in Annals of Glaciology for an early reference to the 1889 melt event though as mentioned in the press release Kaitlin Keegan and her advisor Mary Albert at Dartmouth University have more recent research on this event and please contact them for additional specific information.
My comment shows that melt events have occurred at Summit in the past and I have quoted the longest-term average frequency of ~150 years (exactly 153 from the paper) over the past 10,000. Since this is an ice core record that frequency is for the location of Summit only. The frequency ranges from ~80 to 250 years over different sections of the GISP2 ice core, please see the paper for specifics.
UPDATE2: I loved Revkin’s skewering of Joe Romm on his Tumblr blog. Revkin writes:
Joe Romm in full thought-police mode, labeling NASA glaciologist’s statement of scientific fact and uncertainty on Greenland surface melt episode “scientific reticence.” This even though Romm excerpts a line explaining that such events are etched in Greenland’s ice-core record roughly every 150 years:
“Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time,” says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data. “But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome.”
That statement is a classic example of what James Hansen called “scientific reticence.”
Discover more from Watts Up With That?
Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.


At http://www.summitcamp.org/status/power/ one can find out how much power is being produced by the evil, CO2 producing hydrocarbon powered generators (43.555 Kw) at the time of this post, or by the 22 wind powered generators (5 watts!). While one can argue that there aren’t many places where one can test bird blenders at -60 C, putting wind power in such a remote location is simply asinine. Although it’s probably a better choice than the other “environmentally friendly” plan to use solar cells during the arctic winter.
Since when is 1889 + 150yrs = 2012 ‘right on time?
There’s lies and theres out right dammned lies…this clearly falls in to the latter!
Such a shame how science has become so corrupted and sloppy
For what it’s worth…
I just happened to be listening to the BBC’s ‘Today’ programme this morning and they interviewed a spokesman from Shell about when they were going to begin drilling of the coast of Alaska. He said “We are waiting for it to be ice free. The ice is thicker than normal this year, the thickest it’s been in 10 years”
The ice was here, the ice was there,
The ice was all around.
It cracked and growled, and roared and howled,
Like noises in a swound.
Water, water every where
And all the boards did shrink.
Water, water every where
nor any drop to drink.
The Rime of the Ancient Mariner – abridged for effect of course.
mycroft says:
July 26, 2012 at 4:52 am
There’s lies and theres out right dammned lies…this clearly falls in to the latter!
Such a shame how science has become so corrupted and sloppy
Nothing wrong with the science, but there’s a lot of sloppy reporting of it in this case.
I don’t know whether it’s in trying to write brief headlines without understanding the content
or deliberate misrepresentation. I agree with Anthony about the headlines, it’s better to stick to the original NASA one which was quite explicit: “Satellites See Unprecedented Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Melt”.
Blade says:
July 25, 2012 at 3:45 pm
“There may have been a brief few days of melt, but it appears to be over”
http://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/weather-tempout-lastmonth.png
“The real meat is in the data, as Dr. Pielke writes:
“Note the zero line, and the few small excursions above zero source of image: Greenland Summit Station – the plot is of temperatures at the top of the Greenland icecap for the last 30 days.””
The excellent included graph in the top post is so simple to understand. Just synchronize those two little blips above the 0°C threshold with all the chicken-little hysteria from the green-red climate cabal and it all becomes clear. They are insane.
I swear, even if a glacier was rolling through their backyard it still wouldn’t stop them from their childish AGW obsessive compulsive disorder.
For those living in Greenland it’s not the glacier rolling through their backyards but flood waters from the melt:
Billy Liar says:
July 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm
higley7 says:
July 25, 2012 at 3:00 pm
But 150 year events might be like London buses; you don’t see one for ages then three come along one after another.
Indeed, the 150 years is the average over the last 10,000 years it’s been less frequent over the last 4,000. As I pointed out on the other thread:
The data at Summit is given by GISP2.
The rate of occurrence there is ~15/4000 years, since it’s such a rare event it’s reasonable to
model it as a Poisson process, with a λ of 0.375 (per century). Over the last 4000 years that’s a mean expectation of 0.375/century with a variance of 0.375.
From a Poisson analysis you’d expect ~27 centuries without a melt, ~10 centuries with one melt year, ~2 centuries which is in reasonable agreement with the data.
The actual data re melt years is here, note before the 1889 event you have to go several centuries to find another:
http://www.gisp2.sr.unh.edu/DATA/alley1.html
I have little knowledge of ice-core science, but I have to wonder: If ice occasionally melts in Greenland and (presumably) in other places where scientists take ice-core samples, do the ice cores show evidence of such melting, and how much ice has melted?
Pat yourself on the back Anthony!!!
Front page quotes to be found at http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/07/26/skeptics-put-freeze-on-nasa-hot-air-about-greenland-ice/
“It is mind blowing that NASA would allow this self contradictory piece in the first place, and then let it go uncorrected after being notified that there’s no unprecedented event at all, and their own article citing Keegan et al says so!”
It may be mind blowing for you, Anthony, but that is only because you haven’t yet admitted that NASA is a partner in the fraud of catastrophic climate change. It is past time for you to lay down you boyish hero worship of NASA and other government agencies (NOAA, NSF, CDC, etc.) and take an honest look at what they are hiding behind their “science” mask.
As significant as the heat waves in USA and Greenland is the extreme cold in Antarctica. 20 degrees below normal.
http://notrickszone.com/2012/07/26/extremely-unusual-cold-deviation-of-20k-now-occurring-over-antarctica/
Steve Wilent says:
July 26, 2012 at 8:51 am
I have little knowledge of ice-core science, but I have to wonder: If ice occasionally melts in Greenland and (presumably) in other places where scientists take ice-core samples, do the ice cores show evidence of such melting, and how much ice has melted?
Yes, that’s where the data about Summit came from (see my earlier post). The ‘unprecedented’ aspect of the recent event is that it’s the first time that the whole surface of the ice-sheet has been observed with such a large fraction of it melting. As a result there has been serious flooding in Greenland. The implication of the core data is that if melting occurred before at Summit then the rest of the sheet surface was also melting, based on the core data it occurred once in the last 750 years or so around 1889. A cluster of similar events occurred about a thousand years ago when the insolation was higher than now.
LOL Phil! The video is entitled ‘Broen over Watson River i ruiner 12. juli 2012’ and shows a bridge over a fast flowing river. The Broen (or ‘bridge’ as I can tell) has water flowing under it. Yes, you heard that right, water under a bridge. If you watch the wide shot at 0:23 it looks as if everything is working exactly as designed. The geography shows a well-planned water channel with high embankments (where the roads and people are) and a deep channel where the annual melt-water goes.
Of course if there really was dangerously increasing melt (there isn’t) then the people could easily convert such a location from a simple bridge to a damn and harvest some of that green energy. The fact that it has not been done (well I cannot be sure from the video, I do seee what looks like poured concrete forms of some sort) tells me there isn’t enough predictable energy there to justify the cost. Try again Phil, you can do better than the proverbial water under the bridge!
And as far as my comment: “I swear, even if a glacier was rolling through their backyard it still wouldn’t stop them from their childish AGW obsessive compulsive disorder.”, I see nothing from the leftist red-green cabal or those sheeple they continually try to scare to indicate otherwise. I can easily picture a glacier parked in Mann, McKibben or Mann’s backyard while they rush to jump into a limo to bring them to their next cocktail party so as to regale their hosts with more doomsday propaganda.
Phil. says:
July 26, 2012 at 11:00 am
The ‘unprecedented’ aspect of the recent event is that it’s the first time that the whole surface of the ice-sheet has been observed with such a large fraction of it melting.
“Observed” — meaning, “direct, recorded observation” — is the key word. The proliferation of vid-capable cellphones means that a lot of phenomena that were previously reported only by word-of-mouth will get stuck with the “unprecedented” label.
…based on the core data it occurred once in the last 750 years or so around 1889. A cluster of similar events occurred about a thousand years ago when the insolation was higher than now.
Phil, your GIS link shows that melt events have been fairly cyclical over the past 4,000 years, too:
http://www.gisp2.sr.unh.edu/DATA/alley1.html
Have you done any correlation with solar cycles for that period yet?