Oh how quickly they forget. Last month, scientist David Karoly was thanking Steve McIntyre for spotting the error that led to the retraction of the Gergis et al paper:
“We would like to thank you and the participants at the ClimateAudit blog for your scrutiny of our study, which also identified this data processing issue.
Thanks, David Karoly”
Source: http://climateaudit.org/2012/06/08/gergis-et-al-put-on-hold/
This month, Karoly is writing a pal book review for Michael Mann’s Climate Wars, and its like that never happened: (bold mine)
Commentators with no scientific expertise, ranging from politicians such as Republican congressman Joe Barton from Texas, Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, or Republican Senator James Inhofe from Oklahoma, to blog writers Stephen McIntyre and Marc Morano, have repeatedly promulgated misinformation and sought to launch formal investigations into Mann’s research, claiming professional misconduct or worse, even though it had been peer reviewed and confirmed by other scientists.
McIntyre has no scientific expertise? Well he had enough expertise to find what peer reviewers missed, and with that knowledge, knocked your paper out of the running, and back to square one. If that isn’t expertise I don’t know what is.
McIntyre notices over at CA that Karoly has a peculiar personal message in a public appearance, and writes in comments: Posted Jul 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM | Permalink
Here is a picture of Karoly at the opening of the Hepburn Community Wind Farm in Victoria, Australia on November 5, 2011. The slogan on his shirt was the slogan of the radical group, the Weather Underground, in the late 1960s when I was at university. Their manifesto is here. Lots of stuff about pigs and imperialists.
McIntyre adds:
Posted Jul 10, 2012 at 10:22 PM | Permalink
Maybe it’s age-specific. For someone who grew up in the period, the phrase and the radical movement were inseparably linked. Wikipedia has an interesting article on the faction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground.
I still have my vinyl Dylan album with Subterranean Homesick Blues on it.
My counter corollary would be: “you don’t need a climatologist to tell you which way the grants flow”.
Karoly is known in Australia as an impetuous twerp with grandiose notions about himself.
His letter of thanks to McIntyre was a major surprise; now he seems to have thought better about trying to be pleasant — it doesn’t suit his personality, for one thing.
….you don’t need a psychologist to tell you who exhibits Cognitive dissonance
I bet he was glad to be opening a wind farm, I don’t know about the answer blowing in the wind -the brown smelly stuff certainly is with their ‘data processing issues’, ‘lost data issues’, ‘peer review issues’, ‘freedom of information issues’, ’email issues’, ‘science is settled issues’, ………
Seriously, Karoly is an arrogant fool. Ignore his “work”, file in the bin.
Is there some reason why Steve McIntyre can’t both spot errors and promulgate misinformation?
REPLY: Is there some reason why Karoly thanks a person for their scientific expertise, then claims they have none? – Anthony
Anyone who criticizes the “climate change” brigade can’t be considered a valid critic because he must be a non-scientist? Must be only one true science and only a select few who can determine who is a true scientist.
I’m not sure someone showing up at a Wind Farm event with the Dylan quote on his tee shirt equates with the Weathermen.
You don’t need to be a scientist to know that if your primary feed stock for a pet model is a pile of composted vegetable matter, household waste and industrial refuse your output may fall somewhat short of pearl quality.
Or, more simply – GIGO
The rear of the t-shirt reads,
‘Not to be trusted under any circumstances’
Karoly is in deep and his mates are currently bombarding the ABC viewing public with the reef is doomed. ABC cub reporter, potato head Conor Duffy has doom and gloom on full spin cycle. 2800 of the worlds most perfect experts Yah da yah da!
This man is an activist pure and simple. Unfortunately he was also a reviewer for the “attribution” chapter of the AR4.
Along with Tim Flannery, he’d be my first choice for a good old fashioned Tar n Feathering.
Aguably, the greatest service that WUWT provides is ‘scrutiny’.
Once upon a time the Warmists could get away with the most monstrous ‘inconsistencies’, you know the kind of thing, altered figures, doctored graphs and graphics, disappearing and hastily re-written web pages and press releases, ridiculous claims etc etc.
Now they know that they are being carefully monitored and that anything they say can and will be noted down and used at some future point against them. That’s why they detest WUWT so much.
Oscar Wilde once said ‘consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative’.
For the last 20 years the Warmist Scientists have allowed their collective imagination to run riot.
Time for a little consistency, which should be ‘the first objective of Science’.
David Karoly is in Australia. Back when I were a lad, I had a uni lecturer who was also a Karoly. He was as mad as a box full of bats.
I wonder if David is any relation?
The other side of the story with a mention of the Hepburn Wind farm
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2011/03/wind-energy-policy
wasn’t that the group that the unrepentant domestic terrorist david ayers was involved in? weren’t they the ones who blew up the madison wi university research building that killed some poor physics grad student back in the late 60s or early 70s?
The hypocrisy is staggering but not unsurprising.
I defer once again to the maxim that one needs no qualifications or experience whatsoever to be able to point out to someone else that they are wrong, nor will any amount of money, no matter where it comes from, change whether or not they are wrong.
Karoly is engaging in argumentum ad hominem and is an embarrassment to Australia.
It would appear that David Karoly is under the impression that the font of all human knowledge and advancement is somehow contained within a grouping called “The Scientists”. If he cared to look back through history he would find that “scientists” have had remarkably little input to our lives and are largely irrelevant.
For example, the Earth changing discoveries and inventions have mostly been made by engineers. The Aeroplane by the Wright brothers. Motor vehicles by Benz. Lenoir, Brayton etc. The maritime time piece that enabled longitudinal navigation by Harrison, Steam trains and pumps by Watt and Trevithick, Steel steam ships by Brunel are all amongst the major advances of the last few centuries. Marconi, and radio. Not a Phd to be seen anywhere. What have “scientists” given us?… The atomic bomb; penicillin by a complete accident in the lab and not much else. Merely a few refinements to lay inventors ideas.
I would suggest by the historical record that other than the ability to pontificate about pointless “discoveries” like the Higgs boson, scientists are pretty much an expensive waste of space. I will trust my heritage and my grand children’s future to the engineers and leave our erstwhile scientists such as Karoly, Mann, Gherghis khan and Hansen to argue about irrelevancies amongst themselves.
“McIntyre has no scientific expertise? Well he had enough expertise to find what peer reviewers missed”
Except it wasn’t McIntyre that found it …
REPLY: So is the claim, but unsupported by anything but “we did it first” from “the team”. Most likely a face saving ploy. – Anthony
Every grant writer, every grant provider, government, university, scientist, or everyday skeptic involved in climate research and funding needs to read the executive summary of the Fukishima Nuclear accident in Japan. The key finding was that the collusion between government, regulating agencies, and industry, where money was flowing profusely, ultimately failed the people of Japan. It is the same with climate research in my opinion.
http://www.slideshare.net/jikocho/naiic-report-hires
The insiders should read it to know that we are justified in our skeptical stance. And the skeptics should read it to know that what we are doing is right and for the better good.
The damage that collusion in climate research and governance can do must have a balancing force for the greater good of all.
this evening Aunty ABC ran a spot on the supposedly Big increase in warming happening really high temps ocean wise round aus , brief kudos to la nina for rain, but Insistence on carbons seriously and faster than forecast effects on warming.
who?
some BoM chap who really should remain nameless and preferably Jobless as well.
karoly has a competitor for Stupid along with flim flannery as well.
1st 2nd and 3rd..pick one, they all qualify.
facepalm indeed!
He looks to me like a person who Gergises up all the time. Steve McIntyre and the others probably feel that they have been savaged by a dead sheep 🙂 Sorry for the borrowed quote.
Foucault has a lot to answer for, but then most of these ego bloated fools seem to be middle class wannabees, folk who work for a living are far more pragmatic.
“Baa Humbug says:
July 11, 2012 at 4:33 am”
A waste of tar and feathers IMO. I suggest [SNIP: No. Let’s just not go there. -REP] Might perk them up to reality a bit!
David has just proven to the world he is a small, petty little man, full of himself and enjoying the fetid delusions of his very limited mind.
A perfect pal and an excellent supporter for Mikey Mann and the Team
hmmm…has anyone read the publications if Tim Barnett in the late 1990s? I have been reading him in relation to Madrid 1995. He is a lead author of Ch 8 in FAR and SAR, which were both dismissive of paleo data for establish a yardstick of climate variability upon which to compare recent (human?) warming. There is also an article eventually published in Holocene in 1996 (with Santer as one of the authors) that was pretty much the basis for the scepticism of SAR chapter 8 before Santer made the final changes after Madrid.
Anyway, a whole bunch of mostly IPCC affiliated detection and attribution experts lead by Barnett (including Santer) published a Status report in 1999:
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/bibliography/related_files/barnett9901.pdf
It contained a graph comparing 3 paleo graphs published in 1998 by Jones et al, Briffa, and Mann et al with a scathing commentrary:
The graph is reproduced here:
http://enthusiasmscepticismscience.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/madrid-1995-and-the-quest-for-the-mirror-in-the-sky-part-ii/1999_barrnett_status_report_3proxyrecon_northhemionly-2/
A few editions of Holocene later and three of the paleo folks (including Mann) publish a very reactionary reply.
Considering what was happening in the science at the time just makes you aware how willfully ignorant or down right deceitful are such public statements as this by Karoly. What makes it worse here is that Karoly was right there in the midst of all this research. It is hard to imagine that he was not aware that there were serious problems with Mann’s work, and that it could hardly be considered any more groundbreaking that Jones or Briffa’s rather less alarming findings.
John,
It was Jean S and Steve McIntyre that found it. Go to Climate Audit and read the threads on Gergis and see the timelines.
Karoly lied, as usual.
And Karoly has a track record of stating blatant falsehoods. Go read his review about Mann’s book and see what kind of a person he is.