A Blast From The Past: James Hansen on 'The Global Warming Debate' from 13 years ago

Guest post by Floyd Doughty

Some years ago when I was investigating the climate change issue in my spare time, I ran across a short article by James Hansen on the GISS website under “Education Resource Materials”, dated January, 1999. James Hansen is arguably the father of modern Anthropogenic Global Warming dogma. So I saved the web page for future reference because of some of the predictions contained within it, as well as the incredibly balanced and well-reasoned attitude expressed regarding the philosophy of scientific investigation. We could all benefit from Dr. Hansen’s wisdom. For example,

“Skepticism thus plays an essential role in scientific research, and, far from trying to silence skeptics, science invites their contributions. So too, the global warming debate benefits from traditional scientific skepticism”.

And another gem:

“Although scientists have a right to express personal opinions related to policy issues, it seems to me that we can be of more use by focusing on the science and carrying that out with rigorous objectivity. That approach seems to be essential for the success, as well as the “fun”, of scientific research”.

Given what has transpired in the intervening 13 years, it is not surprising that I can no longer find the article on the GISS site (but I may not have dug deeply enough). Therefore, I am making my copy of the article available to you for your reading pleasure. There is such a wealth of fascinating statements contained in this short document, it is impossible to decide where to begin. I suspect others will find numerous points to comment on. By the way, the embedded link to Dr. Hansen’s book review is still working, and I found that to be an interesting read as well.

I found Dr. Hansen’s chart of projected global temperature anomalies intriguing, particularly in light of the observational record of the last decade:

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This chart, as displayed in the January, 1999 document, is a replica of the global temperature projections, considering three scenarios that Dr. Hansen presented during his celebrated 1988 United States Senate testimony, but updated with the actual observed GISS temperature record as of 1998.

Scenario A represented projected global temperatures assuming “a fast growth rate for greenhouse gases”. Scenarios B and C “have a moderate growth rate for greenhouse gases until year 2000, after which greenhouse gases stop increasing in Scenario C”. I thought it might be enlightening, or at least entertaining, to compare the current GISS global temperature record with what was presented in January, 1999. The “… traditional analysis … global annual-mean surface air temperature change …” data series was downloaded from

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/ (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A.txt)

This time series was plotted in Microsoft Excel. Unfortunately, time series data values that were used to produce the original chart did not seem to be available. Therefore, the Excel chart of the current GISS global temperature record was rather crudely scaled and overlain onto an image of the original chart, with the following result:

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The data shown in red are from the original image published in 1999. The blue points are what are currently available for download at the GISS website. The slight apparent time shift in the vertical grid lines was necessary because, for some reason, Dr. Hansen originally plotted yearly averages between tick marks rather than centered on tick marks. The vertical scales have not been altered, and are as exact as I can make them with the manual overlay. The blue observational data points seem to roughly lie between Dr. Hansen’s Scenario B (moderate, continued growth rate in greenhouse gases) and Scenario C (moderate growth rate in greenhouse gases until year 2000, after which greenhouse gases stop increasing). Interestingly, the data currently available for download (blue) seem to be indicating a slightly warmer trend than what was presented in 1999 (red). After manually applying a slight downward bulk shift (or “bias”) to the overlay of the current record (blue), the two time series seem to be in slightly better agreement:

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It seems the historical GISS temperature record has been somewhat altered, or “adjusted” since January of 1999, such that historical global temperature anomaly values are now slightly more positive than what was published at that time. Perhaps a base line change was applied to the data since the 1999 article. But data after 1988 appear to be “adjusted” to a greater extent than data prior to 1988. Well, it is what it is, and the best we can do is to calibrate the current GISS temperature time series to the years prior to 1988, under the charitable assumption that perhaps the points that were added to the original 1988 chart in the 1999 article were accidentally mis-posted.

Now that the current version of historical temperature measurements are approximately calibrated to the historic record as presented by Dr. Hansen to the United States Senate in 1988, it seems that the GISS record in the years following 1988 have roughly approximated Dr. Hansen’s Scenario C. But wait – that scenario was a projection of temperature variations assuming greenhouse gases stop increasing after the year 2000. Did I miss something? Was the IPCC wildly successful after all?

It is also illustrative to compare Dr. Hansen’s 1988 prediction with the satellite record. UAH NCDC temperature data from analyses by Roy Spencer and John Christy was downloaded from Dr. Spencer’s website:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures (http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt)

Since these data are monthly averages of global temperature derived from satellite measurements, the global temperature data series was further averaged over each calendar year to enable direct comparison with the raw, currently available GISS data. The UAH NCDC chart was then manually scaled and bulk shifted in order to calibrate with the original 1999 GISS data (since the base periods for the two data sets are different). The result of this crude scaling exercise is shown with the UAH NCDC data in green, compared with the current, unbiased GISS data in blue:

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After applying the manual bulk shift to compensate for the different base line periods, it appears that the satellite data agree reasonably well with the current, unbiased GISS surface station data – except for the trend, as others have pointed out. GISS estimates since 1998 seem to be consistently higher than the UAH NCDC satellite estimates. More accurately stated (since the calibration was visual only), the GISS trend appears more positive than the UAH NCDC satellite data trend. Interesting. Now it looks like Dr. Hansen’s Scenario C global temperature forecast that he presented to the United States Senate in 1988 was amazingly accurate, according to the satellite-derived global temperature record. That is truly a remarkable achievement. So now let’s employ a bit of faulty logic that is similar to that which is routinely applied by AGW proponents: “The observational data fit the model, so the model must be accurate”. Anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions must have ceased in the year 2000. And I missed it. Rats.

In the interest of full disclosure, I must unambiguously state that I am a state board-certified Professional Geophysicist nearing retirement after more than 38 years spent in the search for new oil and gas reserves. As such, AGW proponents may simply dismiss my comments as the ravings of an “oil company shill”. There is no statement that I can swear to that would convince them otherwise. So be it. The truth is that the observations, opinions, and views I have expressed are the result of independent critical thought, are strictly my own, and do not in any way represent those of my employer, the oil industry in general, or any other entities.

Floyd Doughty

May 10, 2012

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Source – the Wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20010223232940/http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
The Global Warming Debate

By James Hansen — January 1999

The only way to have real success in science … is to describe the evidence very carefully without regard to the way you feel it should be. If you have a theory, you must try to explain what’s good about it and what’s bad about it equally. In science you learn a kind of standard integrity and honesty. — Richard Feynman

In my view, we are not doing as well as we could in the global warming debate. For one thing, we have failed to use the opportunity to help teach the public about how science research works. On the contrary, we often appear to the public to be advocates of fixed adversarial positions. Of course, we can try to blame this on the media and politicians, with their proclivities to focus on antagonistic extremes. But that doesn’t really help.

The fun in science is to explore a topic from all angles and figure out how something works. To do this well, a scientist learns to be open-minded, ignoring prejudices that might be imposed by religious, political or other tendencies (Galileo being a model of excellence). Indeed, science thrives on repeated challenge of any interpretation, and there is even special pleasure in trying to find something wrong with well-accepted theory. Such challenges eventually strengthen our understanding of the subject, but it is a never-ending process as answers raise more questions to be pursued in order to further refine our knowledge.

Skepticism thus plays an essential role in scientific research, and, far from trying to silence skeptics, science invites their contributions. So too, the global warming debate benefits from traditional scientific skepticism.

I have argued in a recent book review that some “greenhouse skeptics” subvert the scientific process, ceasing to act as objective scientists, rather presenting only one side, as if they were lawyers hired to defend a particular viewpoint. But some of the topics focused on by the skeptics are recognized as legitimate research questions, and also it is fair to say that the injection of environmental, political and religious perspectives in midstream of the science research has occurred from both sides in the global warming debate.

So, what to do? Most scientists are willing to spend part of their time communicating with the public about how science works. And they should be: after all, the financial support for most research is provided ultimately by the public. But one quickly learns that such communication is not easy, at least not for many of us.

In late 1998, I was asked to debate the well-known greenhouse skeptic Dr. Patrick Michaels of the University of Virginia. I summarize here some key points in the debate, “A Public Debate on the Science of Global Warming”, held at the New York Hilton, Nov. 20, 1998, and organized by the American Association for the Rhetoric of Science and Technology. A copy of my entire contribution may be downloaded as a PDF document (Note: This document is 597 kB and requires a special viewer such as the free Adobe Reader.).

I agreed to participate in this debate with Dr. Michaels after learning that he had used (or misused) a figure of mine in testimony to the United States Congress. The figure showed the first predictions made with a 3-D climate model and time-dependent climate forcings — it was a figure from a paper that we had published in the Journal of Geophysical Research in 1988 and it had been a principal basis for testimony that I gave to the United States Senate in 1988.

The figure that we published is reproduced here as Fig. 1.

Figure 1

Fig. 1: Climate model calculations reported in Hansen et al. (1988).

It shows the simulated global mean temperature for three climate forcing scenarios. Scenario A has a fast growth rate for greenhouse gases. Scenarios B and C have a moderate growth rate for greenhouse gases until year 2000, after which greenhouse gases stop increasing in Scenario C. Scenarios B and C also included occasional large volcanic eruptions, while scenario A did not. The objective was to illustrate the broad range of possibilities in the ignorance of how forcings would actually develop. The extreme scenarios (A with fast growth and no volcanos, and C with terminated growth of greenhouse gases) were meant to bracket plausible rates of change. All of the maps of simulated climate change that I showed in my 1988 testimony were for the intermediate scenario B, because it seemed the most likely of the three scenarios.

But when Pat Michaels testified to congress in 1998 and showed our 1988 predictions (Fig. 1) he erased the curves for scenarios B and C, and showed the result only for scenario A. He then argued that, since the real world temperature had not increased as fast as this model calculation, the climate model was faulty and there was no basis for concern about climate change, specifically concluding that the Kyoto Protocol was “a useless appendage to an irrelevant treaty”.

Although scientists have a right to express personal opinions related to policy issues, it seems to me that we can be of more use by focusing on the science and carrying that out with rigorous objectivity. That approach seems to be essential for the success, as well as the “fun”, of scientific research.

Fig. 1 is a good case in point. We now know (Hansen et al. 1998a, 1998b) that the growth rate of greenhouse gases in the period 1988-1998 has been flat, very similar to scenarios B and C (which are nearly the same until year 2000). Thus we can compare real world temperature changes in the past decade (filled circles in Fig. 1) with model calculations for the B-C scenarios. Taking account of the fact that the real world volcano occurred in 1991, rather than 1995 as assumed in the model, it is apparent that the model did a good job of predicting global temperature change. But the period of comparison is too short and the climate change too small compared to natural variability for the comparison to provide a meaningful check on the model’s sensitivity to climate forcings. With data from another decade we will be able to make a much clearer evaluation of the model.

As the opinions in the global warming debate do not seem to be converging, it seems to me that one useful thing that can be done is to clearly delineate the fundamental differences. Then, as our scientific understanding advances over the next several years, we can achieve more convincing evaluations of the global warming issue. (Stated less generously, this is a way to pin down those who keep changing their arguments.)

Table 1 summarizes chief differences that I delineated for the sake of a discussion with Richard Lindzen, who has provided the intellectual underpinnings for the greenhouse skeptics, in October 1998. I also used this list (Table 1) as the principal fodder for my “affirmative closing argument” in the debate with Pat Michaels.

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Table 1. Key Differences with Skeptics

1. Observed global warming: real or measurement problem?

Hansen: global warming is 0.5-0.75°C in past century, at least ~0.3°C in past 25 years.

Lindzen: since about 1850 “…more likely … 0.1±0.3°C” (MIT Tech Talk, 34, #7, 1989).

2. Climate sensitivity (equilibrium response to 2xCO2)

Lindzen: ~< 1°C

Hansen: 3±1°C

Comments: paleoclimate data, improved climate models, and process studies may narrow uncertainties; observed climate change on decadal time scales will provide constraint if climate forcings are measured; implicit information on climate sensitivity can be extracted from observed changes in ocean heat storage.

3. Water vapor feedback

Lindzen: negative, upper tropospheric water vapor decreases with global warming.

Hansen: positive, upper and lower tropospheric water vapor increase with global warming.

References: (these include references by Lindzen stating that, in response to global warming, water vapor will decrease at altitudes above 2-3 km).

Comment: accurate observations of interannual changes (several years) and long-term changes (1-2 decades) of upper tropospheric water vapor could provide defining data.

4. CO2 contribution to the ~33°C natural greenhouse effect

Lindzen: “Even if all other greenhouse gases (such as carbon dioxide and methane) were to disappear, we would still be left with over 98 percent of the current greenhouse effect.” Cato Review, Spring issue, 87-98, 1992; “If all CO2 were removed from the atmosphere, water vapor and clouds would still provide almost all of the present greenhouse effect.” Res. Explor. 9, 191-200, 1993.

Lacis and Hansen: removing CO2, with water vapor kept fixed, would cool the Earth 5-10°C; removing CO2 and trace gases with water vapor allowed to respond would remove most of the natural greenhouse effect.

5. When will global warming and climate change be obvious?

Lindzen: I personally feel that the likelihood over the next century of greenhouse warming reaching magnitudes comparable to natural variability remains small.

Hansen: “With the climatological probability of a hot summer represented by two faces (say painted red) of a six-faced die, judging from our model by the 1990s three or four of the six die faces will be red. It seems to us that this is a sufficient ‘loading’ of the dice that it will be noticeable to the man in the street.” J. Geophys. Res. 93, 9341-9364, 1988.

6. Planetary disequilibrium

Hansen: Earth is out of radiative equilibrium with space by at least approximately 0.5 W/m2 (absorbing more energy than it emits).

Comments: This is the most fundamental measure of the state of the greenhouse effect. Because the disequilibrium is a product of the long response time of the climate system, which in turn is a strong function of climate sensitivity, confirmation of the disequilibrium provides information on climate sensitivity and an indication of how much additional global warming is “in the pipeline” due to gases already added to the atmosphere.

This disequilibrium could be measured as the sum of the rate of heat storage in the ocean plus the net energy going into the melting of ice. Existing technology, including very precise measurements of ocean and ice sheet topography, could provide this information.

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Differences 1 (reality of global warming) and 2 (climate sensitivity) are very fundamental. From my perspective, strong evidence is already accumulating that weighs heavily against the skeptics contentions that there is no significant global warming and that climate sensitivity is low. These issues will become even clearer over the next several years.

Difference 3 (water vapor feedback) is related to climate sensitivity, but is so fundamental that it deserves specific attention. The topic has resisted definitive empirical evaluation, because of the poor state of water vapor measurements and the fact that tropospheric temperature change has been small in the past 20 years. Ozone depletion, which affects upper tropospheric temperatures, has also complicated this problem. This situation will change if, as I would anticipate, ozone depletion flattens and global temperature continues to rise.

Difference 4 has an academic flavor, and is perhaps not worth special efforts. But it illustrates a lack of understanding of the basic greenhouse mechanism by Lindzen.

Difference 5 is fundamental because substantial efforts to curb global warming may require that climate change first be apparent to people. If our assessments are right, we are in fact on the verge of warming being noticeable to the perceptive person-in-the-street. (See related material Global Temperature Trends and the Common Sense Climate Index.)

Difference 6, concerning the planetary “disequilibrium” (imbalance between incoming and outgoing radiation) is the most fundamental measure of the state of the anthropogenic greenhouse effect. The disequilibrium should exist if climate sensitivity is as high (and thus the ocean thermal response time so long) as we estimate, and if increasing greenhouse gases are the dominant climate forcing mechanism. We have presented evidence (Hansen et al. 1997) of a disequilibrium of at least 0.5 W/m2. This imbalance is the basis by which we could predict that record global temperatures would occur within a few years, that the 1990s would be warmer than the 1980s, and that the first decade of next century will be warmer than the 1990s, despite the existence of natural climate variability. I do not know of a reference where Lindzen specifically addresses planetary radiation imbalance, but his positions regarding climate sensitivity and the ocean response time clearly imply a smaller, negligible imbalance.

The important point is that the planetary radiation imbalance is measurable, via the ocean temperature, because the only place this excess energy can go is into the ocean and, probably to a less extent, into the melting of ice. If our estimates are approximately right, this heat storage should not escape detection during the next several years.

In summary, all of these issues are ones that the scientific community potentially can make progress on in the near future, if they receive appropriate attention. The real global warming debate, in the sense of traditional science, can be resolved to a large extent in a reasonable time.

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dougetit
May 12, 2012 12:05 am

dougetit says:
May 11, 2012 at 11:18 pm: Oops.. Just noticed I omitted the word Increase in “basically a straight line since the” Sorry.

May 12, 2012 12:26 am

Eric Adler
…..is slowing the increase in temperature.
Henry says
Sorry to spoil the party again. You got it all wrong as to the real reason….
It is the maximum temperatures dropping that is the problem,
http://www.letterdash.com/henryp/global-cooling-is-here
It must be to do with something to do with the sun?>
Initially I had been thinking that it (i.e. the drop in maxima) could also be caused by increasing cloud formation but then one would expect global RH% increasing, and not dropping, as is being observed.
Eitherway, eventually that drop in maxima is going to work its way down and realize a change in means and minima, as is also already somewhat observable.
Maxima is defintely the better variable to use to evaluate whether we are in a global warming or global cooling state.
.

richardscourtney
May 12, 2012 1:25 am

Eric Adler:
With reference to sulphate aerosol cooling (at May 11, 2012 at 10:22 am) you assert;
“We didnt know these things in 1998 but are aware of them now.”
That is a falsehood.
The sulphate aerosol cooling was then being adopted as a ‘fudge factor’ in the climate models as a method to overcome the models ‘running hot’ (i.e. indicating more global warming over the twentieth century than was observed).
Indeed, in 1999 I published a peer-reviewed paper that showed this ‘aerosol fix’ was not correct and the aerosol hypothesis could not be the real reason why the models ‘run hot’.
(ref. Courtney RS An assessment of validation experiments conducted on computer models of global climate using the general circulation model of the UK’s Hadley Centre Energy & Environment, Volume 10, Number 5, pp. 491-502, September 1999).
And before you blather about 1999 is after 1998, I point out that it would have been impossible to obtain the data, conduct the analysis and publish the paper in less than a year.
Richard

Myrrh
May 12, 2012 1:53 am

Babsy says:
May 11, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Myrrh says:
May 11, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I’ve been thinking. You know, it was a good thing that the Apollo 13 crew had an excess of CO2 in their spacecraft because if that hadn’t occurred they would have frozen to death on their trip back home. The extra CO2 on board kept them warm. Since CO2 warms the atmosphere, I mean. It truly is the Magic Gas, is it not?
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I’m still waiting for Warmists to show how it can be backradiated into my central heating system..
I’ve been thinking lately that Latour was far too polite in his “No Virginia” rebuttal to Spencer. These people might well be able to impress with their use of esoteric mathematical symbols and number crunching, but their magical mystery mumbo jumbo is science incompetence and is embarrassing to watch..

Philip Bradley
May 12, 2012 2:01 am

Initially I had been thinking that it (i.e. the drop in maxima) could also be caused by increasing cloud formation but then one would expect global RH% increasing, and not dropping, as is being observed.
Increasing clouds with decreasing relative humidity is the signature of aerosol (and GCR?) cloud seeding.
BTW Henry, there’s no hyphen in inland.

Myrrh
May 12, 2012 2:18 am

Real physics versus mumbo jumbo:
http://www.slayingtheskydragon.com/en/blog/185-no-virginia-cooler-objects-cannot-make-warmer-objects-even-warmer-still
“Pierre R Latour, PE, PhD Chemical Process Control Systems Engineer rebuts Dr. Roy Spencer’s article,’Yes, Virginia, Cooler Objects Can Make Warmer Objects Even Warmer Still’ (published July 23, 2010). [1.]
“I have admired and learned from Roy Spencer’s work on AGW & GHG for several years. He taught me a lot. He is well recognized in his field. Now I write to return the favor and teach him about the errors in his posting and how he can learn from my field.”
“Blankets, coats and gloves reduce the rate of heat loss from one’s body, and hence the required shivering metabolism rate to maintain 37°C. They do not warm cold stones. To confirm my opening sentence, turn a fan on. You feel cooling because the fan increases the convective heat transfer coefficient at your skin, increasing Q at constant T. You feel increase in Q. Besides your experiment is about radiant energy transfer only, you ruled out conduction and convection, so the blanket conduction analogy is invalid if radiant and heat transfer are different mechanisms. Radiant energy transfer does not work the same way as conductive & convective heat transfer, as you know. Energy from colder cannot heat hotter further because the second law of thermodynamics says so, because nature says so; always and everywhere.”
“Energy from colder cannot heat hotter further because the second law of thermodynamics says so, because nature says so; always and everywhere.

May 12, 2012 4:52 am

Philip Bradley says
Increasing clouds with decreasing relative humidity is the signature of aerosol (and GCR?) cloud seeding.
BTW Henry, there’s no hyphen in inland.
Henry says:
Sorry about all the hyphens. I checked. You are right. Thx.
Dropping temperatures, as observed by me in maxima, means and minima
http://www.letterdash.com/henryp/global-cooling-is-here
must mean that the air is cooling. Cooler air absorbs less moisture, or rather: cooler air drops more humidity out of the atmosphere as water (l). Initially this gives some warmth but eventually less humidity in the air means less GHG in the air. Now, unlike the CO2, we know for sure that water vapor is a GHG. So, as the cooling from the sun becomes more evident so the cooling is further enhanced and accelerated by more water vapor dropping out of the atmosphere. That is why I am worried that we could already be cooling by more than we think.

Eric Adler
May 12, 2012 1:09 pm

HenryP says:
May 12, 2012 at 12:26 am
“Eric Adler
…..is slowing the increase in temperature.
Henry says
Sorry to spoil the party again. You got it all wrong as to the real reason….
It is the maximum temperatures dropping that is the problem,
http://www.letterdash.com/henryp/global-cooling-is-here
It must be to do with something to do with the sun?>
Initially I had been thinking that it (i.e. the drop in maxima) could also be caused by increasing cloud formation but then one would expect global RH% increasing, and not dropping, as is being observed.”
The short term reduction in the rate of warming we have seen recently seems to due to a number of phenomena – La Ninas, reduction in solar activity and aerosols. A recent paper by Foster and Rahmsdorf did regression analysis of the global temperature analysis against those variables and found a trend which would be expected from GHG forcing reappeared.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/the-real-global-warming-signal/
“Eitherway, eventually that drop in maxima is going to work its way down and realize a change in means and minima, as is also already somewhat observable.
Maxima is defintely the better variable to use to evaluate whether we are in a global warming or global cooling state.”
In fact the increases in average temperature during the last 40 years have been driven by increase in minimum temperatures. This is consistent with forcing being due to GHG’s, which cause an increase in minimum nightime temperatures due to the reduction in the escape of heat from the earth atmosphere system. . Even when the temperature dropped due to global dimming in the 1960’s, the minimum nightime temperature was increasing. Even when aerosols decreased in the 80’s and 90’s, and more sunlight was reaching the earth, the GHG warming was sufficiently strong to make the minimum nightime temperature increase faster than the maximum temperature.
http://www.iac.ethz.ch/people/wild/2006GL028031.pdf

Eric Adler
May 12, 2012 1:27 pm

Myrrh says:
May 12, 2012 at 2:18 am
“….Energy from colder cannot heat hotter further because the second law of thermodynamics says so, because nature says so; always and everywhere.
Your understanding of the physics of the Greenhouse Effect is so screwed up it seems hopeless to comment, but I will try to enlighten others who may be confused by your comment. The Greenhouse effect doesn’t occur by net flow of heat from cooler air to the surface of the earth. There is no NET FLOW of energy from colder to hotter regions happening, which would be prohibited by the second law of thermodynamics.
What happens is that the rate o fCOOLING of the earth’s surface is reduced by the presence of gases which absorb outgoing radiation and send a portion of it back to the earth by radiating what they absorbed equally in all directions. The rate of cooling is reduced below what it would be if the radiation were totally transmitted directly to outer space. The gases do not actually heat the earth, which would violate the second law, but reduce the rate of cooling as a result of their presence. Less radiation is returned to the earth by GHG’s than was emitted by the warmer surface of the earth. Thus the second law of thermodynamics is not violated by the greenhouse effect.
It is unfortunate that you keep posting misinformation which has the potential to mislead the unwary.

Eric Adler
May 12, 2012 1:33 pm

richardscourtney says:
May 12, 2012 at 1:25 am
Eric Adler:
With reference to sulphate aerosol cooling (at May 11, 2012 at 10:22 am) you assert;
“We didnt know these things in 1998 but are aware of them now.””
What I said was the extent to which sulphate aerosal emissions would increase as a result of Asian economic development was not anticipated. The fact that Sulphate Aerosals have a cooling effect was well known by James Hansen, who modeled the effect when he began his career studying the atmosphere of Venus.

Eric Adler
May 12, 2012 1:40 pm

HenryP says:
May 12, 2012 at 4:52 am
Why should we use the 44 weather stations we selected, rather than HADCRUT, GISS , NCDC or data sets?
These are far more complete than yours!
They don’t show that the earth has a real cooling trend currently.

Eric Adler
May 12, 2012 1:52 pm

richardscourtney says:
May 12, 2012 at 1:25 am
“Indeed, in 1999 I published a peer-reviewed paper that showed this ‘aerosol fix’ was not correct and the aerosol hypothesis could not be the real reason why the models ‘run hot’.
(ref. Courtney RS An assessment of validation experiments conducted on computer models of global climate using the general circulation model of the UK’s Hadley Centre Energy & Environment, Volume 10, Number 5, pp. 491-502, September 1999).
And before you blather about 1999 is after 1998, I point out that it would have been impossible to obtain the data, conduct the analysis and publish the paper in less than a year.
Richard”
Energy and Environment is not really [SNIP: Eric, don’t even think of going there. You’ve gotten extraordinary latitude here and you are pushing it. Put forth substantive arguments or get lost. -REP]

May 12, 2012 2:11 pm

Eric Adler says:
“Energy and Environment is not really a peer reviewed journal.”
E&E really is a peer reviewed journal. Adler expressing his ignorance again by repeating false talking points. The guy can’t think for himself.
Furthermore, E&E is far more honest than most climate Pal Review journals. Montford’s The Hockey Stick Illusion spells out in detail the corruption of the climate journal industry. But Adler won’t read Montford’s book, because it would make his head explode.

richardscourtney
May 12, 2012 2:14 pm

Eric Adler:
In your post at May 12, 2012 at 1:25 am you lie;
“Energy and Environment is not really a peer reviewed journal. ”
IT IS.
I am now on the Editorial Board of E&E and so I know as a certain fact that E&E has a much more stringent peer review system than e.g. Nature and Science.
And if your lie were not a falsehood then that would not change the fact that you said the info. was not known in 1998 but the publication date of my paper proves that the info, was then known and was incorporated in at least one climate model..
I really do wish there was a way to cut-off the pay from the trolls now infesting WUWT. As your post proves, some of you are not even competent as trolls.
Richard

richardscourtney
May 12, 2012 2:42 pm

Eric Adler:
Having cooled down a bit following my reading your outrage at May 12, 2012 at 1:25, I am now responding to your daft post at May 12, 2012 at 1:33 pm.
Firstly, your making the two posts in reply to my one suggests you recognise that I had proven your assertion was wrong. One reply would have been enough to disprove my point if you thought you could.
Secondly, your post at May 12, 2012 at 1:25 ‘moves the goal posts’. You said the sulphate aerosol effects “were not known” in 1998 and when I showed they were incorporated in at least one climate model you have changed that (in your post at May 12, 2012 at 1:25) to be;
“What I said was the extent to which sulphate aerosal emissions would increase as a result of Asian economic development was not anticipated.”
No, that was not what you said. Indeed, if you had said that then it would have been wrong because
fourthly, Hansen’s 1998 forecast was a projection of anticipated climate change from increased emissions of anthropogenic GHGs notably CO2. The CO2 emission increase happened because of Asian coal burning: where else was it supposed to have happened? And that coal burning released the aerosols.
Fifthly, the putative aerosol cooling should have caused localised cooling over China because the aerosol washes out of the air in days. But that cooling has not happened so the aerosol excuse is known to be wrong.
I could cite my paper that reports the nonsense of the SRES scenarios, but you would be unlikely to understand that and I have said sufficient to show your assertions are wrong, so I will stop here.
Richard

Chuck Wiese
May 12, 2012 3:48 pm

Eric Adler said: “In fact the increases in average temperature during the last 40 years have been driven by increase in minimum temperatures. This is consistent with forcing being due to GHG’s, which cause an increase in minimum nightime temperatures due to the reduction in the escape of heat from the earth atmosphere system. . Even when the temperature dropped due to global dimming in the 1960′s, the minimum nightime temperature was increasing. Even when aerosols decreased in the 80′s and 90′s, and more sunlight was reaching the earth, the GHG warming was sufficiently strong to make the minimum nightime temperature increase faster than the maximum temperature.”
Eric: You are wrong about this, too. Your paper’s references do not cite where the data comes from that shows minimum temperatures to be increasing but I already know where the increases are coming from. Most of the stations warmers like to use to make their fake claims about CO2 come from using urban settings where additional urbanization has occured over time, thus increasing the UHI effect. This is a well known and understood phenomena that was studied yeras ago.
But if you look at rural stations where surface conditions have remained unchanged and unurbanized with time, there has been no warming of minimum temperatures and a clear cooling trend has emerged. Three such stations that show this trend are the Corvallis, OR agrimet station, the Idaho National Engineering lab and Hanford Washington. Atmospheric Co2 increased in these places just like any others globally but there is no minimum warming signal. These records completely falsify the claims of Foster and Rahmsdorf as well as yourself about CO2 and the claims that it is driving minimum temperatures upward. The sloppiness and selective use of data by you people is truly disgusting. It is an outrage! YOU and the other warmers are the ones manipulating statistics to get a desired result and to continue to cover up your incompetence. See the references below:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/marka/inl_cfa.1950-2011.png
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/marka/hanford.png
http://democratherald.com/news/opinion/editorial/climate-predictions-versus-what-we-see/article_6ccdd584-70b3-11e1-a0ba-001871e3ce6c.html

Philip Bradley
May 12, 2012 5:48 pm

HenryP says:
May 12, 2012 at 4:52 am
Dropping temperatures, as observed by me in maxima, means and minima
http://www.letterdash.com/henryp/global-cooling-is-here
must mean that the air is cooling. Cooler air absorbs less moisture, or rather: cooler air drops more humidity out of the atmosphere as water (l). Initially this gives some warmth but eventually less humidity in the air means less GHG in the air.

Cooler air and less humidity means less heat transport by convection and less heat lost upwards to space, and hence climate warming. The hydrological cycle regulates the climate.
A couple of days ago I pointed out at Warwick Hughes site that the conventional explanation for UHI is likely wrong, because cities generally have a higher albedo than surrounding areas. The cause of UHI is likely reduced evapotranspiration.
Which suggests that the most important anthropogenic effect on climate, particularly land surface temperatures, isn’t through GHGs, but through manipulation of the hydrological cycle, irrigation, storm drains, dams, etc.

Chuck Wiese
May 12, 2012 8:28 pm

Philip Bradley: I think it is an accurate assessment of yours that UHI will increase as a result of decreased evapotranspiration in the urban environment but remember, that is still a local effect. Water vapor as a GHG is very powerful, intercepting IR at most of the wavenumbers of infrared from the ground. If you decrease the absolute humidity of the troposphere, radiational cooling at the water vapor upper boundary will most suredly increase as it will occur at a lower altitude. That cannot go without a consequence of increasing radiational cooling of the ground as well, which would have to increase low level cloudiness. Not good for a waming case inspite of the 85 Wm-2 of surface energy that is given back to the troposphere from the hydro cycle at its current level.
I would bet the cloudier lower levels would block more incoming solar shortwave rather than increase it compared to the amount of heat gained at the surface by a reduction in global precipitation. For example, in rough numbers, if the effective emission height of the earth is lowered by 1 Km from a lower absolute tropospheric humidity, the increase in OLR from the surface would go up by over 20Wm-2. A very large amount. There would be a defininate unspooling effect of cooling temperature from that process and it would have to end up blocking more solar IR from a much higher lower tropospheric relative humidity. It would make sense that earth glacial periods had a lot of lower clouds and fogs compared to interglacials, but regardless, changes in radiational components of the earth would have a much faster effect on changing temperature than the hydro cycle. That would just follow the change in available surface energy to evaporate water which the hydro cycle also self regulates in a positive or negative direction depending on whether the surface is warming or cooling by radiation, but the direction would be a positive feedback to radiation and temperature. The upper limit on temperature constrained by the vapor pressure of the tropical oceans and the respective saturation vapor pressure of the air over lying it ( which increases evaporation from increasing sea surface temperature, which produces more latent heat near 30 degC than sensible and increases the hydro cycle, not water vapor, as the increased vapor also causes radiational cooling of the troposphere in exchange for the surface GH effect, enhancing convection, therefore increasing cloud amount and or thickness as you point out, thus increasing moist convection and precipitation, which takes the vapor back out and hence, more blocked solar shortwave and thus, the constrained balance from available solar shortwave and GH effect. ) and the lower limit by some sort of balance that would be obtained by decreasing OLR from increased cloudiness vs. available solar shortwave.
So to summarize, what I’m stating as a meteorologist to you is that the hydological cycle definately acts to amplify or deamplify warmimg or cooling as you state and it does help set the uppper and lower constraints by self regulating the positive feedbacks, but the change in radiation components dictate whether the climate warms or cools and that can include any change in radiation off of the sun from infrared wavelengths up through ultraviolet, as well as the increase or decrease in the solar wind that modulates the amount of inter galactic cosmic ray flux into the atmosphere, which according to Henrick Svensmark, changes the ionization of hyroscopic nuclei that can modulate the cloud to water vapor balance irrespective of the actual change in solar irradiance absorbed at the ground.
By the way, CO2 doesn’t add much if any warming because it also causes radiational cooling of the troposphere in exchange for a higher emission height. That counter acts the growth of water vapor by lowering the tropospheric saturation vapor pressure of water…the exact opposite of what Lacis and Hansen keep claiming and a counter reaction to the increased radiative absorption by the gas if it goes up in concentration.
PDO, ENSO and La Nina have variations to the above, but it seems as though the effects of global warming and cooling are more related into how increases in tropical convection cause changes in the jet stream and redistribution of precipitation patterns. For example, in the Pacific Northwest, ENSO brings a sunnier, dryer winter and shuns the polar jet stream further east and north. The net effect is warmer temperatures. Somehow that theme dominates the world climate to favor some warming. Likewise, in La Nina and cold phase PDO, lessened tropical convection and the likes do the opposite, expanding the dominance of the polar jet and causing some cooling by expansion of the southward reaches of the polar jet.
OK. Off my soap box and done. Hope these explanations help some ( even though you didn’t ask for them 😀 )

Eric Adler
May 12, 2012 8:48 pm

Chuck Wiese says:
May 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm
“Eric Adler said: “In fact the increases in average temperature during the last 40 years have been driven by increase in minimum temperatures. This is consistent with forcing being due to GHG’s, which cause an increase in minimum nightime temperatures due to the reduction in the escape of heat from the earth atmosphere system. . Even when the temperature dropped due to global dimming in the 1960′s, the minimum nightime temperature was increasing. Even when aerosols decreased in the 80′s and 90′s, and more sunlight was reaching the earth, the GHG warming was sufficiently strong to make the minimum nightime temperature increase faster than the maximum temperature.”
Eric: You are wrong about this, too. Your paper’s references do not cite where the data comes from that shows minimum temperatures to be increasing but I already know where the increases are coming from. Most of the stations warmers like to use to make their fake claims about CO2 come from using urban settings where additional urbanization has occured over time, thus increasing the UHI effect. This is a well known and understood phenomena that was studied yeras ago.
But if you look at rural stations where surface conditions have remained unchanged and unurbanized with time, there has been no warming of minimum temperatures and a clear cooling trend has emerged. Three such stations that show this trend are the Corvallis, OR agrimet station, the Idaho National Engineering lab and Hanford Washington. Atmospheric Co2 increased in these places just like any others globally but there is no minimum warming signal. These records completely falsify the claims of Foster and Rahmsdorf as well as yourself about CO2 and the claims that it is driving minimum temperatures upward. The sloppiness and selective use of data by you people is truly disgusting. It is an outrage! YOU and the other warmers are the ones manipulating statistics to get a desired result and to continue to cover up your incompetence. See the references below:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/marka/inl_cfa.1950-2011.png
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/marka/hanford.png
http://democratherald.com/news/opinion/editorial/climate-predictions-versus-what-we-see/article_6ccdd584-70b3-11e1-a0ba-001871e3ce6c.html
You must be joking. You use 2 temperature stations in the US that show mean temperatures to make counter an argument that global temperature minimim nightime temperatures have been rising faster than maximum temperatures! Using 3 stations in the Northwestern US, to represent the entire globe is a statistical travesty. There is a large variation in trends between stations and regions of the globe, with a sizeable number of negative trends, but the overall global trend is definitely positive. Then you complain about selective use of data, sloppiness and manipulation of statistics by climate scientists. It is really ironic.
The most recent study of the Urban Heat Island effect was from the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project:
http://berkeleyearth.org/pdf/berkeley-earth-uhi.pdf
Their conclusion is as follows:
“The effect of urban heating on estimates of global average land surface temperature is
studied by applying an urban-rural classification based on MODIS satellite data to the
Berkeley Earth temperature dataset compilation of 39,028 sites from 10 different publicly
available sources. We compare the distribution of linear temperature trends for these sites to
the distribution for a rural subset of 16,132 sites chosen to be distant from all MODISidentified
urban areas. While the trend distributions are broad, with one-third of the stations
in the US and worldwide having a negative trend, both distributions show significant
warming. Time series of the Earth’s average land temperature are estimated using the
Berkeley Earth methodology applied to the full dataset and the rural subset; the difference of
these shows a slight negative slope over the period 1950 to 2010, with a slope of -0.19°C ±
0.19 / 100yr (95% confidence), opposite in sign to that expected if the urban heat island
effect was adding anomalous warming to the record. The small size, and its negative sign,
supports the key conclusion of prior groups that urban warming does not unduly bias
estimates of recent global temperature change.”
Your lack of perspective is unbelievable.

Chuck Wiese
May 12, 2012 11:18 pm

Eric Adler: And you don’t seem to think that the dropping of rural stations from the records over time and using Hansen’s algorithm’s to “massage missing data areas” don’t add any bias to your claims. That is what is unbelievable. And if CO2 is causing nightime temperatures to rise as you claim, then explain why the record shows cooling in these cases! If nightime minimum temperatures were rising during the period of record, the daytime maximums would really have to be cooling for you to be correct about averages. I know that hasn’t happened because it would mean cloudiness had to increase substantially in these areas that are composed mostly of a continental climate, excuding Corvallis, which is maritime, but that strengthens my case, cooling occured there as well.
Further, increasing temperatures by themselves do NOT prove ANYTHING about CO2! Anyone who does not understand this is not a scientist. So explain why, if you are correct, that daytime maximums would have to cool substantially to average out to a cooling trend with minimus increasing when Hansen and people like you claim adding more CO2 causes maximum extremes!
And further, explain why these stations didnt follow the mantra that adding CO2 causes warming. The period of record is far too long at all of them to be a “fluke” in the global system, especaially when one of them is right by the ocean and CO2 went up at these stations just like all the others!
You’re [snip] Adler and as full of contradictions as from any warmer I’ve ever spoken with. But I do look forward to your explanations of how these stations can be dismissed from the records that Hansen and GISS make that want warming to never cease when Co2 went up and maximums would have had to fall greater to average a cooling trend at all three with different climate regimes.

May 12, 2012 11:54 pm

Eric Adler says:
In fact the increases in average temperature during the last 40 years have been driven by increase in minimum temperatures. This is consistent with forcing being due to GHG’s, which cause an increase in minimum nightime temperatures…..
Henry says
Check again the 3 lines of the relevant graph reported by the IPCC
the red line actually shows that night time temps (minima) have been dropping…..
Either way, I did my own investigations on this,
in fact I had a discussion just now with Village idiot, here
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/10/uah-global-temperature-up-in-april/#comment-982122
I have found that maxima are a better variable to evaluate rather than average temperatures.

Chuck Wiese
May 13, 2012 12:01 am

Eric Adler: Here is more indegestion for you. Below is the link to the NCDC climate records for the 48 lower US. When you click on this, select the last ten to fourtenn years of record and use a thirty year mean or longer base period and select the annual mean US temperature record.. Here you will find that my cooling trends are not limited to but a few select stations. So again, explain why CO2 would cause nightime temperatures to rise,but daytime maximums to fall greater to average out to a nation wide cooling trend, and match that up to the claims that CO2 causes the climate to warm. I will love to read your explanation. I’m sure it will be a breakthrough in science:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html

William
May 13, 2012 3:16 am

Eric, please identify the fingerprint of AGW, or aerosoles in this graph:
http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2012/05/Mean-Temp-1.jpg

Eric Adler
May 13, 2012 7:09 am

Chuck Weise says:
“So to summarize, what I’m stating as a meteorologist to you is that the hydological cycle definately acts to amplify or deamplify warmimg or cooling as you state and it does help set the uppper and lower constraints by self regulating the positive feedbacks, but the change in radiation components dictate whether the climate warms or cools and that can include any change in radiation off of the sun from infrared wavelengths up through ultraviolet, as well as the increase or decrease in the solar wind that modulates the amount of inter galactic cosmic ray flux into the atmosphere, which according to Henrick Svensmark, changes the ionization of hyroscopic nuclei that can modulate the cloud to water vapor balance irrespective of the actual change in solar irradiance absorbed at the ground. ”
Are you really a meteorologist?
That is one hell of a run-on sentence that doesn’t lead to any conclusion.
I don’t see why you bother to mention Svensmark and cosmic rays. There is no real evidence to support the idea that cosmic rays influence the formation of clouds. Svensmark had to wait over a week for clouds to result from a burst of cosmic rays, in a few cherry picked cases. Real analysis of a larger number of events showed no correlation between Cosmic Rays and cloudiness.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2010/2009GL041327.shtml

Eric Adler
May 13, 2012 7:13 am

William says:
May 13, 2012 at 3:16 am
“Eric, please identify the fingerprint of AGW, or aerosoles in this graph:
http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2012/05/Mean-Temp-1.jpg
You need to change the scale to 100C full scale. I can still use a protractor to see the increase in temperature with the 30C full scale that you use.