Guest post by Floyd Doughty
Some years ago when I was investigating the climate change issue in my spare time, I ran across a short article by James Hansen on the GISS website under “Education Resource Materials”, dated January, 1999. James Hansen is arguably the father of modern Anthropogenic Global Warming dogma. So I saved the web page for future reference because of some of the predictions contained within it, as well as the incredibly balanced and well-reasoned attitude expressed regarding the philosophy of scientific investigation. We could all benefit from Dr. Hansen’s wisdom. For example,
“Skepticism thus plays an essential role in scientific research, and, far from trying to silence skeptics, science invites their contributions. So too, the global warming debate benefits from traditional scientific skepticism”.
And another gem:
“Although scientists have a right to express personal opinions related to policy issues, it seems to me that we can be of more use by focusing on the science and carrying that out with rigorous objectivity. That approach seems to be essential for the success, as well as the “fun”, of scientific research”.
Given what has transpired in the intervening 13 years, it is not surprising that I can no longer find the article on the GISS site (but I may not have dug deeply enough). Therefore, I am making my copy of the article available to you for your reading pleasure. There is such a wealth of fascinating statements contained in this short document, it is impossible to decide where to begin. I suspect others will find numerous points to comment on. By the way, the embedded link to Dr. Hansen’s book review is still working, and I found that to be an interesting read as well.
I found Dr. Hansen’s chart of projected global temperature anomalies intriguing, particularly in light of the observational record of the last decade:
This chart, as displayed in the January, 1999 document, is a replica of the global temperature projections, considering three scenarios that Dr. Hansen presented during his celebrated 1988 United States Senate testimony, but updated with the actual observed GISS temperature record as of 1998.
Scenario A represented projected global temperatures assuming “a fast growth rate for greenhouse gases”. Scenarios B and C “have a moderate growth rate for greenhouse gases until year 2000, after which greenhouse gases stop increasing in Scenario C”. I thought it might be enlightening, or at least entertaining, to compare the current GISS global temperature record with what was presented in January, 1999. The “… traditional analysis … global annual-mean surface air temperature change …” data series was downloaded from
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/ (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A.txt)
This time series was plotted in Microsoft Excel. Unfortunately, time series data values that were used to produce the original chart did not seem to be available. Therefore, the Excel chart of the current GISS global temperature record was rather crudely scaled and overlain onto an image of the original chart, with the following result:
The data shown in red are from the original image published in 1999. The blue points are what are currently available for download at the GISS website. The slight apparent time shift in the vertical grid lines was necessary because, for some reason, Dr. Hansen originally plotted yearly averages between tick marks rather than centered on tick marks. The vertical scales have not been altered, and are as exact as I can make them with the manual overlay. The blue observational data points seem to roughly lie between Dr. Hansen’s Scenario B (moderate, continued growth rate in greenhouse gases) and Scenario C (moderate growth rate in greenhouse gases until year 2000, after which greenhouse gases stop increasing). Interestingly, the data currently available for download (blue) seem to be indicating a slightly warmer trend than what was presented in 1999 (red). After manually applying a slight downward bulk shift (or “bias”) to the overlay of the current record (blue), the two time series seem to be in slightly better agreement:
It seems the historical GISS temperature record has been somewhat altered, or “adjusted” since January of 1999, such that historical global temperature anomaly values are now slightly more positive than what was published at that time. Perhaps a base line change was applied to the data since the 1999 article. But data after 1988 appear to be “adjusted” to a greater extent than data prior to 1988. Well, it is what it is, and the best we can do is to calibrate the current GISS temperature time series to the years prior to 1988, under the charitable assumption that perhaps the points that were added to the original 1988 chart in the 1999 article were accidentally mis-posted.
Now that the current version of historical temperature measurements are approximately calibrated to the historic record as presented by Dr. Hansen to the United States Senate in 1988, it seems that the GISS record in the years following 1988 have roughly approximated Dr. Hansen’s Scenario C. But wait – that scenario was a projection of temperature variations assuming greenhouse gases stop increasing after the year 2000. Did I miss something? Was the IPCC wildly successful after all?
It is also illustrative to compare Dr. Hansen’s 1988 prediction with the satellite record. UAH NCDC temperature data from analyses by Roy Spencer and John Christy was downloaded from Dr. Spencer’s website:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures (http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt)
Since these data are monthly averages of global temperature derived from satellite measurements, the global temperature data series was further averaged over each calendar year to enable direct comparison with the raw, currently available GISS data. The UAH NCDC chart was then manually scaled and bulk shifted in order to calibrate with the original 1999 GISS data (since the base periods for the two data sets are different). The result of this crude scaling exercise is shown with the UAH NCDC data in green, compared with the current, unbiased GISS data in blue:
After applying the manual bulk shift to compensate for the different base line periods, it appears that the satellite data agree reasonably well with the current, unbiased GISS surface station data – except for the trend, as others have pointed out. GISS estimates since 1998 seem to be consistently higher than the UAH NCDC satellite estimates. More accurately stated (since the calibration was visual only), the GISS trend appears more positive than the UAH NCDC satellite data trend. Interesting. Now it looks like Dr. Hansen’s Scenario C global temperature forecast that he presented to the United States Senate in 1988 was amazingly accurate, according to the satellite-derived global temperature record. That is truly a remarkable achievement. So now let’s employ a bit of faulty logic that is similar to that which is routinely applied by AGW proponents: “The observational data fit the model, so the model must be accurate”. Anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions must have ceased in the year 2000. And I missed it. Rats.
In the interest of full disclosure, I must unambiguously state that I am a state board-certified Professional Geophysicist nearing retirement after more than 38 years spent in the search for new oil and gas reserves. As such, AGW proponents may simply dismiss my comments as the ravings of an “oil company shill”. There is no statement that I can swear to that would convince them otherwise. So be it. The truth is that the observations, opinions, and views I have expressed are the result of independent critical thought, are strictly my own, and do not in any way represent those of my employer, the oil industry in general, or any other entities.
Floyd Doughty
May 10, 2012
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Source – the Wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20010223232940/http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
The Global Warming Debate
By James Hansen — January 1999
The only way to have real success in science … is to describe the evidence very carefully without regard to the way you feel it should be. If you have a theory, you must try to explain what’s good about it and what’s bad about it equally. In science you learn a kind of standard integrity and honesty. — Richard Feynman
In my view, we are not doing as well as we could in the global warming debate. For one thing, we have failed to use the opportunity to help teach the public about how science research works. On the contrary, we often appear to the public to be advocates of fixed adversarial positions. Of course, we can try to blame this on the media and politicians, with their proclivities to focus on antagonistic extremes. But that doesn’t really help.
The fun in science is to explore a topic from all angles and figure out how something works. To do this well, a scientist learns to be open-minded, ignoring prejudices that might be imposed by religious, political or other tendencies (Galileo being a model of excellence). Indeed, science thrives on repeated challenge of any interpretation, and there is even special pleasure in trying to find something wrong with well-accepted theory. Such challenges eventually strengthen our understanding of the subject, but it is a never-ending process as answers raise more questions to be pursued in order to further refine our knowledge.
Skepticism thus plays an essential role in scientific research, and, far from trying to silence skeptics, science invites their contributions. So too, the global warming debate benefits from traditional scientific skepticism.
I have argued in a recent book review that some “greenhouse skeptics” subvert the scientific process, ceasing to act as objective scientists, rather presenting only one side, as if they were lawyers hired to defend a particular viewpoint. But some of the topics focused on by the skeptics are recognized as legitimate research questions, and also it is fair to say that the injection of environmental, political and religious perspectives in midstream of the science research has occurred from both sides in the global warming debate.
So, what to do? Most scientists are willing to spend part of their time communicating with the public about how science works. And they should be: after all, the financial support for most research is provided ultimately by the public. But one quickly learns that such communication is not easy, at least not for many of us.
In late 1998, I was asked to debate the well-known greenhouse skeptic Dr. Patrick Michaels of the University of Virginia. I summarize here some key points in the debate, “A Public Debate on the Science of Global Warming”, held at the New York Hilton, Nov. 20, 1998, and organized by the American Association for the Rhetoric of Science and Technology. A copy of my entire contribution may be downloaded as a PDF document (Note: This document is 597 kB and requires a special viewer such as the free Adobe Reader.).
I agreed to participate in this debate with Dr. Michaels after learning that he had used (or misused) a figure of mine in testimony to the United States Congress. The figure showed the first predictions made with a 3-D climate model and time-dependent climate forcings — it was a figure from a paper that we had published in the Journal of Geophysical Research in 1988 and it had been a principal basis for testimony that I gave to the United States Senate in 1988.
The figure that we published is reproduced here as Fig. 1.
Fig. 1: Climate model calculations reported in Hansen et al. (1988).
It shows the simulated global mean temperature for three climate forcing scenarios. Scenario A has a fast growth rate for greenhouse gases. Scenarios B and C have a moderate growth rate for greenhouse gases until year 2000, after which greenhouse gases stop increasing in Scenario C. Scenarios B and C also included occasional large volcanic eruptions, while scenario A did not. The objective was to illustrate the broad range of possibilities in the ignorance of how forcings would actually develop. The extreme scenarios (A with fast growth and no volcanos, and C with terminated growth of greenhouse gases) were meant to bracket plausible rates of change. All of the maps of simulated climate change that I showed in my 1988 testimony were for the intermediate scenario B, because it seemed the most likely of the three scenarios.
But when Pat Michaels testified to congress in 1998 and showed our 1988 predictions (Fig. 1) he erased the curves for scenarios B and C, and showed the result only for scenario A. He then argued that, since the real world temperature had not increased as fast as this model calculation, the climate model was faulty and there was no basis for concern about climate change, specifically concluding that the Kyoto Protocol was “a useless appendage to an irrelevant treaty”.
Although scientists have a right to express personal opinions related to policy issues, it seems to me that we can be of more use by focusing on the science and carrying that out with rigorous objectivity. That approach seems to be essential for the success, as well as the “fun”, of scientific research.
Fig. 1 is a good case in point. We now know (Hansen et al. 1998a, 1998b) that the growth rate of greenhouse gases in the period 1988-1998 has been flat, very similar to scenarios B and C (which are nearly the same until year 2000). Thus we can compare real world temperature changes in the past decade (filled circles in Fig. 1) with model calculations for the B-C scenarios. Taking account of the fact that the real world volcano occurred in 1991, rather than 1995 as assumed in the model, it is apparent that the model did a good job of predicting global temperature change. But the period of comparison is too short and the climate change too small compared to natural variability for the comparison to provide a meaningful check on the model’s sensitivity to climate forcings. With data from another decade we will be able to make a much clearer evaluation of the model.
As the opinions in the global warming debate do not seem to be converging, it seems to me that one useful thing that can be done is to clearly delineate the fundamental differences. Then, as our scientific understanding advances over the next several years, we can achieve more convincing evaluations of the global warming issue. (Stated less generously, this is a way to pin down those who keep changing their arguments.)
Table 1 summarizes chief differences that I delineated for the sake of a discussion with Richard Lindzen, who has provided the intellectual underpinnings for the greenhouse skeptics, in October 1998. I also used this list (Table 1) as the principal fodder for my “affirmative closing argument” in the debate with Pat Michaels.
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Table 1. Key Differences with Skeptics
1. Observed global warming: real or measurement problem?
Hansen: global warming is 0.5-0.75°C in past century, at least ~0.3°C in past 25 years.
Lindzen: since about 1850 “…more likely … 0.1±0.3°C” (MIT Tech Talk, 34, #7, 1989).
2. Climate sensitivity (equilibrium response to 2xCO2)
Lindzen: ~< 1°C
Hansen: 3±1°C
Comments: paleoclimate data, improved climate models, and process studies may narrow uncertainties; observed climate change on decadal time scales will provide constraint if climate forcings are measured; implicit information on climate sensitivity can be extracted from observed changes in ocean heat storage.
3. Water vapor feedback
Lindzen: negative, upper tropospheric water vapor decreases with global warming.
Hansen: positive, upper and lower tropospheric water vapor increase with global warming.
References: (these include references by Lindzen stating that, in response to global warming, water vapor will decrease at altitudes above 2-3 km).
Comment: accurate observations of interannual changes (several years) and long-term changes (1-2 decades) of upper tropospheric water vapor could provide defining data.
4. CO2 contribution to the ~33°C natural greenhouse effect
Lindzen: “Even if all other greenhouse gases (such as carbon dioxide and methane) were to disappear, we would still be left with over 98 percent of the current greenhouse effect.” Cato Review, Spring issue, 87-98, 1992; “If all CO2 were removed from the atmosphere, water vapor and clouds would still provide almost all of the present greenhouse effect.” Res. Explor. 9, 191-200, 1993.
Lacis and Hansen: removing CO2, with water vapor kept fixed, would cool the Earth 5-10°C; removing CO2 and trace gases with water vapor allowed to respond would remove most of the natural greenhouse effect.
5. When will global warming and climate change be obvious?
Lindzen: I personally feel that the likelihood over the next century of greenhouse warming reaching magnitudes comparable to natural variability remains small.
Hansen: “With the climatological probability of a hot summer represented by two faces (say painted red) of a six-faced die, judging from our model by the 1990s three or four of the six die faces will be red. It seems to us that this is a sufficient ‘loading’ of the dice that it will be noticeable to the man in the street.” J. Geophys. Res. 93, 9341-9364, 1988.
6. Planetary disequilibrium
Hansen: Earth is out of radiative equilibrium with space by at least approximately 0.5 W/m2 (absorbing more energy than it emits).
Comments: This is the most fundamental measure of the state of the greenhouse effect. Because the disequilibrium is a product of the long response time of the climate system, which in turn is a strong function of climate sensitivity, confirmation of the disequilibrium provides information on climate sensitivity and an indication of how much additional global warming is “in the pipeline” due to gases already added to the atmosphere.
This disequilibrium could be measured as the sum of the rate of heat storage in the ocean plus the net energy going into the melting of ice. Existing technology, including very precise measurements of ocean and ice sheet topography, could provide this information.
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Differences 1 (reality of global warming) and 2 (climate sensitivity) are very fundamental. From my perspective, strong evidence is already accumulating that weighs heavily against the skeptics contentions that there is no significant global warming and that climate sensitivity is low. These issues will become even clearer over the next several years.
Difference 3 (water vapor feedback) is related to climate sensitivity, but is so fundamental that it deserves specific attention. The topic has resisted definitive empirical evaluation, because of the poor state of water vapor measurements and the fact that tropospheric temperature change has been small in the past 20 years. Ozone depletion, which affects upper tropospheric temperatures, has also complicated this problem. This situation will change if, as I would anticipate, ozone depletion flattens and global temperature continues to rise.
Difference 4 has an academic flavor, and is perhaps not worth special efforts. But it illustrates a lack of understanding of the basic greenhouse mechanism by Lindzen.
Difference 5 is fundamental because substantial efforts to curb global warming may require that climate change first be apparent to people. If our assessments are right, we are in fact on the verge of warming being noticeable to the perceptive person-in-the-street. (See related material Global Temperature Trends and the Common Sense Climate Index.)
Difference 6, concerning the planetary “disequilibrium” (imbalance between incoming and outgoing radiation) is the most fundamental measure of the state of the anthropogenic greenhouse effect. The disequilibrium should exist if climate sensitivity is as high (and thus the ocean thermal response time so long) as we estimate, and if increasing greenhouse gases are the dominant climate forcing mechanism. We have presented evidence (Hansen et al. 1997) of a disequilibrium of at least 0.5 W/m2. This imbalance is the basis by which we could predict that record global temperatures would occur within a few years, that the 1990s would be warmer than the 1980s, and that the first decade of next century will be warmer than the 1990s, despite the existence of natural climate variability. I do not know of a reference where Lindzen specifically addresses planetary radiation imbalance, but his positions regarding climate sensitivity and the ocean response time clearly imply a smaller, negligible imbalance.
The important point is that the planetary radiation imbalance is measurable, via the ocean temperature, because the only place this excess energy can go is into the ocean and, probably to a less extent, into the melting of ice. If our estimates are approximately right, this heat storage should not escape detection during the next several years.
In summary, all of these issues are ones that the scientific community potentially can make progress on in the near future, if they receive appropriate attention. The real global warming debate, in the sense of traditional science, can be resolved to a large extent in a reasonable time.
References:
- Hansen, J. 1998. Book review of Sir John Houghton’s Global Warming: The Complete Briefing. J. Atmos. Chem. 30, 409-412.
- Hansen, J., I. Fung, A. Lacis, D. Rind, S. Lebedeff, R. Ruedy, G. Russell, and P. Stone 1988. Global climate changes as forecast by Goddard Institute for Space Studies three-dimensional model. J. Geophys. Res. 93, 9341-9364.
- Hansen, et al. 1997. Forcings and chaos in interannual to decadal climate change. J. Geophys. Res. 102, 25679-25720.
- Hansen, J., M. Sato, J. Glascoe and R. Ruedy 1998a. Common sense climate index: Is climate changing noticeably? Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. 95, 4113-4120.
- Hansen, J., M. Sato, A. Lacis, R. Ruedy, I. Tegen, and E. Matthews 1998b. Perspective: Climate forcings in the industrial era. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. 22, 12753-12758.
I think it’s a misnomer to call the GISS temperature record “observed”.
Stephen: You are right the recent YAMAL story is THE story and even here I don’t think they realize. This story needs to be hammered relentlessly until it ends up in court and they are all brought to justice. It’s the first outright De Facto evidence of fraud and deceit that will win in a court of law. That’s why no one one has touched it so far ie Revkin, RC, Thinkprogress, etc who usually reply to this type of event from previous experience, “accusations”
Anything from Mr Hanson of late can be put in the too hard basket and treated as propaganda.
His mission of late has been terminally wounded by facts and an unco-operative Gaia. Such is life. Reality and honesty are eternal, faith and politics not so much.
It is hard to know and understand what fate is in store for people such as this that pervert science for their own glorification.
Youse guys are somewhat late, earlier this year, in preparation for the Easter Hansen Was Wrong in 1988 offensive Eli went back and looked at an old post. As Hansen said in 1988
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The climate model we employ has a global mean surface air equilibrium sensitivity of 4.2 C for doubled CO2. Other recent GCMs yield equilibrium sensitivities of 2.5-5.5 C…..
Forecast temperature trends for time scales of a few decades or less are not very sensitive to the model’s equilibrium climate sensitivity (reference provided). Therefore climate sensitivity would have to be much smaller than 4.2 C, say 1.5 to 2 C, in order for us to modify our conclusions significantly.
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Eli pointed out that
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We are getting to the point, twenty years on, where the high estimate of climate sensitivity is making itself felt. OTOH, the 1988 paper estimated the forcings slightly on the low side. The result was a pretty good prediction. Definitely in the class of useful models.
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BTW, Nick Stokes has a really nice JAVA way of plotting all of the measurement series against the 1988 prediction, although you have to be careful and realize that the 1988 graph was a forecast for land only and excluded the sea surfaces
Coincidentally I recently had a similar debate on The Guardian website in response to a bet offered by one of the commenters there. He proposed that “deniers” should offer to pay for the costs of global warming in 100 years time and we should be amply compensated by the “scientists” if we were wrong at the time. It wasn’t a bad rhetorical device; put your money where your mouth is.
I countered with a quicker payoff time. A bet against the prediction of Hansen to the US Congress. As his graph ended in 2019 and pretty much shows that the “science” of AGW was wrong it looked like a good bet to me.
Most of my subsequent posts were deleted by the moderators which is unusual. I took that as a sign that this line of argument was very awkward for those who earn a living as environmental journalists.
Ref: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/may/02/climate-change-sceptic-right-wing
Eric Adler says:
May 10, 2012 at 7:22 pm
But the temperatures flatline. They don’t go up or down, they stay the same. How lucky is that? Everything balances.
So let’s try and work out how that happens:
Delta CO2 Conc x CO2 forcing = Delta SO2 Conc x SO2 forcing – everything else (unknown)
CO2 Conc is increasing (Mauna Loa)
SO2 conc varies (it has a short atmospheric life as we know from volcanoes, of which we have not had many) but with environmental regs and the dash for gas it can’t have changed much upwards (even with the rise of China).
CO2 forcing should be declining due to Beer Lambert’s Law but some unidentified feedback may amplify it so in fairness we do not know.
Same for SO2.
How does that balance with rising CO2?
The simplest answer is that CO2 forcing = zero (at current levels) and SO2 Conc is constant (along with the unknown everything else). That is the implied assumption under Occum’s Razor.
But for me the honest answer is that the whole “CO2 = disaster meme” is unjustified hyperbole and we just don’t know. The science is not settled. It’s not even close to being understood.
In response to a couple of comments above:
Here’s a WUWT thread rebutting the Forster & Rahmstorf paper:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/26/rahmstorfs-new-heat-wave-twisty/
Here’s a WUWT thread documenting Hansen’s large outside income–possibly in violation of gov’t. regulations:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/18/dr-james-hansens-growing-financial-scandal-now-over-a-million-dollars-of-outside-income/
@Dennis Ray wingo wrote:
“All on the flawed premise of an Earth centered solar system.”
It is NOT a flawed premise.
Mutatis mutandis you can pick *any * set of axes to calculate orbital movements and heliocentric is (nearly) the simplest to do the mathematics on, that’s all.
The trouble with ‘layman’s science’ or ‘layman’s mathematics’ – both of which persist throughout even university graduates (unless that is their specialty) – is that they represent Occam’s Razor style ‘simplest hypotheses’ as ‘the Truth’.
A philosophical analysis of Hansen, et al, reveals some far more startling truths: The AGW hypothesis is based on the presupposition that all the climate change that cannot be accounted for by known factors, is down to CO2. Then the mysterious lambda factor is used to make the (somewhat dubious) temperature record fit the model. But what IS the lambda factor in physical terms? No one knows. Its a mysterious feedback element that amplifies the greenhouse effect of CO2.
But by assigning it a value that makes the model fit the data, it ‘proves’ CO2 is the culprit? Really?
You can do that with ANYTHING.
e.g. http://www.clarewind.org.uk/events-1.php?event=39
It is just as likely – and looking increasingly MORE likely – if probability can be assigned to unknown unknowns at all – that in fact there is something else going on entirely.
Which is where theories based on e.g. cloud formation (c.f. Svensmark et al) become increasingly interesting, if still dubious.
The problem is that AGW is a broadly circular argument: and that makes it a very weak one philosophically. To be sure all science proceeds by hypothesizing, and then seeing if the actual facts on the ground meet the hypothesis. However that never demonstrates the truth content of a hypothesis, merely that ‘it works’. In that context we can pick any sets of axes and any postulates we like, and as long as the whole schema that results is logically consistent, we can regard it as ‘scientifically true’. The great mistake is to confuse that with The Truth. And, worse if we pick a postulate that cannot be falsified, we are straying right off science altogether, and into metaphysics.
And that is where Hansen et al are heading with AGW. Into irrefutable propositions – it seems that whereas we are to take CO2 and its attendant climate change as established FACT, anything that results in them not fitting the facts is due to ‘unkown feedback factors’ or ‘pollution’ or any other convenient unknown that MIGHT explain the discrepancies.
But how is CO2 itself, with its massive fudge factor, to be taken as any different?
The reality is that no one really understands climate change fully, or even more than slightly. That is nothing to be ashamed of, but is a very big deal indeed if we are basing political policy and massive expenditire on an unproven and distinctly shaky premise.
“All on the flawed premise of an Earth centered solar system.
Computer models can explain many things and yet be completely wrong on the fundamental science. AGW is the modern epicycle.”
Just a point of order: There is nothing unscientific about describing the movement of objects relative to your chosen point of reference. That does not in practice make it a “flawed premise”. We do not describe for instance the trajectory of an arrow with the sun as our point of reference. Nor do we for a trip to the supermarket. For that we probably use our home as the chosen point of reference, and it works perfectly and is absolutely not unscientific. Thus, looking at the solar system with earth as the chosen point of reference is not a flawed premise if you only interested in the practical observed relationships. Of course, the scientific explanation would be a different subject altogether.. 🙂
Phil Clarke says: @ur momisugly May 11, 2012 at 12:06 am
…. The basic physics behind the model are fine, one of its input parameters was too high by about a third, is all.
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The basic physics behind the models are not “fine” and even the more truthful climate scientists acknowledge the fact that large chunks are missing.
To put it bluntly we are still a bunch of blind men, tied in place who are trying to describe an elephant. Even though some good work is being done, we don’t KNOW what influences on the climate we are completely missing.
At least most skeptics acknowledge the fact we do not know diddley squat about the climate yet and are only now, despite all the obstacles thrown in true scientists path, beginning to ferret out some of the pieces. Clouds are a prime example.
RealClimate made available the data Hansen used in his 1988 paper.
Scenario temps projections. Scenario B is +1.065C in 2012.
http://www.realclimate.org/data/scen_ABC_temp.data
GHG levels. Scenario B CO2 level 390.99 ppm in 2011 (0.5 ppm too high but close enough).
http://www.realclimate.org/data/H88_scenarios.dat
Effective Forcing. Scenario B is +2.14 W/m2 in 2011 (very close to the number IPCC AR5 is using for 2011).
http://www.realclimate.org/data/H88_scenarios_eff.dat
So Scenario B is very close to the actual scenario which occured. Skeptical Science and others have tried to take 10% or so off that but the effective forcing numbers say no change is required.
jeez says:
May 11, 2012 at 1:47 am
Floyd,
Here is a copy of the oldest GISS dataset we could previously find. It should be very very close to the 1999 set.
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Thanks jeez. The baby ice is still growing, now in pre-kindergarten. We need to find the oldest NCDC dataset too.
Myrrh says:
May 11, 2012 at 1:51 am
“And what’s worse, you can’t see anything wrong in it..”
They don’t know that they don’t know.
LazyTeenager says:
May 11, 2012 at 1:29 am
“Now let’s say a geophysicist was involved in preparing an assessment of an ore body based on drilling and seismology. Then the ore body is exploited and the actual yeild is recorded. Just how good or bad would the agreement have to be for that geophysicist to be judged competent or incompetent? How would they compare to Hansen?”
Floyd has a license to practice Geofizziks. Roscoe P Coal Train does not.
Somewhat OT, but perhaps relates to the apparent conversion of Hanson from scientist to advocate.
Science and Sex have a common trait.
They both can be beautiful, amazing things. When it’s right, you know it.
However both can also be obtained with money.
This purchased science or sex is reduced to – you get what you pay for. No more, no less.
Eric Adler
You say that we shouldnt discount the possibility that aerosols, clouds, ENSO, volcanoes, and solar decline are all contributing to slowing or counteracting the warming – and I take your post to be just that – a reminder that there might be factors masking or preventing warming and that we should see what we have learned so far and review it – all very sensible and I agree.
We didnt know these things in 1998 but are aware of them now. In 1988 all sorts of dire predictions were made without these factors being included. Obviously we might find out something else tomorrow or the day after that we don’t know today and today’s predictions must be equally likely to be discounting factors that we do not yet understand or which we have not yet uncovered, and so are equally likely not to come to fruition. I have no problem with that and note that you ask that we think like scientists and not like lawyers (or presumably from other non-science perspectives). So when do we know that we know enough to make confident predictions? Caution would appear to be the watchword here.
But in his op-ed in the NYT of 10.5.2012 Hansen says the science of the situation is CLEAR. He gives all sorts of doomsday facts about the catastrophe that will happen – at some point in the future – with no apparent regard for the fact that we have found out a lot of relevant stuff since 1988 and that we might find out something else at any time that changes our view or the balance of the evidence. He ignores peer reviewed science on the attribution of extreme weather events and says that it IS caused by human induced climate change. He maintains that if Canadian tar sands and tar “shale” are exploited we WILL add enough CO2 to hit 500 ppm and at that level it IS game over. Ice sheets will disintegrate, sea level rises will drown coastal cities, and global temperatures will become “intolerable” with up to 50 of all species dying out. He knows this – he says there would be no hope of avoiding this outcome although over what time scale this will happen he doesn’t say. But we are to understand that we will be leaving our children a climate out of control, and essentially a planet in tatters.
Given that you accept that there might be factors that we dont understand properly and concede by necessity the fact that we are always learning – Do you believe that Hansen “thinks like a scientist” and not, for example, like an activist?
Hansen has been working behind the scenes more than we knew. Just what are our tax dollars paying this man to do?
Hansen initiated a lawsuit to be filed by some kids in California against the Federal Government to demand that the Government stop Global Warming.
“Olson and other supporters of the suit believe that having kids as plaintiffs makes a particularly visceral appeal to adults to take action. Indeed, many of the adults involved said that their own children and grandchildren had inspired them. “Becoming a grandfather motivated me to speak out,” said climate scientist James Hansen, the director of the U.S. NASA Goddard Space Institute and the man who first brought Loorz and Olson together. Hansen, in his free time, is a conscientious objector to U.S. energy policy who has been arrested three times at peaceful protests.
In support of the children’s suit, Hansen has drawn up recommendations as to how the U.S. government can meet the greenhouse-gas reduction goals, through cuts in fossil-fuel-powered electricity and reforestation. “My talents are mainly in the sciences,” he said, “but it just became so clear that no one is doing anything to prevent what is becoming scientifically a very clear picture. I didn’t want my grandchildren to say that “Opa” (Dutch for “grandpa”) knew what was happening but didn’t do anything about it.””
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/05/an-inconvenient-lawsuit-teenagers-take-global-warming-to-the-courts/256903/
I have been following Jim Hansen’s workings for over two decades. Sometime along the way Jim crossed the boundary between science and obesession. So when we look back we often see Jim the scientist. We don’t see much of that today.
I believe that Jim honestly believes in the truth of what he is saying; he is not motivated by the left wing ideology and yearnings for control that we see so often. But he has become more frustrated as Mother Nature has refused to cooperate, and the political process has produced little of the action he would like to see.
Wayne Douglas says:
May 10, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Well, what a surprise! All the representatives of the fossil fuel industry have checked in. As Deep Throat told Woodward and Bernstein, “Follow the money!” It sure doesn’t lead to Hansen.Yeppers, ya gotta just follow that money!
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Many involved in politics don’t primarily have just a lust for money but a lust for power, control over others. That’s what has given this mistaken hypothesis of CAGW legs and why so much of the taxpayers’ money is being dumped into its promotion. The hockey stick is just a club used by them to beat us into submission. When its no longer useful to them, they’ll drop it and look for something else to use. CAGW has replaced “The Ozone Hole”.
Sent to the NYT yesterday:
In “Game Over for the Climate”, James Hansen notes his 1981 Science
>paper predicted a global warming signal would emerge from historical
>climate variability by the late 1990s. His subsequent work, a more
>sophisticated model, was published in 1987, and he used it to forecast
>global warming in a famous Congressional hearing on June 23, 1988,
>dramatically overstating the subsequent warming trend of 0.3°C. His
>”business as usual” emissions scenario forecast 0.7° of warming, and
>his “Scenario B” warming, which includes some emissions reductions,
>yielded 0.6°. Figures are based upon his own temperature records and
>computer output, rounded to the nearest 0.1°, about as much precision
>as we can expect.
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>Predicting over twice as much warming as was observed leads me to
>similarly discount his projections of gloom and doom, which are being
>severely challenged by the earth’s reluctance to warm as he had forecast.
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George E. Smith says:
May 10, 2012 at 10:24 pm
“”””” Chuck Wiese says:
May 10, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Hi.
I once had a bit of an exchange with Lacis. Evidently, the supposed positive feedback from h2o due to the co2 increase is a decrease in cloud cover. Let the temperature go up slightly and one starts losing cloud cover. That must mean we’re at a relative maximum of cloud cover with only 62% average coverage. Lower T means less h2o vapor to form clouds – so less cover. And according to hansen and lacis, higher T means more h2o vapor (to form clouds) and less cloud cover. This is an assumption by lacis and hansen presented as such in an early paper from two decades ago. In the paper, they admit it was an assumption and not the only plausible one. Since then, it seems to have become the gospel. It doesn’t come from their gcm models but is based upon lacis’ one – d model and pure (self serving) opinion.
Another thing I noted with lacis is a gross tendency to overestimate everything in his favor and to underestimate values for anything that opposes his viewpoint as compared to what would be commonly accepted.
Eric Adler says:
May 10, 2012 at 7:22 pm
If you want to argue like a scientist instead of a hack, you would have noted that due to the short life expectancy of sulfates in the atmosphere, that any cooling caused by them would be concentrated first in the northern hemisphere, and secondly close to China. Since neither of these is the case, it is clear that the sulfate hypothesis has failed completely.
Wayne Douglas says:
May 10, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Are you actually trying to claim that Hansen hasn’t gotten rich from his promotion of AGW????
His financial statements beg to differ.
David Falkner says:
May 10, 2012 at 8:15 pm
“Eric Adler says:
…you would not neglect mentioning the possibility that a cooling effect due sulfate aerosols emitted by the rapidly developing Chinese economy , is slowing the increase in temperature…
I thought the cooling effect of aerosols was local and short lived? And could you point to a warming event to match the effect of the Chinese economy? I mean, the West did do a pretty good job of cleaning up the aerosols and since they are so short lived, we should be able to pick up some signals of equal amplitude, right?”
The aerosals are being emitted continously and are increasing as Asia becomes more industrially developed. When and if the SO2 gets cleaned out of the exhaust as it has in Western Europe and in the US, or the SO2 emissions get capped, because the pollution is intolerable to the health of the people living nearby, the rise in temperature will resume at an accelerated rate.
“Sceptical lefty says:
May 10, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Eric Adler,
when James Hansen testified before the U.S. Senate he was expecting to have a serious influence on the future direction of public policy and disbursement of public funds. So, maybe he neglected to take account of Chinese aerosols. If this, and other (possibly unknown) factors, are to be accepted as a reasonable excuse for the falsification of his predictions, then the question has to be asked: Why take any notice of the man at all? He clearly does not have an adequate grasp of his subject. He is also unlikely to run out of excuses.
Floyd Doughty has addressed himself to the substance of Hansen’s utterances and the ‘straw man’ accusation is unwarranted.”
Sceptical Lefty ,
Hansen’s first scientific work was on the climate of Venus, where Sulfate particles play a strong role in the climate of the planet. What he may have missed was prediction of the course of the Chinese economic growth, how much coal they might use, and what their policy on sulfate pollution might be. The IPCC does include sulfate aerosals as part of their forcing and it accounts for a lot of the uncertainty in the radiational forcing of the climate, along with the feedback due to clouds.