I don’t have much comment on this, as the press worldwide has pretty much said it all. I await the coming comparisons between, ahem, human emissions, and dinosaur emissions.
It’s another modeling extrapolation. From the article:
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Scientists believe that, just as in cows, methane-producing bacteria aided the digestion of sauropods by fermenting their plant food.
”A simple mathematical model suggests that the microbes living in sauropod dinosaurs may have produced enough methane to have an important effect on the Mesozoic climate,” said study leader Dr Dave Wilkinson, from Liverpool John Moores University.
”Indeed, our calculations suggest that these dinosaurs could have produced more methane than all modern sources – both natural and man-made – put together.”
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Something smells alright – the stench of extrapolation is overpowering.
It says the paper was published in Current Biology, but I can’t find it. Anyone know where to get a copy?
UPDATE: The BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792
British scientists have calculated the methane output of sauropods, including the species known as Brontosaurus.
By scaling up the digestive wind of cows, they estimate that the population of dinosaurs – as a whole – produced 520 million tonnes of gas annually. They suggest the gas could have been a key factor in the warm climate 150 million years ago.
“520 million tonnes”, that’s all? That seems in error. They obviously mean 520 teragrams. (/sarc from the paper – they quote teragrams, which sounds much bigger for MSM scare stories, but I guess they needed some unit people could get their nose around)
Here’s figure 1 from the paper:
The paper itself is a marvel of weak extrapolation:
Link to excerpt of curent “Current Biology” issue, showing the full article:
http://download.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/PIIS0960982212003296.pdf
Could methane produced by sauropod dinosaurs
have helped drive Mesozoic climate warmth?
David M. Wilkinson1,*, Euan G. Nisbet2, and Graeme D. Ruxton3
Mesozoic sauropods, like many modern herbivores, are likely to have
hosted microbial methanogenic symbionts for the fermentative
digestion of their plant food [1]. Today methane from livestock is a
significant component of the global methane budget [2]. Sauropod
methane emission would probably also have been considerable. Here,
we use a simple quantitative approach to estimate the magnitude of such
methane production and show that the production of the ‘greenhouse’
gas methane by sauropods could have been an important factor in warm
Mesozoic climates. Sauropod dinosaurs include the largest terrestrial animals known
and exhibit a distinctive body shape, featuring a small head at the end
of a very long neck. Their diversity and geographic range suggest that
sauropods may have been keystone species in many ecosystems during
the Jurassic and Cretaceous [1]. Based in part on data from the
Late Jurassic Morrison Formation (Western USA), Farlow et al. [3]
estimated population densities for sauropods ranging from a few
large adult animals to a few tens of individuals per km2. Specifically,
they estimate that if dinosaurs had an endothermic, mammalian-style
metabolism, then the total abundance of these megaherbivores would
have been 11–15 animals/km2 with a total biomass density of around
42,000 kg/km2. It is, however, very unlikely that large-bodied sauropods
had metabolisms as high as predicted by the assumption of mammalian
metabolism [1]. If instead a reptilian metabolism in assumed, then Farlow
et al. [3] calculate a predicted biomass density of 377,000 kg/km2.
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Per Caddyshack, I think we have a new exclamation, “Oh, dinosaur farts!”
Best not to say it during a thunderstorm climate disruption.
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If farting caused the problem. then how did the dinasaurs grow to be the biggest animals to be found on earth in history in the first place? Are we to assume that these wonderful animals lead a life of centuries of constipation before they suddenly started farting to bring about their own extiction? How do these idiots know how many dinasaurs were on the earth at the time compared to the billions of people, cows and other animals that are on earth today, all farting away to their hearts content?. Surely the Daily Telegraph have been taken in by a huge scam by bogus researchers; they should be ashamed of themselves for publishing such utter rubbish, and the science editor should be locked in a methane-filled room.
Scott says:
May 7, 2012 at 9:44 am
Can someone explain to me what the difference in composition is between a dinosaur fart and bacterial decomposition of “unconsumed” plant life? Plants still dying/getting consumed/emitted as GHG gas…does the organism matter?
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not one bit Scott
fred houpt says:
May 7, 2012 at 9:47 am
The only difference is that Reagan was right. The hydrocarbons released into the atmosphere by trees, was much larger than the amount released by autos.
I left a post on the University of East Anglia thread, following hearing about this on the BBC Radio 2 News at 3:00pm today. Even the newsreader could not stop laughing. By the time she got to the 4:00pm bulletin she had coined the term “Flatulentosaurus”,the Newsreader and Tony Blackburn (the veteran DJ) thought it funny and ridiculous and took the p***. By the 5:00pm bulletin they had a spokesman from Liverpool University who was discussing this with great sincerity. The 6:00pm news bulletin (on now) has made no mention of it, but they did mention the equally surreal item about Putin being sworn in as the new Russian President!
It really cheered up a Bank Holiday afternoon, where I am confined to the house with a bad back and the AGW has given us an outside temperature of 8.5 celsius and rain!
”Indeed, our calculations suggest that these dinosaurs could have produced more methane than all modern sources – both natural and man-made – put together.”
Indeed, calling this drivel “calculations” is mere academic ostentation. They are, indeed, mere POOMA* numbers.
Richard Lyman says: “I thought it wasn’t bovine flatulence but rather bovine burps that was the problem. Did dinosaurs burp? Am I just confused?”
Dinosaurs may have burped, Richard, the amount depending on their diet. However, dinosaurs weren’t as evolved as present day bovines, who possess four, count ’em, four (4) stomachs, presenting the former with fewer opportunities to burp. There is NO safe place to stand in the vicinity of a dinosaur.
R Taylor says: “The notion that a thing could pass, yes pass, peer-review made me think it was a joke played on the MSM but no…”
The pee-er reviewers obviously didn’t know coprolite.
* Preliminary Order-Of-Magnitude Approximation. Really.
If farting was the cause, then how did these wonderful beasts grow to be the biggest animals on earth in the first place? or were they constipated for a few million years before they started farting? How do these people know exactly how many dinosaurs were on the earth at the time compared to the billions of people, cows and other animals that are on earth now? Surely the Daily Telegraph have been taken in by a huge scam by bogus research workers, if not, they should be utterly ashamed of themselves for publishing such utter rubbish, and their science editor should locked up in a methane-filled room.
YEA!!!
The Weekly World News is back!!!…. in the form of The Telegraph.
Can’t wait for the stories of Bat Boy.
“An instant later, Professor Waxman and his time machine were obliterated, leaving the cold-blooded/warm-blooded dinosaur controversy unresolved.”
http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4804256489014194&id=63ab7c21508b8df0334780621d923fb5&url=http%3a%2f%2fimg.photobucket.com%2falbums%2fv616%2fCobraChief%2ffarside1.jpg
@ur momisugly MarkW: You wrote “The only difference is that Reagan was right. The hydrocarbons released into the atmosphere by trees, was much larger than the amount released by autos.” It is so long ago I forget the nitty gritty of that argument. I am assuming here that the hydrocarbons released by trees is mostly when they die and decompose. For me that insanity of his comment was to link something we need (all plants) with automobiles, that we do not need to survive. This lopsided logic also came from the same man who felt it his mission in life to liberate the people of Nicaragua by funding a band of terrorists squads (aptly named ‘freedom fighters’). May we all be protected from such lunacy again, including the influence of pseudoscientific babblers, which includes the periodic eruptions from Dr. David Suzuki.
Good call Scott, BUT I think in some circumstances plants can decay naturally without releasing GHCs like when they become peat.
This is just hilarious entertainment.
“‘520 million tonnes’, that’s all? That seems in error. They obviously mean 520 teragrams.”
Is this some kind of Pacific Coast humor that went over my head? For any who don’t know,
1 teragram = 1 megaton. –AGF
REPLY: yeah, I was being a little cheeky, I’ve added a note to make that clear since I didn’t express it well the first time. In was playing on the media’s tendency to use the largest number possible and tera is much bigger than mega. – Anthony
just…wow. what will they come up with next for sources on earth causing warming? clearly ALL warming must come from the planet, nothing else according to them. This is an absurd theory and shows the lack of an argument they have nowadays.
Dinosaur version of the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles.
Blazing Sauropods.
What a hoot!
Of course, if we still had any dinosaurs around, they’d be classified and an endangered and protected species. Mainstream media would be fretting (going bonkers) over their imminent extinction.
As a satire, written for publication in The Onion, this would be a great article. But it isn’t.
As science, it’s a load of coprolites!
Dinosaur version of a Mel Brooks movie.
Blazing Sauropods.
Did the animals have long necks so that their noses were as far as possible from their bottoms?
Seems like a lot of hot air.
Academia climate science has turned into a big joke. Lot of really funny British comedians are Scouses (Liverpudlians), I wander what Ken Dodd would have made of it
http://laceysfilms.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ken-dodd-insurance-431.jpg?w=431
It just doesn’t pass the sniff test
So, how does this differ from growing corn or soy to fuel our vehicles? Which is not supposed to result in any net warming?
Anthony!
520 million ton is = 520 000 000 ton = 520 000 000 000 000 gram = 520 teragram
or in sequence:
520 teragram
520 000 gigagram
520 000 000 megagram
520 000 000 000 kilogram
520 000 000 000 000 gram = 520 million ton
REPLY: No, I know that…it was a poorly executed pun at MSM’s tendency to use large numbers to describe things in the worst possible terms…see the update I added in parenthesis – A
Where’s did I set that BS button again . . . ?
Makes me ashamed to admit that I am a paleontologist! Forgive them Cuvier, they know not what they do.
It’s almost hilarious the traction this story has acquired, apart from the fact that so many people are taking it so seriously. FFS, it was mentioned in the headlines of BBC Radio news today. I guess it appeals to the five-year-old in all of us.
It’s obvious tosh, of course. The truth about the demise of the dinosaurs is here.
A climate craziness of the week already… IT’S MONDAY!
… and it stinks.