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Midwest Mark

How about, “Do you remember any national media outlets overhyping extreme weather events in the past 12 months”?

Ethically Civil

Extreme Weather Events — c.f., where the only statistically significant difference was the number of new reports about shark attacks.
“History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme” — unknown (often mis-attributed to Twain)


60% of Americans have personally experienced “extreme high winds” in the last year? What is “extreme high wind” anyway? Surely hurricane-force at least. Living on the Gulf Coast, the last time I experienced a hurricane-force wind was in 2008. It must be really, really windy where those 60% live.


That time line is a brilliant device for conveying the effect of communications on perceptions.

Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies….and this poll is a doozy.


According to the poll 21% of respondents experencie a tornado in the last year. Extrapolating that out to the U.S. population, that would mean that over 60 million Americans were affected by tornadoes in 2011. That strikes me as wildly inaccurate and falls into question whether this poll has any validity at all.

Richard M

The item about tornadoes gives away this is a scam. There’s no way 21% of Americans have personally experienced a tornado in the last year.


Ha. Bigfoot… Russian scientists thought they actually existed. Google Zana bigfoot… Out of boredom, I looked much closer to see what I can find… I came away being convinced that they are real. Go figure. You just have to find the right places for actual stuff, not silly things by MSM. I’ve heard that we could not duplicate the movement of that bigfoot in that grainy video. Also, how to be able to tell real foot prints from fake ones (yes there are actual real foot prints).
Keep it in mind… Panda bears once thought were to be extinct… It took many years to find them because we knew very little about them. Once we found them, we gained much more knowledge on how they function in the wild and were much easier to find them.
That could be said the same thing for bigfoot if they actually existed. The point is that we attack some things that we clearly do not understand or know much. I learned that mistake a long time ago and vowed never to do that and always keep open mind and be skeptical of everything…
I see Wiki did not learn of Göbekli Tepe 10,000-12,000 years ago, the earliest civilization known so far.

Rob Crawford

“1942 – Hedy Lamarr …”
That’s Hedl… Oh, no, this time it really is Hedy. Never mind.

Interstellar Bill

All I know is that after living in the same So Cal city (Torrance) for 30 years
that the entire temperature range has shifted almost 10F lower.
We used to get four months of nights over 70F, now there’s a handful.
We used to get only two months of nights under 55F, now its six months.
I want my global warming!


All in preparation of Earth Day propaganda blitz. More demonizing those who disagree with the “establishment” agenda.

Poor Yorek

Just a friendly editorial comment:
“Problem is, the data does not support it.” => ” … the data do not support it.”


Simple minded nonsense. Nothing but alarmism with no scientific basis whatsoever. In fact no link exists between weather and such gradual warming as may have occurred. Meanwhile the link between weather and La Nina is firm. As is the link between spring temperatures and tornadoes.
And i don’t know what the Warmists will do if the assertion that water vapor is a negative feedback is verified as claimed in the link below. That would mean that there is actually little to worry about even if CO2 were and important forcing agent, which it is not.


If they had tried this poll in Europe, I’m sure a higher percentage would have responded “yes” to extreme cold weather; after last winter with multiple deaths due to cold weather.
Conclusion: weather ain’t climate.

Rhys Jaggar

I think you need to distinguish between opinion polling (which is merely a snapshot of public opinion), scientific concensus and the reality of hard data.
There is little if any correlation between the three of them……

The only conclusion to be taken from this poll (or propaganda), is that when it comes to climate, both science and academia are now totally dishonest and corrupt. You can’t do any deals with people like that, because they’ll never keep their word.
Time for a root and branch clear out, tear it down and make a clean start.

Pull My Finger

OMG that 1972 Radio Shack catalog brings back memories. My dad had a stereo from that year… 8 track and all!

George E. Smith;

…………………………. “””””
Do you recall any noteworthy change in your local climate; from what you remember from 100 years ago ?
Do you recall any noteworthy change in the climate of the USA from what you remember from 100 years ago ?
Do you think your local weather today, may be caused by those changes in climate from what you remember 100 years ago ?
What are you personally doing to correct the changes in your local climate from what you remember from 100 years ago?
How much is it worth to you to return to the climate that you remeber from 100 years ago ?

Science by POLLING people to see what they think?
George Orwell would be proud. The Ministry of Truth lives.


The NYT adds a layer of bull…
And promote McKibben’s agenda…
In Canada, democracy should be subverted by legal activism as per this article published in the green peddling Globe & Mail, signed by Ecojustice and David Suzuki Foundation CEOs, all bank rolled by Tides:
Two sides of the same totalitarian machine…


In propaganda, it doesn’t matter what is true, only what is believed to be true.


With more and more half-assed scientific studies and “polls” originating from Ivy League institutions like Yale, the reading public is also beginning to ‘connect the dots’. These prestigious universities are expensive money pits, adhering to a radically warped political point of view, and have little regard for the proper implementation of the Scientific Method.


David Suzuki and Greenpeace protecting their money train in Canada kind of goes along with rigging the polls. Just what happened to science, sad?


“Most people in the country are looking at everything that’s happened; it just seems to be one disaster after another after another,” said Anthony A. Leiserowitz of Yale University, one of the researchers who commissioned the new poll. “People are starting to connect the dots.”
Funny, I just heard that new “connect the dots” meme yesterday: Bill McKibben’s latest project – “It’s Time to Connect the Dots Between Climate Change and Extreme Weather”:
Get ready to hear that phrase repeated ad nauseum.

kbray in california

Here’s something to really worry about…
The Sun just lost 20% of its volume…
If that really did happen… we would be in deep kaka.
So don’t sweat this normal weather stuff.
It has always been… And it always will be.
Just hope the Sun keeps on truckin’ within normal variability.
A major change in the Sun… now that would be very problematic.

Phil C

Since warming hasn’t been cooperating lately …
Anthony, I guess you slept through Winter this year.
REPLY: LOL! I guess you didn’t visit Alaska or Eastern Europe this year. But, I was referring to the last decade, not the season. Thanks for proving my point of this article where people like yourself who don’t have the wherewithal to distinguish focus on such things. – Anthony

Sleepalot says:
April 18, 2012 at 10:34 am
In propaganda, it doesn’t matter what is true, only what is believed to be true.

Change that to “…only what the propagandist wants you to believe is true” and you’ve nailed it.

Silver Ralph

“Most people in the country are looking at everything that’s happened; it just seems to be one sensationalist 24hr news story after another after another,”
There – fixed that for you….

Phil C says:
April 18, 2012 at 11:09 am
Anthony, I guess you slept through Winter this year.
REPLY: LOL! I guess you didn’t visit Alaska or Eastern Europe this year – Anthony
The Ukraine got hammered.

Pete in Cumbria UK

Is it conceivable that Anthony A. Leiserowitz has or is ‘losing the faith’ Is this poll actually an attempt to buoy up their own beliefs in CAGW? Are they riddled with self doubt?
Similar to handing out loads of invitations to your own birthday party, doncha just panic sometimes that no-one is gonna show up. so, you rush round quizzing as many as possible – just in case it all falls flat and turns into One Monumental Fail.
In answer to your questions Mr Leiserowitz , CAGW is now flat. And failed.


“01wmarsh says:
April 18, 2012 at 10:19 am
Science by POLLING people to see what they think? George Orwell would be proud. The Ministry of Truth lives.”
Actually, I rather think Orwell would be horrified. He wrote 1984 as a warning, not as an instruction manual for ‘green’ politicians and NGOs to use against the rest of us.

I, like TomL ,live on the gulf coast, and I also don’t remember anything close to what I would call an extreme high wind event. Several years ago when I lived in Vermont there was a wind storm with 70 mph winds, it might have been a tornado. That is the only extreme wind I remember in years. It must be quite windy between S.W. Florida and Vermont.


Re: Timeline of communication technology
There is evidence written communication may have started over 6,000 years ago, called Vinca symbols.


By ‘connect the dots’ they mean prepare the virgins for sacrifice. Gad, they’re running the Enlightenment on rewind.


Since the science is “settled”, can someone please explain the mechanism by which CO2 can cause extreme weather without raising global temperatures? I must have missed that part in my college science courses.

Big Bob

This study is really just a poll to see how well the MSM and AGW crowd is doing their job . Most people have no real knowledge of weather extremes or global warming beyond what we are told by one side or the other. Most don’t search the data and read all the blogs to make up their own minds about the subject. What’s more, most people aren’t concerned about enough about the subject to take the time to even give it much thought.
The fact that most people un-concerned about AGW or whatever it is called this week should tell us something. If people were really concerned about sea level rise etc., ocean front property would be being given away. I assure you it is not.

Billy Liar

Here’s some more hot air from Leiserowitz:
In typical social science fashion, it is packed with utterly meaningless statistics that can be used by ‘policy-makers’ to provide support for whatever they want support for. A very valuable document (/sarc). Also, it cannot be replicated because he provides no information whatever about the nature of the interviews, the questions asked, the selection of participants or their social class. He does reveal that 595 people participated in the survey mentioned below (0.0002% of the 2003 US population)
I loved this quote from his 2003 survey:
The second highest response was planting a tree (49%), an action that has become perhaps the quintessential, symbolic “environmental act.”
the rest of us call it ‘landscaping’ or ‘gardening’.

Louis says:
April 18, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Since the science is “settled”, can someone please explain the mechanism by which CO2 can cause extreme weather without raising global temperatures? I must have missed that part in my college science courses.

Didn’t you get the message? It’s not ‘global warming’ any more; it’s ‘climate change’. See, man is causing ‘climate change’, and the proof is all the ‘extreme’ weather we’re hearing about. And even though there doesn’t seem to be any warming lately, we all know CO2 is a ‘pollutant’, and pollutants are probably causing climate change, and man makes CO2 by burning coal and gasoline, and. . .
Well, you know. After all, 97% of all the scientists agree. Or was that 97% of doctors, who said that Camels are “Kind to your T-Zone”?
/Mr Lynn


I can connect the dots on a freckled face all I want, it will not turn into the blueprints for a time machine. Perception is not empiric evidence is not science.

I think you should add:
“2012 – The closest living relatives of chimpanzees, and other monkeys, still believe that heat – from the Earth’s surface – moves through the Atmosphere in the same fashion as do radio-signals.”


They didn’t interview Mojave Max on this poll.
Mojave Max, a desert tortoise, is supposed to emerge from his burrow each year to signal the start of springlike weather in Southern Nevada.
Max finally dragged his shell out of the ground for the first time at 12:41 p.m. Tuesday, 4/17/2012. It was the latest the desert tortoise has emerged from his winter slumber since 2000, besting the old mark by a full three days.


My local 24 hour news radio station (WBBM Chicago), a 50,000 Watt clear channel radio station,
put out a news blurb this A.M. about the Yale study.
It said ( I called the radio station for a transcript, they would only point me to a NY Times article) IIRC, “Yale study says 69% believe in global warming, and people believe the weather is getting worse”, 69% seemed high.
It was just a 10 second blurb saying the above.
The NY Times article:
Excerpts from the article:

When invited to agree or disagree with the statement, “global warming is affecting the weather in the United States,” 69 percent of respondents in the new poll said they agreed, while 30 percent disagreed.

A large majority of climate scientists say the climate is shifting in ways that could cause serious impacts, and they cite the human release of greenhouse gases as a principal cause. But a tiny, vocal minority of researchers contests that view, and has seemed in the last few years to be winning the battle of public opinion despite slim scientific evidence for their position.
Where did the NY Times get their 69% number from ?
There is no 69% agreement on anything unless you combine categories.
Is there ?
Of course I knew by the time I got home, Anthony would be all over the story 🙂


The whole strategy of using scare tactics is beginning to fail as people simply switch off due to “scare” exhaustion, regardless of the facts in the matter.


Poor Yorek says: “Just a friendly editorial comment:
“Problem is, the data does not support it.” => ” … the data do not support it.””
Aah! Doncha just love the Grammar Nazis …. ?
REPLY: No, I don’t, mostly they have nothing else to contribute – Anthony

Dan Lee

The questions reflect a particular narrative, so the poll wasn’t really about the weather, the poll was checking to see how the narrative is coming along. So if 60 million extrapolated people would consider themselves to have been affected by tornado activity, presumably by watching the coverage on TV, then the narrative has indeed been effective.
Voters affected by a narrative are far greater in number than people affected by actual events, so in terms of political power (which is what ANY poll is really about), reality takes a distant back seat to the narrative.

This poll is nothing more than raw propaganda.


Guys, I’m sure most all of you have experienced extreme weather during the past 12 months. I myself have experienced extreme weather for every one of my 58 years. I was so disgusted with extreme weather in the mid-west that I swore in 1973 I’d never return there (or east of the Rockies, for that matter). Whether it was excessive rain, snow, wind, wildfires, drought, floods, tornadoes, ball lightning – there has always been something cool to talk about. (I have been fortunate enough not to witness a hurricane or cyclone, and none of the above events caused serious damage to me and mine.) A place as large and climatically diverse as North America means few of us can dodge it. I haven’t always lived in California (and hopefully will be moved out by year’s end), and I do travel a lot (yes, despite swearing in 1973, throughout the U.S.), but I also watch the news. Every year the national news includes my home town (and Californians are practically the center of the universe) in the weather, I assume it is nationally extreme. And we have extreme fires, floods, snowfalls, droughts – frequently all in the same year.
The MSM always does their best to make every disaster personal, so that I (and 60 million other Americans) think we were ground zero for the latest rain, snow…. It was a poor question, because it makes it easy for everyone to say ‘yes’. It was qualitative. And it doesn’t account for my friends and me who went out looking – successfully – for tornadoes, and ski trips that always had exceptionally little snow, or were exceptionally cold.) That latter has a lot to do with it. We changed locations. Kansas is cold in the winter – but some of those mountain tops were unbelievable! (i.e., extreme to me)
During college, I worked as a truck driver (furniture). Loading a truck in Texas during Christmas break while wearing a t-shirt, and unloading in Minnesota two days later with only a t-shirt and a denim jacket in cold so severe electrons didn’t flow fast enough to keep fluorescent lights glowing made me think I was experiencing extreme weather. After all, I was going to school in Southern California – the beach. (Denim was sufficient for any cold weather. Just two years after leaving the Midwest – why would I think the weather had changed?) That kind of cold was extreme – to me!
Oh – and please don’t correct me on the frozen electrons. I was a physics major. I know why those low temperatures kept the lights out. I just prefer my story. I was never so cold, and I think the universe felt it. That was just one of my many ‘extreme cold’ experiences.


People only know what they are told about weather related events.
How many here know that in late 1978 the Kafue River flooded catastrophically after a concentrated series of storms over its area of origin in the Copperbelt Province of Zambia?
In one small area near Luanshya at least eighteen villages disappeared from the face of the earth, no trace of any of them could be found two weeks later. How many lived in those villages? No-one knows or ever will. How do I know of this devastation? My father was one of those who went searching the relevant areas.
The storm surge in the Kafue affected people living near the Zambezi, into which the Kafue flows, for a very long way. The Cahora Bassa dam in Mozambique couldn’t cope with the flood with deaths and wide-spread destruction occurring.
If it is not reported, it didn’t happen according to our corrupted MSM.


Doing a study about how many scare stories people have read is mentaly challenged.
Statistics do not confirm a rtrent to more extreem weather.
Since wind speed is proportional to temperature DIFFERENCE not the absolute temperature I would be surprised if CO2 [blanket] effects didn’t cause less violent storms.
The strongest storms happen in the spring and fall when differences are greatest.