NASA chief scientist Waleed Abdalati is clueless about what James Hansen is doing with his position at GISS

UPDATE: 11:30AM 4/12/12 Predictably, Andrew Revkin from the New York Times joins in with the poo-pooing consensus saying it is “utterly unremarkable ” (yet he writes a article about it – go figure). From Revkin’s shuttered in world of living in the woods (he didn’t even know what the TV show Seinfeld was until I brought it to his attention in Climategate2), that’s probably true, but Andy, here is one of your favorite consensus buzzphrases that can be applied: it is an unprecedented letter. There’s no denying that. – Anthony

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From the Daily Caller, in my opinion, a load of “hooey” from NASA’s chief scientist, particularly since James Hansen doesn’t bother with peer review much anymore, he just publishes opinions and protopapers to his Columbia University website and a compliant MSM repeats them as if they were in fact peer reviewed. Further,  Hansen has never accepted an offer to debate, and he probably won’t. Clearly NASA’s chief scientist is clueless about what is going on.

Dr. Waleed Abdalati speaking at the Juno Tweet...

Dr. Waleed Abdalati speaking at the Juno Tweetup at the Kennedy Space Center (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

NASA swipes back at former astronauts over climate change

NASA is swiping back at a group of nearly 50 of its former scientists and astronauts who wrote to accuse the space agency of advocating the “extreme” position that global warming is the result of man-made carbon dioxide.

In a March 28 letter addressed to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, 49 former employees said the “unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.”

But NASA responded on Wednesday by saying they don’t “draw conclusions and issue ‘claims’ about research findings.”

“We support open scientific inquiry and discussion,” NASA chief scientist Waleed Abdalati said in a statement provided to The Daily Caller.

“If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse,” Abdalati said.

He added: “NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate.”

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“We support open scientific inquiry and discussion” That, my friends, is a political statement. Chief scientist? That’s a talking head, I’m sorry. Unlikely he does know or even care about ol’ Loose-Cannon-Hansen.

pokerguy

This is good in my opinion. Just the kind of thing we should hope for. Not only a response which by definition opens up an actual discussion which has been sorely lacking, but a weak response (which of course is about all they can ever manage)…
This is exactly why public attacks by credible, respected persons is so important.. We saw the same thing in the signed letter to the WSJ. By attacking the hack establishment warmists, they’re forced to respond, and by their response they show how weak they are.
We need more. MOre signed letters. More weak responses. It’s all good.

Owen

“We support open scientific inquiry and discussion,” I laughed my butt off when I read this.
NASA all but called the everyone who signed that letter Deniers. Abdalati is a disgrace but in all fairness is just a mouthpiece for the White House that is hellbent on shoving down the throats of everyone in America the Global Warming lie. The Climate Liars will do anything to advance their agenda, even smear the reputations of 50 great patriots.

crosspatch

NASA chief scientist Waleed Abdalati is clueless

The rest is just fluff.

Bloke down the pub

If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature.
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If anything was learnt from climategate it was that the likes of Hansen exert undue influence over the scientific literature.

Dell from Michigan

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. I am the Great Wizard of Algore. Pay me and my comrade from NASA/GISS Jim Hansen lots of money for our carbon credits and we will save you from the doom and gloom.

BarryW

But what does all this have to do with NASA’s prime mission of Moslem outreach?

theduke

I thought that is what they were doing–“disagreeing with scientific conclusions . . .in a public forum.”

Babsy

As for not drawing conclusions, I guess he missed the memo about the boiling oceans….

“…we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse,”
Translation: accuse the *skeptics* of saying “there’s no room for debate.”

EternalOptimist

‘We support open scientific inquiry and discussion’, is not a political statement. It is a sanctimonious statement intended to gain the high gound in a debate, because no rational person could ever disagree with it.
Who would open a statement with
‘We do NOT support open scientific inquiry’
Who would open a statement with
‘We do NOT want discussion’
sanctimonious rubbish. in my opinion

Theo Goodwin

What about Gavin Schmidt and his minions? He operates a website dedicated to promoting CAGW and he does it on NASA time. Is that part of peer reviewed literature?

pat

“Abdalati is seconded to NASA from the University of Colorado at Boulder, where he is Director of the Earth Science and Observation Center at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences[4] and Associate Professor in the Department of Geography[5]. Abdalati
earned a Bachelor of Science (cum laude) from Syracuse University Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering in 1986[3], and later completed his graduate studies at the University of Colorado, where he received a M.Sc. in 1991 from the Department of Aerospace Engineering Sciences and a Ph.D. in 1996 from the Department of Geography[3][6]. In his doctoral research, Abdalati developed an algorithm to use the ratio of two microwave bands of the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager (SSM/I) sensor aboard Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) vehicles to remotely detect changes in the spatial extent of the Greenland ice sheet experiencing melt each year.[7]”
Yup. A full throttle Warmist.

https://mdao.grc.nasa.gov/aeroquiz/aeroquizjul98.html
“Week of 7/13/98
Q: Peregrine falcons dive at speeds in excess of 200 miles per hour, striking their prey with traumatic force. Their diving speed potentially makes the falcon the fastest animal on the planet, and faster than the diving speeds of many airplanes. Amazingly, they dive at speeds faster than their terminal velocity. How?
A: They power themselves downward by flicking their wings as they fall.
No one got the correct answer!
– The Aeroquiz Editor”
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We can’t really blame NASA for one idiot’s stupidity, but we can blame them for allowing this superbird myth to flourish for the duration of their existence. And this is a thousand times simpler than climatology. –AGF

jimash1

” “NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate.””
Are there any experiments to cite that would support this claim ?

Chuck Nolan

I doubt he’s clueless. He’s just keeping his toes up next to the line and his nose in the trough like a good boy. NOBODY is speaking out and saying anything different than their bosses. Remember Hansen is just doing our president’s dirty work. I’ve never noticed a large gathering at any protest which included Hansen but, since he’s NASA it’s headlines and they all know it.

Atomic Hairdryer

“We support open scientific inquiry and discussion,”
Don’t they also support RC? Or is that the “public forum” Abdalati is refering to, where open scientific inquiry and discussion can be swiftly closed down.

Chuck Nolan

Is Waleed Abdalati’s being told by his boss to keep Hansen quiet?
Why they don’t want him to shut up?
Boggles the mind.

John West

“NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate.”
NASA sponsors employs research advocates into many areas of cutting-edge precarious scientificpolitical inquirygatekeeping, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate.
There, fixed it.

Bob Gaddrod

The SpaceRef website has the full NASA release which includes:

Response from NASA Chief Scientist Waleed Abdalati
to Letter on NASA Climate Studies

“NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate. As an agency, NASA does not draw conclusions and issue ‘claims’ about research findings. We support open scientific inquiry and discussion.”

Since the contact person for the letter is Harrison Schmidt, who serves also as a Heartland Institute board member, it seems (to me) that a constructive response would be for Heartland Institute to announce its unequivocal support for Dr. Abdalati’s principled “no muzzle” position.
Solid grounds for Dr. Abdalati’s principled position may be found in historian Stephen B. Johnson’s The Secret of Apollo: Systems Management in American and European Space Programs, which details the development of NASA’s lessons-learned culture of (wisely) never allowing scientists and politicians to muzzle the opinions of scientists and engineers.
Bottom Line For solid historical reasons, the overwhelming majority of NASA scientists and engineers oppose administrative/political muzzling of opinions.

The mainstream tech forum slashdot has picked up the story now:
“A coalition of 49 ex-NASA employees, including seven Apollo astronauts, have accused the U.S. space agency of sullying its reputation by taking the ‘extreme position’ of concluding that carbon dioxide is a major cause of climate change. Is the claim in this letter opinion or fact?”
http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/04/12/176200/ex-nasa-employees-accuse-agency-of-extreme-position-on-climate-change
With the predictable co2 climate doomsday responses in their comment threads.

Mike M

With NASA receiving about $1.2 BILLION this year SPECIFICALLY designated for “Combatting Climate Change” – I’d be surprised if Dr, Abdalati had not said what he did.

Snotrocket

Further to what Pat said…

“My research interests are in the use of satellite and airborne remote sensing techniques, integrated with in situ observations and modeling, to understand how and why the Earth’s ice cover is changing, and what those changes mean for life on Earth. In particular, my research focuses on the contributions of ice sheets and high-latitude glaciers to sea level rise and their relationship to the changing climate.” (Waleed Abdalati)

(My bold)
The lack of equivocation seems to indicate that Mr Abdalati has already made up his mind about what he is studying. All he had to add to his profile (http://cires.colorado.edu/people/abdalati/) were the words, ‘or not’.

Mac the Knife

Ahhh…. mush mouth words from a mush mouth bureaucrat/politician.
Don’t expect anything else from ‘Why-lead?’ Abdalati!
MtK

DaveG

Thanks to the honest ex NASA guys for revealing the rotten core inside NASA.
NASA’s reaction is exactly what I expected – NASA IS circling the wagons.
pokerguy : Stated it best, essentially NASA continuer’s to dig deeper in to the sewer field that is mainstream climate science today. Talk about cutting their noses off to spite their face- Idiots!
It simply exposes their soft warmist data manipulating belly more and more each time as they go deeper into the mine feild with out a map or a mine sweeper. PLEEESE keep it up!!!!
PS anthony. The spell check funtion has stoped working?
REPLY: no, spell check is fine, PEBKAC, and it is spreading. – Anthony

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

NASA’s Global Climate Change site:
http://climate.nasa.gov/
“Evidence” section:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Resources
The following are the key sources of data and information contained on this page:
* IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, Summary for Policymakers
* IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, Technical Summary
* NOAA Paleoclimatology

Yes, someone was lazy and the first two links are the same, only going to the IPCC home page.

The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling:
Sea level rise
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.4

Ref 4: Church, J. A. and N.J. White (2006), A 20th century acceleration in global sea level rise, Geophysical Research Letters, 33, L01602, doi:10.1029/2005GL024826.
The global sea level estimate described in this work can be downloaded
from the CSIRO website.

Someone better let them know how that rate of global sea level rise has slowed down of late.

Global temperature rise
All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880. 5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. 6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase. 7

Refs:

5 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ anomalies/index.html
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp
6 T.C. Peterson et.al., “State of the Climate in 2008,” Special Supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, v. 90, no. 8, August 2009, pp. S17-S18.
7 I. Allison et.al., The Copenhagen Diagnosis: Updating the World on the Latest Climate Science, UNSW Climate Change Research Center, Sydney, Australia, 2009, p. 11
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20100121/
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum.htm

So when are they going to notice that global warming has basically stalled for over a decade?
There’s a brief “Glacial retreat” section, with a nice picture with caption “The disappearing snowcap of Mount Kilimanjaro, from space.” When it has been chewed over to death on this site, using peer-reviewed published research, that Kilimanjaro is a land-use change issue unrelated to “global warming”.

Extreme events
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events. 11

Ref: http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/cei/
Intense rainfall events? If a deluge fell in a forest in 1940 and NOAA wasn’t there to measure it, did it happen?
With “evidence” of this caliber presented by NASA, I can easily understand while some people can be slightly upset.
And that’s without clicking on the NASA’s Role tab and finding out “Venus had been roasted by a super-charged greenhouse effect.” I thought by current research it was only Hansen that still believed Venus had a runaway greenhouse effect. Oh well, who cares about current data and research when there’s a message to deliver? Not NASA, that much is clear.

KnR

Can Abdalati show us the reaserch or into cutting-edge scientific inquiry that supporters Hansen’s infamous boiling oceans or coal death train claims ?

MarciaF

Climate at NASA for Kids is replete with conclusions and claims, accompanied by some really scary pictures and predictions. Is NASA challenging the little children to participate in an open debate with their scientists, or merely taking advantage of their malleability?

roberto

Open enquiry is a good thing. Eventually finding answers that apply to this universe is also a good thing.

Latitude

REPLY: no, spell check is fine, PEBKAC, and it is spreading. – Anthony
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nob, speel chack as nobe workink

bravozulu

Something tells me he is probably part of the new priority NASA mission of building ties to the Muslim world.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2010/07/nasas-new-mission-building-ties-muslim-world/12425
“I will be representing all of the science in the agency, ensuring that it is aligned with and fulfills the administration’s science objectives, and advocating for NASA science in the context of those broader government science agendas,” he said.
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2010/12/13/cu-boulder-professor-waleed-abdalati-named-chief-scientist-nasa
That certainly doesn’t fill me with confidence that science is even a concern. Call me cynical and biased but he sounds like a typical bureaucratic advocate for the politics of Obama and not someone interested in actual science.

jbird

@Mike M
>>With NASA receiving about $1.2 BILLION this year SPECIFICALLY designated for “Combatting Climate Change” – I’d be surprised if Dr, Abdalati had not said what he did.
Hmmm. I’m confused. I had heard that NASA had been repurposed to do Muslim outreach. So what are they, a goodwill agency, space engineering agency, or climate research agency?
Do they even know what they are now? Does the government? Do the taxpayers? Hey! We’re payin’ for this stuff!

Len

We should all remember that NASA chief scientist Waleed Abdalati was appointed by Obama for “outreach” to the Muslum world and not for any space or scientific reason.

rbateman

Al Gore makes a cheap imitation of a Michael Moore type movie, and is ready with the popcorn and Carbon Indulgences in the Lobby. Jim Hansen gets himself arrested, while in the employ of NASA, at a coal-fired electric plant, and somehow NASA is none-the-wiser.
Where is the CO2 science behind this, if any?

DesertYote

As I have pointed out in several posts including in tips, this guy is not a scientist, but a CAGW propagandist. What in the world is a cryosphere “expert” doing as NASAs chief scientist? I guess “what in the world” is right. NASA no longer cares about space.

Now all we need is an anotated list of quotes from NASA funded researchers who were trying/advocating restricting the debate and smother opposition research in the peer reviewed literature, to prove his statement is asserting the exact opposite of reality.
Publish that as a direct response to his statement and invite the NASA climate folks to an open debate of the science.
Call his bluff!
Larry

Adrian O

WHO ARE THESE GUYS? and
WHY ARE THEY THERE?
Poor NASA space heroes.
The climate scare folks have taken over their institution.
Wasn’t NASA supposed to be the National Aeronautics and Space Administration?
What are ice and climate people like Abdalati, Hansen and Schmidt doing there anyway?
Is the place used for political appointments?
We should get rid ASAP of the people who trash one of our science treasures…

EW-3

Have done several searches for this guy and never seem to come up with a birth place. His NASA bio shows nothing as several other sites I found.
Anyone know ?

beesaman

This reminds me of The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, if the engineers where on the C Ark, then scientists like Hansen would be on the B Ark. The only one to be launched into deep space…and with good reason…

Latitude says:
April 12, 2012 at 12:28 pm
REPLY: no, spell check is fine, PEBKAC, and it is spreading. – Anthony
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nob, speel chack as nobe workink

speel chek does not work for me here on WUWT but works fine on other forums.
(firefox 11.0)
Larry

James Allison

kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
April 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm
You raise a very good point. Why is NASA allowed to continue its blatant CAGW propoganda on their website? Not only that Government agency but also CSIRO, NIWA and others who have been shown to manipulate data and present propaganda to suit their warmista agenda. As you say most of their global warming propaganda has already been debunked by WUWT. The probem is that they are presented as piecemeal posts over a long period of time. The question is how to pull together all these relevant WUWT posts such a way as to have maximum impact.

Bob Gaddrod

It is an unprecedented letter. There’s no denying that. – Anthony
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Any citizen can verify that the Heartland Institute presently hosts, on its own web site, one hundred and thirty four policy-related documents that refer to “open letters”. Moreover, several of the “open letter” documents that the Heartland Institute presently hosts—for example, letters to the American Physical Society, to the Canadian Prime Minister, to the Secretary General of the United Nations, to the Speaker of the House, and to “US Senators”—substantially duplicate the substance of the most recent “open letter” to NASA. So perhaps the word “repeated letter” might be more accurate than “unprecedented letter”?
REPLY: My goodness your zeal to defend the consensus makes you appear dense. Show me a letter like this from 49 people who worked at NASA, including people like Chris Craft, who have never spoken out before, and you might have a point – Anthony

HankHenry

How many whopping engineering mistakes has NASA made? Space telescope mirror, a mars orbiter metric mistake, a couple space shuttles, come to mind. Doing a search on “NASA error” bring a lot more to light including a balloon launch mishap in Australia where the person in charge called 911 when his balloon hit a car.

beesaman

Just thought, does NASA now stand for,
Not A Space Agency?

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

Before the bashing of Dr. Waleed Abdalati escalates, Wikipedia has his bona fide list:

Abdalati is seconded to NASA from the University of Colorado at Boulder, where he is Director of the Earth Science and Observation Center at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences[4] and Associate Professor in the Department of Geography[5]. Abdalati earned a Bachelor of Science (cum laude) from Syracuse University Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering in 1986[3], and later completed his graduate studies at the University of Colorado, where he received a M.Sc. in 1991 from the Department of Aerospace Engineering Sciences and a Ph.D. in 1996 from the Department of Geography[3][6]. In his doctoral research, Abdalati developed an algorithm to use the ratio of two microwave bands of the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager (SSM/I) sensor aboard Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) vehicles to remotely detect changes in the spatial extent of the Greenland ice sheet experiencing melt each year.[7]

Sounds like someone who’s more engineer than a pure-theory scientist, who has actually gotten his hands dirty and worked with tech beyond a keyboard and monitor.
So let’s cut him some slack and not trash him so much over a statement that upper management expected him to issue, okay?

alan

BarryW says:
from April 12, 2012 at 10:58 am
“But what does all this have to do with NASA’s prime mission of Moslem outreach?”
I’m sure that Waleed Abdalati is on top that priority!

suissebob

I’m getting caned over at the Guardian, is it because I’m wrong?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/12/attacks-climate-science-nasa-staff

John from CA

NASA does post a Climate Uncertainties Page on their Climate website but its not very detailed.
NASA: Global Climate Change
http://climate.nasa.gov/uncertainties/
Climate Uncertainties Page includes:
– Solar Irradiance
– Aerosols, Dust, Smoke, and Soot
– Clouds
– Carbon Cycle
– Ocean Circulation
– Precipitation
– Sea Level Rise

Olen

The response to those who sent the letter describing their concerns about the credibility of NASA, in promoting climate change, showed no professional recognition of the service, creditability and historical importance of these scientists and astronauts or appreciation for their concerns.
Rather than thank them for their concerns, NASA responded to the courtesy of those who sent the letter by telling them to not bother NASA and if I read it right to go public with their concerns.
Quote: “If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse,” Abdalati said.”

kbray in california

MuslimLink Canada is proud of this appointment…
http://www.muslimlink.ca/biz-tech/biz-tech/nasas-new-chief-scientist-is-muslim
“In his new posting, Dr. Abdalati will serve as NASA Administrator Charles Bolden’s, chief adviser on the agency’s science programs, planning and science investments.
He will also work with the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and the Office of Management and Budget.”
This was a PC chess move.
Science and Politics don’t mix well.
My stomach wants to hurl chunks.
After the idiots make a mess, science will win…
eventually…