A reply to Shakun et al – Dr. Munchausen Explains Science By Proxy

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

There’s a new study entitled “Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation”, Shakun et al. (paywalled, hereinafter Shakun2012). The paper claims to show that in the warming since the last ice age, CO2 leads temperature. Anthony wrote about it in his post “A new paper in Nature suggests CO2 leads temperature, but has some serious problems“. The press release says (emphasis mine):

A new study, funded by the National Science Foundation and published in the journal Nature, identifies this relationship and provides compelling evidence that rising CO2 caused much of the global warming.

Lead author Jeremy Shakun, who conducted much of the research as a doctoral student at Oregon State University, said the key to understanding the role of CO2 is to reconstruct globally averaged temperature changes during the end of the last Ice Age, which contrasts with previous efforts that only compared local temperatures in Antarctica to carbon dioxide levels.

“Carbon dioxide has been suspected as an important factor in ending the last Ice Age, but its exact role has always been unclear because rising temperatures reflected in Antarctic ice cores came before rising levels of CO2,” said Shakun, who is a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Post-doctoral Fellow at Harvard University and Columbia University.

“But if you reconstruct temperatures on a global scale – and not just examine Antarctic temperatures – it becomes apparent that the CO2 change slightly preceded much of the global warming, and this means the global greenhouse effect had an important role in driving up global temperatures and bringing the planet out of the last Ice Age,” Shakun added.

The good news about the paper is that they have provided the temperature records (Excel spreadsheet) for the 80 proxies used in the study. My compliments to them.

Me being a suspicious fellow, however, I figured “trust but verify”, so I plotted up the temperature records that they used. I always begin with the original data, without any additions or distractions. Figure 1 shows the data that they used.

Figure 1. Records and types of proxies used in the Shakun2012 study 

As you can see, some of the ice core records are down where we’d expect them to be, well below zero. Those are the GRIP and NGRIP records from Greenland. But there are some oddities about these proxies.

One problem that is immediately obvious is the timing. The peaks for the previous interglacial period (the Eemian, about 130,000 BC) don’t line up. That may not be much of a problem, though, because the paper is about the warming from the most recent ice age.

One oddity is that there are ice core records that are right around freezing (0°C). In addition, there are pollen records around freezing as well. This shows that we actually have a mix of anomaly records and actual temperature records. This is not a problem, just an oddity.

Next, let’s take a look at the location of the proxies. Figure 2 is from their paper:

Figure 2. Location of the proxies used in the Shakun2012 study. 

 This looks good, it looks like there may be passable coverage. So let’s look at the last glacial transition, we’ll look at the time since 26,000 BC.

Figure 3. Same data as in Figure 1, but showing the warming from the last ice age.

Here, you can see the Antarctic ice core records (yellow and green lines near 0°C) mentioned above that are shown as variations, with the modern value taken to be 0°C.

Some other observations. Greenland (yellow temperatures at bottom) seems to be an outlier in terms of change in temperature. The Antarctic ice cores and all of the rest of the records show much less warming since the ice age.

In order to compare these eighty proxies to each other, what we need to do is to “standardize” them. This means to first subtract the mean (average) of each proxy from the individual values. Then each of the individual values is divided by the standard deviation of the entire record for that proxy. The result will vary between about -3 and 3. Standardizing preserves the shape and timing of the data, it just makes all the proxies have a mean of 0 and a standard deviation of 1.

Next comes the part that the authors of these multi-proxy studies seem to have generally ignored. This is to look at each and every one of these proxy records and think about what they seem to mean. I’ll look at them sixteen at a time. Figure 3 shows the first sixteen of the Shakun2012 proxies.

Figure 4. Proxies from the Shakur2012 study. All of these cover the period from 26,000 BC to 1980 AD. Vertical dashed lines show the minimum (light blue) and maximum (dark red) values for the each proxy. Minimum and maximum times rounded to nearest 100 years. Colors as shown in Figure 1. Click for larger version.

NOTES BY NUMBER

1, 2: These are the Greenland ice cores. They show a warming of 32 and 27 degrees respectively, which is much more than any other proxy. Warming begins earlier than 20,000 BC.

4: The warmest date is at 1200 AD.

6: Warmest date is 1000 AD. Warming doesn’t start until 12,600 BC.

9: Maximum warmth is at 14,600 BC.

15: Very unusual shape, 11° warming.

Figure 5. Same as Figure 4, proxies from the Shakur2012 study. All of these cover the period from 26,000 BC to 1980 AD. Vertical dashed lines show the minimum (light blue) and maximum (dark red) values for the each proxy. Minimum and maximum times rounded to nearest 100 years. Click for larger version.

19: Warming doesn’t start until 10,800 BC

21: Maximum warmth precedes maximum cold.

28. Maximum doesn’t occur until 400 BC.

30. Maximum doesn’t occur until 1400 AD.

31. Maximum doesn’t occur until 2400 BC.

32. Maximum doesn’t occur until 1500 AD.

Figure 6. Same as Figure 4. Click for larger version.

34: Maximum at 1600 AD

35: Maximum at 14,000 BC

36: Strange shape, constant warming until the present.

42. Maximum not until 400 AD.

44: Warming until the end of the record in 8200 BC.

Figure 7. Same as Figure 4. Click for larger version.

50: Maximum not until 1100 AD.

51: Constant rise beginning to end.

52: Large drop and rise after maximum warmth.

53: Rises beginning to end.

54: Rises beginning to end.

58: Maximum not until 1300 AD.

59: Maximum not until 1600 AD.

60: Large rise in 1100-1200

Figure 8. Same as Figure 4. Click for larger version.

67: Warming starts at 25,900 BC.

68: Warming only one tenth of a degree

76: Warming occurs almost instantaneously

Discussion

The variety in the shapes of these graphs is quite surprising. Yes, they’re all vaguely alike … but that’s about all.

The main curiosity about these, other than the wide variety of amounts of warming, is the different timing of the warming. In some proxies it starts in 25,000 BC, in others it starts in 15,000 BC. Sometimes the warming peaks as early as  14,000 BC, and sometimes around 5,000 BC or later. Sometimes the warming continues right up to the present.

The problem becomes evident when we plot all of these 80 standardized proxies together. Figure 9 shows all of the standardized temperature traces.

Figure 9. All 80 temperature proxies from Shakun2012. Colors as shown in Figure 1.

Now, there’s plenty of things of interest in there. It’s clear that there is warming since the last ice age. The median value for the warming is 4.3°C, although the range is quite wide.

But if you want to make the claim that CO2 precedes the warming?

I fear that this set of proxies is perfectly useless for that. How on earth could you claim anything about the timing of the warming from this group of proxies? It’s all over the map.

Final Conclusion

The reviewers should have taken the time to plot the proxies … but then, the authors should have taken the time to plot the proxies.

w.

[UPDATE] A hat tip to Jostein, who pointed in the comments to the Shakun Nature paper being available here.

[UPDATE] Some folks wanted to see the CO2 data they used on the same timescale. Other folks said the colors in Figure 9 were misleading, since ice cores were printed on top, obscuring others below. We’re a full-service website, so here’s both in one:

Figure 10. All proxies, along with CO2 record used in Shakun2012.

My best to all,

w.

[UPDATE]

I decided to take a look at the various proxies by proxy type. There are ten different kinds of proxies.

Figure 11. Proxies averaged by type.

A few notes, in no particular order. The ice core records are similar, but the timing is different.

Foram assemblages seem to be useless. The same is true of the Tex86 proxies.

Pollen has a consistent signal, but the warming doesn’t start until about 10,000 BC.

MBT/CBT perfectly exemplifies the problems with this approach. Which one are we supposed to believe? Which one is it that is lagging the CO2?

Finally, the Mg/Ca and the UK’37 proxies kinda sorta have the same shape, but no uniformity at all regarding the timing of the rise.

Let me close with a black-and-white version of the above chart. This allows you to see where the denser areas are located.

 Figure 12. Proxies by type. Blue line shows CO2 data as used in the study. 

Note the difference in the underlying shapes of the different types of proxies, and the differences in their timing with respect to the rise of CO2.

Next, note that the CO2 record they are using is from Antarctica. That is the reason for the good fit with the single “ice core ∂18O and dD” proxy (left graph, second row) and the “ice core dD” (center graph, second row). Both of those are Antarctic records as well.

Also, as you can see, even within each proxy type there is no unanimity regarding the timing of either the onset or the end of the warming from the last ice age.

CO2 is the blue line … so was the warming before or after the blue line?

w.

[UPDATE]—The discussion continues at Shakun Redux: Master tricksed us! I told you he was tricksy!

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April 7, 2012 1:47 pm

Dung:
The southern oceans would warm and the northern cool bedause the thermohaline circulation is a wind and salinity tuned heat engine that pulls Arctic Ocean bottom water from the north Atlantic and distributes it to the Pacific and Indian oceans. Anything that puts a brake on the equalizing engine amplifies the disparity.

Dung
April 7, 2012 2:12 pm

Gymnosperm
Shakun says that because the thermohaline circulation is stopped, heat builds up at the equator but that is incorrect. The hot zone moves north when the earth tilts and so the back up would be in the northern oceans.

Adrian
April 7, 2012 3:45 pm

I apologise twice, once for not understanding how you properly reply to forum posts, and second for you thinking that my sarcasm was an attack. I will format my reply using email standards – probably because I am incompetent?
>Willis Eschenbach says:
>April 6, 2012 at 7:47 pm
>>Adrian says:
>>April 6, 2012 at 5:51 pm
>> I’m normally a fan of your posts,but you are showing your bias with your commentry on only
>>the maxminums and trends.
>I love how when you agree with me everything is fine, but when you disagree I’m “showing my bias” …
I didnt disagree with your analysis, I just said it was misdirected. I said more than that, but hopefully you understand that not describing the minimums shows a bias. I dont actually know what the minimums show – i havent downloded the data -, but they are more germaine to the result.
>> The question is w[h]ether CO2 rises proceed temperature rises, so the minimum comment[.
>In addition, your accusation of “cherry picking” is risible. I can only analyze what the authors
analyzed, and they analyzed the most recent glacial-interglacial cycle.
Ok so transer my criticism to them.
> All I need to do is show how and why their analysis of that cycle is fatally flawed, and I have done that. I am under no obligation to show anything about the other cycles.
You might not be under obligation, but if you are “prepared” – joke see later — you can do the analysis.
w.
> PS—When someone asks me “why did you only analyze one cycle?”, I answer them.
> On the other hand, when someone accuses me of “bias” and of “cherry picking” for only using one cycle, I avoid that person in future, and I downgrade my opinion of their science and their impartiality.
>You’re losing points fast … ask next time, your assumptions make you look both biased and unprepared …
Point scoring is stupid, truth is binary, lol
I already said I didnt read the paper — and wont for other reasons…

aaron
April 7, 2012 4:13 pm

W., sorry for pestering. I have pain problems and haven’t done an analysis. I’m on the computer too much as it is.

aaron
April 7, 2012 4:39 pm

An analysis in a ling time.

Andrew
April 7, 2012 5:08 pm

RE
Allan MacRae says:
April 7, 2012 at 8:27 am
Very well put Allan. Clear, concise and hits the nail right on the head.

major9985
April 7, 2012 6:07 pm

Willis Eschenbach you have been giving all the proxy records used in the paper from 80 different sites around the planet, you clearly plot them as a group (http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/standardized-temperature-data-shakun2012-proxies-26000.jpg), yet you don’t average them all out??
CO2 is a greenhouse gas.. and this is all based on “global” temperatures.. The study is not an in depth tale of local proxy records and what they mean, its a global study and should be treat as such. You clearly say
“I fear that this set of proxies is perfectly useless for that. How on earth could you claim anything about the timing of the warming from this group of proxies? It’s all over the map.”
Its obvious they would all be different, that is the point, its a global record.. Stand up and average them out, even your simple standardized method will most likely show the warming trailed CO2.

Jurgen
April 7, 2012 6:09 pm

Dung says:
April 7, 2012 at 1:13 pm
2) The first event in Shakun’s sequence is the tilting of the Earth, moving the North Pole into greater sunlight. Note that this also means that Antarctica gets less sunlight and also that northern oceans get more and southern oceans get less. The Arctic warms and fresh melt water runs off into northern oceans.
and at point 3:
However when the earth tilts, the line around the earth which gets the most heat from the sun is no longer the equator, the line moves north INTO the northern oceans.
Dung says:
April 7, 2012 at 2:12 pm
The hot zone moves north when the earth tilts and so the back up would be in the northern oceans.
Dung, are you sure the change in tilt Shakun et al. refer to has these consequences? I think not. I cannot find the exact data about the changes or “wobbles” in the Earth’s orientation but as I understand the basic dynamics, it’s about an increase of the tilt, resulting in bigger seasonal differences both north and south . So also the Antarctic gets more sun in it’s summertime.
So for the amount of sunlight on the sphere of the Earth there is this basic symmetry between north and south independent of the tilt. The asymmetry is in the spreading of the landmasses, there is more of them in the northern hemisphere. This makes the difference when the tilt changes.

wsbriggs
April 7, 2012 7:20 pm

Several of the commenters have repeated the “CO2 is well mixed mantra”. This is wrong based on the satellite images previously posted on this site. CO2 isn’t well mixed, and that might just lead one to question whether Antarctic CO2 is a global measure. Granted, with only two areas on the planet with ice cores extending that far back, it’s the only game in town, but the dice are rigged, even if we don’t know how much.
Nonetheless Willis’ analysis isn’t dependent on that, it is an analysis which shows that conclusions drawn by the papers authors are faulty, OK, false. They can’t say what they’ve said, the data doesn’t back them up.
The commenters yelling for an ensemble average of the proxies are just showing how poorly science is taught today in some institutions. It saddens me to have to include my alma mater (ETHZ) in that group.

major9985
April 8, 2012 3:42 am

After reading the paper, it is so clear how you have shown the proxy records as a whole and negated the fact the Northern Hemisphere warmed completely differently to the Southern. i39.tinypic.com/f0qkcw.jpg
Of cause you are going to get some proxy’s start warming at different times..

Jurgen
April 8, 2012 4:07 am

Jurgen says:
April 7, 2012 at 6:09 pm
for the amount of sunlight on the sphere of the Earth there is this basic symmetry between north and south independent of the tilt.
Just talking tilt here. As the Earth’s orbit is not just circular but elliptic there is also the effect that around the perihelion the sunlight is more intense. In Anthony’s post referring to the Shakun paper it says: “Small changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun affected the amount of sunlight striking the northern hemisphere, melting ice sheets that covered Canada and Europe.” I take this for the perihelion effect coinciding with summer in the northern hemisphere. But then later on Clark is cited talking about “Earth’s slow wobble” – and I take it this refers to the tilt. So it is about a combination of both effects.

Jurgen
April 8, 2012 4:27 am

WordPress is playing tricks with me. The above link is redirected to another post both in Firefox and Google Chrome. So to be sure, this is the link:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/04/a-new-paper-in-nature-suggests-co2-leads-temperature-but-has-some-serious-problems/

major9985
April 8, 2012 5:09 am

My comment at
major9985 says:
April 8, 2012 at 3:42 am
the link should have been:
http://i44.tinypic.com/34gncox.jpg

Jurgen
April 8, 2012 7:20 am

Question to Willis.
Having skimmed through the article about the constructal law:
https://public.me.com/ix/williseschenbach/Constructal_Climate.pdf
and not being well acquainted both with thermodynamics and the physics of atmospheric and oceanic circulation patterns, and reading in their summary:
“New flow systems coexist with old systems, but persist in time if they are better, while older systems gradually disappear. This never-ending parade of flow systems represents the generation of flow architecture – the generation of geometric form as the clash between objective and constraints in flow systems. This is the phenomenon summarized in the constructal law.”
… I am inclined to rephrase this into: “the constructal law explains the generation of flow architecture as an evolutionary optimizing phenomenon in terms of thermodynamics and fluid dynamics”.
Is this rephrasing legit? If so, it is tempting to generalize this law to the biosphere, talking about evolution. Guess I’m getting over-excited now.
Trying to get some layman’s hold on the principles involved here.

John Norris
April 8, 2012 8:11 am

re: “I think I can see the face of Jesus in the Fig 9 plot! /sarc”
Sorry, I couldn’t leave that one alone. It’s not Jesus, but I found a good correlation:.
[IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/rwqkp2.gif[/IMG]

John Norris
April 8, 2012 8:14 am

Perhaps this will work better:
http://tinypic.com/r/rwqkp2/5

April 8, 2012 10:54 am

Andrew says: April 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm
RE Allan MacRae says: April 7, 2012 at 8:27 am
Very well put Allan. Clear, concise and hits the nail right on the head.
_______
Thank you for your kind words Andrew.
For those who are interested, this video of Murry Salby on atmospheric CO2 is 32 minutes of presentation, plus questions.
Sydney Institute: Salby Aug 3, 2011

April 8, 2012 10:59 am

Or if the above link does not work, watch the Salby video here
http://youtu.be/YrI03ts–9I

Jurgen
April 8, 2012 5:19 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
April 8, 2012 at 10:19 am
– – – – – –
Thanks for the reply Willis and the extra info. To be honest with you I am awe struck by the image on the book cover. The tree-structure is a long-time fascination of me, but you don’t see it often pictured in this way as it should be: a bridging structure between two media. This structure is reflecting a basic dynamic you see everywhere in all kind of variations. My entry into this phenomenon was way back finishing my study in town-planning as I was concentrating on decision making processes. I couldn’t impress my professor with my idea’s but it never left me. Happy to see it now alive and kicking.

Jeff Alberts
April 8, 2012 5:25 pm

Typo “Now, there’s plenty of things of interest in there.”

Jeff Alberts
April 8, 2012 5:54 pm

major9985 says:
April 7, 2012 at 4:37 am
Is it not obvious Willis has taken all the temperature records and not shown them as a global temperature? Even if at different times in different areas of the planet temperatures did not match up, you simply take an average over all..

And you end up with something completely meaningless.

Dung
April 8, 2012 6:31 pm

Jurgen
thank you for correcting my unfit for purpose knowledge of the earths axis 🙂