Thank you Senator Kerry, for saying what we already know

This just in from The Daily Climate, Kerry tells us we are winning, but the blames the usual suspects rather than the message itself. I love the part about where we “made up our own science“, which is sort of like when Kerry swiftboated the weather back in 2008, except there was really no support for his position in science. Of course that lack of basic understanding couldn’t be the reason “people just turn off” when he’s talking about climate, could it?

Kerry: ‘We have lost the notion of responsible capitalism’

Venting frustration at the lack of progress on environmental issues, U.S. Sen. John Kerry voices the exasperation of a core constituency in President Obama’s re-election bid. 

By Doug Struck For the Daily Climate

BOSTON – Massachusetts Democrat Sen. John Kerry, exasperated at what he called “the flat-earth caucus,” on Sunday described the frustrations of working on environmental issues in the U.S. Senate.

Even amid the “Tuesday Group” – a bi-partisan bloc of lawmakers, mostly Democrats, who are interested in energy issues – “you can’t talk about climate now,” Kerry said. “People just turn off. It’s extraordinary. Only for national security and jobs will they open their minds.”

Kerry, in a dinner speech at Tufts University Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, voiced the exasperation of an environmental movement that had high hopes with the election of President Obama in 2008 but has been disappointed by the administration and largely shut out after the Republican takeover of the House in 2010.

“The irony is that we used to be a nation that valued science. We have become a nation that is now discarding science,” Kerry said. He spoke at a conference on the challenges facing the Arctic, attended by Iceland’s president, Olafur Grimsson.

Opponents to the legislation “made up their own science. They made up their own arguments,” Kerry said. “The Republicans created this idea of (carbon credit) trading because it avoided command and control by the federal government.” Then, “they just decided to pick up and brand this a negative.”

Kerry blamed brothers David and Charles Koch, oil billionaires who have bankrolled attempts to discredit climate change, as well as opposition from energy companies. “You have Peabody Coal. You have MidAmerican. They have these big old cash cows, these old coal-powered plants. It’s just cash coming in, and they want to keep it that way.

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116 thoughts on “Thank you Senator Kerry, for saying what we already know

  1. Can you imagine if this lamebrain had become President? The U.S. certainly dodged a bullet that time!

  2. “The irony is that we used to be a nation that valued science. We have become a nation that is now discarding science,” Kerry said….
    Well what did the watermelons like Kerry expect? Science is now so corrupt that the “Ladies of the Evening” have a more honest value system.

  3. Would the good Senator march off a cliff if everybody else were doing it? On the way down, would he denounce those who didn’t?

  4. Smokey says:
    March 27, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Can you imagine if this lamebrain had become President? The U.S. certainly dodged a bullet that time!

    True, but we’ve been hit with fusillades of machine-gun fire ever since. The Progressive agenda (Dem or Repub) is going to take us out yet.

  5. Coal-powered plants — cash in; predictable energy out
    Solar manufacturers (like Solyndra) — cash in; nothing out
    Wind power — cash in; failure to meet projections in any meaningful way
    For the likes of Kerry, their science is untested computer models masquerading as data.
    His detractors look at observed empirical data to test the AGW hypothesis and projections.
    He won’t (probably because he can’t win) debate the issues in a reasonable forum. Rather he resorts to sophomoric ad hominem drivel (flat-earth caucus) and astonishing logical fallacies.

  6. ‘Even amid the “Tuesday Group” – a bi-partisan bloc of lawmakers, mostly Democrats, who are interested in energy issues – “you can’t talk about climate now,” Kerry said. “People just turn off. It’s extraordinary. Only for national security and jobs will they open their minds.”’
    Well, of course they turn off Senator Kerry. They are polite and respectful Americans who do not want to call you a liar and a crook to your face.

  7. Don’t say that he “swiftboated” the science, implying that swiftboating is making up lies. The swiftboat patriots, who served with Kerry on his own vessel, testified that Kerry was a coward and a glory-hound, and they said this same thing to the man! (save one who was paid off in kind).

  8. Smokey – worse than Gore even. Difficult to believe that could even be possible. I think that this guy is so out of touch with reality that he actually believes the crap he spouts. Could someone tap him on the shoulder and mention Australia and “carbon”. Let him know how well that’s going? On second thoughts, don’t bother.
    Anyone mind if I change the subject for a moment? Definitely a pleasant watch:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/ocean-currents-time-lapse-nasa-video_n_1380778.html?ref=science&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D146888

  9. I imagine people “just shut off” when he discusses buggy whips also.
    If he can’t get anyone’s attention in the Senate when he talks about Climate, even the choir has stopped listening to his sermon.

  10. roberto says:
    March 27, 2012 at 11:09 am
    Would the good Senator march off a cliff if everybody else were doing it? On the way down, would he denounce those who didn’t?

    I thought that was his current occupation.

  11. “We are going to have to find a way to price carbon. Price carbon, and the market place will move forward very rapidly.”
    We are paying a price everytime we oxydize it. That stuff ain’t free, last I looked.

  12. Kerry continues to show no respect for the average person. Once again, just as in the 2010 election cycle, he has no clue how pompous and elitist he sounds. I can think only that he is going to retire after this last term, because he certainly isn’t endearing himself to the voters.

  13. “It’s just cash coming in, and they want to keep it that way.”
    How unlike the working lives of our own dear climate scientists!

  14. ““you can’t talk about climate now,” Kerry said. “People just turn off. It’s extraordinary..”
    This is what happens to all popular topics eventually, he knows this. People reach a point of saturation and can’t talk about it anymore. This is especially true if the media has been bombing the public with a particular issue for long periods of time, the public reaches a point of saturation. Most topics have a life of about 3 years, after that it’s over. This is where climate alarmism right now.
    And Americans are not discarding science at all, they are discarding climate science only.

  15. ““The irony is that we used to be a nation that valued science. We have become a nation that is now discarding science,” Kerry said.”
    In my diploma I had to examine the properties of about 2 dozen edge detection algorithms, all published in the literature. I discarded all but 3 as they were simply not holding a candle to the ones by Canny, Deriche and Marr-Hildreth. I guess that was anti-scientific of me…

  16. From the Article – Even amid the “Tuesday Group” – a bi-partisan bloc of lawmakers, mostly Democrats, who are interested in energy issues –
    From ENERGY POLICY: Senate Tuesday group has bipartisan energy legislation in its sights
    Jean Chemnick, E&E reporter
    E&E Daily: Wednesday, February 1, 2012
    “The group, headed by Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), revived their Tuesday meetings late last year, and approximately 20 Democrats attend regularly.
    Kerry said yesterday he hoped some Republicans would eventually become part of the klatch.”
    http://www.eenews.net/public/EEDaily/2012/02/01/1
    Does anyone know who these rare bi-partisan Democrats are?
    Are they really confusing “Energy Policy” with “Global Warming”?

  17. Those coal companies and oil billionaires did not make their money the right way. You are supposed to marry money not make it yourself.

  18. Kerry: “…because it avoided command and control by the federal government.” Can you imagin that the Republicans would want to avoid a command government?
    Kerry:”…They have these big old cash cows, these old coal-powered plants. It’s just cash coming in,…” Wow, strate out of Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. Power plants are not natural resources. Corporations built those with real people and real money based on real buisness plans. Real people work there, providing real products for real people to use. It is not “just cash coming in”. It is true wealth generation that the whole nation benifites from.

  19. “The irony is that we used to be a nation that valued science. We have become a nation that is now discarding science,” Kerry said.
    Bull. Just like the seperation of church and state, the way politicians are acting, we are soon going to need a seperation of science and state.

  20. Responsible capitalism? Is that where you pay other people to have less so that you can continue to do what you want? Or is that where you make stuff so expensive only you can afford it? I know it can’t be about having less because if I have to adopt Senator Kerry’s level of responsible capitalism I’m going to have acquire more stuff, fly a lot more and charge money for people to listen to me talk rubbish.

  21. Kerry’s only success in life comes from his ability to marry above his station. He is a man of inferior intelligence and few accomplishments.
    And never forget, he betrayed his country. Everything about him in the Swift Boat book is true.

  22. “They have these big old cash cows, these old coal-powered plants. It’s just cash coming in, and they want to keep it that way.”
    The environmental mentalists messed up nuclear power, so they forced the use of coal. Quit whining about what you caused.

  23. philincalifornia says:
    March 27, 2012 at 11:28 am
    Smokey – worse than Gore even. Difficult to believe that could even be possible. I think that this guy is so out of touch with reality that he actually believes the crap he spouts. Could someone tap him on the shoulder and mention Australia and “carbon”. Let him know how well that’s going? On second thoughts, don’t bother.
    Anyone mind if I change the subject for a moment? Definitely a pleasant watch:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/ocean-currents-time-lapse-nasa-video_n_1380778.html?ref=science&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D146888

    God bless GWB from saving us both from a President Gore and a President Kerry. Just for that, he should get his face on Mt. Rushmore.
    But seriously, I think most of these guys believe almost everything that comes out of their mouths. Don’t underestimate both the size of their egos and the innate human ability for self-deception or the capacity to believe two mutually exclusive things at the same time.
    But how about President Obama? Does he believe carbon is polluting our streams? Does he believe George Bush is responsible for the Solyndra debacle? It’s possible. Anyhoo, what’s the difference between Obama and a used car salesman? The used car salesman knows when he is lying.
    ~More Soylent Green!

  24. Smokey Said: “Can you imagine if this lamebrain had become President? The U.S. certainly dodged a bullet that time!”
    TRUE! But there is no denying we got it between the eyes with the current President.

  25. Where to begin with this guy? “…you can’t talk about climate now,” Kerry said. “It’s extraordinary. Only for national security and jobs will they open their minds.” Yep, spoken like a true aristocrat, by someone who hasnt held a real job a day in his life. It’s extraordinary alright. How could us plebs actually be concerned about making a mortgage? What’s that anyway?
    What’s interesting is that this freeloader could bloviate

  26. Funny how the world tunes out a hypocrite that singularly has the carbon footprint of dozens.
    Exit question. Is owning a power plant more or less of a cash cow than marrying rich widows?

  27. More Soylent Green! says:
    March 27, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    God bless GWB from saving us both from a President Gore and a President Kerry. Just for that, he should get his face on Mt. Rushmore.

    Seconded

    But how about President Obama? Does he believe carbon is polluting our streams? Does he believe George Bush is responsible for the Solyndra debacle?

    After the election, he’ll have more flexibility to fully express his intentions.

  28. The thought of either Gore or Kerry winning those elections is enough to chill the blood. Thank you, George!
    I was disappointed in 2000, but changed my mind over the next couple of years. My gratitude now increases every time either opens his mouth! Neither can bear the thought that science is utterly opposed to “proving” a theorum by blocking research that might contradict it.

  29. johnwschwartz said: “Republicans created carbon credits??”
    Now he’s done it. Al Gore will be very mad at Kerry for not giving him credit. After all, Al invented ethanol credits and the Internet. Who else can make those claims?

  30. Here is an example of IDIOTIC GREENTHINK in action:
    I posted this on another thread, but it is worth repeating:
    The “Planet Under Pressure” Conference in London is charging every attendee a “Carbon Offset Fee” of 35 quid (pounds).
    Most of the “Carbon Offset” is going to a stove program in Africa…..wait for this……
    SO THEY CAN PRODUCE MORE CO2..!!!!!!
    see more here:
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/27/will-happers-wsj-rebuttal-to-noaas-lubchenco-and-karl/#comment-936668
    The Greens can’t solve their way out of a wet paper bag. Dumb.

  31. “”””” “The irony is that we used to be a nation that valued science. We have become a nation that is now discarding science,” Kerry said. “””””
    No Senator Kerry; WE used to be a nation with a written Constitution, that told our Government what they were allowed to involve themselves in for our collective benefit, and what they are NOT to involve themselves in, but leave to us (and/or the Several States).
    And the climate history of the entire globe, is not one of the things, you are instructed to take care of, or waste our money on, or tax us for.
    Article one says you may tax us to pay the debts, and to provide for the common defense and general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES; not of every tom dick and harry, who can’t find a paying job, so needs government grants to live on.

  32. The man is a patronizing, clueless twit. The Warmies, especially those who have invested heavily in green garbage…and I sure hope he did… are in a bit of a systemic shock right now and all they can mumble is that the unwashed are merely distracted by the economy, but with better “communication” they’ll get back in line. Hold on tight, boys; any day now. That’s actually very good. It’ll keep them busy spinning their wobbly wheels while the ground under them sinks. What I don’t unertand is why the Koch brothers and the energy companies don’t man up and hit Kerry head-on, rudely and crudely with the contempt this pitiful muppet deserves. Right to his puzzled visage, with a detailed reminder of his other lies, a chart of the billions of public money the Warmies have wasted and stolen, and with a loud public challenge to be specific with his accusations.

  33. Gee were senators rushing about a century ago protecting relativity and E=mc^2 from denialists? That they are doing so now tells you what climate science has become.

  34. Those Koch brothers are busy people. Apparently they are behind every nefarious development in the United States, and now the rest of the globe to boot.

  35. “…stymied in the Senate.”
    And which party controlled that august body? There must have been a few who rose above partisanship….

  36. ‘The White Swan’ rides again. This guy set back trusting politicians AT ALL half way to 1776. Nixon was the one, but at least his eyes shifted back and forth as a sub-conscious warning. Cash and Carry had every opportunity and he screwed us. Al ‘D’ Gore finally just bought a $7 million house just off the beach on the West Coast. looks like he forgot all about the seas rising and drowning out coastal areas. It matches the 50 foot houseboat with enough motorpower for three of them.

  37. “Ladies of the Evening” have a more honest value system.

    At least there you know your going to get – – – – – , and you’ll enjoy it.
    Larry

  38. Here in England the worm is turning. The attention of the public has been grabbed by the rapidly increasing price of energy, both electricity and gas (domestic gas, not petrol) which are used for household heating and cooking. The consumers of these forms of energy query the price increases they are told that the money is going to the owners of the much-disliked windmills and the rich estate owners who rent out land to the windmill companies. Then the consumers are stirred to anger.
    The coalition government has messed up badly with their most recent budget, forcing everyone to contemplate exactly what is being taken by threat of the use of force from their wallets and purses. The continually escalating prices of petrol and diesel through increased taxation levels, brought in to ‘encourage’ everyone to use the non-existent or poorly provided public transport to cut down on the ‘evil CO2’ are beginning to cost people their increasingly rare jobs.
    Green is no longer popular. The electorate is awakening to the fact that ‘green’ and ‘sustainable’ mean “Expensive”. Discontent is now being voiced openly, no-one with whom I have talked in the last three days has anything other than very disparaging remarks for anything ‘green’. The level of discontent now threatens our government which is now revealed as being as corrupt and venal as their socialist predecessor.
    I once loved this country and all it stood for. Now I am desperate to leave it as it slides inexorably into corrupt oblivion.

  39. I think it is worthwhile to hearken again to the warning of Eisenhower in his Farewell Address in 1961:
    The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.
    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

    The problem is, that these warm-earthers are NOT the elite. They are elitists, who hold themselves in high esteem. As John Kerry said, finger in the face of a waiter in Massachusetts who would not give him a table ahead of others, “Do you know WHO I am?”
    Yes, Senator—we all know now, too well…

  40. “People just turn off. It’s extraordinary. Only for national security and jobs will they open their minds.”
    ——————————————————————–
    As a non-US contributor, I am hesitant to comment on this thread. I don’t know much about Kerry. But this kind of statement, coming from any politician anywhere, is a sign of someone who is totally out of touch with his constituents. Curse these ignorant peasants, who are worried about their economic and national survival, when I know better!
    Here’s hoping the ignorant peasants remember his views next time his name comes up on a ballot paper.

  41. Kerry is free to state his opinions and commit logical fallacies.
    However, he has no right to change history. The fiction that the ancients believed in a “flat-earth” Eratosthenes (276 -194 BC) calculated the circumference of the world with the assumption that the Earth was round, Washington Irving appeared to invent the flat earth myth in his fantasy: “The Life and Voyage of Christopher Columbus,” (1828).
    More than three thousand years ago Job knew that God
    “suspends the earth over nothing.”
    Kerry’s rhetoric cannot make up for invalid climate models.
    Back to the science. We need robust objective climate science that will produce accurate verified and validated climate models, not wishful fantasies of environmentalists.

  42. They have these big old cash cows, these old coal-powered plants. It’s just cash coming in, and they want to keep it that way.

    I’m pretty sure Secretariat can have his electricity disconnected any old time he wants, but he doesn’t. I wonder why.

  43. What’s particularly galling is that Kerry married into the cash “cow” of the widow of a REPUBLICAN senator, John Heinz, Theresa Heinz. He divorced his first wife, something the MSM never brings up. So yes, the Kerry’s are living the high life, bashing conservatives, using the hard earned cash of a former Republican senator. ick.

  44. Geoff says:
    March 27, 2012 at 1:36 pm
    Very astute to put Withers in charge of dismantling the projects he assembled. With luck, he’ll quit his position & therefore not be eligible for the payoff he’d get for dismissal!
    As for wind generation in the UK, it’s not been above 8% of capacity for nearly 2 days and dropped to about 2% at one time. Really useful power!
    DaveE.

  45. In response to philincalifornia’s very interesting link, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/ocean-currents-time-lapse-nasa-video_n_1380778.html?ref=science&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D146888 There is an area missing, hint polar bears live there. Since this video is supplied by NASA and we all know who works there, well kind of makes me wonder why that area is missing, considering relationship between currents and ice cover issues.

  46. Weird science program called ‘Global Weirding’, invented in the West Texas but promoted among others Mike Lockwood. Steven Wilde will be pleased, it’s all down to UV apparently melting the Arctic Ice and freezing river Thames during Maunder Minimum. It’s a new chapter of the climate ‘Science Weirding’.

  47. John Kerry says “We are going to have to find a way to price carbon. Price carbon, and the market place will move forward very rapidly.”
    Umm…. Earth to John! We have priced carbon…. it’s called $2.50 gallon for gasoline. You relax the overly restrict EPA restrictions to make coal the cheapest electrical energy source again and you will really see the market place move forward very rapidly.

  48. @James Sexton:
    His relationship to capitalism is even more removed then that. He married the widow of the person that made the money. So not only does he not have a clue, neither does his spouse. Not only that but the person that made the money was a conservative republican senator from Pennsylvania who died in a freak helicopter accident. (O.K. his parents(Heinz) started the business and he expanded it)
    Kerry did once try to run a cookie store, but went bankrupt in short order. I don’t really blame him on that though as something over 50% of business startups go bankrupt in short order. The fact he didn’t seem to learn anything from it is the problem.

  49. James Sexton says:
    March 27, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    After the election, he’ll have more flexibility to fully express his intentions.
    ========================================
    Another hidden agenda, more lies before the election……from the most open and honest government we’ve ever had…….
    We have to hurry up and pass it…..so you can read what’s in it
    …and Kerry can’t understand why we don’t just take their word for it
    What is most amazing….they all have the same script…and can all look straight into the camera….say that…and not even flinch

  50. @johanna:
    Incumbents in office are almost always returned to office (it is the biggest problem in American politics) so I am afraid that so long as he has a pulse, we are stuck with this plank headed politician. He represents the same state that sent Edward Kennedy back to the senate for 45+ years, so no worries about them turning him out.

  51. Some very quick good news from OZ. Talk about hitting the road running.
    Newman is cutting back on green funding idiocy in Qld already. That a new govt can start to address this fraud so quickly is a wonderful bonus for all Aussies and strengthens Ted’s arm here in Victoria.
    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/newman_orders_blighs_husband_to_slash_his_green_waste/#commentsmore
    Abbott will have plenty of room to slash spending on this fraudulent nonsense and help poorer Aussies cope with heating and cooling their homes at least.
    Problem is we need an early election to start to properly wind back this idiocy, but Juliar will try her best to delay it as long as possible.
    Likewise all independents except Katter are frightened witless by the prospect of facing the people and with good reason.

  52. James Sexton says:
    March 27, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Kerry: ‘We have lost the notion of responsible capitalism’
    lol, his only association to capitalism is by marriage. What does he know about it?
    ________________________________
    What capitalism?? We have not had true capitalism in one hundred years thanks to FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING.
    In true capitalism the owner(s) invest their wealth in a business and generate more wealth. In today’s system capital (wealth) is stolen from the general populous via fractional reserve banking and lent by bankers to the “owners of record” This means the “owners of record” of the business generating wealth and the banks collecting interest win, but the people who actually supplied the wealth, lose by having their wages deflated and the price of goods inflated.
    Does Kerry know this?
    Probably since he and the rest of the politicians take advantage of the system. That is why they voted it into being in 1917 in the first place. “…the State [government] authorized the practice of fractional reserve banking as a means of financing itself…” and we all know how much the US government loves to run up debt. Debt that is financed by printing money out of thin air.
    One of the other puzzle pieces that may have bearing on – CAGW/Carbon Credts/Global Governance – subject is the fact that all fiat currencies eventually lead to hyperinflation. Therefore the idea is to invent a “New Currency” based on “Carbon Credits” and reboot the entire system before the bankers and politicians find themselves tarred and feathered or worse.
    http://www.gaianeconomics.org/pdf/ebcu.pdf Proposal for a Global Trading Currency Backed by Carbon Dioxide
    http://www.carbontwin.com/profiles/blogs/carbon-credits-as-todays-new Carbon Credits As Today’s New Currency
    Hyperinflation & Fiat Currency References:
    http://ezinearticles.com/?Hyperinflation,-Monetary-Collapse-of-the-Financial-System—Be-Prepared!&id=6904762
    http://dailyreckoning.com/fiat-currency/
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/04/what-are-the-preconditions-for-hyperinflation.html
    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/Is_US_already_bankrupt_.html

  53. There are still people missing who got lost in his labyrinthine sentences from his campaign speeches back in 2004 and never came back out.

  54. wow! not a single concern troll has shown up to whine “oh please make this a nice scientific blog since politics has nothing to do with this issue.”
    I think even THEY now have had to admit that politics has EVERYTHING to do with this issue. It’s science that doesn’t have much to do with this issue anymore.

  55. Sen. Kerry’s comments are dumb in two great ways. First, about cap and trade, he is very wrong. Cap and trade for CO2 was dreamed up by Enron and Gore and his crew did Enron’s bidding to get it in in 1998 Kyoto. Cap and trade is sometimes pushed as a “market based solution” that should appeal to American “conservatives” because it sounds market-y and Republicans push their own scams pretending to serve the hypothetically dreamy “market.”
    Second, Kerry made a grave error of James Hansen size. Kerry criticized cap and trade. Cap and trade, and the capital it fronts for, (energy, finance, etc.) is probably 80% of the money behind the “global warming solutions” movement in America. Guys like GE are tag alongs, so are the “liberal” action groups funded by business and its government crony. When Hansen explicitly called cap and trade a scam, which it is, he became almost persona non grata. That’s why we see Mann in an expenively made production recently, the P.R. people think we, the public, need a “face,” one which Hansen used to provide. Kerry can expect no more money from Big Green and Wall Street unless he immediately clarifies!!
    By the way, if Hansen wants a new income stream, do what L. Ron Hubbard did, start a religion! The 350.org group of kooks is basically a Hansen-cult already, he can take it over easy.

  56. Thank you Gail Combs for highlighting a key piece of the puzzle. Without FRB and the Income Tax, Congress wouldn’t be able to expropriate the property of those of us who work for a living, let alone redistribute it.

  57. There is nothing more dangerous than the Senate’s richest member, having a guilty conscience that will not be assuaged by any amount of other people’s money to spend on a cure for which there is no disease.

  58. This slow talking dolt merely repeats talking points he has been prepped. His lack of scientific or economic acumen is legendary.

  59. “The irony is that we used to be a nation that valued science. ”
    Actually, we still do, thus why so many people are skeptical because the real science says this is far from a settled issue.
    The real irony is that he thinks if you don’t support left-wing psuedo-science that you somehow don’t support science.
    Kerry clearly doesn’t know the difference between science & politics.

  60. Follow the Money says:
    March 27, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    “…if Hansen wants a new income stream, do what L. Ron Hubbard did, start a religion! The 350.org group of kooks is basically a Hansen-cult already, he can take it over easy…”
    Who would play the role of Xenu?
    The Thetans await…

  61. Sen. Kerry:
    When you ground the Flying Squirrel- the Gulfstream V- not your wife, and
    Remove the D-Sail from your expensive sailboat(that you tried to escape taxes on)
    I might listen..

  62. Kerry is a life long political hack who , AFIK , didn’t give a rat’s ass about cap and trade until it became a hot button issue in ’09 .

  63. Follow the Money says:
    March 27, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Sen. Kerry’s comments are dumb in two great ways. First, about cap and trade, he is very wrong. Cap and trade for CO2 was dreamed up by Enron and Gore and his crew did Enron’s bidding to get it in in 1998 Kyoto.

    Now now, everyone knows that Enron was a bunch of Republicans. Why, the most famous advisor to Enron was that horrible Republican Paul Krugman, who still works for that dreadful, right-wing New York Times.

  64. cancellation of a CAGW event in Melbourne Australia is a “disaster”….
    28 March: SMH: Vince Chadwick: Event disaster as Weaver pulls out
    ACTRESS Sigourney Weaver has pulled out of a $995-a-head sustainable business conference to be held in Melbourne next month, prompting organisers to cancel the event and consult their lawyers…
    The Corporations, People & the Planet conference at the Melbourne Exhibition centre was billed as ”a once in a lifetime opportunity to see Sigourney Weaver, Bob Geldof, Dr David Suzuki and Prof L. Hunter Lovins in one day of keynote presentations, case studies and discussion exploring a sustainable future”….
    Tickets ranged from $175 for students, to $9500 for a Diamond Table of 10 tickets, including VIP entry to a cocktail party attended by the keynote speakers…
    A potential replacement was former US vice-president Al Gore, but Mr Brazil said extra costs for security and poor timing meant that he was unavailable…
    Samantha Gavin of PR firm Red Agency, which was promoting the conference, said organisers were all disappointed. ”They are telling David Suzuki today,” Ms Gavin said yesterday, adding that the prominent Canadian scientist had already booked his flight…
    http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/event-disaster-as-weaver-pulls-out-20120327-1vwm6.html

  65. I love that bit where he says: “made up our own science“, as if it was a sort of home craft industry and then goes on to complain that: “people just turn off” when he’s talking about climate!
    “The irony is that we used to be a nation that valued science.” . Well, it’s probably because most people, apart from him, still do, that so many people are skeptical, as the real science says that this is far from a settled issue. Increasingly clouds gather!

  66. johnwschwartz says:
    March 27, 2012 at 11:50 am
    “Republicans created carbon credits??”
    He means the folks who imploded Enron. Cap and Trade is a scheme for creating an indefinitely large number of Enrons.

  67. nc says:
    March 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm
    In response to philincalifornia’s very interesting link,
    —————————-
    I think a critique from Bob Tisdale would be wonderful …… Bob ?
    [Sorry mods, didn’t mean to do a mini thread hijack. Just thought it might not get seen widely if I put it in tips and notes. Plus, I thought it might offer some slight relief from the depressing subject matter under discussion]
    To keep it more on-topic, maybe someone could put a star on the globe where the swiftboat incident happened, and another one where the attempted tax evasion boat is moored. Heh heh heh.

  68. I have made it a habit of ignoring Kerry until he pays the state he nominally represents (MA) the 5% use tax on the $7,000,000 yacht he had constructed in NZ. He is dodging it by technically not bringing it into the state by having it operate out of a marina in RI. The man and his wife (rich compliments of her husband Mr. Heinz dropping dead) appear to be most deficient in the morals department. And to think we could have had either him or Mr. Gore as our present dunce. Say what you wish, God smiled on America.

  69. Rachelle Young says:
    March 27, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    “TRUE! But there is no denying we got it between the eyes with the current President.”
    We got it, all right. But it wasn’t between the eyes!

  70. Senator Kerry again trots out the Koch Brothers, the favorite bugaboo of the leftists. The brothers are indeed active in promoting their political point of view, but in the big picture they don’t even rise to a drop in a bucket. Check this list
    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A
    HEAVY HITTERS
    Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012
    Koch Industries comes in at no. 76, outspent 5 to1 by just the single organization at no.1(ActBlue) which is entirely Democrat. As are almost all of the Top 20 which collectively account for almost a billion dollars with the Dems being favored by approx 9 to 1, The Top 20 is dominated by unions, notably public employee and teacher unions and since it covers only cash donations misses the nearly as vast in kind contributions in manpower and other efforts they supply.
    The CAGW message has had an edge in support versus the skeptic community that is more than a million to 1, even if the Koch brothers were ladling out money as lavishly as they are accused of doing. They have enjoyed nearly complete support from news media, entertainment sources, academia, large scientific organizations, if not their members, and most significantly governments at every level from local to international, as well as a teeming horde of NGOs. In addition most major corporate PR efforts have adopted the “green” message, mostly from fear of the public backlash if they didn’t. Despite all that they have never been able to close the deal. They’ve been thwarted by skeptics whose support has been almost Lilliputian in comparison.
    The obvious lesson seems to be that, if you want to maximize the efficiency of your communications, it helps almost immeasurably if you start out with the Truth.

  71. Owen in Ga says:
    March 27, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    @johanna:
    Incumbents in office are almost always returned to office (it is the biggest problem in American politics) so I am afraid that so long as he has a pulse, we are stuck with this plank headed politician. He represents the same state that sent Edward Kennedy back to the senate for 45+ years, so no worries about them turning him out.
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    Depressing news, Owen. What is it with Massachusetts voters and dissolute aristocrats anyway? Do they secretly wish for a return to the monarchy?

  72. Still no cheque! Can somebody please arrange an introduction.
    Seriously does anybody really get any real money from the oil billionaires and coal barons?
    Where did this idea come from or is the AGW movement so arrogant that they cannot believe that the others might figure it out for themselves.
    Also, where does this ditherhead politician get off talking about science? Who let him in out of the rain? Personally, I have three science degrees, all relevant to this topic, two from a world top ten university and I studied the hard way like most real scientists, poor and eating cheese sandwiches!

  73. johanna says: @ March 27, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    Depressing news, Owen. What is it with Massachusetts voters and dissolute aristocrats anyway? Do they secretly wish for a return to the monarchy?
    ________________________________________
    I lived in MA for twenty four years and I could never figure it out.
    Ted K. got caught buying a coach class airline ticket and sitting in first class when all first class were filled. First he pulled the “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?” stunt and refused to show his ticket. The stewardess got the co-pilot and finally the pilot to request his ticket and the pilot finally refused to take off unless he sat in his assigned seat. In retaliation he got the entire crew fired.
    The story made the news (radio) in the early 1990’s on a talk show. Numerous people called in relating similar stories of the utter contempt Ted K had for waitresses, sales clerks and other working people. Right after the show aired I asked my neighbor if he had heard it and he said yes. I then asked if he was going to vote for Kennedy and he said yes of course. When I asked why he said because he does so much for MA. When I asked for examples all he could do was repeat “Well, He does so much for MA.” At the time Kennedy’s voting record was 3% votes. The rest of the time (97%) he never even bothered to vote on the bill.
    Complete brain washing is the only thing I can think of that would make an otherwise intelligent, college educated human so brain dead.

  74. Goldie says:
    March 27, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    Still no cheque! Can somebody please arrange an introduction.
    Seriously does anybody really get any real money from the oil billionaires and coal barons?…
    ____________________________________________
    Cons and thieves are always quick to assign other people the attributes they themselves possess as a way of diverting attention. If your property goes missing and Joe is quick to blame Billy the chances are really good it was Joe who did the stealing. ( Based on a lot of personal experience unfortunately.)

  75. Gail, I have always suspected your Joe and Billy example was true. but after the last the last three years, I know that it is so.

  76. Massachusetts Democrat Sen. John Kerry, exasperated at what he called “the flat-earth caucus,”
    ==================
    Calling people stupid must be some political tactic………………/snark

  77. Gail Combs said (of Sen. Edward Kennedy):
    …the pilot finally refused to take off unless he sat in his assigned seat. In retaliation he got the entire crew fired.
    The story made the news (radio) in the early 1990′s on a talk show. Numerous people called in relating similar stories of the utter contempt Ted K had for waitresses, sales clerks and other working people. Right after the show aired I asked my neighbor if he had heard it and he said yes. I then asked if he was going to vote for Kennedy and he said yes of course.
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    Holy crap. He got the whole crew fired? Why wasn’t it national news? The Kennedy teflon effect must have been awesome. And, people in his home State who had to deal with him over decades must have known what a jerk he was. Amazing. They probably think Kerry is Ghandi in comparison – in which case, as Owen said, he is probably there for as long as he wants to be.

  78. johanna says:
    March 27, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    Owen in Ga says:
    March 27, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    Depressing news, Owen. What is it with Massachusetts voters and dissolute aristocrats anyway? Do they secretly wish for a return to the monarchy?
    =============================
    I’ve long held the belief that “neomonarchist” is the best one-word descriptor for these freaks – that and a few others that would not survive moderation.
    It’s hardly surprising, since the human genetic make-up hasn’t changed since medieval times. If you look at Kerry and Prince Charles, what do you see ?? Two tall, dumbo, wannabe-king buffoons, who spout pseudo-scientific waffle as if they’re anything other than F- grade scientists.

  79. philincalifornia says:
    March 27, 2012 at 11:28 am
    Smokey – worse than Gore even. Difficult to believe that could even be possible. I think that this guy is so out of touch with reality that he actually believes the crap he spouts. Could someone tap him on the shoulder and mention Australia and “carbon”. Let him know how well that’s going? On second thoughts, don’t bother.
    Anyone mind if I change the subject for a moment? Definitely a pleasant watch:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/ocean-currents-time-lapse-nasa-video_n_1380778.html?ref=science&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D146888
    ————————
    Great video. It’s NASA so I can only hope it’s good science but, what an interesting watch.

  80. They don’t need the congress to pass cap and trade when the Administration has an EPA that will do the damage.
    “(Reuters) – The Obama administration proposed on Tuesday the first rules to cut carbon dioxide emissions from new U.S. power plants, a move hotly contested by Republicans and industry in an election year.”
    “The Environmental Protection Agency’s proposal would effectively stop the building of most new coal-fired plants in an industry that is moving rapidly to more natural gas. But the rules will not regulate existing power plants, the source of one third of U.S. emissions, and will not apply to any plants that start construction over the next 12 months.”
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/27/us-usa-carbon-idUSBRE82Q0W120120327

  81. I declare that I’m a Brit so please feel free to tell me to take my nose out of a domestic political dispute but…
    “The irony is that we used to be a nation that valued science. We have become a nation that is now discarding science,”. This is a common thread on both sides of the Atlantic. It needs to be addressed, not because it’s true, but because it redefines scientific argumets in a static and partisan way.
    Science needs debate. Science without challenge is something other than science. “Making up their own science” is perfectly acceptabole. Observation and logic will throw out the loonies in the furnace of debate.
    Your Senator seems to think that scientiifc orthodoxy cannot be challenged. This is heard over here too (listen to the BBC Radio 4). This is bad for science. Yet it’s becoming normal to talk of unchanging science.
    It should not be normal.

  82. johanna says:
    March 27, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    What is it with Massachusetts voters and dissolute aristocrats anyway? Do they secretly wish for a return to the monarchy?

    According to a buddy who’s a former Massachusetts resident, the voters kept sending Teddy back to DC because it was the only way they could keep him off the roads in Massachussetts. However, most Taxachusetts voters continue to vote Democrat because their parents voted Democrat, and their parents voted Democrat because *their* parents voted Democrat — lather, rinse, repeat…

  83. “you can’t talk about climate now,” Kerry said. “People just turn off. It’s extraordinary. Only for national security and jobs will they open their minds.”
    Except that climate skeptics have been BEGGING to discuss this issue in the form of debate for, oh, 20 years now. It’s Kerry and Gore and the rest of their ilk that have sprinted away from talking about climate.

  84. Goodie says: ….’studied the hard way like most real scientists, poor and eating cheese sandwiches!’
    Luxury! (to parody Monty Python)
    Should have tried pot noodles.
    I suppose we could have studied ‘global warming’ and been well funded.
    Empirical error?

  85. Sorry, should have been…. Goldie says:
    Must have tried some of that ‘crack’ in the Antarctic (other thread).

  86. The usual bla bla bla from lefty folks who’s expertise is in transfering their merits or lacky self onto others they dispise. Hand them a mirror. 🙂

  87. @ frozenohio
    Yes! You are right! John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, did indeed serve in Vietnam! I’m sure he learned all he knows about global warming and politics while riding swift boats.

  88. “The Republicans created this idea of (carbon credit) trading because it avoided command and control by the federal government.” Then, “they just decided to pick up and brand this a negative.”
    The disturbing thing to me is how many people (including the vast majority of the students in my classes) feel that it is wrong to “brand … as a negative” the idea of “command and control by the federal government.”

  89. John Kerry ordered swiss cheese on a Philadelphia cheesesteak.
    You can’t get much more out of touch than that.

  90. Your reference to the Swiftboat Crewmen and Officers, and the former POW’s and their surviving spouses is rather vile, offensive and confused. The media portrayed the Swiftboat sailors as telling lies about John Kerry, when these good men stood together to tell the truth. Your statement “Kerry Swiftboated the weather” uses the term in the opposite meaning, suggesting that Swiftboating is telling a lie. Please remove and correct your reference that Kerry “Swiftboated” anything. I stood upon the deck of PCF-44 along with Kerry in 1968. He gave false statements to congress and the nation. The men of the Swiftboat Squadron could not stand by and allow this deception to continue unchallenged. Thank you for your kind consideration.
    REPLY: While I appreciate and understand your concern, and there is no disrespect intended to good men such as yourself and your crewmates, nor their spouses/families, the term “swiftboating” has in fact joined the vernacular of the USA, please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating
    Based on the Wikipedia definition, what Kerry did trying to link global warming and tornadoes was in fact “an unfair or untrue political attack”. It is a term used by others in the same type of argument, such as here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcquaid/2012/02/20/swiftboating-science/
    Thus, my use of the term is fair game. – Anthony

  91. Fair game? There are alternatives which, especially when Kerry is directly involved, are much less offensive to the Mechanic and his mates. Don’t be bitter, reconsider!!
    😉
    >:)

  92. “Only for national security and jobs will they open their minds.”
    Pretty much the only Constitutional powers you idiots are granted.

  93. Smokey says:
    March 27, 2012 at 11:05 am
    Can you imagine if this lamebrain had become President? The U.S. certainly dodged a bullet that time!

    Indeed. Even more alarming, in retrospect, is our good fortune at avoiding the charlatan Algore in the White House. Imagine the EPA with 10 years lead time. . .

    Gail Combs says:
    March 27, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    johanna says: @ March 27, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    Depressing news, Owen. What is it with Massachusetts voters and dissolute aristocrats anyway? Do they secretly wish for a return to the monarchy?
    ________________________________________
    I lived in MA for twenty four years and I could never figure it out.

    I have lived here in The Peoples Republic for the better (or worse) part of five decades, and I don’t understand it, either. I fear that in order to get rid of our Representative in Congress, the execrable Ed Malarkey, I’ll have to run against him myself. But it would be fruitless; I’d be swamped by rampant moonbatism.
    /Mr Lynn

  94. In reply to philincalifornia: please do not compare Prince Charles with Kerry. Charles is not tall; if by dumbo you mean he has big ears so do I and many others (if you mean he is dim, I disagree); uless he dies before the Queen he WILL (no wannabe about it) be King; and as to some of his beliefs he is as entitled to them as you are to yours. He also does many charitable acts, and ,yes, he can afford to. Can the same be said about Kerry?
    Sorry, I just couldn’t let that go!
    Anthea

  95. The earth has always been round. It’s the measured global temperature anomaly that has been flat for more than a decade now

  96. $50 billion would go a long way toward helping the small businesses in this country, but Obama wants to help the public employee unions who helped elect him. The states need to get rid of more of these people and get private sector jobs in place. The taxpayers are fed up with the salaries, pensions and benefits these public employees are getting at our expense. All you have to do is look at New Jersey. Governor Christie is taking on the teachers union, and more power to him. We need more governors like him.

  97. ACORN is a ultra liberal/marxist group that helped Obama get in the office due to the fact that the people they registered to vote, did so in the locale where they were registered, and by absentee vote in their home state.

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