This ad has been running on some WUWT stories, urging people to save the EPA from the “deniers” that are apparently “running the conversation”. Heh.
When you see the ad, clicking on it allows you to use a form to send a message, along with adding your own. I found it humorous for this line behind the ad:
For too long, big power companies have been able to dump unlimited amounts of industrial carbon pollution into our air.
That could just as easily say:
For too long, [humans and animals] have been able to[breathe] unlimited amounts of [natural] carbon [dioxide] into our air.
You can add your own message too via the League of Conservation Voters website, should you wish.
But, be careful of the fine print:
By taking this action, you are affirming your membership in LCV and will receive regular LCV communications and are entitled to vote for a member of LCV’s Board of Directors. To protect online privacy, we have implemented the following policy.
Justthinkin says:
March 22, 2012 at 12:06 pm
To all WUWT commenters who wish to send a message to the EPA/LCV.
We have a similar campaign going on here in Canada now,started by the Suzuki Foundation. Like the EPA,they are screaming because our Senate has the cojhonnes to start investigating their tax-exempt charity status after it was revealed they are taking foreign monies to lobby against the Canadian economy.
Long story short,same scam. You agree to become a member of the Foundation,etc,etc. What most of us Canucks have been doing is copy and pasting the form letter to our email,THEN editing it and sending it off to our Senators,MP’s and Prime Minister. Completely by-passes the eco-cultists web servers etc. And you are guarenteed it gets to the people intended,not some hyperspace file 13. So far it is having are GREAT effect on their campaign,not that they like it! Heh.
I would say Justthinkin is right. This is the right way to address this insult.
I feel insulted by the add and the approach, and the right way is… well exactly how justthinkin said, bypass the eco-cultists web servers etc, go directly.
Peter Kovachev says:
March 22, 2012 at 12:29 pm
…… In days gone by this would’ve been treason against Queen and country and drawing and quartering was the prescription. We live in gentler times; firing squads might have to do. Harrumph!
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Or at least tar and feathers. I have been collecting feathers….
I don’t know that we’re having much of an effect. The Global Warming conjecture is mainly collapsing under the weight of its own lies. You can only fiddle the temperature figures so far…
However, when you’re an activist going down, there is a lot of infighting amongst all the ‘comrades’. Always happens. Someone HAS to be blamed, because it’s inconceivable that anything could have been wrong with The Cause.
You can see this in the frantic attempts recently to paint the ‘deniers’ as all-powerful monsters funded by Big Oil. Everything that’s going wrong is because the deniers are out-spending the scientists, and indulging in dirty tricks…
William Mason says:
March 22, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I click every day. I don’t go any further though as I don’t want them using my name for their purposes. I do advertising for a living and I can tell you every unique surfer clicking the ad costs them. It’s just pennies but if enough of us do it we can actually bring them to their knees.
William,
Have you any idea how many clicks it would take to even get above the noise in the funding budgets behind these sites? Some of their supporters have more disposable funds than some small countries.
[Those pennies go to support WUWT. ~dbs, mod.]
Throughout geological times, generally carbon dioxide has been going down. There are natural sinks that will never release it back to the atmosphere for plants to use to make oxygen and food. Eventually the total CO2 concentration in the atmosphere will be too low to sustain life on this planet via photosynthesis. We might actually have to mine those sinks in order to maintain life. Once again, humanity’s ingenuity will save the day.
The following mail was sent to the League of Conservation Voters:
Does EPA (the Environmental Protection Agency of the U.S. of A.) seriously believe that environmental carbon dioxide triggers asthma attacks? Does LCV share this view? If the answer is “yes” to both questions, would you care to provide any references to peer reviewed scientific literature?
If anything, up till now it was thought to be the other way around. See for example:
The New England Journal of Medicine, 2002; 347:43-53 July 4, 2002
HYPOCAPNIA (Review Article)
http://www.breathingretraining.com/HypocapniaNEJM.pdf
JOHN G. LAFFEY, M.D., AND BRIAN P. KAVANAGH, M.B.
“clinical data indicate that hypocapnia (reduced blood carbon dioxide level) may contribute to increased airway resistance in patients with asthma”
However, partial pressures involved in this case are some two orders of magnitude higher than any hypothesized environmental concentration in the foreseeable future. Therefore carbon dioxide emissions, industrial or otherwise, have most likely nothing to do with asthma, they can neither trigger it nor ameliorate it.”
On the other hand, if the answer is “no” to any one of my questions above, don’t you think a different wording of your manifesto would serve adequate representation of facts better?
I would be extremely happy to hear from you about this issue.
Yours sincerely
Peter Berenyi
Why don’t they ban Dihydrogen monoxide while they’re at it. Oh wait, let’s not give them ideas…………
Why don’t all these energy companies just make a week vacation, or two, switch off their wells and power stations and enjoy life. I mean, nobody needs this stuff / energy anyway, unless it is superclean. They produce all this stuff just for fun and to willfully damage Mother Nature …
Go beach guys, simply shrug it off your shoulders.
O M G
Anyone believing carbon dioxide is a pollutant should stop breathing and they can save their world that way. Humans exhale CO2 and plants thrive on it. I am tired of cluesless individuals with worthless science and math in their education. The head of the EPA has an undergrad in chemistry. We should stop all synthetic chemistry because PCB’s and other synthetics kill more people than what we exhale. Maybe they should hold their breath and not exhale carbon dioxide. Either way, they shut up.
Hi Anthony,
If people click on these ads on your website, do you get a certain amount of revenue?
Cheers,
Mark
I’m debating installing a heavy Plexiglas cover over the LCD TV screen, as I’m getting really close to a Flying Coffee Mug Moment when those LYING BIASED Sierra Club ads come on. If you don’t know about them, Steve Milloy covered them on JunkScience, has the video link. He quotes from the State-Journal:
And there are all those pictures of little tiny kids sucking on vaporizers like if they were being treated in the emergency room, only one was using an inhaler, which would be one of those less-effective ones since the EPA got rid of the CFC propellants.
Which “polluters” don’t have lobbyists in Congress? Farmers have lobbyists. Manufacturers have lobbyists. Retailers have lobbyists, and they pollute with cleaning chemicals, truck and forklift exhaust, they use electricity from coal-fired plants. And whether it’s paper, plastic, or fabric bags, the manufacturer of all of them makes pollution, and as the retailers are handing out that which must be disposed of someday then they are directly polluting. Hell, Greenpeace is a polluter. Don’t their offices use fluorescent lighting thus they have mercury and electrical/electronic component disposal issues? And don’t tell me all of their throwaway flyers and mailers are using earth-friendly bio-degradable inks, or there is no pollution in making the paper and inks and from the printing. We should replace their lobbyist too?
Besides, last I heard it was NOT “arsenic, mercury, and toxic chemicals” in ambient air causing asthma. Here’s a recent 2005 paper, complete online and free:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1398-9995.2005.00854.x/full
Gut the EPA. Bring in Real Scientists who know and understand Real Science, not the “feel good” Sierra Clubbing/GreenWar/WTWF post-reality faux science.
And Stop Abusing Our Children by making parents and guardians think they can blame their child’s ailment on “polluters”, you opportunistic parasites. You’re diverting resources that could go to finding and implementing Real Treatments into your own coffers, which is horribly despicable. You are beneath contempt. And as history has shown, as is seen every day across the globe, our children would suffer in misery without the cheap energy and the technological advances powered by and crafted by and provided by “polluters”.
Sierra Club, you have gone too far. You deserve no respect. You deserve no sympathy. I await the day when your entire organization goes down in flames, and will welcome whatever group that arises that will truly and logically care for the environment without resorting to cynically and fraudulently extracting funds from the breaths of innocent children.
Ian W says:
William,
Have you any idea how many clicks it would take to even get above the noise in the funding budgets behind these sites? Some of their supporters have more disposable funds than some small countries.
This is true BUT! I was not so much thinking about bringing their organization to their knees but more in line with killing this campaign. Clicks are usually around 10 to 20 cents. That doesn’t sound like much but what if 500k of us click every day for say 10 days. At the middle ground of 15 cents per click that would add up to $750k. That’s not chump change and they would have little to show for it.
A WSJ Opinion today, concerning the Supreme Court ruling against the EPA, suggests that there is at least some limitations to the bureaucracy’s power: “In a 9-0 ruling, they concluded that the Environmental Protection Agency can’t terrorize Americans via regulation without allowing them a day in court.”
Thoughtful legal analysis of Sackett v EPA:
http://volokh.com/2012/03/21/thoughts-on-sackett-v-epa/
I endorse the idea of completely bypassing the EPA and writing direct to elected officials, as otherwise the EPA claim you as a member number that agrees with their course of conduct. Not surprising that the Suzuki foundation uses the same to boost their numbers. We have. We represent xxxxx members, helps give weight i.e. an argument from authority of mythical numbers. The other trick done by local government officials is to invite submissions on a “green passionate issue” where they know that the “passionate” will support the issue, and only a few will be motivated to write opposing the issue, but to make sure, they then presume that those that didn’t object are actually supporting the green vote by failing to write in and show their opposition!!. The 97 per cent consensus claim lives by default.
Charlie H says:
March 22, 2012 at 11:11 am
Dihydrogen monoxide condensate may be one of the most dangerous chemicals on Earth. It causes untold property damage, and kills thousands of people every year.
Here is the url for the DiscoverTheNetworks.org entry on League of Conservation Voters. Way out in left field: http://discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6907
Apologies for not making it linkable.
The mentioned WSJ opinion piece, with backup links to the story as WSJ tends to move things behind their paywall:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204257504577152830079320346.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/supreme-court-allows-lawsuit-in-epa-wetlands-case.html
FindLaw: Sackett v. EPA: Yes, You Can Fight the Man
(And I quickly found out I can access the WSJ piece from a Google search, but I get the paywall routine if I just put the address in the URL bar.)
Basically a couple started to build a house, then the EPA declared it wetlands by their authority from the Clean Water Act, which when originally envisioned was to deal with pollution in navigable waters, not land that could possibly be wet during the year. Regulating wetlands was something EPA decided they could do.
EPA can issue a compliance order, demanding the land be returned to “natural state”, and fine someone every day until it’s done. Then fine them twice as they’re not in compliance. There is no appeal process to the ruling. The only way to get your day in court is to first not obey the compliance order, which risks higher fines as it’s “breaking the law”, then you can challenge it, and the EPA considers you guilty no matter what until you comply. This case was based on the EPA system violating due process.
This was a narrow ruling where the couple “…can challenge the compliance order in court under the Administrative Procedure Act.” Not much, but it’s better than nothing, I guess.
Dang. I know there’s title insurance, in case it turns out you don’t have clear title to a piece of property. I wonder if they sell “EPA diktat” insurance.
More Soylent Green! says:
March 22, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Look at all that evil carbon pollution in the photo!
Wait, isn’t CO2 colorless? Maybe that’s not carbon pollution in the photo?
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Yes, it is, but lying for a good cause is a good thing, isn’t it?
These Green liberal types always use the attack that conservatives are stupid ignorant hicks clinging to their guns and their fishing poles.. They have used the word “Conservation”. in their name assured that those stupid rubes will click it when they read “League of Conservative Voters”.
I think that outfit really exists.
Obummer’s EPA has continued its slide into the new function of The Environmental Poisoning Agency. BP doing the gulf, etc..
They sound like the Australian leftie astroturfers, GETUP. Last time I looked, GETUP had 29 (yep!) issues of deep concern on the go, and urge people to click on their various petitions. Once you click on any of them, you become a ‘member’. They then go around claiming that they have x number of ‘members’ and credulous or stupid media and politicians actually believe them. Last count they were up to over 400,000 ‘members.’
The only plus is that apparently ‘members’ get constantly spammed by the organisation with messages urging them to do something about the issue du jour, and there have been quite a few complaints about this. It also seems that un-joining is a lot harder than joining.
Hopefully their annoying and dishonest methods will backfire in the long run. Meanwhile, they get taken seriously by gullible (I’m being kind here) journalists and politicians because of their alleged status as a huge popular movement.
The EPA does climate science like a dog uses a stick shift.
No surprises about LCV – http://www.lcv.org/about/board/
Carol Browner, John Podesta, Theodore Roosevelt IV (Honorary Chair). Roosevelt is the former MD of Lehman Brothers Holdings, is also on the board at World Resources Institute with Al Gore and he was involved with Browner and Gore in setting up Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection. He is also chairman of the Pew Centre for Global Climate Change. James Hansen was scientific adviser to Lehman Bros. Gore’s GIM carbon company banked with them.
23 Jun 2011
WASHINGTON – The League of Conservation Voters today announced the addition of former EPA Administrator Carol Browner to its Board of Directors. Leading the EPA from 1993 to 2001, Ms. Browner was the longest serving administrator in the agency’s history. From 2009 until earlier this year, Ms. Browner served in the White House as Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change.
Browner recently returned to Podesta’s Center for American Progress, (offshoots, Campus Progress and Joe Romm at Climate Progress), part funded by Soros.
Hot off the press!
In depth look at the EPA, Lisa Jackson and the UN: http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/epa_un_mission.pdf