To be effective, a new set of institutions would have to be imbued with heavy-handed, transnational enforcement powers.
Skeptics get scoffed at when we say the burdensome regulations that have been and have been sought to be imposed by the alarm over global warming are just a tool to secure a larger governance control. In today’s society, if you control how energy is generated, used, and tax, you pretty much control the modern world. People will do almost anything to keep that computer, iPhone, and electric heat and appliances.
Now in Scientific American, one writer just lays it all out for us to see, pulling no punches.
Effective World Government Will Be Needed to Stave Off Climate Catastrophe
Almost six years ago, I was the editor of a single-topic issue on energy for Scientific American that included an article by Princeton University’s Robert Socolow that set out a well-reasoned plan for how to keep atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations below a planet-livable threshold of 560 ppm.
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If I had it to do over, I’d approach the issue planning differently, my fellow editors permitting. I would scale back on the nuclear fusion and clean coal, instead devoting at least half of the available space for feature articles on psychology, sociology, economics and political science. Since doing that issue, I’ve come to the conclusion that the technical details are the easy part. It’s the social engineering that’s the killer. Moon shots and Manhattan Projects are child’s play compared to needed changes in the way we behave.
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Unfortunately, far more is needed. To be effective, a new set of institutions would have to be imbued with heavy-handed, transnational enforcement powers. There would have to be consideration of some way of embracing head-in-the-cloud answers to social problems that are usually dismissed by policymakers as academic naivete. In principle, species-wide alteration in basic human behaviors would be a sine qua non, but that kind of pronouncement also profoundly strains credibility in the chaos of the political sphere. Some of the things that would need to be contemplated: How do we overcome our hard-wired tendency to “discount” the future: valuing what we have today more than what we might receive tomorrow? Would any institution be capable of instilling a permanent crisis mentality lasting decades, if not centuries? How do we create new institutions with enforcement powers way beyond the current mandate of the U.N.? Could we ensure against a malevolent dictator who might abuse the power of such organizations?
Read it all here
Good thing there would be no unintended consequences to empowering an unelected elite with such powers… oh, wait…
Leo Morgan says:
March 19, 2012 at 4:02 am
So, there’s my first thoughts. Any opinions?
That it’s time you let go of childish thoughts, is one.
Instead, try thinking in terms that you have no right to impose anything on anyone else.
That, hopefully, will lead you to clearer thinking.
The problem here is that your basic science geek watched too much Star Trek and not enough Star Wars. Build this society and a Palpatine will emerge.
Would any institution be capable of instilling a permanent crisis mentality lasting decades, if not centuries?
So notes Gary Stix. To which I’d answer, we are already in a permanent crisis mentality. The businesses, newspapers, the politicians, the military have all come together to instill a fear in each of us of the future unless we act now:
We must buy before the prices go up, the item is unavailable, we are the only one without and facing public humiliation.
That shooting in Butthump, Illinois may be coming to your town, so watch out!
If Rommey/Santorum/Paul/Obama wins the election, it is game over for the economy/morality/the planet!
We must surveill every Briton, all the time, and have eye scans of everyone entering the U. S. of A because the Terrorist is in your midst, which is why you sons and daughters need to don body armour tomorrow and shoot up (fill in the blank) foreign country tomorrow.
I’ve just come back from Abu Dhabi and Dubai. It is peaceful there. The newspapers and Al Jazerra, unlike as we have been told, are full of information, but the information is presented in a nuanced and, at times, clearly positive way. Non alarming, even about Syria. Other people’s troubles are not personally threatening, though of great concern to relatives etc. and borders. Politics – that goes on, but the locals don’t control it – just as we don’t. The palpaple alarm we feel is not based on facts but on instigated feelings.
The western world already lives in a state of constant apprehended termination. As our governors would have us believe. If CAGW gets further, and it hangs on a fingernail still that it could, we WILL be in a perpetual state of alarm regarding the biosphere. Consider how income tax was a limited, wartime measure … in 1918 or so. If carbon dioxide measures come in, the regulation and control will not be relinquished even when the efficacy of them is shown to be negligible. The Precautionary Principle would become embedded as the EPA has embedded the Pollution Kills, linear non-threshold concept. Any opposition to the entire package, like opposition to any portion of the Patriot Act, would be a blow against humanity (or at least American humanity). This is why Gillard in Australia wants to put it beyond legislative repeal: enshrine the danger with the regulations.
Stix has the view of an insider already acllimated to a seige mentality. He doesn’t realise it, but he wonders only about whether the end-member of fear can be maintained. And, of course, that is what legislation is all about. Make it part of your daily life.
ISIB ISIA: Green IS the new Red.
Q. Daniels said @ur momisugly March 18, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Who is John Galt? 😉
Every Utopian engineer I’ve spoken to always mentions a massive population cut to achieve their Nirvana. I asked one such idealist, War or plague? He assured me plague is best. In the new world of a stable climate, there will be executions. All for our beloved climate. I can’t wait.
Leo Morgan – “Are you against every form of world government, or only those that would be as limited as I proposed?”
One size does NOT fit all. That’s why we’ve got 50 states – look on them as 50 petri dishes, each with a different environment that allows experimentation to find what works ‘best’. Look at California. A state that was rich and lush and full of promise – now it’s a place that companies are leaving. Look at North Dakota – a state that’s basically ignoring what California decided to do, and is flourishing.
One size doesn’t fit all – and any attempt to try will not go down gracefully.
“Could we ensure against a malevolent dictator who might abuse the power of such organizations?”
Simple: No.
He should read Machiavelli, as Lord Acton summed up: “All power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”
In fact, look up some of Lord Acton’s other quotes. They are very appropriate for the state of AGW in general. For example, consider this one “There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men.”
“It’s the social engineering that’s the killer.”
Indeed it is, ask the Cambodians about that.
Leo Morgan says: @ur momisugly March 19, 2012 at 4:02 am
….Now is the time for planning a world Government that we can live with.
…..So, there’s my first thoughts. Any opinions?
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Yes. Lots of thoughts since I have been digging into this for several years.
It only took 130 years for the power hungry and greedy to defeat the US Constitution. Therefore the only protection is not to have a world government so people have a possibility of keeping at least one country free. Once the control of the money supply was dragged from the control of the US people and put into the hands of an unelected group with no Government oversight we lost our country. It has taken these greedy families only a hundred years to strip our country of all her wealth and bankrupt the USA.
Why I think the current fiat money system is UnConstitutional:
Too bad Thomas Jefferson’s words were not taught to every child from 1791 onwards. Too bad
A PRIMER ON MONEY by THE COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES is not required reading for everyone graduating from high school today.
I could add that the other 90% were stolen from the American people. Because devaluation is theft by the government, or by its chartered central bank, no one ever gets prosecuted.
I suggest your read Louis T. McFadden’s Speeches for the history of the fight over the control of the money supply and our gold. For daring to speak out he was driven from his seat. When he continued to speak out he was shot at twice and then poisoned. This is one of his speeches
Congressman Lindbergh also spoke out against the Federal Reserve and International Bank Cartel. In 1918 the U.S. government destroyed all the printing plates for Congressman Lindbergh’s book “Why Is Your Country at War ?“ and also the plates of Congressman Lindbergh’s book “Banking and Currency,” written in 1913 and attacking the big bankers and Federal Reserve Law. Only a few copies were salvaged. This a PDF of one of the books. PDF of Your Country At War with modern introduction.
I’ve popped this item on my office door, juxtaposed with the NSDIC sea ice graph and two images of submarines surfaced at the North Pole, courtesy of WUWT. This is needed as the warm winter has emboldened the warmists and a recent MSM article has been prosing on about the disappearance of Arctic sea ice. Thanks, Anthony!
So, at least for the present, it may be that AGW is the One Ring.
It also occurred to me recently that people like Trenberth, Jones, and some others resemble those ghostly riders in the story, those “that were men once; kings of men” until they “were seduced by the power of the Ring”. While on the sidelines at Tamino’s and other similar sites, and places like the Daily Kos, there are armies of orks ready to attack any unbeliever…
I’m not actually a great fan of Tolkien or of the movie, but it’s interesting to consider how many of the elements in the story seem to fit the present situation.
Curiousgeorge says:
March 19, 2012 at 4:45 am
The comments in this thread remind me of discussions about the weather. Everybody talks about it, but nobody does anything about it. All of you who rant and rave about “global governance”, etc.: Is that all you do? How many of you are willing to commit your “lives, fortunes, and sacred honor” to stopping it? ….
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George, I have spent years walking up to complete strangers and trying to educate them. I was doing it well before the Tea Party came into existence (Not a member) Why the heck else do you think I spent so much time I can ill afford and have so much information on the politics?
I HATE history and did my best to avoid it in school but I am smart enough to understand Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. ~ George Santayana, so I have done a heck of a lot of digging.
I also am smart enough to realize this has to be defeated in the court of public opinion and at the ballot box. If it devolves into an armed conflict we are doomed because “THEY” have the money and weapons. With luck we can grab the minds of the people. That is where the fight is and that is why I keep bringing up the banking ties to the Fabian Society, the ties of the Fabian Society to the London School of Economics and the ties of the London School of Economics to the World Political leaders, bankers and CEOs. The rank and file socialists who think “Capitalism” is a dirty word are not going to be happy they are the puppets of the bankers and CEOs. That is why there has been the desperate attempts to tie Heartland, WUWT and others to “Big Oil”
It is also why I am the target of snark from those who support the Federal Reserve and Banker families.
For what it is worth I am a centralist. We need capitalism, we need to not soil our own nest, we need a limited amount of “safety net” to be a civilized society. We also need a heck of a lot less regulation and government funded “Rent seekers” slurping up MY wealth.
Curiousgeorge said @ur momisugly March 19, 2012 at 4:45 am
What if they had a war and nobody came? 🙂
This time of year I begin looking for the “April Fools” in small print or the Apri 1 dateline.
Unfortunately, it appears that Stix is fool of the perennial variety.
Allan MacRae said @ur momisugly March 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Allan, your link is borked. My favourite essay of Patrick’s is Environmentalism for the 21st Century.
It seems like only ten years ago Patrick and I were defending Bjørn Lomborg from the scurrilous attack by SciAm on his book The Skeptical Environmentalist. How time flies!
And the UN is started already to disarm the citizens of the US.
http://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2011/07/26/opposition-mounts-to-un-gun-control-treaty-opposition-mounts-to-un-gun-control-treaty
On the assumption you did not forget the SARC tag, let me ask you something.
Clearly you have identified yourself as a malleable ball of silly-putty, shape-able to the whims of whomever has you in their hands, but what should happen to all the self-sufficient, independent, born-free people that want nothing to do with your International Socialist (ummm, Communist) utopia? I’m talking about people like me who’s ancestors were only emancipated a century and a half ago and many could not vote until just a few decades ago. I’m talking about refugees that fled dictatorships and war-zones that are first or second generation or newly freed. Women that could only vote beginning a century ago. People living in flyover country many miles away from liberal urban city hellholes. People that have been here for a dozen generations tending the same land hardly disturbed by anyone. Amish, Baptist, Catholic, Mormon, (… etc) enclaves. American Indian reservations. The whole gigantic American stew. What of all these people? Shall they be subject to far-off unrelated bureaucratic governance? Have you ever even considered the mathematics and ramifications of majority mob-rule? The question is, what should all of these people think about your grandiose idea? Here are some possibilities …
(1) They should bend over and accept whatever an International Socialist majority of voters (or more likely dictators) decree?
(2) They should be steamrolled over or eliminated altogether to clear the way for the new world order.
(3) They should continue arming and organizing and then finally rid themselves of the homegrown Socialist cancer that continually plots and schemes their grandiose plans while we are taxed to support them thereby helping finance our own destruction.
I’m gonna have to go with (3).
P.S. When you say “Most countries like USA and Australia and UK etc started out as separate states that then united under a central government for the common good” you give yourself away as having no idea of what the USA actually is. The uniqueness of the American republic has somehow escaped you. I suggest you get a hard copy of the Federalist Papers and get reading. Consider it the The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Constitution or The Constitution for Dummies or Idiot’s Guide to the Constitution or whatever.
Although I have no doubt you are irredeemably leftist, I’ll take a stab at this reckless and ignorant comment anyways.
“backwater neo-con who have hijacked it like Palin” … Well you are gonna have to define something for me, what exactly do you mean by neo-con? This is an important question because one must carefully parse liberal speak. The liberals (for those outside the USA the term applies here to leftist progressive democratic socialists) have given us many interesting pejorative terms to deride pro-American traditionalists. For example I have personally been treated to terms like Uncle Tom in years past by compassionate liberals (not so much these days since I am older with a shorter temper and quick to lop their head off), a term which means a fugitive black that has escaped the democrat party plantation. Compassionate liberals also toss around the term Right Wing with abandon in a ignorant attempt to incorrectly associate their opposition with historical Fascists and Nazis (while their own party does contain actual self-described Marxists and Communists!). Lately, since Bush 43 they have teasingly flung the term Neo-Cons at their mortal enemies hoping they will recoil in fear. The fact that the target of the term is almost always Jewish and are derided as pro-Israel warmongers helps to expose their thinly veiled time-tested strategy. So the question is, what do you mean by ‘neo-con’? Did you ever even wonder about the purpose of the term? About the TEA party movement. First of all, no one person has or even can hijack the TEA party movement anyway since there is no infrastructure to facilitate this like a political container such as the (D) and (R) parties. One might argue that the (R) RINOs are trying to hijack or squash it, but that can only fail. I could get into your twisted hatred of Palin as well, but sometimes I like to leave the fact that leftists universally despise Sarah Palin, a pro-American traditionalist that favors low taxes and limited government speak for itself. You really should psychoanalyze yourself and determine how you got the point where these long-standing traditional American qualities have become so repulsive and so alien to you.
“godfather of the movement is Ron Paul” … Clearly you have never been near a TEA party event (btw: wrong alpha case for acronyms, TEA = Taxed Enough Already, and it is not even a party anyway), because if you had you would know that neither Ron Paul, Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin are the godfather. If there really was one, a Godfather in spirit, it might be Jefferson whose defining characteristic was limited government. The reason the TEA party movement is so hated by the left is that it is a clear revival of the original intent of the founders of the republic. Every member of that ‘greatest generation’ from Sam Adams to Paul Revere to Jefferson and all the others are routinely disparaged these days with particular gusto from the democratic-socialist machine. Any movement that represents pro-American traditional values that does not worship some weakened-America international sensibilities is destined to be hated by the progressive elitists. You know what? That is a badge of honor of the highest order.
“lip service to fiscal government-which is a hallmark of conservatives … Complete crap. The only way that would be remotely true is if we let you on the left define the terms. When you define Romney and Bush and Dole as conservatives as you always do, your sentence makes some relative sense. Needless to say though, you are only demonstrating how far over to the dark side you have allowed yourself to drift when you classify these politicos as ‘conservative’. And, it’s no wonder you leftists apply the term ‘right-wing’ to those on their ‘right’. But you still can re-calibrate yourself by simply asking yourself a simple question – Where do the founders like Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Washington, Adams (…etc) fit into your idealogical scale? Left, Right, middle, somewhere else? Or you can avoid the question and just take my word for it – you have been assimilated into the Socialist cabal and from where you now sit nearly everyone looks to be right-wing and they present a grave threat to your slave welfare state.
Frosty says: @ur momisugly March 19, 2012 at 6:48 am
from the “Policy Brief” link “Transforming governance and institutions for a planet under pressure” http://www.planetunderpressure2012.net/pdf/policy_instframe.pdf
Truly frightening, I can’t believe how blatant they are about Global Governance…
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I want to comment on page 5 of that document, streamline and strengthen public–private governance networks and partnerships, because few people in the USA understand how that is usurping our right to govern ourselves. Anyone who thinks this is about Democrats vs Republicans needs to trace the layers of this monstrosity to see BOTH parties have turned traitor to their country.
How public–private governance networks work and what they are doing is another critical piece of information and links to the intentional destruction of US citizen property rights. Property rights translates into the right to grow your own food. Stalin proved in the Ukraine how critical that right is in squashing resistance.
In 1976, the U.S. government signed a UN document that declared:
This document was signed on behalf of the U.S. by Carla A. Hills, then secretary of housing and urban development, and William K. Reilly, then head of the Conservation Fund, who later became the administrator of the EPA. See: http://sovereignty.net/p/land/unproprts.htm
In 2007 under Bush we got The House Concurrent Resolution 25 X 25 (introduced 1/17/2007)
Agenda 21: Chapter 14 ~ PROMOTING SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT: http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/english/agenda21chapter14.htm
…By 1995, to review and, where appropriate, establish a programme to integrate environmental and sustainable development with policy analysis for the food and agriculture sector…. By 1995 we got the World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture. The UN and WTO then set up a joint task force to write the regulations for farming. After many years of repeatedly introducing “Food Safety bills” “They” finally got the “Food Safety Modernazation Act” passed during the lameduck session in December 2010. One of the sections turns control of US farming over to the WTO.
And that is a quickie history of how the US citizen lost the right to grow food enthusiastically aided by both the Republicans and Democrats.
The USDA on Sustainable Development: http://www.usda.gov/oce/sustainable/partnerships.htm
Ian W says:
March 19, 2012 at 7:54 am
….I have highlighted the area that everyone needs to watch in the US. An international treaty once accepted by a two thirds majority of the Senate legally overrides the constitution…..
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NO!!!!
THAT is one of the lies they are spreading. The US Supreme court has ruled:
From: <a href=""www.sweetliberty.org/issues/staterights/treaties.htmsweet libertyt and
lawful gov
Say, that treaty looks to be applicable to military scale weapons …
How does one make the jump from warships and battle tanks to … personal firearms?
Do you have a link to the actual text of the treaty?
Have read the actual text of the treaty?
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Professor Rodolph Rummel (see Wikipedia), after a minute examination of 20th Century democide (the murder of any person or people by a government), finds that governments murdered six times more people than died in the wars of that violent century (war deaths are not, in general, murder).
His conclusion: ‘concentrated political power is the most dangerous thing on earth.’
Mr. Stix’s call for an authoritarian world government is thus, no doubt unintentionally, an appeal for mass murder.
Andrew says:
March 19, 2012 at 1:58 am
Hell will freeze over, which may be increasing unlikely in a warming world, before China will hand over any power to a communistic world government of bureaucrats such as this. So it may be a ironic that the world’s largest communist state may prevent it from happening.
Langsam, langsam. These freaks are more than ready to hand over power to the Communist Party of China and rest assured the Party is ready to take up the hard burden of global responsibility.
The Middle Empire (Zhōngguó) with its inner and outer subjects and tributary states is more than capable to exercise global governance over the Eastern Barbarians, Southern Barbarians, Western Barbarians and Northern Barbarians for their sole benefit, of course.
The Gate of Heavenly Peace is wide open.