I used to be Snow White

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

There’s a paper out by, inter alios, our good friend Judith Curry. The paper is “Impact of Declining Arctic Sea Ice on Winter Snowfall”, by Jiping Liu, Judith A. Curry, Huijun Wang, Mirong Song, and Radley M. Horton (PDF, hereinafter L2012). Judith has a thread discussing the paper at her excellent blog. Their claim is that reducing Arctic sea ice leads to heavier winter snowfall. Inherently, this seems to make sense. Less ice means more evaporation, and because what goes up must come down, more evaporation means more snow. Case closed … or not …

Unfortunately, the paper doesn’t live up to its promise. Oh, it has lots of pretty pictures. Here’s one of them:

Figure 1. According to L2012, this shows the difference between the outputs of two climate model runs. I would call this is pretty conclusive evidence, perhaps even the long-sought “smoking gun”, that clearly establishes that the two climate model runs were indeed different.

Here’s what their abstract has to say (emphasis mine):

Abstract

While the Arctic region has been warming strongly in recent decades, anomalously large snowfall in recent winters has affected large parts of North America, Europe, and East Asia. Here we demonstrate that the decrease in autumn Arctic sea ice area is linked to changes in the winter Northern Hemisphere atmospheric circulation that have some resemblance to the negative phase of the winter Arctic Oscillation. However, the atmospheric circulation change linked to the reduction of sea ice shows much broader meridional meanders in mid-latitudes and clearly different interannual variability than the classical Arctic Oscillation. This circulation change results in more frequent episodes of blocking patterns that lead to increased cold surges over large parts of northern continents. Moreover, the increase in atmospheric water vapor content in the Arctic region during late autumn and winter driven locally by the reduction of sea ice provides enhanced moisture sources, supporting increased heavy snowfall in Europe during early winter, and the northeastern and mid-west United States during winter. We conclude that the recent decline of Arctic sea ice has played a critical role in recent cold and snowy winters.

So … what’s not to like? Reduced ice causes cold surges, leading to more snowfall. Case closed … or not …

For me, the first clue that something is wrong in a study is often that they don’t start out with a historical look as far back as the records may go. In this case, the satellite ice area as records go back to 1978. But in this study, they only show snow records going back as far as the antediluvian year of 2007/2008 … at that point, the bells started ringing for me. I always start with the longest overview of the question that I can find.

So let me remedy that, and we can see if declining sea ice really does lead to cold, snowy winters. The upper panel of Figure 2 shows the actual ice and snow data (normalized to an average of zero and a standard deviation of one). Below that, the lower panel shows the anomalies in those same normalized datasets once the monthly averages have been removed.

Figure 2. Arctic sea ice area (blue) and Northern Hemisphere snow area (red).  Upper panel shows actual data. Lower panel shows the anomalies of the same data, with the same units (note different scales). The R^2 of the snow and ice anomalies is 0.01, meaninglessly small. The R^2 of the first differences of the anomalies is 0.004, equally insignificant. Neither of these are significantly improved by lags of up to ± 6 months. SNOW DATA ICE DATA

I’m not going to say a whole lot about this graph. It is clear that in general the arctic ice area has been decreasing for twenty years or so. It is equally clear that the northern hemisphere snowfall has not been increasing for the last twenty years. Finally, it is clear that there is no statistical relationship between decreased ice and increased snow.

I will leave it to the reader to decide if, as the authors of L2012 say in the Abstract, ” the recent decline of Arctic sea ice has played a critical role in recent cold and snowy winters.I certainly don’t see it in the historical record. And this is why graphing the full record of both variables is so important. There may be some effect there … but if so, it is a very small effect, it’s invisible at this level.

In a more general sense, I see this as studying “how many snow-storms can dance on the head of an iceberg”. There have been no breakthroughs in climate science in thirty years, and I can see that the people searching for the “smoking gun” establishing a “human fingerprint” are getting mighty frustrated. But that is no reason to give up on the important questions and work on this kind of trivia. If there were a significant effect of decreasing ice causing increasing snow area, it would be visible in Figure 2. So at best, they are studying some tiny, third-order phenomenon. There’s nothing wrong with doing that once a field has no big questions left unanswered.

The thing is, climate science is nothing but unanswered questions, big questions. And until those questions have answers, for them to be wasting their valuable time and their trained scientific curiosity on this kind of small potatoes?

I suppose it’s meaningful in some universe … not mine.

w.

PS—The authors do deserve kudos, however. The paper nowhere contains the words “human influence”, “AGW”, “anthropogenic”, or “CO2”. That alone is shocking enough that it should get a medal of some kind.

PPS—Joe D’Aleo discussed the L2012 paper on WUWT here. Unfortunately, he didn’t show a direct comparison between ice and snow either.

PPPS—The title is from Mae West, who said “I used to be Snow White … but I drifted.”

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trbixler
March 6, 2012 6:22 am

Time series of Ice to snow. By ignoring the daily humidity exchange and looking at the seasonal numbers it seems one might miss what really happened.

Brad
March 6, 2012 6:24 am

While you are at it, why don’t you try to refute the actual conclusion of the paper, instead of the strawman you have thrown up. BTW – I assume she has the basic correlations run here, any descent scientist would have, and Dr. Curry is.
The real conclusion:
“supporting increased heavy snowfall in Europe during early winter, and the northeastern and mid-west United States during winter. We conclude that the recent decline of Arctic sea ice has played a critical role in recent cold and snowy winters.”
Do you have evidence refuting the snowfall statement in early winter? If you have not addressed this question (your post is completely irrelevant to it) then you have not addressed the paper.
Thanks, you apology is accepted.

Ken Harvey
March 6, 2012 6:25 am

A few quotes from the paper -” potential contributor – it is more likely – the likelihood – suggests –
might be potential contributor – suggests that the moisture source for these regions” Not convincing language. Following on this approach “data” is then confidently run through various computer models.
It is claimed that Arctic humidity is greatly increased but I could not find any supporting data. (It may be there: it wasn’t too long before I started jump reading.) Does anyone here have real data for that?

Brad
March 6, 2012 6:25 am

Sorry, also the total snowfall in those particular regions, not in general.
I find those that can do science do not throw up basic correlations irrelevant to the point at hand – at least after their first or second year in grad school.

Brad
March 6, 2012 6:26 am

[snip . . repeated post . . kbmod]

RiHo08
March 6, 2012 6:35 am

In the list of authors, Radley Horton from Columbia University is mentioned. Isn’t modeler and RC host Gavin Schmidt there also? Did the L2012 authors use Schmidt’s model, hence, the outcome a foregone conclusion? It makes me wonder.

Philip Bradley
March 6, 2012 6:36 am

The authors do deserve kudos, however. The paper nowhere contains the words “human influence”, “AGW”, “anthropogenic”, or “CO2″. That alone is shocking enough that it should get a medal of some kind.
This because, were the paper correct in its conclusions, it would be clear evidence of climate cooling (increased ocean heat loss), with a positive (cooling) feedback (increased snow covered land albedo).
Otherwise excellent debunking of a very weak paper.

Replicant
March 6, 2012 6:40 am

Dr. Curry just uploaded the final version of the article. This shows now the actual figures and not the supplementary figures. The figures were not included in the earlier version, only the supplementary ones.
Maybe Willis should now read again the article and then try to make a proper comment about it and stop misleading the people here with false science.

March 6, 2012 6:40 am

Mike McMillan says:
March 6, 2012 at 2:28 am
“[Inter alios] must be lawyer Latin.
Best I can come up with is inter aliae for a dative feminine plural.”
Low though my tolerance may be for using Latin–and for the pendantry that so often accompanies it–when a perfectly good English phrase will serve, I’ll throw in this relic of my misspent youth: “alios” and “alias” are indeed the accusative plurals, and “inter” takes the accusative, so Deadman is correct. (And I believe that the dative plural is “aliis.”)

William M. Connolley
March 6, 2012 6:44 am

Agnostic seems to have got this mostly right: you’ve done the wrong analysis. Curry doesn’t claim a relation between sea ice and total snow extent, or total snow volume. You can see this from the pic you’ve taken from here paper: there is as much red as blue. What Curry is claiming is *changes* in the snowfall pattern.

March 6, 2012 6:50 am

One excellent article above and one below the one that promises the “Matt Ridley Prize for Environmental Heresy.
Hope you are planning to frame it. – You’re worth every penny of the prize – so go for it- its as good as in the bag!

DavidA
March 6, 2012 6:51 am

My reading of Brad’s first post is that he just didn’t know that a correlation between snow and ice coverage was even under discussion. He’s waltzed in half-cocked wanting to see skeptics denying warming so that’s what he saw.
Now he’s reverting to damage control.

commieBob
March 6, 2012 6:57 am

You confuse the conclusion with the mechanism:
Conclusion:

We conclude that the recent decline of Arctic sea ice has played a critical role in recent cold and snowy winters.

Mechanism:

supporting increased heavy snowfall in Europe during early winter, and the northeastern and mid-west United States during winter.

As always, you should “Keep your eye upon the donut and not upon the hole” Willis has shown that the conclusion is wrong. The mechanism doesn’t matter.

MFKBoulder
March 6, 2012 7:00 am

Mike McMillan says:
March 6, 2012 at 2:28 am
:::
That must be lawyer Latin.
Best I can come up with is inter aliae for a dative feminine plural.
############
nope: inter comes with the accusative.
And by the way: correlateion coefficient r² for cyclic signals: sounds AFAIR this sounds odd for me.
Maybe my math and stats are a little rusty.

Agnostic
March 6, 2012 7:02 am

Steve from Rockwood says:
March 6, 2012 at 5:56 am
“If so then case closed on a good paper.”
Ooo, I wouldn’t go that far. If I understand correctly the mechanism proposed here is not new, but provides some evidence. But just because one season or a small handful of autumns of low sea ice and greater snowfall correlates, it does not mean that it is significant.
What I think the paper tries to show is that it is a contributing factor, in particular to disturbing the usual circulation pattern, but if other contributing factors aren’t apparent it isn’t sufficient to bring about the high snowfall.
You would need to identify other contributing factors, find where they are manifest alongside low sea ice extent and sea whether you then get high snowfall. And you would need to do that quite a few times over before you could have confidence that this idea is correct.
In the absence of the evidence, which is hard to get, it is a plausible theory that is worthy of falsifying and giving some indication of what might happen on seasonal basis.

MFKBoulder
March 6, 2012 7:05 am

MFKBoulder says:
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March 6, 2012 at 7:00 am
Mike McMillan says:
March 6, 2012 at 2:28 am
:::
That must be lawyer Latin.
Best I can come up with is inter aliae for a dative feminine plural.
############
nope: inter comes with the accusative.
But who cares: Fred Singer can’t even quote the frist seven words of Cecar’s De Bello Galloco (in his last “paper” on WUWT).
And For Wiilis:
And by the way regardin Willis’ paper: correlateion coefficient r² for cyclic signals: sounds AFAIR this sounds odd for me.
Maybe my math and stats are a little rusty.

March 6, 2012 7:06 am

It is important to see what happened in the past. Analyzing just a few years, as done in this paper, can be quite misleading.
What we know is that the year 1985-1986 snowed quite a lot in Europe and the snow reached Rome, see here

as it happened last month. A lot of snow in Rome is extremely rare.
According the theory proposed in the paper, the years 1984 and 1985 had to have a very small arctic sea ice cove in the fall. But according the figure in Willies article, nothing serious happened to the arctic sea ice cove during those falls.
The things appear to be more complex than what the paper suggests.

March 6, 2012 7:27 am

I tend to agree with the proposed mechanism, but like Willis, question the significance. The mechanisim has to do with the processes of evaporation/condensation and freezing/thawing and the associated vast amounts of energy exchange. Our study of the Arctic Ocean is probably the key to our understanding of the rate of energy lose to space. http://www.kidswincom.net/CO2OLR.pdf.
A side note: the more cold exposed ocean water, the greater the global sink rate for CO2. Is that a “negative feedback”?

Jean Parisot
March 6, 2012 7:32 am

Brad,
Lets pin this down, you want Willis to recast his Fig 2. as Fig 2a Ice/”Early” European Snow and Fig 2b Ice/NorthEastern and mid-wester North America Snow. Thus factoring the analysis over this historical record into a geographic and inter-seasonal clustering.
Does the underlying data support such an analysis over the 1978 to present record?

March 6, 2012 7:37 am

Brad says on March 6, 2012 at 1:24 am:
“Well, your analysis ignores that the largest drop in sea ice area occurred in 2007 and the has never really recovered, thus your analysis seems the simplistic one here.
Having read most or all of your and her posts for years, I pretty clearly pick her analysis as being more detailed, more thoughtful, and based on a much deeper understanding of science as well as her having more knowledge in general. This post included.
If I were Mr. Watts I would pull this simplistic post, almost childish in its analysis.”
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Willis says: “Finally, it is clear that there is no statistical relationship between decreased ice and increased snow.”
And I say: Yes exactly – and why should it? — What can melting sea-ice in the Artic summer possibly have to do with snow-fall in the NH’s winter?

March 6, 2012 7:38 am

Does sea ice truly reduce evaporation?
By how much? Where is the data to support this? Or is it simply an assumption? In the freezer, ice cubes shrink. What is the evaporation rate for the polar ice cap? What is the evaporation rate for cold sea water?

March 6, 2012 7:46 am

Brilliant! Very simple and very clear. You can’t argue with that.
Afte reading the press release on the paper I had a quick look at the snow/sea-ice balance and its impact on albedo. I concluded that effect of declining sea-ice is not compensated by relatively constant snow cover.
http://www.climatedata.info/Discussions/Discussions/opinions.php
…and scoll down to ‘Sea ice and Snow.’

Patagon
March 6, 2012 7:51 am

The data set time series in the paper is definitely too short. But if you look at their models results (which are meant to mimic the last snowy years) one of the strongest positive anomalies is in the conterminous US states. If you check those data ( http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/files/monthly.uslower48 ) the correlation with ice cover is even worst. Peak snow cover was in 1978 and then 1979 and 1985, while the minimum of the whole series was in 1981.

Gerald Machnee
March 6, 2012 7:56 am

Winnipeg set an all-time record for winter snowfall in 1955-56. Was that caused by ice disappearing?

March 6, 2012 8:03 am

Nicola Scafetta wrote:
“What we know is that the year 1985-1986 snowed quite a lot in Europe and the snow reached Rome, see here…
…as it happened last month. A lot of snow in Rome is extremely rare.
According the theory proposed in the paper, the years 1984 and 1985 had to have a very small arctic sea ice cove in the fall. But according the figure in Willies article, nothing serious happened to the arctic sea ice cove during those falls.”
August/september extent & area:
http://klimaforskning.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=337.0;attach=1705;image
http://klimaforskning.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=337.0;attach=1707;image