I used to be Snow White

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

There’s a paper out by, inter alios, our good friend Judith Curry. The paper is “Impact of Declining Arctic Sea Ice on Winter Snowfall”, by Jiping Liu, Judith A. Curry, Huijun Wang, Mirong Song, and Radley M. Horton (PDF, hereinafter L2012). Judith has a thread discussing the paper at her excellent blog. Their claim is that reducing Arctic sea ice leads to heavier winter snowfall. Inherently, this seems to make sense. Less ice means more evaporation, and because what goes up must come down, more evaporation means more snow. Case closed … or not …

Unfortunately, the paper doesn’t live up to its promise. Oh, it has lots of pretty pictures. Here’s one of them:

Figure 1. According to L2012, this shows the difference between the outputs of two climate model runs. I would call this is pretty conclusive evidence, perhaps even the long-sought “smoking gun”, that clearly establishes that the two climate model runs were indeed different.

Here’s what their abstract has to say (emphasis mine):

Abstract

While the Arctic region has been warming strongly in recent decades, anomalously large snowfall in recent winters has affected large parts of North America, Europe, and East Asia. Here we demonstrate that the decrease in autumn Arctic sea ice area is linked to changes in the winter Northern Hemisphere atmospheric circulation that have some resemblance to the negative phase of the winter Arctic Oscillation. However, the atmospheric circulation change linked to the reduction of sea ice shows much broader meridional meanders in mid-latitudes and clearly different interannual variability than the classical Arctic Oscillation. This circulation change results in more frequent episodes of blocking patterns that lead to increased cold surges over large parts of northern continents. Moreover, the increase in atmospheric water vapor content in the Arctic region during late autumn and winter driven locally by the reduction of sea ice provides enhanced moisture sources, supporting increased heavy snowfall in Europe during early winter, and the northeastern and mid-west United States during winter. We conclude that the recent decline of Arctic sea ice has played a critical role in recent cold and snowy winters.

So … what’s not to like? Reduced ice causes cold surges, leading to more snowfall. Case closed … or not …

For me, the first clue that something is wrong in a study is often that they don’t start out with a historical look as far back as the records may go. In this case, the satellite ice area as records go back to 1978. But in this study, they only show snow records going back as far as the antediluvian year of 2007/2008 … at that point, the bells started ringing for me. I always start with the longest overview of the question that I can find.

So let me remedy that, and we can see if declining sea ice really does lead to cold, snowy winters. The upper panel of Figure 2 shows the actual ice and snow data (normalized to an average of zero and a standard deviation of one). Below that, the lower panel shows the anomalies in those same normalized datasets once the monthly averages have been removed.

Figure 2. Arctic sea ice area (blue) and Northern Hemisphere snow area (red).  Upper panel shows actual data. Lower panel shows the anomalies of the same data, with the same units (note different scales). The R^2 of the snow and ice anomalies is 0.01, meaninglessly small. The R^2 of the first differences of the anomalies is 0.004, equally insignificant. Neither of these are significantly improved by lags of up to ± 6 months. SNOW DATA ICE DATA

I’m not going to say a whole lot about this graph. It is clear that in general the arctic ice area has been decreasing for twenty years or so. It is equally clear that the northern hemisphere snowfall has not been increasing for the last twenty years. Finally, it is clear that there is no statistical relationship between decreased ice and increased snow.

I will leave it to the reader to decide if, as the authors of L2012 say in the Abstract, ” the recent decline of Arctic sea ice has played a critical role in recent cold and snowy winters.I certainly don’t see it in the historical record. And this is why graphing the full record of both variables is so important. There may be some effect there … but if so, it is a very small effect, it’s invisible at this level.

In a more general sense, I see this as studying “how many snow-storms can dance on the head of an iceberg”. There have been no breakthroughs in climate science in thirty years, and I can see that the people searching for the “smoking gun” establishing a “human fingerprint” are getting mighty frustrated. But that is no reason to give up on the important questions and work on this kind of trivia. If there were a significant effect of decreasing ice causing increasing snow area, it would be visible in Figure 2. So at best, they are studying some tiny, third-order phenomenon. There’s nothing wrong with doing that once a field has no big questions left unanswered.

The thing is, climate science is nothing but unanswered questions, big questions. And until those questions have answers, for them to be wasting their valuable time and their trained scientific curiosity on this kind of small potatoes?

I suppose it’s meaningful in some universe … not mine.

w.

PS—The authors do deserve kudos, however. The paper nowhere contains the words “human influence”, “AGW”, “anthropogenic”, or “CO2”. That alone is shocking enough that it should get a medal of some kind.

PPS—Joe D’Aleo discussed the L2012 paper on WUWT here. Unfortunately, he didn’t show a direct comparison between ice and snow either.

PPPS—The title is from Mae West, who said “I used to be Snow White … but I drifted.”

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March 6, 2012 12:13 am

Judging by the lower graph, it is absolutely clear to any sceptic and the AGW obscurantist alike, that snow fall in the winter is highly correlated to the mid summer temperatures. No doubt.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET-Jun.htm
🙂

bushbunny
March 6, 2012 12:23 am

The thing is melting ice in the Arctic is not new. Happens all the time, its sea ice, don’t they know?
It melts in summer and closes over in the other months when there is little sun to warm anything.

March 6, 2012 12:31 am

I thought Willis had left something out of his CV…
It reminded of that old comics, a bald mustachioed guy sitting in a bar saying to a lady “You cannot imagine how strange my life has been”. “Oh, I’ve seen many things”, she replies, “nothing can ever surprise me”.
To that, the guy counters: “It all started when I was a little girl this tall…”

thingadonta
March 6, 2012 12:40 am

NSW is currently underwater. Maybe that is where the artic sea ice has gone. Or maybe to the ski resorts of Colorado-perhaps they should be subsidising research into elevating global warming. Or maybe the sea level has stopped rising because it is now transferred from the artic ice to fill NSW dams. Or maybe, just maybe, a couple of slightly more snowy winters has nothing at all to do with any of them.
Can one get past peer review with a boring conclusion, such as: no correlation, no meaning and no relevance?
T

JDN2
March 6, 2012 12:42 am

Willis: The paper nowhere contains the words “human influence”, “AGW”, “anthropogenic”, or “CO2″.
No need to. The faithful NYT, Guardian, et al, will run with it and fill in the blanks as they see fit. Good for circulation, and L2012 authors get their name in print while being able to avoid any direct flack for alarmism. It’s a win-win.

March 6, 2012 12:55 am

Doesn’t make sense to me.
Go back to the 70s and see that sea ice was not diminishing, but big amounts of snow were falling.
Gosh, I could figure out about 10 papers in the following hour. One would be how the sea ice extent correlates with stock market. I would also start in 2007/2008…
Ecotretas

March 6, 2012 12:56 am

Nonetheless, Willis, despite the award-winning absence of meme terminology, it still says “warming means cooling”…but not in so many words. It’s exhausting.

Frank DJ
March 6, 2012 1:13 am

Maybe I’m seeing things that aren’t there, but doesn’t it look, in the bottom panel, as if the snow area anomaly is leading the ice area anomaly (by a few months)? If so, that would not really support causation in the direction that the authors suggest.

March 6, 2012 1:16 am

Wilis,
May I state the ‘journalists code’ here which applies here?
“Why let facts get in the way of a good story.”
And after all they are academics so have got to ‘publish or be damned’. Well done for showing that this is yet another example of poor/failed peer (pal) review and ‘computer model science’ (The Emperor) trying to pretend to be real science (‘have clothes’).
Regards
KevinUK

March 6, 2012 1:19 am

Inter alia is Latin for “among other things”; when referring to human authors, the correct (and more respectful) Latin is inter alios (if they’re masculine or a mix of masculine and feminine) or inter alias (if they’re all feminine).
[Thanks, fixed. Always more to learn. -w]

Brad
March 6, 2012 1:24 am

Well, your analysis ignores that the largest drop in sea ice area occurred in 2007 and the has never really recovered, thus your analysis seems the simplistic one here.
Having read most or all of your and her posts for years, I pretty clearly pick her analysis as being more detailed, more thoughtful, and based on a much deeper understanding of science as well as her having more knowledge in general. This post included.
If I were Mr. Watts I would pull this simplistic post, almost childish in its analysis.

March 6, 2012 1:42 am

Brad – I’m sorry to hear you have been order to read WUWT by your doctor. Best wishes for a speed recovery!

chuck in st paul
March 6, 2012 1:44 am

So we must have created HUGE amounts of sea ice in the last 12 months because Minnesota is having one of its warmest winters with next to no snowfall. Or… something like that anyway.

Mardler
March 6, 2012 1:59 am

Brad says:
March 6, 2012 at 1:24 am
You missed Willis’s point: come back in 10 or 20 years time and see what has happened to ice extent. None of us know the future but looking at a longer historical time frame now makes sense to this analytical geezer.
I’ll leave those better able than me to determine whether Curry or Eschenbach is the “better” and if you are more perceptive than most here. I will continue to read both since Ms. C became a little less alarmist.
Finally, whether one thinks a particular person in the debate is better than another particular person also misses the point: we need to look at the science as a whole and when I do I find myself totally on the real science side and highly sceptical about The Team and The Cause. Did I just come up with a better definition of a sceptic?

March 6, 2012 2:04 am

Nice try Willis, but Brad has nailed you. He picked up right away on the fact that you didn’t have four co-authors, garner a $120,000 NSF grant, and spend eight months gluing your post together.
Poor Liu, J. et al. Gotta be discouraging to go to all that effort to publish a paper, then have somebody poke a hole in it with a couple easily assembled charts.

March 6, 2012 2:04 am

Brad,
Well you are not Anthony and this is not your blog so tough!
I’ve been on WUWT since the very beginning and sorry mate but I’ve never read any of your comments here on WUWT. Unlike you I have read pretty much all of Willis’s threads here on WUWT (I’ve even re-constructed a number of his analyses) and they are always well written and very much to the point. This one is no exception. Willis has clearly pointed out what happens when you cherry pick data in order to suit your pre-written conclusions.
Do you understand the principle of falsifiablity Brad? Willis has clearly shown that when you use all of the available data there is clearly NO correlation between Artic sea ice area and NH snowfall area. The L2012 conclusions are thus falsified.
KevinUK

Urederra
March 6, 2012 2:13 am

Figure 1. According to L2012, this shows the difference between the outputs of two climate model runs. I would call this is pretty conclusive evidence, perhaps even the long-sought “smoking gun”, that clearly establishes that the two climate model runs were indeed different.

LOL. Indeed.
And at least one of them must be wrong.

Replicant
March 6, 2012 2:21 am

Willis, why do you think that they did not study the whole data range from 1979 to 2010?
What happens to your “analysis” if you use winter snow data only?

John Marshall
March 6, 2012 2:21 am

Even 34 years data may not be enough given the probable 80 year Arctic cycle but Fig 2 does demonstrate little to zero connection. The UK has had a mild winter, contrary to that of the rest of Europe, and the UK Met. Office claim that this probably proves a warming planet.
The Arctic ice is now increasing, a natural cyclic event.

March 6, 2012 2:28 am

Deadman says: March 6, 2012 at 1:19 am
Inter alia is Latin for “among other things”; when referring to human authors, the correct (and more respectful) Latin is inter alios (if they’re masculine or a mix of masculine and feminine) or inter alias (if they’re all feminine).

That must be lawyer Latin.
Best I can come up with is inter aliae for a dative feminine plural.

Markus Fitzhenry
March 6, 2012 2:33 am

Yes Willis, you are right, the paper is flimsy. Judith is on the defensive over this paper. In her defence she does appear to relate it to weather phenomena, rather than an assault on causes of decreasing cover. She has previous papers in this regard that could also be accounted for in the mix.
http://judithcurry.com/2012/03/05/impact-of-declining-arctic-sea-ice-on-winter-snowfall/#comment-181922

Urederra
March 6, 2012 2:33 am

Less ice means more evaporation,

I have problems with this argument. It may just mean less freezing.
It seems to me that there is not much evaporation at the poles. Overall, evaporation happens elsewhere, but not at the poles. Just an impression, though.

Kelvin Vaughan
March 6, 2012 2:33 am

Brad says:
March 6, 2012 at 1:24 am
Well, your analysis ignores that the largest drop in sea ice area occurred in 2007 and the has never really recovered,
Beware the ice of March!

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