Apologies for going so far off topic,but if you`re in the uk ITV1 has a programme starting at 7:30.
`The cost of going green`
I`m hoping for something other than Monbiots viewpoint….but i wouldn`t bet a cheese sandwich on it.
Fingers crossed.
ew-3
February 9, 2012 10:58 am
I’d be surprised if Pachauri didn’t have an Anthony Watts doll.
Anthony, any strange pin prick sensations lately ?
dtbronzich
February 9, 2012 11:01 am
No wonder the zombies are always moaning……..brains,,,,
Bob Diaz
February 9, 2012 11:34 am
Bob Hope had a great line on Zombies:
I guess today, he might say, “You mean Global Warming Believers” 🙂
banjo
February 9, 2012 11:35 am
Gaahhhhh!!!! Non_biots on the bloody programme.
APACHEWHOKNOWS
February 9, 2012 11:41 am
Bush paid off the people who developed the photos for NASA.
DirkH
February 9, 2012 12:10 pm
Has Al Gore been sighted in the Himalayas?
Nisse
February 9, 2012 12:11 pm
Before you go and choke on the joke: What says the data?
DJ
February 9, 2012 12:14 pm
Ol’ Patchy is gettin’ railroaded!
(the good news is that he’s a railroad engineer, so he’ll know what to do when his train runs out of steam)
Olen
February 9, 2012 12:17 pm
What a moron everyone knows for the doll to work you have to use pins. If only they had used pins the embarrassment of being wrong could have been avoided.
James Sexton
February 9, 2012 12:45 pm
Nisse says:
February 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Before you go and choke on the joke: What says the data?
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uhmm, ….. it says, the Himalayas have lost 4 Gt/yr of water, +/-20 Gt/yr…….. in other words, they’re not really losing anything…..
DirkH
February 9, 2012 2:13 pm
Nisse says:
February 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm
“Before you go and choke on the joke: What says the data?”
Even arch-warmist, newly-half skeptic Spiegel in Germany reports about no mass loss of Himalayan glaciers since 2003. Thus spoke the data: Nevermore. http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/0,1518,814097,00.html
RoHa
February 9, 2012 3:36 pm
It is Friday now.
DavidA
February 9, 2012 4:06 pm
A quote from The Guardian,
“The scientists are careful to point out that lower-altitude glaciers in the Asian mountain ranges – sometimes dubbed the “third pole” – are definitely melting. Satellite images and reports confirm this. But over the study period from 2003-10 enough ice was added to the peaks to compensate.”
When aren’t glaciers moving and melting? Ice forms in high altitudes and falls slowly to lower altitudes where it melts. A net change of 0 means the flux is stable. Everything is always bad!
DirkH says:
February 9, 2012 at 2:13 pm
> Thus spoke the data: Nevermore.
And, thus spoke the data: Neverless.
KevinK
February 9, 2012 7:18 pm
Bob Diaz, good one, but I saw that punchline coming from a mile away….
Will Rodgers said;
“I’m not a member of an organized political party, I’m a Democrat……….”
Cheers, Kevin.
gallopingcamel
February 9, 2012 8:28 pm
Bob Diaz,
Thanks for that! Bob Hope is awesome.
Nisse
February 10, 2012 6:58 am
But I am looking for other sources than Spiegel or Guardian. Those people are no scientist (quite the opposite many times). There should be same data tables and graphs with maps of measuring stations so that one can get a view. This will of course not give the whole picture I guess but something to put the foot on.
manicbeancounter
February 10, 2012 7:49 pm
The Nature paper (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature10847.html#/ref2) also includes a couple of other points.
– The rate of melt of the arctic ice caps is much less than previously measured.
– There is no mention of any acceleration in the rate of ice melt.
There extreme view (that Bob Ward and John Cook of Skeptical Science like to quote) is Velicogna 2009 Geo Res Letters.
It seems that if you base your data on a narrow time frame, or some local observations (the Himalayan Glacier prediction), you will obtain alarmist conclusions. Look at the wider, longer-term context and you get a more moderate conclusion.
Nisse
February 13, 2012 10:19 am
Thank you for mentioning the paper. But for crying out loud: the results of the study ALSO showed that most glaciers ARE clearly melting. But that was perhaps no news to most of us. So lets cling onto the Himalayas, shall we. Yes, feels cooler already (please dont melt, please don melt, please dont melt…dang)
Nisse says:
“…the results of the study ALSO showed that most glaciers ARE clearly melting.”
That’s what happens when the planet naturally emerges from one of the coldest periods of the Holocene. Glaciers melt, imagine that!
Nisse
February 13, 2012 2:19 pm
Yes I can imagine glaciers melting. But many are imagening that they are not, despite citing (without knowing?) a paper that clearly shows melting is the case. There is a potential risk that we encourage this melting. No one denies that co2 warms the planet but suddenly some extra man made co2 does not…due to…magic?
lol, nice one Josh!
The climate zombies are not going to be happy.
Hey mister….
“Hoo Doo Yoo Think Yoo Foolin’ ?”
(Paul Simon)
Apologies for going so far off topic,but if you`re in the uk ITV1 has a programme starting at 7:30.
`The cost of going green`
I`m hoping for something other than Monbiots viewpoint….but i wouldn`t bet a cheese sandwich on it.
Fingers crossed.
I’d be surprised if Pachauri didn’t have an Anthony Watts doll.
Anthony, any strange pin prick sensations lately ?
No wonder the zombies are always moaning……..brains,,,,
Bob Hope had a great line on Zombies:
I guess today, he might say, “You mean Global Warming Believers” 🙂
Gaahhhhh!!!! Non_biots on the bloody programme.
Bush paid off the people who developed the photos for NASA.
Has Al Gore been sighted in the Himalayas?
Before you go and choke on the joke: What says the data?
Ol’ Patchy is gettin’ railroaded!
(the good news is that he’s a railroad engineer, so he’ll know what to do when his train runs out of steam)
What a moron everyone knows for the doll to work you have to use pins. If only they had used pins the embarrassment of being wrong could have been avoided.
Nisse says:
February 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Before you go and choke on the joke: What says the data?
==================================================
uhmm, ….. it says, the Himalayas have lost 4 Gt/yr of water, +/-20 Gt/yr…….. in other words, they’re not really losing anything…..
Nisse says:
February 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm
“Before you go and choke on the joke: What says the data?”
Even arch-warmist, newly-half skeptic Spiegel in Germany reports about no mass loss of Himalayan glaciers since 2003. Thus spoke the data: Nevermore.
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/0,1518,814097,00.html
It is Friday now.
A quote from The Guardian,
“The scientists are careful to point out that lower-altitude glaciers in the Asian mountain ranges – sometimes dubbed the “third pole” – are definitely melting. Satellite images and reports confirm this. But over the study period from 2003-10 enough ice was added to the peaks to compensate.”
When aren’t glaciers moving and melting? Ice forms in high altitudes and falls slowly to lower altitudes where it melts. A net change of 0 means the flux is stable. Everything is always bad!
DirkH says:
February 9, 2012 at 2:13 pm
> Thus spoke the data: Nevermore.
And, thus spoke the data: Neverless.
Bob Diaz, good one, but I saw that punchline coming from a mile away….
Will Rodgers said;
“I’m not a member of an organized political party, I’m a Democrat……….”
Cheers, Kevin.
Bob Diaz,
Thanks for that! Bob Hope is awesome.
But I am looking for other sources than Spiegel or Guardian. Those people are no scientist (quite the opposite many times). There should be same data tables and graphs with maps of measuring stations so that one can get a view. This will of course not give the whole picture I guess but something to put the foot on.
The Nature paper (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature10847.html#/ref2) also includes a couple of other points.
– The rate of melt of the arctic ice caps is much less than previously measured.
– There is no mention of any acceleration in the rate of ice melt.
There extreme view (that Bob Ward and John Cook of Skeptical Science like to quote) is Velicogna 2009 Geo Res Letters.
It seems that if you base your data on a narrow time frame, or some local observations (the Himalayan Glacier prediction), you will obtain alarmist conclusions. Look at the wider, longer-term context and you get a more moderate conclusion.
Thank you for mentioning the paper. But for crying out loud: the results of the study ALSO showed that most glaciers ARE clearly melting. But that was perhaps no news to most of us. So lets cling onto the Himalayas, shall we. Yes, feels cooler already (please dont melt, please don melt, please dont melt…dang)
Nisse says:
“…the results of the study ALSO showed that most glaciers ARE clearly melting.”
That’s what happens when the planet naturally emerges from one of the coldest periods of the Holocene. Glaciers melt, imagine that!
Yes I can imagine glaciers melting. But many are imagening that they are not, despite citing (without knowing?) a paper that clearly shows melting is the case. There is a potential risk that we encourage this melting. No one denies that co2 warms the planet but suddenly some extra man made co2 does not…due to…magic?