Triangular Fuzzy Numbers and the IPCC

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I got to thinking about “triangular fuzzy numbers” regarding the IPCC and their claims about how the climate system works. The IPCC, along with the climate establishment in general, make what to me is a ridiculous claim. This is the idea that in a hugely complex system like the Earth’s climate, the output is a linear function of the input. Or as these savants would have it:

Temperature change (∆T) is equal to climate sensitivity ( λ ) times forcing change (∆F).

Or as an equation,

∆T = λ  ∆F.

The problem is that after thirty years of trying to squeeze the natural world into that straitjacket, they still haven’t been able to get those numbers nailed down. My theory is that this is because there is a theoretical misunderstanding. The error is in the claim that temperature change is some constant times the change in forcing.

Figure 1. The triangular fuzzy number for the number of mammal species [4166,  4629,  5092] is shown by the solid line. The peak is at the best estimate, 4629. The upper and lower limits of expected number of species vary with the membership value. For a membership value of 0.65 (shown in dotted lines), the lower limit is 4,467 species and the upper limit is 4,791 species (IUCN 2000).

So what are triangular fuzzy numbers when they are at home, and how can they help us understand why the IPCC claims are meaningless?

A triangular fuzzy number is composed of three estimates of some unknown value—the lowest, highest, and best estimates. To do calculations involving this uncertain figure, it is useful to use “fuzzy sets.” Traditional set theory includes the idea of exclusively being or not being a member of a set. For example, an animal is either alive or dead. However, for a number of sets, no clear membership can be determined. For example, is a person “old” if they are 55?

While no yes/no answer can be given, we can use fuzzy sets to determine the ranges of these types of values. Instead of the 1 or 0 used to indicate membership in traditional sets, fuzzy sets use a number between 0 and 1 to indicate partial membership in the set.

Fuzzy sets can also be used to establish boundaries around uncertain values. In addition to upper and lower values, these boundaries can include best estimates as well. It is a way to do sensitivity analysis when we have little information about the actual error sources and amounts. At its simplest all we need are the values we think it will be very unlikely to be greater or less than. These lower and upper bounds plus the best estimate make up a triangular number. A triangular number is written as [lowest expected value,  best estimate,  highest expected value].

For example, the number of mammalian species is given by the IUCN Red List folks as 4,629 species. However, this is known to be an estimate subject to error, which is usually quoted as ± 10%.

This range of estimates of the number of mammal species can be represented by a triangular fuzzy number. For the number of species, this is written as [4166,  4629,  5092], to indicate the lower and upper bounds, as well as the best estimate in the middle. Figure 1 shows the representation of the fuzzy number representing the count of all mammal species.

All the normal mathematical operations can be carried out using triangular numbers. The end result of the operation shows the most probable resultant value, along with the expected maximum and minimum values. For the procedures of addition, subtraction and multiplication, the low, best estimate, and high values are simply added, subtracted, or multiplied. Consider two triangular fuzzy numbers, triangular number

T1 = [L1,  B1,  H1]

and triangular number

T2 = [L2,  B2,  H2],

where “L”, “B”, and “H” are the lowest, best and highest estimates.  The rules are:

T1 + T2  =  [L1 + L2,  B1 + B2,  H1 + H2]

T1 – T2  =  [L1 – L2,  B1 – B2,  H1 – H2]  [Incorrect, edited. See below. Posting too fast. -w]

T1 * T2  =  [L1 * L2,  B1 * B2,  H1 * H2]

So that part is easy. For  subtraction and division, it’s a little different. The lowest possible value will be the low estimate in the numerator and the high estimate in the denominator, and vice versa for the highest possible value. So division is done as follows:

T1 / T2 = [L1 / H2,  B1 / B2,  L2 / H1]

And subtraction like this:

T1 – T2  =  [L1 – H2,  B1 – B2,  H1 – L2]

So how can we use triangular fuzzy numbers to see what the IPCC is doing?

Well, climate sensitivity (in °C per W/m2) up there in the IPCC magical formula is made up of two numbers—temperature change expected from a doubling of CO2, and increased forcing expected from a doubling of CO2 . For each of them, we have estimates of the likely range of values.

For the first number, the forcing from a doubling of CO2, the usual IPCC number says that this will give 3.7 W/m2 of additional forcing. The end ranges on that are likely about 3.5 for the lower value, and 4.1 for the upper value (Hansen 2005). This gives the triangular number [3.5,  3.7,  4.0] W/m2 for the forcing change from a doubling of CO2.

The second number, temperature change per doubling of CO2, is given by the IPCC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/02_02_07_climatereport.pdf as the triangular number [2.0,  3.0,  4.5] °C for the change in temperature from a doubling of CO2.

Dividing the sensitivity per doubling by the change in forcing per doubling gives us a value for the change in temperature (∆T, °C) from a given change in forcing (∆F, watts/metre squared). Again this is a triangular number, and by the rules for division it is:

T1 / T2 = [L1 / H2, B1 / B2, L2 / H1] = [2.0 / 4.0,   3.0 / 3.7,   4.5 / 3.5]

which is a climate sensitivity of [0.5,  0.8,  1.28] °C of temperature change for each W/m2 change in forcing. Note that as expected, the central value is the IPCC canonical value of 3°C per doubling of CO2.

Now, let’s see what this means in the real world. The IPCC is all on about the change in forcing since the “pre-industrial” times, which they take as 1750. For the amount of change in forcing since 1750, ∆F, the IPCC says http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/02_02_07_climatereport.pdf there has been an increase of [0.6,  1.6,  2.4] watts per square metre in forcing.

Multiplying the triangular number for the change in forcing [0.6,  1.6,  2.4] W/m2 by the triangular number for sensitivity [0.5,  0.8,  1.28] °C per W/m-2 gives us the IPCC estimate for the change in temperature that we should have expected since 1750. Of course this is a triangular number as well, calculated as follows:

T1 * T2 = [L1 * L2, B1 * B2, H1 * H2] = [0.5 * 0.6,  0.8 * 1.6,  2.4 *1.28]

The final number, their estimate for the warming since 1750 predicted by their magic equation, is [0.3,  1.3,  3.1] °C of warming.

Let me say that another way, it’s important. For a quarter century now the AGW supporters have put millions of hours and millions of dollars into studies and computer models. In addition, the whole IPCC apparatus has creaked and groaned for fifteen years now, and that’s the best they can tell us for all of that money and all of the studies and all of the models?

The mountain has labored and concluded that since 1750, we should have seen a warming of somewhere between a third of a degree and three degrees … that’s some real impressive detective work there, Lou …

Seriously? That’s the best they can do, after thirty years of study? A warming between a third of a degree and three whole degrees? I cannot imagine a less falsifiable claim. Any warming will be easily encompassed by that interval. No matter what happens they can claim success. And that’s hindcasting, not even forecasting. Yikes!

I say again that the field of climate science took a wrong turn when they swallowed the unsupported claim that a hugely complex system like the climate has a linear relationship between change in input and change in operating conditions. The fundamental equation of the conventional paradigm, ∆T = λ ∆F, that basic claim that the change in temperature is a linear function of the change in forcing, is simply not true.

All the best,

w.

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Kev-in-UK
February 7, 2012 3:10 pm

RACookPE1978 says:
February 7, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Top comment dude! (and I’m not just saying that as an ex oilfield geologist! LOL!)

February 7, 2012 3:14 pm

> So 97% of the world’s GCM model results are wrong over a 15 year basis
No.
> What are YOU doing to correct the FALSE 97% of the world’s models?
Not much, I’m am embedded software engineer. Have you not been keeping up?
> What have YOU done to stop the propaganda
I’m talking to you lot. You’re not very welcoming, though.

Kev-in-UK
February 7, 2012 3:25 pm

William M. Connolley says:
February 7, 2012 at 3:14 pm
as an embedded software engineer – please can you explain how you feel adequately trained and experienced to advise/comment on wiki’s climate change entries?????

RACookPE1978
Editor
February 7, 2012 3:28 pm

William M. Connolley says:
February 7, 2012 at 3:14 pm (Replying to RACookPE above)

> So 97% of the world’s GCM model results are wrong over a 15 year basis
No.
> What are YOU doing to correct the FALSE 97% of the world’s models?
Not much, I’m am embedded software engineer. Have you not been keeping up?
> What have YOU done to stop the propaganda?
I’m talking to you lot. You’re not very welcoming, though.

Hmmn. Going to un-edit any of those tens of thousands of false statements, propaganda pieces and false Galileo-Inquisition-styled “editing” you have been cutting out of Wikipedia for the past many years as you deliberately removed facts from CAGW related references that – if left alone – would have been accurate?
What German letters would spell “Edit Shall Make You Free” over the gates of the CAGW camp you have led millions of children into?

Kev-in-UK
February 7, 2012 3:34 pm

RACookPE1978 says:
February 7, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I fear that editting won’t help though. Fortunately, I can honestly say that real folk will not rely on wiki for sole info. My 16 yo daughter was doing a AGW project for school and (without any knowledge of my skepticism) worked out it didn’t make sense! So, I do believe that the likes of the Team, and all it’s supporting crudites (wiki editors, MSM supporters, etc) have basically been peacing in the wind. The truth will always out – eventually!!

thingadonta
February 7, 2012 3:35 pm

Lies, damn lies and models. And then there’s equations…
A good article on economic modelling here. Wish some of these jilted economists would have a word in the AGW modellers ears.
http://www.rossgittins.com/2012/02/why-economic-modelling-is-so-tricky.html

John Andrews
February 7, 2012 4:11 pm

Clearly the earth’s climate is linear, just like the weather. Today is just like yesterday and tomorrow will be just like today. /sarc

February 7, 2012 4:21 pm

steven mosher,
Plenty of commenters are questioning your model assertions, including Willis, who wrote:
“Mosh, this is the third time you’ve tried this claim. Both times before I challenged you to name the model and show us the runs that predicted the hiatus in warming. Each time you have not done so.
“Time to put up or shut up, mon ami …”
Yes. Where’s that model that makes consistently accurate predictions, year after year? The universe of NASDAQ stocks is far smaller than the number of typhoons, and volcanoes [more than 3 million undersea volcanoes reccently discovered, remember?], and square kilometres of ocean, and soot, and jet streams, and clouds, and the sun, and ocean currents, and galactic dust, and lots of other variables that affect the planet’s climate. So I wanna borrow that climate model, and use it to pick stocks. You say it can predict, so let’s put it to some good use. I’ll cut you in for a share.☺
The fact is, you’re simply describing the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. You looked back and found a few close model runs out of lots. Did you know beforehand that they might be close? No, you did not. And I don’t think you can pick a GCM – right here and now – that will predict next year’s climate parameters without football field-sized error bars. But give it a try. Time to put up…
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Connolley says:
“I’m talking to you lot. You’re not very welcoming, though.”
Poor Billy, he’s getting push-back from people more up to speed on the subject than he is. That’s the difference between an echo chamber blog and the internet’s Best Science site.
And I am not about to be personally welcoming to a lying propagandist, no matter what his manners are. I’m sure Pol Pot had some really good manners. And they say Stalin had a fine singing voice. But the would would still have been a lot better off without them.

mkelly
February 7, 2012 5:03 pm

William M. Connolley says:
February 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm
> climate scientists never update the underlying physics
Because the underlying physics is mostly well known (radiative transfer, atmospheric and ocean dynamics; ecosystems are less well known, of course, but that is more biology than physics). What is of interest is the *modelling* of the physics, and the interactions of the various models.
Sir, please show a radiative heat transfer equation that has as an input back radiation. You must be able to do this as you believe back radiation heats the surface. I await your answer.

StuartMcL
February 7, 2012 5:24 pm

William M. Connolley says:
February 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm
C> by using hugely complex earth-centric models
Not sure what your point is. Yes, it is entirely possible, and indeed permissible, to cast all of physics assuming a stationary Earth. This is what GR teaches us.
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Do you really not understand the difference between an earth-centric cosmology and an earth-centred frame of reference? In which case it is no surprise that in your world everything revolves around the CO2 molecule.

February 7, 2012 5:28 pm

William M. Connolley said:
February 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm
I’m sure everyone here is capable of judging manners, including yours, without your guidance.
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William M. Connolley said:
February 7, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I’m talking to you lot. You’re not very welcoming, though.
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Hah! The irony! This warmunist comes here and expects (and gets) fair treatment: his statements are neither redacted nor deleted. Honesty – one of the big differences between his sort and scientists and other truth-seekers – we gots it, they don’t.
That he is allowed to post in this forum is a huge corroborating testimony to the methods and objectives of the Skeptic/Scientific community, and of Anthony Watts and Willis Eschenbach, et al.
Especially to Anthony I say – thank you Sir for your efforts, and for this forum.
To William Connolley I say – you are a disgrace. But do not go away – please keep posting here, that people can witness the perfidy of your ilk.

February 7, 2012 5:31 pm

A physicist,
ultimately, aerodynamics of aircraft is an experimental and empirical pursuit with real life flight testing. Often enough computer simulations yield useful and even pretty accurate results, but most of the time there are several flight characteristics that flight simulations, air tunnels and other computer generated tests largely or completely missed… often enough during flight tests aircraft take on flight characteristics not predicted, and sometimes with fatal crashes. The planet’s climate system makes that look infinitesimal and far less complex in comparison. I suggest Van Doenhof and Von Karman for further discussion on aerodynamics and aircraft design.

February 7, 2012 5:53 pm

another warmist defeated ! I love it ! small wonder that warmists refuse to debate the issue.

Scott
February 7, 2012 5:55 pm

William M. Connolley, the boorish drunk at the bar, ruining the dinner conversation for all.
He single handedly trashed the reputation of Wikipedia. I have no time for this idiot.

Faux Science Slayer
February 7, 2012 6:19 pm

The ‘solid’ part of Earth is 259 trillion cubic miles of mostly molten rock with an average temperature in excess of 2500F.
The liquid part of the Earth is 310 million cubic miles of water with an average temperature of 2F.
Humans have put 28 gigatons of CO2 in the air that will be quickly converted to dirt or seashells at 125 lbs per cubic foot, or less than 3 cubic miles of material.
It takes a real magic for that tiny amount of gas to control all that mass…as well as an overpaid group of nitwits in white lab coats.

Agile Aspect
February 7, 2012 6:40 pm

Kev-in-UK says:
February 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I don’t care what anyone says, any simplification of earths climate system into what, a dozen or so primary variables just ain’t gonna represent real life.
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Actually, it’s worse than we thought.
There is no physics in the GCMs.
Just a hand full of algebraic equations with a set of radiation constraints and a set parameters to tweak.
They assume the relative humidity is constant and then they tweak the evaporation and precipitation parameters to ensure it remains constant.
There are no calculations to determine the magnitude atmosphere’s heat capacity (also known as GHE.)
Water dominates the heat capacity of the atmosphere, and for all practical purposes, there’s infinite amount of water.
It’s extremely naive to assume global temperatures will wait until CO2 concentrations rise.
In the end, they input carbon dioxide concentrations, assume the Earth is flat disk, and then tweak whatever parameters are necessary in order to fit the temperature data.
And once they have convergence, they perturb around the convergence by varying the parameters slightly, labeling each perturbation a separate GCM model, then create an ensemble average.
We expect more from our high school science fairs.

ikh
February 7, 2012 7:23 pm

William M. Connolley says:
February 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm
>WE> It is a simple conclusion from the premises clearly stated by the IPCC
>No, it isn’t. You made it up.
Wow! Are you really that intellectually challenged? If you are familiar with Willis’s work then you would know he is incapable of such a deceit. If you are not familiar with his work, then such an assumption is idiotic! Are you just Trolling?
Willis explained carefully that using the IPCC’s numbers, that they use to produce the projection of 1.5 to 4.5C temp rise for CO2 doubling he calculates a projection from 1750 to date. That is not making anything up. It is drawing a logical conclusion fro AR4 numbers. Simples :-).
/ikh

Richard M
February 7, 2012 7:42 pm

William M. Connolley says:
February 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm
> climate scientists never update the underlying physics
Because the underlying physics is mostly well known (radiative transfer, atmospheric and ocean dynamics; ecosystems are less well known, of course, but that is more biology than physics). What is of interest is the *modelling* of the physics, and the interactions of the various models.

Of course, as noted above, there is no “modelling” of physics. If it were attempted the model runs would take decades. So, in order to run them in a useful period of time, the physics is “approximated”. In other words, it becomes just some person’s best guess.
Another person’s best guess gets different results which is why there are so many different models.
If you know anything about Software engineering then this is nothing new. As a software engineer myself I do wonder at your attempt to obfuscate reality. Did you really think you could make silly claims and not get called on them?

Howard T. Lewis III
February 7, 2012 8:26 pm

Mr. Willis, I am a big fan of the scientific method. The IPCC is not.
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Frank K.
February 7, 2012 8:42 pm

Steve Mosher:
“Third, at some point the Modelling community will have to grow some stones and eliminate models which are running hot.”
I’ve been advocating this for a long time. For example, GET RID OF MODEL E!! Find a code that is well documented and put all your money there. I’m tired of having the taxpayers pay for lousy research software.

Peter
February 7, 2012 9:18 pm

Mosh,
Willis called you out……..hard. Put up or shut up.

NovaReason
February 7, 2012 11:53 pm

http://www.ccms.or.kr/data/pdfpaper/jcms22_2/22_2_161.pdf
Sorry to do this one to you, Willis, but multiplication and division of TFNs does not produce TFNs as a result. You got addition and subtraction right, but went wheels off the rails after that.

NovaReason
February 8, 2012 12:01 am

http://www.sid.ir/en/VEWSSID/J_pdf/90820070106.pdf
Another explanation of fuzzy number operations, that I feel does a little better job explaining fuzzy division formulaically.
Willis, I love your posts. I love your dedication and attitude, but you flat out missed the mark on this one, I’d be interested to see what the calculations are actually like, but given that you did several iterations of division and multiplication, the results are going to be highly complex math that I can’t think through right now.