In all the hubub last week, I missed this press release from the University of East Anglia. In it, they try to explain away some of the first highlighted email phrases. But we’ve all moved well beyond those now. The rebuttals seems almost comical now in light of the deeper context discovered since then.
From http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements/rebuttalsandcorrections/phrasesexplained
Cherry-picked phrases explained
Wed, 23 Nov 2011
Professor Phil Jones, and his colleagues, explain the context of some of the phrases cherry-picked from the thousands of emails (1995-2009) posted on the web on November 22, 2011.
Because of the volume of messages, this is inevitably a small selection that have been most quoted. Professor Jones stresses the importance of reading each quote in the context of the whole email trails – which have also been posted online.
Phil Jones:
Email 3062: “We don’t really want the bullshit and optimistic stuff that Michael has written […] We’ll have to cut out some of his stuff.”
What has been cut out of this quote is the explanation that we wanted the science to reflect the limits of scientific knowledge ‘warts and all’: “We don’t really want the bullshit and optimistic stuff that Michael has written that sounds as though it could have been written by a coral person 25 years ago. We’ll have to cut out some of his stuff. What we want is good honest stuff, warts and all, dubious dating, interpretation marginally better etc.”
Incidentally, this refers to Michael Schulz and not Michael Mann as bloggers appear to believe.
Email 2775: “I too don’t see why the schemes should be symmetrical. The temperature ones certainly will not as we’re choosing the periods to show the warming.”
The full email exchange reveals that we were choosing colours for a chart covering periods that showed warming. The periods chosen were 1901 to 2005 (the long record) and 1979 to 2005 (the satellite record).
Email 0714: “Getting people we know and trust [into IPCC] is vital – hence my comment about the tornadoes group.”
This was related to the selection of contributing authors, not IPCC-appointed chapter authors over which I have no influence. It means scientists we could trust to write succinct and clear text.
Email 1788: “There shouldn’t be someone else at UEA with different views [from “recent extreme weather is due to global warming”] – at least not a climatologist.”
This was in response to a request from a TV programme (via the university press office) which wanted to find two climatologists from UEA with differing views to debate on air. It was my view that I doubted if we could find anyone of that opposing view among my colleagues.
Email 0896: “I think the urban-related warming should be smaller than this, but I can’t think of a good way to argue this. I am hopeful of finding something in the data that makes by their Figure 3.”
These were discussions between me and two Chinese scientists and they were resolved, as evidenced by the paper in Journal of Geophysical Research. It was about confusion over different regions of China.
Email 4443: “Basic problem is that all models are wrong – not got enough middle and low level clouds.”
This is a discussion that referred to climate models of the late 1990s vintage. These issues were well-known and they have improved in more recent modelling. This related to model differences in development of a multi-model average for the future. The work was not published in the peer-reviewed literature.
Email 2440: “I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process”
At the end of the IPCC process, chapters, formal comments and responses are all published and that is the appropriate place for this information. It is important that scientists should be allowed free and frank discussion during the writing process. I might also point out that I decided not to take part in AR5 because of the time commitment it requires. .
Email 1577: “Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden. I’ve discussed this with the main funder…in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”
‘Hidden’ refers here to some of the work on data collection and management. This is a common issue in some areas of climate research and refers to issues of an operational nature and research aspects. An obvious example is updating earlier data sets within a new project. Most funders are fully aware that this is common practice.
Email 1897: “Do I understand it correctly – if he doesn’t pay the £10 we don’t have to respond? With the earlier FOI requests re David Holland, I wasted a part of a day deleting numerous emails and exchanges with almost all the skeptics. So I have virtually nothing. I even deleted the email that I inadvertently sent.”
This relates to a request from Steve McIntyre made under the Data Protection Act for any personal data held about him. Following a previous experience with FoI, I had adopted a more judicious approach to retention of emails that I no longer needed. I had deleted old exchanges with sceptics I had prior to 2005. I was saying that I probably no longer had any emails relating to Mr McIntyre, a prominent sceptic.
The emails referred to were unrelated to any prior request from Mr Holland. Let me say again that I have never knowingly deleted any material subject to a current FoI request and this email should not be read in that way.
Keith Briffa:
Email 2009: “I find myself in the strange position of being very skeptical of the quality of all present reconstructions, yet sounding like a pro greenhouse zealot here!”
In email 2009, I am trying to reinforce the request to my co-author to provide a strongly critical review of the draft text. I believed that I had taken account of the considerable uncertainties in the evidence when producing the draft and still came to the conclusion that the late 20th century was unusually warm. I wanted to know whether he thought that this assessment was entirely valid. I would add that I was and still am acutely aware of the shortcomings of the palaeoclimate evidence but the conclusions of chapter 6 of the 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment Report were arrived at after taking these into account, as is made clear by the section on ‘Key Uncertainties” (p. 483).
Tim Osborn (an author of the 2007 palaeoclimate chapter):
Email 4923:
The 2007 IPCC report conclusions did not weaken the 2001 IPCC report conclusions. The 2007 IPCC report said this (page 436): “The TAR [2001 report] pointed to the ‘exceptional warmth of the late 20th century, relative to the past 1,000 years’. Subsequent evidence has strengthened this conclusion.
Actually, if you refer to email 4923 itself, it says: “Temperatures during the last two decades of the 20th century were probably the warmest of the last millennium.” Note the word ‘PROBABLY’. Neither the 2001 (Third Assessment Report) nor the 2007 (Fourth Assessment Report) by the IPCC stated that these decades WERE the warmest of the millennium. Both used less certain language, acknowledging that prior to the period with instrumental temperatures from thermometers things are much less certain (in IPCC parlance “likely” meant “with a probability above 66%”). The crux of the question is whether the 2007 report backtracked or watered down the 2001 report’s conclusions.
2001 TAR (page 102): “the 1990s are likely to have been the warmest decade of the millennium in the Northern Hemisphere and 1998 is likely to have been the warmest year”.
2007 AR4 (page 436): “The TAR [2001 report] pointed to the ‘exceptional warmth of the late 20th century, relative to the past 1,000 years’. Subsequent evidence has strengthened this conclusion. It is very likely that average Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the second half of the 20th century were higher than for any other 50-year period in the last 500 years. It is also likely that this 50-year period was the warmest Northern Hemisphere period in the last 1.3 kyr, and that this warmth was more widespread than during any other 50-year period in the last 1.3 kyr.”
So, the 2007 report considers that subsequent evidence has strengthened the 2001 report conclusions. But neither report referred explicitly to the last two decades of the 1900s: TAR (2001) talked about just one decade, the 1990s. AR4 (2007) talked about 50-year periods.
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The numberwatch link above hits a #404 wall. Remove the /lying.htm and it takes you to the home page. Once there, click on ‘index’, which takes you to all the articles. Now go to ‘essays’ and click on ‘how we know they know they are lying’.
That detour was erected pretty quickly.
Dave T
Facing the music, UEA closes… but the wrong department…
“School of Music to close, UEA council announces
28 November 2011
By Sarah Cunnane
The University of East Anglia is to close its School of Music.
The decision, announced today, was made on the basis of a review into the school’s future which said that continuing the subject was financially unsustainable and may put the continuation of other humanities subjects at UEA in jeopardy.
Richard Jewson, chair of the university council, said that the decision to close the school had given the council “no pleasure”.
“Council members believe that it would be irresponsible to ignore the danger signals highlighted by the review,” he said.
“The university cannot afford to continue to subsidise a school where the future prospects are so challenging, and this is the best way we can safeguard and strengthen other humanities subjects.”
Edward Acton, vice-chancellor of UEA, said that the “number one priority” would be the school’s current students.
“I would also like to underline our commitment to the continuation of music as an important social and cultural part of the life of the university and we will be announcing vigorous measures in the months to come,” he said.
A spirited campaign had been launched to try to save the school, and had attracted the support of notable figures such as Sir Nicholas Hytner, artistic director of the National Theatre, and musicians Jools Holland and Brian Eno.
In addition, the Royal Music Association and the National Association for Music in Higher Education had offered to conduct another review with a team of four senior academics from successful music departments.
The protestors staged a silent protest outside the council meeting this morning, and plans had been made to stage a rally in protest at the council’s decision later today.
Bill Vine, a PhD student in the school and the organiser of the Save UEA Music campaign, said that the group would take some time to consider their options, but he added that they would continue to protest against the decision and warned the university: “The gloves will come off.”
“I am disgusted and angry,” he said. “We arrived hopeful that the council would accept the extraordinarily generous offer from the RMA and the NAMHE, but clearly they had already made up their minds before they went in.
“One thing is for certain: we will not give up.”
Gary Mount says:
November 29, 2011 at 8:15 am
” Or am I being to pedantic?”
Excellent,Gary. By the omission of a single letter in your sentence you provide your own answer, in the negative, and prove it’s veracity. I also am clearly not a pedant.
Darn. Failed to close tag correctly.
[Reply: No, it was a WordPress glitch. Fixed now. ~dbs, mod.]
Pat Moffitt says:
November 29, 2011 at 7:55 am
How many picked cherries are required to establish a trend?
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I would say it takes a whole tree full of cherries as long as the tree’s rings show warming, but it only takes one tree.
@David Trimble – It’s not a conspiracy! Wayne’s copy of the link has somehow gained a spare closing quote on the end, hence the 404. If you use Werner Brozek’s original link, or David L’s, it works fine. Mods, I’m guessing you can fix this? – It is a very nice link.
[FIXED. Thanks. -REP]
I don’t usually go into these nooks and crannies, but the talk of cults by others says to me that a mechanism – that might not be climate-related, but religion-related or similar – seems to bind some of these people.
For example, Ed Cook writes to Keith Briffa on Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:13:21 −0400 “I agree that Phil and Mike are best left out of this. Bradley? Yeah,
he has done fuck−all except for the Bradley/Jones decadal series,
which he maintains has withstood the test of time. Typical posturing
on his part.”
So the cult has its cliques.
It’s also somewhat strange that Keith adresses Ed as “Hi Big Boy” (Wed, 4 Jun 2003 5:02:09 am)and signs off with ‘love and kisses’ (Fri, 22 Jun 2001 2:19:33 pm) & (Mon, 12 May 2003 6:26:29 am)
Speculation only, but does this add a dimension?
If that’s the case, given the evidence of their own obvious inability to write “succinct clear and text”, I’m not sure they’d recognize “succinct and clear text” if they encountered it. Unless, of course, like “trick”, “decline”, “peer review”, “null hypothesis” and – it would seem – “context”, they’ve now decided to redefine “succinct” and “clear”.
Amazing. Simply amazing.
Chris B says:
November 29, 2011 at 1:30 pm
“There shouldn’t be someone else at UEA with different views [from “recent extreme weather is due to global warming”] – at least not a climatologist.”…”It was my view that I doubted if we could find anyone of that opposing view among my colleagues.”
Ha ha! Gold! I very much doubt anyone ‘could’ believe this particular whopper, and they definitely ‘shouldn’t’!
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Leaving aside the get out provision (ie., not a climatologist) is Jones lying in the recent clarification to this particular email?
I seem to recall a few days ago reading some emails in which those at the UEA disscuss another professor/academic teacher at their university (ie., at the UEA) delivering lectures that were off message (eg giving lectures relating to forcings other than CO2 such as solar, ENSO etc). I seem to recall that they were discussing shutting him up/getting rid of him but in the end he only had 1 year left on his contract and he left UEA and went elsewhere.
Does anyone else recall reading an email exchange of this type? If so I would appreciate being referred back to it.
If it is possible to prove Jones a liar by his own words etc then that would be damming for him.
I’m no climate science expert, but I’ve done electronic discovery since ’91. Given 20 years experience in this field I have some general observations that I find striking about these communications.
1) Lack of internal censorship. As a government employee, on government equipment, using government email systems there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. To put in writing, and press the send button, what is in some of these emails is instructive of their overall mindset. They were absolutely sure that their communications would never be monitored. They these emails would never see the light of day. That they would never become the subject of a discovery request and even if they were, they’d be protected. I’d be willing to bet that the porn they’ve been sending around to each other has been stripped out.
2) The set is clearly incomplete and has been filtered. The gaps in time and missing threads in conversations is apparent. Anybody notice the lack of spam? There’s no such thing as an email collection entirely free of spam. Especially on accounts that have been in existence for years. With no spam and no porn in the collection, only what the reviewer has determined to be relevant is present. Trust me, no truly large email collection is entirely free of spam or porn unless it has been filtered to make it so. I don’t care what organization you’re talking about. I don’t care what types of individuals you’re talking about. I don’t care what kind of IT or security policies you have in place. I don’t care what email server/client or OS you’re using. No large email collection is completely free of these distractions. Period, full stop.
3) Having said that, the entirety of this collection – including the as yet encrypted emails – is not a large collection. Further proof that this is a very distilled set.
@TomB says:
November 30, 2011 at 7:11 am
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I agree that a couple of hundred thousand emails is not many considering the period over which these emails come from, and the number of account holders. This led me to speculate, in another comment, on whether there would be climategate IV (Climategate III being the contents of the encrypted file).
So cherry pick a couple of dozen e-mails you think you can best respond to, out of thousands. And then claim that the offending e-mails are cherry picked.
Not pedantic enough, if you can’t spell “too”!
>:(
;p
What does he mean by “a coral person twenty-five years ago”?