Climategate 2.0 emails – They're real and they're spectacular!

A link to where to download the new FOIA2011.zip file is posted below the fold – This will be a top post for a few days -NEW STORIES APPEAR BELOW THIS ONE -I’ve also reversed the order of the updates to be newest at top for better visibility – Anthony

UPDATE50: 1:15 PM PST 11/30 The genesis of RealClimate.org seems to have been found. Surprisingly, the BBC’s Roger Harrabin seems to have been involved in the genesis meeting.

UPDATE49: 10:00 AM PST 11/30 While not email related, just as Climategate breaks David Suzuki commits an egregious propaganda error second only to the 10:10 video where kids are blown up for not going along with carbon reduction schemes at school. He’s targeting kids and Santa Claus at Christmas – Santa’s home is melting.

UPDATE48: 9:20 AM PST 11/30 Dr. Phil Jones on the  “lack of warming” -he may need a backup plan.

UPDATE47: 9AM PST 11/30 Fudge factor collection in the emails, or is climate modeling a social issue?

UPDATE46: A look at UEA/CRU’s email infrastructure and email systems in general suggests that the “deleted” emails to/from Phil Jones and others at CRU probably still exist and can be subject to FOIA.

UPDATE45: 1:30PM PST 11/29 If there was award for clueless timing, this would win it no contest: Penn State to lecture on “climate ethics”

UPDATE44: 9AM PST 11/29 Mike Mann reprises the role of Captain Queeg in The Cain Mutiny when seeing de Freitas being vindicated by the publisher of Climate Research (see the update in the article).

UPDATE43: 8AM PST 11/29 An Excel Spreadsheet with Climategate 1 and 2 emails ordered chronologically should be helpful in determining that supposedly missing”context”

UPDATE42:  7AM PST 11/29 The CRU crew says:  “what we really meant was…”

UPDATE41: 4AM PST 11/29 James Padget schools Steve Zwick – Guide to Defending the Indefensible. Some people just can’t handle Climategate.

UPDATE40: 12AM PST 11/29 Penn State has the same “look the other way” problem with Climategate as they did with the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

UPDATE39: It seems “vexatious” is Dr. Phil Jones favorite new feeling word after summer 2009.

UPDATE38: Severinghaus says Mike Mann didn’t give a straight answer regarding why trees don’t work as thermometers after 1950

UPDATE37: Climate sensitivity can’t be quantified with the current data according to NCAR’s Wigley, with paleo data – even less so.

UPDATE36: Dr. Chris de Freitas responds to the ugly attempt by The Team at getting him fired.

UPDATE 35: “Stroppy” Dr Roger Pielke Sr. shows just how much a “old boys network” the peer review process is.

UPDATE34: More internal dissent of the hockey stick. Mann tries to beat down the concern over “hide the decline” while not letting the dissenting scientist know there was a decline.

UPDATE33: Gobsmacking! Rob Wilson proves McIntyre and McKittrick correct in an email to colleagues at CRU, showing that when random noise time series are fed into Mike Mann’s procedure, it makes “hockey sticks”. The confirmation that M&M is right never leaves the walls of CRU.

UPDATE32: 9:30PM PST  11/27 BREAKINGCanada to pull out of Kyoto protocol. Another Climategate fallout ?

UPDATE31: 4:30PM PST 11/27 BOMBSHELL An absolutely disgusting string of communications that shows the tribal attempt at getting an editor of a journal fired on made up issues – all because he allowed a publication that didn’t agree with “the Team”. This is ugly, disturbing, and wrong on every level.

UPDATE30: 9:45 AM PST 11/27 Newsbytes. Major crack in the warming wall at the UK prime minister’s office. BBC in collusion with Climategate scientists.

UPDATE29: 9AM PST 11/27 The saga of the missing station data at CRU and the “pants on fire” defense of it as told by Willis Eschenbach. Dr. Phil Jones is between a rock and a hard place, quite.

UPDATE 28: 1:30PM PST 11/26 An email shows the UNFCCC considers activists an essential tool saying “…organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process…”

UPDATE27: 7AM PST 11/26 Climategate 2 features prominently in WUWT’s newest feature “Hits and Misses

UPDATE26: 2:50 PM 11/25 Two separate examples show obstruction and collusion by members of “The Team” to prevent any dissenting science from being properly considered by the NRC in 2007.

UPDATE25: 2PM 11/25 Keith Briffa asks another colleague to delete email to avoid FOIA

UPDATE24: 1:30PM 11/25 New Climategate 1/2 combined search engine here

UPDATE23: 9AM PST 11/25 via bishop-hill, strange infighting:

#4101 – Edward Cook tells Phil Jones that Mike Mann is “serious enemy” and “vindictive”. Mike Mann had criticized his work.

Apparently Mann went “a little crazy” over a paper showing the MWP exists.

Details here

UPDATE22: 11AM PST 11/24 Am unsurprising admission from a BBC environmental reporter to Dr. Phil Jones that they really have no impartiality at all (ho ho) when it comes to climate issues.

UPDATE21: 9:50AM PST 11/24 “FOIA2011″ and Climategate – A Chinese-POTUS connection?

UPDATE20: 9:30AM PST 11/24 World renowned climatologist Phil Jones can’t even plot a temperature trend line in Excel. I’ve offered a solution that WUWT readers can help with.

UPDATE19: 9AM PST 11/24 Gail Combs finds some disturbing connections between the Team and The World Bank

UPDATE18: 1:45PM Scott Mandia, aka “Supermandia” wins the award for the silliest climategate rebuttal, ever. It’s like stupid on steroids.

UPDATE17: 12:55PM PST 11/23 Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. has an excellent piece on “Gatekeeping” related to Trenberth and the Pielke-Landsea hurricane paper and the IPCC. You may recall Landsea resigned from the IPCC over this. Pielke says: “The gatekeeping of the IPCC process is abundantly clear, and the shadowy suggestion that they can find out who the reviewers are from another colleague is a bit unsettling as well.” Trenberth looks particularly bad here.

UPDATE16: 11:30AM PST 11/23 Insider scientist at CRU says our “reaction to Mike Mann’s errors was not particularly honest” – story here

UPDATE15: 7:50AM 11/23 Ric Werme found an email from the late John L. Daly to Mike Mann and the team – it is well worth a read here

UPDATE14: 2:45 AM PST 11/23 Willis Eschenbach offers a guest post here explaining how his FOIA requests went astray. Mr. David Palmer was the Freedom of Information Officer for the CRU at the time. In the newly released emails, he expresses his frustration with the whole procedure.

UPDATE13: 12:05AM 11/23 Craig Stone writes:

I have published a searchable database of the emails at http://foia2011.org

All email addresses and phone numbers are automatically redacted. It’s extremely rudimentary right now, but I’ll be refining the functionality and improving the search capabilities and navigation over the course of the next week.

UPDATE 12: 9:30 PM PST We’ve known for some time that Al Gore made up a bunch of claims in his AIT movie that simply weren’t true. Now this revelation in the new email batch shows that in the case of Kilimanjaro’s disappearing snows, even Phil Jones and Dr. Lonnie Thompson don’t believe global warming is the cause, even though Thompson put out a press release nearly a year ago saying just that. Told ya so. Pants on fire and all that. Anything for “the cause” right?

UPDATE11: 4:45PM PST Kevin Trenberth gets all misty eyed and sing-songy at Christmas here

UPDATE10: 4:30PM PST Some thoughts on cracking the big remaining all.7z file here

UPDATE9: 2:25PM PST Josh weighs in with the first satirical cartoon here

UPDATE8: 140PM PST Mike Mann shows his true colors:

email 1680.txt

date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400

from: “Michael E. Mann”..

subject: Re: Something not to pass on

to: Phil Jones

Phil,

I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he’s U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should

consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.

I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.

I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them….

UPDATE7: 1:20 PM PST Phil Jones and Tom Wigley calls another scientist (The former state climatologist of California) a “jerk” for publishing his UHI results.

UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did in Seattle with Thomas Peterson in summer 2007, yes these are 100% real emails, no doubt whatsoever now. More here: Climategate 2.0 – NCDC: “Mr. Watts gave a well reasoned position”

UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.

UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0  emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular!  with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.

UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:

When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”

I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.

UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up by Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:

Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.

The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.

UPDATE1: 8:20 AM PST These emails have not been verified yet, and this story was posted by one of my moderating staff while I was asleep. Until such time they are verified, tread lightly because without knowing what is behind the rest of the zip file, for all we know it’s a bunch of recipes and collection of  lorem ipsum text files. I’m working to authenticate these now and will report when I know more – Anthony Watts

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Early this morning, history repeated itself. FOIA.org has produced an enormous zip file of 5,000 additional emails similar to those released two years ago in November 2009 and coined Climategate. There are almost 1/4 million additional emails locked behind a password, which the organization does not plan on releasing at this time.

The original link was dropped off in the Hurricane Kenneth thread at about 4 AM Eastern. It is still there.

Some initial snippets floating around the blogosphere:

<3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year

“reconstruction”.

<3115> Mann:  By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year

reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that

reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.

<3940> Mann:  They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic

example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted

upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a

bit.

<0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s

doing, but its not helping the cause

<2440> Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the

process

<2094> Briffa: UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC

task.

JeffId has some initial reaction

From the ReadMe file:

/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///

“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”

“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”

“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.

“Poverty is a death sentence.”

“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize

greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”

Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on

hiding the decline.

This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few

remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.

The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning

to publicly release the passphrase.

We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such

as…

==============================================================

Here’s one about UHI that is convincing:

cc: liqx@cma.xxx

date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:37 +0800

from: =?gb2312?B?JUQ1JUM1JUMwJUYyJUMzJUY0IA==?= <limmy@xxx>

subject: Re:Re: thank you

to: p.jones@xxx

Dear Phil,

Again I find that the emails from my CMA mail boxes can not get to you.

From attaches please find the data of 42 urban stations and 42 rural stations (by your

list) and a reference of homogenization of the data. we have tested and adjusted the abrupt

discontinuities of the data during 1951-2001, but the following years (2002-2004) has only

been quality controled and added to the end of the series, but we found the relocation

during these 3 years have minor effects on the whole series in most of the stations.

I  partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat

island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s. But I think

different methods, data, and selection of the urban and rural stations would be the most

important causes of this. So I think it is high time to give some new studies and graw some

conclusion in this topic.  I hope we can make some new achives on this both on global scale

and in China.

Best

Qingxiang

—– Original Message —–

From: “Phil Jones” < p.jones@xxxx >

To: “Rean Guoyoo” < guoyoo@xxxx >

Cc: “%D5%C5%C0%F2%C3%F4” < limmy@xxx>, < liqx@cma.xxx >

Sent: 2007-09-24 16:25:59 +0800

Subject: Re: thank you

Dear Guoyu,

I think I emailed you from America last week. I am away again next week,

but here this week.

I do think that understanding urban influences are important.  I will

wait for Dr Li Qingxiang to send some data, but there is no rush, as I am

quite busy the next few weeks.

Best Regards

Phil

At 00:59 20/09/2007, you wrote:

The following message was returned back when I sent via cma site. I send it again via

this site. I also forwarded this message to Dr, Li Qingxiang.

Regards,

Guoyu

Dear Phil,

Thank you for your message of Sept 11, 2007. I have just been back from the US. Sorry

for the delayed response.

I noted the discussion on blog sites. This is indeed a big issue in the studies of

climate change.

In the past years, we did some analyses of the urban warming effect on surface air

temperature trends in China, and we found the effect is pretty big in the areas we

analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. I think there

might be at least three reasons for the difference: (1) the areas chosen in the analyses

are different; (2) the time periods analyzed are obviously varied, and the aft-1990

period is seeing a more rapid warming in most areas of China; (3) the rural stations

used for the analyses are different, and we used some stations which we think could be

more representative for the baseline change.

We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent

our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.

It is my opinion that we need to re-assess the urbanization effect on surface air

temperature records for at least some regions of the continents. I am glad that you are

going to redo it using the updated dataset. I expect you to obtain the new outcome.

As for the dataset, I believe that Dr. Li Qingxiang could give you a hand. He and his

group conducted a lot work of detection and adjustment of the inhomogeneities in the

past years, and the adjusted and the raw datasets are all stored and managed in his

center. The datasets we used are also from his center.

I’d be happy to discuss some issues with you late, but I would not necessarily be as a

co-author because my contribution would be rather minor.

Best regards,

Guoyu

NCC, Beijing

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Prof. Phil Jones

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November 27, 2011 4:34 pm

After I’d written that I don’t know any professional colleagues of mine who will admit to having been suckered by this “man-made global warming” bullpuckey (because were I to be so appraised, I’d sure as hell have to consider dropping such an idiot from my referral base, and maybe looking into whatever actions have been undertaken by hospital Quality Assurance committees wherever he’s got staff privileges), we’ve got this friggin’ warmista dork styling himself “A physicist” at 4:13 PM on 27 November puking up something about:

…Craig Venter a pretty darn prominent MD/PhD who’s one of those “suckers”? …

…and then trying like the fumblenuts he is to shovel in “emoticons” by typing: “;) 😉 ;)”
Gawd, los warmistas really do have a helluva “hire the handicapped” policy, don’t they? Our “A physicist” dickless wonder goes on to characterize Venter as:

…a physician, a scientist, *and* a businessman … heck, those stupid CEO’s at ExxonMobil just invested $600M in Venter’s carbon-neutral energy startup Synthetic Genomics.

Well, if nothing else, it’s a comfort in this indication that Venter’s not actually a practicing physician. Just another crook taking advantage of government thuggery to suck the taxpaying public dry. Hippocrates forbid that there should ever be any real, live patients depending upon Dr. Venter’s moral and professional integrity for their well-being.
And – of course – this “A physicist” cement-head shoveld in yet more “emoticon” idiocy (” 😉 😉 ;)”).
Does this blithering dolt understand the meaning of the words “professional colleagues of mine” (emphasis on the word “mine,” which connotes physicians and surgeons of my personal acquaintance and experience), or is he just determined to blow gas for no purpose other than his own coprophilic self-satisfaction?

Theo Goodwin
November 27, 2011 4:39 pm

Solomon Green says:
November 26, 2011 at 10:46 am
Extremely well said. But I implore you, Sir, use more of plain speech so that your readers can find your conclusion.

November 27, 2011 4:54 pm

Solomon Green doesn’t fool me. I know what causes rising temps:☺☺☺

November 27, 2011 4:58 pm

Hm. Went to Wiki-bloody-pedia and looked up Craig Venter to discover that he’s not a physician after all. Having enlisted in the U.S. Navy when he was drafted during the Vietnam War, Venter is described as having served “in the intensive-care ward of a field hospital,” and as having “attempted to commit suicide by swimming out to sea, but changed his mind more than a mile out.”
“Being confronted with wounded, maimed, and dying soldiers on a daily basis” (sez Wiki-bloody-pediat) “instilled in him a desire to study medicine — although he later switched to biomedical research.”
So insofar as direct patient care experience is concerned, Venter was (perhaps) a Hospital Corpsman. If that.
If there’s evidence that Venter is one of los warmistas, there’s no indication in open-source information online. He seems simply to be focused on the use of synthetic microorganisms to produce “biofuel” feedstocks, in which pursuit I wish him lotsa luck. If it works, it might put an end to the “fuel ethanol” boondoggle and restore agricultural land and fertilizers and machinery and expertise to the production of food instead of wasteful, inefficient, odious, government-subsidized corn-derived ethyl alcohol.
In which case, I’m pretty sure that both warmistas like this “A physicist” putz and the management of ConAgra and Archer Daniels Midland are gonna wish that Venter had kept on swimming back there in Vietnam.

vigilantfish
November 27, 2011 5:04 pm

Baa Humbug says:
November 27, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Whoaa! Nice catch. Talk about a ‘fine tooth comb’ examination!

A physicist
November 27, 2011 5:06 pm

Tucci78 says: After I’d written that I don’t know any professional colleagues of mine who will admit to having been suckered by this “man-made global warming” bullpuckey (because were I to be so appraised, I’d sure as hell have to consider dropping such an idiot from my referral base, and maybe looking into whatever actions have been undertaken by hospital Quality Assurance committees wherever he’s got staff privileges)

Tucci78, a recent lead editorial in The British Medical Journal (BMJ) titled “Climate change, ill health, and conflict” presents an analysis of the medical consequences of climate-change whose methods, conclusions, and dignity of expression all are opposite to yours.
WUWT reads are encouraged to compare the skeptical arguments of Tucci78’s post with those of the BMJ editorial and decide for themselves.

Anon
November 27, 2011 5:22 pm

1. wayne, November 26, 2011 at 8:02 pm, thanks for your in-depth analyse of EVIL!!! within the Global Warming Hoax/Climategate 2.0, whether it´s from Science, Environmentalism, Politics, Academia, Media, et cetera, IT IS EXTREMELY DISTURBING AND INSANE. (Climate change is a natural fluctuation.)
2. Man Made Global Warming Is Not Real, Michael Mann´s Hockey Stick Curve Is Debunked by S. McIntyre, and R. McKitrick in 2003!!!
http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2005/09/mcintyre.mckitrick.2003.pdf
http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/hockey_stick/hockeystick01.html
SAY NO TO GLOBAL WARMING HOAX
SAY NO TO JUNK SCIENCE
3. Restore The Scientific Method!!!
http://climateconference.heartland.org/

Theo Goodwin
November 27, 2011 5:29 pm

barry says:
November 26, 2011 at 7:18 am
“On the divergence issue, it is NOT an ‘inescapable conclusion’ that the data is ‘useless’, but that outcome is a strong possibility that must be explored. Most data is imperfect, but that doesn’t mean they are useless. Your comments suggests more about your preferences than your ability to weigh these issues coolly.”
You are aware that they never explored it, right? To this day it has not been explored. Climategaters are averse to empirical research and the genuine physical hypotheses that it can produce.

November 27, 2011 5:37 pm

Tucci78:
Luckily I’m finished with formal school for now and employed, but thanks.

November 27, 2011 5:42 pm

A physicist,
If you and yours are wrong here is a deal. Results will not be known for say 2,000 years.
So how about this deal, if your hockey stick ends up a fraud, this, “All the future earnings of our collective gene code (heirs and assigns together with decent and distrubution under the law) will go to the heirs and assigns , decent and distrubition under the law of all third world humans who are alive 2,000 years from now.
Put up or shut up. Name a date when AGW does mother earth in.
Or just play word games based on fraud data to hide the truth to the end of your days.

Patrick Davis
November 27, 2011 5:43 pm

“A physicist says:
November 27, 2011 at 5:06 pm”
Do a google serach on the Moche in what is now Chille/peru. Their fate was sealed by climate change, true, but I have yet to see any evidence emissions of CO2 from human activities drove that change.

Theo Goodwin
November 27, 2011 5:57 pm

barry says:
November 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm
“Theo here says
Remove the Hockey Stick and there is no basis whatsoever for the claim that late 20 century warming is out of the ordinary.”
I thought everyone was familiar with the claim that the Hockey Stick offers empirical evidence which shows that late 20 century warming is unprecedented. Maybe I needed to clarify that. Further responses below.
No basis whatsoever?
“MBH 99, the hockey stick paper, concluded that late 20th century warming was anomalous, and that 1990s were likely,/i> the warmest in the last millennium – in the Northern Hemisphere. Let’s compare that with non-Mannian papers.”
There is the Hockey Stick claim. They use the word ‘anomalous’ in its meaning of “unprecedented,” “unheard of,” etc.
“Using our model…” McShane and Wyner (2010)
Models are non-empirical. Also, they are tinker toys.
“The IPCC2001 conclusion that temperatures of the past millennium are unlikely to have been as warm, at any time prior to the 20th century, as the last decades of the 20th century is supported by subsequent research and by the results obtained here. We have also reviewed and, in some cases, tested with new analysis, papers (in particular Soon and Baliunas, 2003, MM2003 and MM2005b) which claim to refute that IPCC2001 conclusion and found that those claims were not well supported. The IPCC 2007 conclusion that “It is very likely that average NH temperatures during the second half of the 20th century were warmer than any other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the warmest in at least the past 1300 years” (Solomon et al., 2007) is also supported by our analysis.” Juckes et al (2007)
The first sentence supports my claim. The remainder does not cover the MWP. It is irrelevant to my claim.
“During the late 20th century, our proxy-inferred summer temperatures were the warmest of the past two millennia, with four of the five warmest decades of our 2000-year-long reconstruction occurring between 1950 and 2000. Kaufman et al (2009) [Based on Arctic summertime temperatures]”
Temperatures that are the warmest of the past two millennia could be in the same ballpark as the MWP. They do not say. Irrelevant.
“Taken at face value, our reconstruction indicates that MWP conditions were nearly 0.7C cooler than those of the late twentieth century. These results suggest how extreme recent warming has been relative to the natural fluctuations of the past millennium. This conclusion, however, must be taken cautiously. D’Arrigo et al (2006)”
Puts the MWP in the same ballpark as today. Then warns caution.
“We find no evidence for any earlier periods in the last two millennia with warmer conditions than the post-1990 period – in agreement with previous similar studies Moberg (2005)”
Does not say that the MWP was not as warm as today. Supports my claim.
“The reconstructions show the temperatures of the mid-Holocene warm period some 1–2 K above the reference level, the maximum of the MWP at or slightly below the reference level, the minimum of the LIA about 1 K below the reference level, and end-of-20th century temperatures about 0.5 K above the reference level. All of these amplitude estimates are, as with the timing of these episodes, generally consistent with amplitudes estimated from other climate proxies as summarized by Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [2007].”
States that the MWP was considerably warmer than today. Supports my claim.
“Huang et al (2008)
I left out any paper that had Mann as co-author. There are a couple of papers in the peer-reviewed literature that suggest warmer MWP than present, but the majority of studies that look at the issue come up with pretty much the same conclusions as Mann – NH temperatures in the last few decades are likely the warmest in the last 1000 to 2000 years.”
Puts the MWP in the same ballpark as today. By the way, it is a literature survey and, for that reason, is worthless. I am looking for empirical research.
But Mann and his minions, especially Al Gore, have used the word ‘unprecedented’. The MWP shows that there is nothing unprecedented about today’s warming.

November 27, 2011 6:03 pm

“A physicist” (who gets put between quotation marks for the same reason that intellectually honest people do the same thing with the word “Liberal” when referring to modern American milk-and-water fascists) at 5:06 PM on 27 November pointlessly refers to:

…a recent lead editorial in The British Medical Journal (BMJ) titled “Climate change, ill health, and conflict[which this “A physicist” dickwad claims] presents an analysis of the medical consequences of climate-change whose methods, conclusions, and dignity of expression all are opposite to yours.

Without, of course, quoting one friggin’ word from this editorial, or finding anything in the text thereof being predicated upon case-based clinical evidence supportive of any epidemiological conclusions, merely second-handing an International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) statement that “The earth is warming, and has been for at least a century,” claiming that this is “directly attributable to the increasing emission of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.”
How this got past peer review at BMJ is a manifest of how totally screwed up the medical literature has become, particularly in the same country where The Lancet gave us Andrew Wakefield’s demonstrably deadly MMR/autism idiocy in 1998.
Take what you read in any of the “prestigious” medical publications cum grano salis, kiddies. The editors get screwed out of their socks all the time. “A physicist” – in addition to not being a physicist of any kind whatsoever – sure as hell isn’t a physician, either, else the stupid sod would know this, and wouldn’t keep stepping on his prepuce every time he puts his foot down.
Meanwhile this “A physicist” load of guano concludes his nonsense with

WUWT readers are encouraged to compare the skeptical arguments of Tucci78′s post with those of the BMJ editorial and decide for themselves.

Those readers are also encouraged to understand that I do not represent (nor do I belong to) the British Medical Society, or even to that worthless collection of slurpers in Chicago, the AMA, with whose policies and pronouncements I am often in considered and conscientious disagreement.
As have been increasing numbers of American physicians and surgeons over the past half-century and more.

Theo Goodwin
November 27, 2011 6:13 pm

A physicist says:
November 27, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Medicine is first and foremost a discipline that exists to provide care to the sick. In other words, its primary goal is not scientific.
Science is first and foremost a discipline that exists to discover truth about nature. Its primary goal is not to care for people.
Watermelons want to apply the medical model to science. They want science to be changed so that it first and foremost provides care to the sick. That change would be a perversion of science that destroys it. Science would not proceed until Bangladesh and all such places are as secure as the United States.
Medicine cannot take as its first and foremost goal that of discovering truth about nature. It cannot because it would have to set aside its goal every time a sick patient showed up. Medicine can draw upon the results of science.
Please stop being a watermelon.

A physicist
November 27, 2011 6:53 pm

WWUT readers are invited to contrast the Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) level of respect for Craig Venter with Tucci78’s post.
My wife and have a distinct prejudice in favor of Navy Corpsman … it was a Navy Corpsman who stopped our Marine son’s bleeding in a field-tent north of Baghdad … and gave a cell-phone so he could call home … while one of my own MD colleagues prepped him for surgery.
Whatever the level of respect that is due to America’s Corpsmen and veterans, it’s pretty clear that the level of respect that Tucci78 is showing falls below that minimum.

JPeden
November 27, 2011 7:30 pm

A physicist says:
November 27, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Tucci78, a recent lead editorial in The British Medical Journal (BMJ) titled “Climate change, ill health, and conflict” presents an analysis of the medical consequences of climate-change whose methods, conclusions, and dignity of expression all are opposite to yours.
Another appeal to an alleged Authority, by unproven Association to boot, A Climate Scientist, and therefore another FAIL. Btw, do you think the Editorial was “peer reviewed”?
But Let me guess what these “medical consequences” of “climate change” = “CO2 = CAGW” are: I’ll bet they operate on a “medical” model such that, “If we don’t do something really stupid before it’s too late!, such as effectively commit suicide or become enslaved to a fossil fuel CO2 phobia at the hands of our Totalitarian Master wannabees, and get regressed back to time zero anyway, we’re all gonna die!!”
A Climate Scientist, no responsible clinical M.D. would ever prescribe an alleged treatment for for an alleged “disease agent” allegedly responsible for a condition that itself was not only not a net disease, but instead an obvious precondition for Health. Nor would any responsible practicing M.D. prescribe an alleged cure for an alleged disease which is clearly much worse that the alleged disease.
So congratulations, A Climate Scientist, you’ve earned yet another FAIL! Or several more and counting.

November 27, 2011 7:33 pm

[SNIP: Sorry, but this is really over the top and you are playing into his hands. -REP]

JPeden
November 27, 2011 7:39 pm

A physicist says:
November 27, 2011 at 6:53 pm
“while one of my own MD colleagues prepped him for surgery.”
Omg, so now you’re an M.D? What next, a Farmer or an Olympic Gold Medalist? Seriously, A Climate Scientist, by now who in their right mind would ever trust a Climate Scientist?
[MODERATOR’S NOTE: This is the last comment of this type I will approve. It is abusive and contributes nothing to the thread. The troll happens to hold a dual appointment to a graduate school of engineering and an associated medical school. -REP]
{NOTE to A PHYSICIST: Why don’t you just use your real name and be done with it? It’s not as if you’re that difficult to track down and have a sordid past. -REP]

barry
November 27, 2011 7:49 pm

Theo Godwin on the divergence issue.

You are aware that they never explored it, right? To this day it has not been explored.

This 1995 paper is one of the earliest to note the divergence issue. Briffa in 1998 discusses possible causes of the divergence in the paper, “Trees tell of past climates: but are they
speaking less clearly today?” Cook et al(2004) were able to isolate the MXD proxies that diverged from other proxies that did not diverge from the instrumental record. A study entitled On the ‘Divergence Problem’ in Northern Forests: A review of the
tree-ring evidence and possible causes
(link) looks at an array of previous studies on the matter.
Your ignorance is not a problem, it’s the certainty that accompanies it that spells it out – you are not a skeptic. you are a propagandist.

Climategaters are averse to empirical research and the genuine physical hypotheses that it can produce.

Beautifully ironic, don’t you think?
(A couple of people have commented that I’m defending the likes of Mann or Jones or whoever. I don’t care about them. It’s just sickening to observe the wholesale disregard of skeptical analysis – like Theo’s gormless certainty on the divergence issue having never been examined – by people who call themselves skeptics. I’m not passionate about paleoclimate (though I’ve familiarised myself with the literature). Michael Mann et al can go hang for all I care. I’m passionate about critical thinking and skepticism. Nowhere is the concept and practise of skepticism more abused than by the anti-AGW milieu. That, more than anything else, is what drives my comments here.)
In the deeps of this thread, most commenters are tribal, not skeptical. Thus it will pass that Theo can be so disastrously wrong in his comments, and not one of the ‘skeptics’ here will point it out, and neither will they defer to the referenced literature provided when the next ignorant comment appears that the divergence issue has ‘never been examined’. Because unity is more important that truth.
Such is the tribal mind of the so-called skeptics, that my comments here look to them like ‘defending Mann’, when all they are and have ever been is repudiation of irrational thinking.
“If you’re agin’ us, you must be with t’others.” – the fallacy of the excluded middle, a typical mistake of tribally or politically driven chatterers.

Editor
Reply to  barry
November 27, 2011 9:43 pm

barry –
– the “1995 paper” is paywalled.
– Briffa 1998 says “the cause is not understood”
– Cook 2004 says “it does very well at tracking the instrumental data on inter-decadal and longer timescales up to about 1982, after which the treering estimates systematically under-estimate the actual warming”
– all their other comments on the issue are only speculation. The issue is certainly not explored in the non-paywalled papers you provide.
Theo Godwin would appear to be correct : “To this day it has not been explored.“.
I resent having spent a lot of my limited time ploughing through those papers, only to find that your claim was in no way substantiated by them. In future, please extract the relevant bits from items you wish to cite, in order to save others’ time.

November 27, 2011 8:00 pm

The moderator REP obliterates my post of 7:33 PM on 27 November in response to this “A physicist” [SNIP: I know the term and it is abusive -REP] with:

[SNIP: Sorry, but this is really over the top and you are playing into his hands. -REP]

Nonsense. It is not “over the top” to observe the pitiful effort of this warmista poseur to assume the cachet of a particular biomedical research scientist first because “A physicist” mistakenly thinks Dr. Venter to be a physician who’d gotten suckered by the AGW fraud and then because – good gawd! – “A physicist” thinks that a stint as a Hospital Corpsman in Danang (1967-68) confers upon Dr. Venter some equally puissant respectability as a supporter of the preposterous junk science “A physicist” is trying to peddle in this forum.
When, of course, there’s no goddam proof whatsoever that John Craig Venter himself – as scientist, entrepreneur, or ex-conscript – gives the AGW fraud any credence at all.
[REPLY: Somewhat better, but making your points with less vituperousness would be better still. Please. -REP]

A physicist
November 27, 2011 8:37 pm

Theo Goodwin says: Medicine is first and foremost a discipline that exists to provide care to the sick. In other words, its primary goal is not scientific.
Science is first and foremost a discipline that exists to discover truth about nature. Its primary goal is not to care for people.

Theo, please let me say that your well-considered and respectfully-phrased post was very welcome.
My best answer would be, that the history of both medicine and science is replete with examples of workers for whom clinical care is medicine’s near-term mission, and scientific understanding is medicine’s long-term mission. And it’s a pretty fair approximation of the truth to say that those people who hold this short-and-long merged view are responsible for medicine’s greatest advances.
It is these short-and-long-view physicians who are most likely to speak out regarding climate change, and it is not realistic to expect them to refrain from doing so.

November 27, 2011 8:53 pm

Naturally the deluded “a physicist” would link to the repeatedly debunked Lancet. Credible sources appear to be beyond “a physicist’s” purview.

November 27, 2011 9:00 pm

Egad.
[REPLY: You know it is and you meant it so. Fossilized or fresh, just let’s keep it semi-civilized, OK? You’ve got a lot of great material to work with. -REP]

A physicist
November 27, 2011 9:15 pm

Tucci78 says: When, of course, there’s no goddam proof whatsoever that John Craig Venter himself – as scientist, entrepreneur, or ex-conscript – gives the AGW fraud any credence at all.
[REPLY: Somewhat better, but making your points with less vituperousness would be better still. Please. -REP]

The scientists at the J. Craig Venter Institute aren’t just “talking-the-talk” of working toward carbon neutrality to slow climate change, they’re walking-the-walk too.
This work is worthy of informed respect, eh?

November 27, 2011 9:35 pm

At 9:15 PM on 27 November, the piece of [self-snip] styling itself “A physicist” reaches up his [self-snip] really far and from a region normally only seen by gastroenterologists and general surgeons yanks a page from the J. Craig Venter Institute where we find the Public Relations Department simpering:

One of our quests is to help solve two troubling issues—global climate change and our dependence on hydrocarbons.

Which means that I was right about Venter to begin with and he really is “Just another crook taking advantage of government thuggery to suck the taxpaying public dry.”
How nice to get that solidly on the record.

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