A link to where to download the new FOIA2011.zip file is posted below the fold – This will be a top post for a few days -NEW STORIES APPEAR BELOW THIS ONE -I’ve also reversed the order of the updates to be newest at top for better visibility – Anthony
UPDATE50: 1:15 PM PST 11/30 The genesis of RealClimate.org seems to have been found. Surprisingly, the BBC’s Roger Harrabin seems to have been involved in the genesis meeting.
UPDATE49: 10:00 AM PST 11/30 While not email related, just as Climategate breaks David Suzuki commits an egregious propaganda error second only to the 10:10 video where kids are blown up for not going along with carbon reduction schemes at school. He’s targeting kids and Santa Claus at Christmas – Santa’s home is melting.
UPDATE48: 9:20 AM PST 11/30 Dr. Phil Jones on the “lack of warming” -he may need a backup plan.
UPDATE47: 9AM PST 11/30 Fudge factor collection in the emails, or is climate modeling a social issue?
UPDATE46: A look at UEA/CRU’s email infrastructure and email systems in general suggests that the “deleted” emails to/from Phil Jones and others at CRU probably still exist and can be subject to FOIA.
UPDATE45: 1:30PM PST 11/29 If there was award for clueless timing, this would win it no contest: Penn State to lecture on “climate ethics”
UPDATE44: 9AM PST 11/29 Mike Mann reprises the role of Captain Queeg in The Cain Mutiny when seeing de Freitas being vindicated by the publisher of Climate Research (see the update in the article).
UPDATE43: 8AM PST 11/29 An Excel Spreadsheet with Climategate 1 and 2 emails ordered chronologically should be helpful in determining that supposedly missing”context”
UPDATE42: 7AM PST 11/29 The CRU crew says: “what we really meant was…”
UPDATE41: 4AM PST 11/29 James Padget schools Steve Zwick – Guide to Defending the Indefensible. Some people just can’t handle Climategate.
UPDATE40: 12AM PST 11/29 Penn State has the same “look the other way” problem with Climategate as they did with the Jerry Sandusky scandal.
UPDATE39: It seems “vexatious” is Dr. Phil Jones favorite new feeling word after summer 2009.
UPDATE38: Severinghaus says Mike Mann didn’t give a straight answer regarding why trees don’t work as thermometers after 1950
UPDATE37: Climate sensitivity can’t be quantified with the current data according to NCAR’s Wigley, with paleo data – even less so.
UPDATE36: Dr. Chris de Freitas responds to the ugly attempt by The Team at getting him fired.
UPDATE 35: “Stroppy” Dr Roger Pielke Sr. shows just how much a “old boys network” the peer review process is.
UPDATE34: More internal dissent of the hockey stick. Mann tries to beat down the concern over “hide the decline” while not letting the dissenting scientist know there was a decline.
UPDATE33: Gobsmacking! Rob Wilson proves McIntyre and McKittrick correct in an email to colleagues at CRU, showing that when random noise time series are fed into Mike Mann’s procedure, it makes “hockey sticks”. The confirmation that M&M is right never leaves the walls of CRU.
UPDATE32: 9:30PM PST 11/27 BREAKING – Canada to pull out of Kyoto protocol. Another Climategate fallout ?
UPDATE31: 4:30PM PST 11/27 BOMBSHELL An absolutely disgusting string of communications that shows the tribal attempt at getting an editor of a journal fired on made up issues – all because he allowed a publication that didn’t agree with “the Team”. This is ugly, disturbing, and wrong on every level.
UPDATE30: 9:45 AM PST 11/27 Newsbytes. Major crack in the warming wall at the UK prime minister’s office. BBC in collusion with Climategate scientists.
UPDATE29: 9AM PST 11/27 The saga of the missing station data at CRU and the “pants on fire” defense of it as told by Willis Eschenbach. Dr. Phil Jones is between a rock and a hard place, quite.
UPDATE 28: 1:30PM PST 11/26 An email shows the UNFCCC considers activists an essential tool saying “…organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process…”
UPDATE27: 7AM PST 11/26 Climategate 2 features prominently in WUWT’s newest feature “Hits and Misses”
UPDATE26: 2:50 PM 11/25 Two separate examples show obstruction and collusion by members of “The Team” to prevent any dissenting science from being properly considered by the NRC in 2007.
UPDATE25: 2PM 11/25 Keith Briffa asks another colleague to delete email to avoid FOIA
UPDATE24: 1:30PM 11/25 New Climategate 1/2 combined search engine here
UPDATE23: 9AM PST 11/25 via bishop-hill, strange infighting:
#4101 – Edward Cook tells Phil Jones that Mike Mann is “serious enemy” and “vindictive”. Mike Mann had criticized his work.
Apparently Mann went “a little crazy” over a paper showing the MWP exists.
Details here
UPDATE22: 11AM PST 11/24 Am unsurprising admission from a BBC environmental reporter to Dr. Phil Jones that they really have no impartiality at all (ho ho) when it comes to climate issues.
UPDATE21: 9:50AM PST 11/24 “FOIA2011″ and Climategate – A Chinese-POTUS connection?
UPDATE20: 9:30AM PST 11/24 World renowned climatologist Phil Jones can’t even plot a temperature trend line in Excel. I’ve offered a solution that WUWT readers can help with.
UPDATE19: 9AM PST 11/24 Gail Combs finds some disturbing connections between the Team and The World Bank
UPDATE18: 1:45PM Scott Mandia, aka “Supermandia” wins the award for the silliest climategate rebuttal, ever. It’s like stupid on steroids.
UPDATE17: 12:55PM PST 11/23 Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. has an excellent piece on “Gatekeeping” related to Trenberth and the Pielke-Landsea hurricane paper and the IPCC. You may recall Landsea resigned from the IPCC over this. Pielke says: “The gatekeeping of the IPCC process is abundantly clear, and the shadowy suggestion that they can find out who the reviewers are from another colleague is a bit unsettling as well.” Trenberth looks particularly bad here.
UPDATE16: 11:30AM PST 11/23 Insider scientist at CRU says our “reaction to Mike Mann’s errors was not particularly honest” – story here
UPDATE15: 7:50AM 11/23 Ric Werme found an email from the late John L. Daly to Mike Mann and the team – it is well worth a read here
UPDATE14: 2:45 AM PST 11/23 Willis Eschenbach offers a guest post here explaining how his FOIA requests went astray. Mr. David Palmer was the Freedom of Information Officer for the CRU at the time. In the newly released emails, he expresses his frustration with the whole procedure.
UPDATE13: 12:05AM 11/23 Craig Stone writes:
I have published a searchable database of the emails at http://foia2011.org
All email addresses and phone numbers are automatically redacted. It’s extremely rudimentary right now, but I’ll be refining the functionality and improving the search capabilities and navigation over the course of the next week.
UPDATE 12: 9:30 PM PST We’ve known for some time that Al Gore made up a bunch of claims in his AIT movie that simply weren’t true. Now this revelation in the new email batch shows that in the case of Kilimanjaro’s disappearing snows, even Phil Jones and Dr. Lonnie Thompson don’t believe global warming is the cause, even though Thompson put out a press release nearly a year ago saying just that. Told ya so. Pants on fire and all that. Anything for “the cause” right?
UPDATE11: 4:45PM PST Kevin Trenberth gets all misty eyed and sing-songy at Christmas here
UPDATE10: 4:30PM PST Some thoughts on cracking the big remaining all.7z file here
UPDATE9: 2:25PM PST Josh weighs in with the first satirical cartoon here
UPDATE8: 140PM PST Mike Mann shows his true colors:
email 1680.txt
date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400
from: “Michael E. Mann”..
subject: Re: Something not to pass on
to: Phil Jones
Phil,
I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he’s U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should
consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.
I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.
I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them….
UPDATE7: 1:20 PM PST Phil Jones and Tom Wigley calls another scientist (The former state climatologist of California) a “jerk” for publishing his UHI results.
UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did in Seattle with Thomas Peterson in summer 2007, yes these are 100% real emails, no doubt whatsoever now. More here: Climategate 2.0 – NCDC: “Mr. Watts gave a well reasoned position”
UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.
UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0 emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular! with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.
UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:
When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”
I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.
UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up by Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:
Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.
The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.
UPDATE1: 8:20 AM PST These emails have not been verified yet, and this story was posted by one of my moderating staff while I was asleep. Until such time they are verified, tread lightly because without knowing what is behind the rest of the zip file, for all we know it’s a bunch of recipes and collection of lorem ipsum text files. I’m working to authenticate these now and will report when I know more – Anthony Watts
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Early this morning, history repeated itself. FOIA.org has produced an enormous zip file of 5,000 additional emails similar to those released two years ago in November 2009 and coined Climategate. There are almost 1/4 million additional emails locked behind a password, which the organization does not plan on releasing at this time.
The original link was dropped off in the Hurricane Kenneth thread at about 4 AM Eastern. It is still there.
Some initial snippets floating around the blogosphere:
<3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year
“reconstruction”.
<3115> Mann: By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year
reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that
reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.
<3940> Mann: They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic
example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted
upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a
bit.
<0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s
doing, but its not helping the cause
<2440> Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the
process
<2094> Briffa: UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC
task.
JeffId has some initial reaction
From the ReadMe file:
/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///
“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”
“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”
“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.
“Poverty is a death sentence.”
“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize
greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”
Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on
hiding the decline.
This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few
remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.
The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning
to publicly release the passphrase.
We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such
as…
==============================================================
Here’s one about UHI that is convincing:
cc: liqx@cma.xxx
date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:37 +0800
from: =?gb2312?B?JUQ1JUM1JUMwJUYyJUMzJUY0IA==?= <limmy@xxx>
subject: Re:Re: thank you
to: p.jones@xxx
Dear Phil,
Again I find that the emails from my CMA mail boxes can not get to you.
From attaches please find the data of 42 urban stations and 42 rural stations (by your
list) and a reference of homogenization of the data. we have tested and adjusted the abrupt
discontinuities of the data during 1951-2001, but the following years (2002-2004) has only
been quality controled and added to the end of the series, but we found the relocation
during these 3 years have minor effects on the whole series in most of the stations.
I partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat
island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s. But I think
different methods, data, and selection of the urban and rural stations would be the most
important causes of this. So I think it is high time to give some new studies and graw some
conclusion in this topic. I hope we can make some new achives on this both on global scale
and in China.
Best
Qingxiang
—– Original Message —–
From: “Phil Jones” < p.jones@xxxx >
To: “Rean Guoyoo” < guoyoo@xxxx >
Cc: “%D5%C5%C0%F2%C3%F4” < limmy@xxx>, < liqx@cma.xxx >
Sent: 2007-09-24 16:25:59 +0800
Subject: Re: thank you
Dear Guoyu,
I think I emailed you from America last week. I am away again next week,
but here this week.
I do think that understanding urban influences are important. I will
wait for Dr Li Qingxiang to send some data, but there is no rush, as I am
quite busy the next few weeks.
Best Regards
Phil
At 00:59 20/09/2007, you wrote:
The following message was returned back when I sent via cma site. I send it again via
this site. I also forwarded this message to Dr, Li Qingxiang.
Regards,
Guoyu
Dear Phil,
Thank you for your message of Sept 11, 2007. I have just been back from the US. Sorry
for the delayed response.
I noted the discussion on blog sites. This is indeed a big issue in the studies of
climate change.
In the past years, we did some analyses of the urban warming effect on surface air
temperature trends in China, and we found the effect is pretty big in the areas we
analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. I think there
might be at least three reasons for the difference: (1) the areas chosen in the analyses
are different; (2) the time periods analyzed are obviously varied, and the aft-1990
period is seeing a more rapid warming in most areas of China; (3) the rural stations
used for the analyses are different, and we used some stations which we think could be
more representative for the baseline change.
We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent
our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.
It is my opinion that we need to re-assess the urbanization effect on surface air
temperature records for at least some regions of the continents. I am glad that you are
going to redo it using the updated dataset. I expect you to obtain the new outcome.
As for the dataset, I believe that Dr. Li Qingxiang could give you a hand. He and his
group conducted a lot work of detection and adjustment of the inhomogeneities in the
past years, and the adjusted and the raw datasets are all stored and managed in his
center. The datasets we used are also from his center.
I’d be happy to discuss some issues with you late, but I would not necessarily be as a
co-author because my contribution would be rather minor.
Best regards,
Guoyu
NCC, Beijing
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This question is not framed correctly. It should be phrased:
This makes the phrase predictive and therefore falsifiable. Now we need to know, whether it is skillful or not. GK
In this regard I’m happy to assist the WUWT’s conspiracy-hunters: Unilever Ventures is a major investor in Voltea Technologies, whose corporate objective is to “help people and businesses access clean, potable water while reducing environmental impact.”
Given that Unilever/Voltea have (1) solid understanding of math, science, and technology, and (2) keen appreciation of the business opportunities associated to the accelerating reality of AGW … well … its plain good business for Unilever’s businesses to support the Tyndall Centre’s science.
Voltea’s web site is hightly recommended: the story of a good, solid, job-creating venture.
Henry@barry
there was a great seaman called willem barentz who was sure in the 16th century that there was a way up north to the other side of the world.
do you think he would have risked his life (and he lost it !) unless he was sure from his “history” lessons that indeed there was a way?
I’ve been in arctic Norway not so long ago
it is teeming with life everywhere, the water is just coming from everywhere.
So I ask you:
what is wrong with more warming,
even if man did cause it, which they don’t,
as my tables will clearly tell you/
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
I’m busy with the blue area in China, and guess what I am finding?
crosspatch said: “I wonder why 0009.txt is missing.”
You comment intrigued me enough to see what others were not there. There are many missing files. 56 numbers are absent. 57 if you include the chance of there ever being 0000.txt. All within the first 200 txt files.
No idea whether it is significant or some kind of clue or joke or just an artifact of deciding to delete some emails they didn’t want to publish.
How is this a story of a job-creating venture??
Membrane capacitive deionization is really only efficient for desalinating brackish water (1,000-5,000 ppm TDS). It’s also not very effective / efficient at removing enough salt to make the water completely potable since it’s not efficient at removing salts to the point of having the water considered potable.
I don’t see any evidence that this company has created anything other than researchers. This is evidenced by the fact that they only appear to be half-heartedly searching for a part-time sales person.
A real physicist would know that a not all technologies can be successfully commercialized by cost effectively addressing real world applications.
Another Gareth says on November 27, 2011 at 10:25 am
If you obtain embarrassing photographs (of any kind) of politicians or powerful figures, and you release them in an encrypted form but withhold the key, at what point is this legally considered blackmail?
Of course, if the targets decide not to pursue legal remedy, there is no problem. Given, however, that some of the possible targets have access to vast resources, one can imagine other remedies.
A physicist says:
November 27, 2011 at 9:00 am
Myrrh says: Looking for funding Tyndall Centre:
“(emails): I have talked with Tim O’Riordan and others here today and Tim has a wealth of contacts he is prepared to help with … someone high-up in Unilever whose name escapes me.”
In this regard I’m happy to assist the WUWT’s conspiracy-hunters: Unilever Ventures is a major investor in Voltea Technologies, whose corporate objective is to “help people and businesses access clean, potable water while reducing environmental impact.”
Given that Unilever/Voltea have (1) solid understanding of math, science, and technology, and (2) keen appreciation of the business opportunities associated to the accelerating reality of AGW … well … its plain good business for Unilever’s businesses to support the Tyndall Centre’s science.
Yes, Unilever presumably thinks Voltea is a good investment. But Unilever invests in a whole lot of things, and staying in business is its rightful job. That’s one reason why Unilever invests in a whole lot of things. At which point, however, Unilever’s approach is somewhat different from Jeffery Immelt’s extreme cozy-up approach at GE as to its, er, “emphasis”, which perhaps makes for the radical difference in the performance of each respective stock?
Unilever is near its 10 yr. high, while GE is down about 62% from its 10 yr. high, perhaps having bet a little too much on manufacturing Windmill turbines, but wisely moving its imaging division to China, of course as per Obama’s enlightened policies.
At any rate, reasoning from a particular company, Voltea, to a general one, Unilever, then even further on to a separate particular business, Tyndall, is a bit fraught with fallacy, A physicist. In other words, you FAIL once again.
Or are you investing in Tyndall and genuine fake crusty old Sea Salt “from the Arctic!”?
Anent the comment by crosspatch (“I wonder why 0009.txt is missing”), at 10:25 AM on 27 November we read Another Gareth writing:
Or, of course, that those “56 numbers…57 if you include the chance of there ever being 0000.txt” are packed into the encrypted all.7z portion of the FOIA2011.zip archive.
crosspatch‘s “0009.txt” file may well be among the C.R.U. correspondents’ machinations which the FOIA people don’t want to publish yet.
The more likely premise is one of giving the AGW scoundrels enough rope with which to hang themselves.
At 11:05 AM on 27 November, Richard Sharpe asks:
Why, at the moment when those “politicians or powerful figures” are solicited for cash payment or other arguably valuable consideration, of course. No such solicitation, no “blackmail.”
Merely waiting until the “politicians or powerful figures” do something really stupid and then lifting the lid on those “embarrassing photographs” to screw ’em isn’t “blackmail” of any kind.
It’s merely the optimal exploitation of tactical opportunity against an enemy.
We’re not talking criminal code here, Mr. Sharpe, but rather the laws of war.
Saw this tool to search the Climategate 1.0 and 2.0 emails on Morano’s website.Thought it might be helpful to the readers although I haven’t tried it yet.
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/11/hot-new-search-tool-for-climategate-i-and-ii-combined/
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php
Wobble, your interest in AGW-related technologies is commendable! Google Patents will assure you that new desalination-related US patents are being issued about once every 16 hours … and a good overview is provided by the recent Science magazine survey by Elimelech and Phillip titled “The future of seawater desalination: energy, technology, and the environment” (2011). According to my reading of that literature and those patents (separative technologies being a special interest of mine), Volteas’ business plan is reasonably far-sighted and technically sound.
The larger point is that nowadays no business CEO and no business investor ignores the accelerating reality of AGW, the business implications of that acceleration, or the foundations in math, science and engineering of our appreciation of that reality.
That’s the practical reason why CEOs think its far smarter to be talking with the CRU scientists than speaking against them.
A physicist (surely, he/she is no such animal) makes a proof by assertion:
Can you provide us with links to those CEOs who think it is smarter to be talking with the so-called CRU scientists.
A physicist says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:59 am
“The larger point is that nowadays no business CEO and no business investor ignores the accelerating reality of
AGWGovernment Money and Power, the business implications of that acceleration, or the foundations inmath, science and engineeringa massive Climate Science Propaganda Operation of our appreciation of that genuine fake perception is reality!, er, reality.”Fixed and another FAIL for you, A physicist. But then the Head Start Model for Social Justice never was much on edjumacation and actually judging reality…oops, then again, there’s certainly no need for me to tell that to A
physicistClimate Scientist like you!Myrrh’s post was my starting point, Richard.
As a follow-on, one concrete suggestion is to trace-back the corporate threads leading to the J Craig Venter Institute’s facility named “JCVI La Jolla: Sustainable Laboratory Facility” (Google it) — it’s a fascinating saga, and needless to say, Craig Venter himself has show a considerable talent for turning fundamental science into prosperous enterprises.
On the other hand, there’s no such thing as “transparency” when it comes to business plans, yah know (Venter’s enterprises are far more transparent than most). That’s why a concrete suggestion is to Google-search the patent literature for keywords relating to climate change (start with “climate change” itself == 2,730 hits). Patents are neither easy to write not cheap to file; the patent literature thus reflects a hard-nosed appreciation by CEOs that AGW is real, and serious … and therefore, a tremendous global business opportunity.
The Hokey Schtick:
“Best to ignore Woijcek. All he seems to want to do is deflect us into
>responding.”
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
Can’t have have that.. 🙂 Here’s the gist of Wojick on Broecker:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=1353.txt&search=Bank
OK… FOIA file link is now inactive.
“server not found”
anyone got a good link?
Well, your reading of that literature and those patents are apparently worthless. This technology has been tested extensively in the recent past – it doesn’t matter what you think based on reading patents.
Many business CEO’s and inventors are receiving funding for AGW related activities/products merely because investors aren’t smart enough to know the difference. The reality is that these products won’t be commercially viable and the company’s will eventually fail. Beacon and Solyndra are just the tip of the iceberg.
CEO’s can be just as stupid as CRU scientists.
A physicist says:
November 27, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Patents are neither easy to write nor cheap to file; the patent literature thus reflects a hard-nosed appreciation by CEOs that AGW is real, and serious … and therefore, a tremendous global business opportunity.
Everybody on this website knows that an excessive amount of capital is being wasted due to unwarranted global warming concerns.
No real business opportunity exists – unless you’re like most alarmists and believe that losing 100% of institutions’ and taxpayers’ money can be considered a “business opportunity.”
wobble says:
November 27, 2011 at 1:44 pm
My guess would be that “a (fake) physicist” stands to benefit greatly from an imaginary climate crisis. Correct me if I am wrong. Be honest.
I want to share something I came across in the “documents” file of the FOIA2011 release. (simply titled africa.doc)
This is a draft document for a special IPCC report titled “The Regional Impacts of Climate Change” and it focuses on Africa.
Here is a section cut n pasted from the above link..
Anyone reading the above would come away with a conclusion that we have a comprehensive description of the African climate, and that several notable experts agree.
However, from the FOIA2011 documents file, we get a glimpse into the ‘editing’ that takes place.
Below is a long paragraph, written by the contributing authors, but deleted by an editor. (my bolding)
Anyone reading the above would come away with a conclusion that we just don’t have enough knowledge about the African Climate.
Who would change such an important message of a special IPCC report?
The editor of the above was one Richard H Moss, who deleted the above paragraph on 9/7/1997 at 10:32pm
Who is Richard H Moss? a google of his name reveals the following ugly truth.
About Richard Moss: (boldings mine)
So here we have a WWF activist, working for the “Gold Standard of Climate science”; the IPCC, who is supposed to “ensures that the best science and information is used” but in fact deletes inconvenient facts that might water down “The Message” that this activist wishes to promote.
I wonder, as some of you may, how would it be if “activists” working for the fossil fuel industry had had of infiltrated the IPCC and had written/edited much of its reports?
Enough spectating…
http://guscost.com/2011/11/27/celebrity-science/
At 2:54 PM on 27 November, guscost writes:
…and provides a link to his Web page entry titled “Celebrity Science,” in which we find a quotation drawn from Michael Crichton’s 2003 Caltech Michelin Lecture “Aliens Cause Global Warming.”
Having drawn on that source myself repeatedly – with specific reference to Dr. Crichton’s discussion of puerperal sepsis – and having been received with dead-from-the-neck-up warmista dismissal of Dr. Crichton as merely a “novelist,” I would encourage all reading here (and on Mr. Costa‘s blog) to remember that Michael Crichton was a physician, though he apparently found a better way to get himself a living than by way of the practice of medicine.
I’d sure as hell rather deal with publishers and book critics than with HMO’s and HCFA (now “CMS”) myself.
Lessons from our History of Medicine courses in the first year of med school about the failures of “the consensus” in matters such as childbed fever and (more recently) the role of H. pylori in the pathogenesis of peptic ulcers tend reliably to arm those of us in the sawbones racket with a hellacious suspicion of “everybody says” conventional wisdom unexamined and unbacked by scrupulous and methodologically sound objective examination of the facts.
Over the past decade and more, we’ve even gone so far as to develop and support evidence-based medicine (EBM) and patient-oriented evidence that matters (POEM) approaches to diagnosis and treatment.
I don’t know any professional colleagues of mine who will admit to having been suckered by this “man-made global warming” bullpuckey.
Nice comments, Mr. Cost, especially since your statement to the effect that you’re “slightly limiting [your] options for, ahem, ‘graduate education’ by taking such a confrontational tone” implies that you’re an undergraduate right now, and therefore at the mercy of the left-“Liberal” professoriate.
It might be worthwhile reviewing last January’s whitewash of Michael Mann. With this new email dump it appears that he lied to the committees. Mann was asked:
The first three questions were dismissed out of hand by the first committee. No opposing witness was even allowed to be present, much less comment for the record.
The 4th question was referred to another “faculty peer” committee, which duly whitewashed it. A scientific skeptic was questioned by the committee; Prof Richard Lindzen. When Dr Lindzen was informed by the committee that the first three allegations against Dr. Mann were dismissed at the inquiry stage of the process, Dr. Lindzen’s verbatim response was: “It’s thoroughly amazing. I mean, these are issues that he explicitly stated in the emails. I’m wondering what’s going on?”
The committee asked Dr Lindzen what the standard accepted practice was for sharing information. Dr. Lindzen stated, “With respect to sharing data, the general practice is to have it available.” Dr Lindzen said that if someone asked for his code and data it was his practice to provide it. Dr. Lindzen was asked whether he would have issues with people running into compatibility issues or compilation issues. He responded by saying that even if people “screw it up” or if you have reservations about sharing codes, “If somebody asks you how did you get this, you really should let them know.” Dr. Lindzen stated that prior to publication, scientists may have a variety of reasons to keep things confidential, but “after publication there’s an obligation to explain exactly how you got them, especially if they’re controversial.”
Mann testified that he had never falsified any data, nor had he had ever manipulated data to serve a given predetermined outcome, nor had he ever used inappropriate influence in reviewing papers by other scientists who disagreed with the conclusions of his science, nor had he ever deleted emails at the behest of any other scientist, specifically including Dr. Phil Jones, nor had he ever withheld data with the intention of obstructing science. Mann stated that he never engaged in activities or behaviors that were inconsistent with accepted academic practices.
Despite Prof Richard Lindzen’s rebuttal statement of accepted academic practices, the committee unanimously exonerated Mann. No opposing party had the opportunity to question Mann during the sham investigation. The committee report highlighted in yellow that Mann’s “…level of success in proposing research, and obtaining funding to conduct it clearly places Dr. Mann among the most respected scientists in his field. Such success would not have been possible had he not met or exceeded the highest standards of his profession for proposing research.”
What does obtaining funding have to do with an investigation into scientific misconduct?
Mann’s recent coup of getting a $1.8 million grant to study mosquitoes [among many millions in his other grants] is of course the reason every university and affiliate bends over backward to “exonerate” Mann: he brings in the payola. Regular folks might wonder why a biologist or an epidemiologist wasn’t awarded a grant to study mosquitos. The answer is that it shows what can happen when someone advances the climate alarmist narrative.
With these new emails it is clear that Michael Mann lied to the inquiry and investigation committees. The only way to get the truth is with an adversarial setting with both parties having the right to call and cross examine witnesses under oath. Mann’s ‘exonerations’ were simply official coverups.
Lol … Tucci78, just for the record, ain’t Craig Venter a pretty darn prominent MD/PhD who’s one of those “suckers”? … 😉 😉 😉
Hmmm … Venter’s a physician, a scientist, *and* a businessman … heck, those stupid CEO’s at ExxonMobil just invested $600M in Venter’s carbon-neutral energy startup Synthetic Genomics.
The point being that perhaps folks shouldn’t take pronouncements like Tucci78’s too seriously … unless they want to miss some fabulous enterprise opportunities. … 😉 😉 😉
By the way, Venter’s autobiography A Life Decoded is recommended reading for anyone who wants to learn more about how the intersection of medicine, science, business, and technology really works. That intersection is one lively place!
barry says:
November 26, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Solomon Green @ur momisugly here
“You describe the output of paleoclimate as if the scientists do no testing of the data, and offer no caveats with their findings. You also seem to imagine that millennial reconstructions have all included the latewood proxies. What about time series derived purely from boreholes, or other proxies, or that didn’t include the MXD data?
Millennial reconstructions are built from a range of data using different methods. Some studies have more or less data overlap, some have none. The preponderance of studies, even if you throw out all the papers Mann was involved with, tends to corroborate the MBH reconstructions. With a small number of exceptions, most papers agree that the NH MWP was probably as warm as the 20th century NH, but likely not as warm as the last decade/s of the 20th century, and that the LIA was pretty cold.”
The clearest example is “hiding the decline.” To this day, no one has done the empirical research necessary to explain why the tree rings declined in size after 1960. That empirical research must yield reasonably well confirmed physical hypotheses that can be used to explain and predict changes in tree ring growth caused by environmental changes over periods of at least a millenium (because that is the time period that Mikey used). The same must be done for all specialties within paleoclimatology. It has not been done. Not one of these people has the instincts of a genuine scientist or an understanding of scientific method, as Professor Daly explained to them in emails that are now available in Climategate 2.
As regards the preponderance of studies, any size collection of data series that has no empirical grounding whatsoever is just as worthless as each of the series taken individually. The empirical work is what must be done.