A link to where to download the new FOIA2011.zip file is posted below the fold – This will be a top post for a few days -NEW STORIES APPEAR BELOW THIS ONE -I’ve also reversed the order of the updates to be newest at top for better visibility – Anthony
UPDATE50: 1:15 PM PST 11/30 The genesis of RealClimate.org seems to have been found. Surprisingly, the BBC’s Roger Harrabin seems to have been involved in the genesis meeting.
UPDATE49: 10:00 AM PST 11/30 While not email related, just as Climategate breaks David Suzuki commits an egregious propaganda error second only to the 10:10 video where kids are blown up for not going along with carbon reduction schemes at school. He’s targeting kids and Santa Claus at Christmas – Santa’s home is melting.
UPDATE48: 9:20 AM PST 11/30 Dr. Phil Jones on the “lack of warming” -he may need a backup plan.
UPDATE47: 9AM PST 11/30 Fudge factor collection in the emails, or is climate modeling a social issue?
UPDATE46: A look at UEA/CRU’s email infrastructure and email systems in general suggests that the “deleted” emails to/from Phil Jones and others at CRU probably still exist and can be subject to FOIA.
UPDATE45: 1:30PM PST 11/29 If there was award for clueless timing, this would win it no contest: Penn State to lecture on “climate ethics”
UPDATE44: 9AM PST 11/29 Mike Mann reprises the role of Captain Queeg in The Cain Mutiny when seeing de Freitas being vindicated by the publisher of Climate Research (see the update in the article).
UPDATE43: 8AM PST 11/29 An Excel Spreadsheet with Climategate 1 and 2 emails ordered chronologically should be helpful in determining that supposedly missing”context”
UPDATE42: 7AM PST 11/29 The CRU crew says: “what we really meant was…”
UPDATE41: 4AM PST 11/29 James Padget schools Steve Zwick – Guide to Defending the Indefensible. Some people just can’t handle Climategate.
UPDATE40: 12AM PST 11/29 Penn State has the same “look the other way” problem with Climategate as they did with the Jerry Sandusky scandal.
UPDATE39: It seems “vexatious” is Dr. Phil Jones favorite new feeling word after summer 2009.
UPDATE38: Severinghaus says Mike Mann didn’t give a straight answer regarding why trees don’t work as thermometers after 1950
UPDATE37: Climate sensitivity can’t be quantified with the current data according to NCAR’s Wigley, with paleo data – even less so.
UPDATE36: Dr. Chris de Freitas responds to the ugly attempt by The Team at getting him fired.
UPDATE 35: “Stroppy” Dr Roger Pielke Sr. shows just how much a “old boys network” the peer review process is.
UPDATE34: More internal dissent of the hockey stick. Mann tries to beat down the concern over “hide the decline” while not letting the dissenting scientist know there was a decline.
UPDATE33: Gobsmacking! Rob Wilson proves McIntyre and McKittrick correct in an email to colleagues at CRU, showing that when random noise time series are fed into Mike Mann’s procedure, it makes “hockey sticks”. The confirmation that M&M is right never leaves the walls of CRU.
UPDATE32: 9:30PM PST 11/27 BREAKING – Canada to pull out of Kyoto protocol. Another Climategate fallout ?
UPDATE31: 4:30PM PST 11/27 BOMBSHELL An absolutely disgusting string of communications that shows the tribal attempt at getting an editor of a journal fired on made up issues – all because he allowed a publication that didn’t agree with “the Team”. This is ugly, disturbing, and wrong on every level.
UPDATE30: 9:45 AM PST 11/27 Newsbytes. Major crack in the warming wall at the UK prime minister’s office. BBC in collusion with Climategate scientists.
UPDATE29: 9AM PST 11/27 The saga of the missing station data at CRU and the “pants on fire” defense of it as told by Willis Eschenbach. Dr. Phil Jones is between a rock and a hard place, quite.
UPDATE 28: 1:30PM PST 11/26 An email shows the UNFCCC considers activists an essential tool saying “…organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process…”
UPDATE27: 7AM PST 11/26 Climategate 2 features prominently in WUWT’s newest feature “Hits and Misses”
UPDATE26: 2:50 PM 11/25 Two separate examples show obstruction and collusion by members of “The Team” to prevent any dissenting science from being properly considered by the NRC in 2007.
UPDATE25: 2PM 11/25 Keith Briffa asks another colleague to delete email to avoid FOIA
UPDATE24: 1:30PM 11/25 New Climategate 1/2 combined search engine here
UPDATE23: 9AM PST 11/25 via bishop-hill, strange infighting:
#4101 – Edward Cook tells Phil Jones that Mike Mann is “serious enemy” and “vindictive”. Mike Mann had criticized his work.
Apparently Mann went “a little crazy” over a paper showing the MWP exists.
Details here
UPDATE22: 11AM PST 11/24 Am unsurprising admission from a BBC environmental reporter to Dr. Phil Jones that they really have no impartiality at all (ho ho) when it comes to climate issues.
UPDATE21: 9:50AM PST 11/24 “FOIA2011″ and Climategate – A Chinese-POTUS connection?
UPDATE20: 9:30AM PST 11/24 World renowned climatologist Phil Jones can’t even plot a temperature trend line in Excel. I’ve offered a solution that WUWT readers can help with.
UPDATE19: 9AM PST 11/24 Gail Combs finds some disturbing connections between the Team and The World Bank
UPDATE18: 1:45PM Scott Mandia, aka “Supermandia” wins the award for the silliest climategate rebuttal, ever. It’s like stupid on steroids.
UPDATE17: 12:55PM PST 11/23 Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. has an excellent piece on “Gatekeeping” related to Trenberth and the Pielke-Landsea hurricane paper and the IPCC. You may recall Landsea resigned from the IPCC over this. Pielke says: “The gatekeeping of the IPCC process is abundantly clear, and the shadowy suggestion that they can find out who the reviewers are from another colleague is a bit unsettling as well.” Trenberth looks particularly bad here.
UPDATE16: 11:30AM PST 11/23 Insider scientist at CRU says our “reaction to Mike Mann’s errors was not particularly honest” – story here
UPDATE15: 7:50AM 11/23 Ric Werme found an email from the late John L. Daly to Mike Mann and the team – it is well worth a read here
UPDATE14: 2:45 AM PST 11/23 Willis Eschenbach offers a guest post here explaining how his FOIA requests went astray. Mr. David Palmer was the Freedom of Information Officer for the CRU at the time. In the newly released emails, he expresses his frustration with the whole procedure.
UPDATE13: 12:05AM 11/23 Craig Stone writes:
I have published a searchable database of the emails at http://foia2011.org
All email addresses and phone numbers are automatically redacted. It’s extremely rudimentary right now, but I’ll be refining the functionality and improving the search capabilities and navigation over the course of the next week.
UPDATE 12: 9:30 PM PST We’ve known for some time that Al Gore made up a bunch of claims in his AIT movie that simply weren’t true. Now this revelation in the new email batch shows that in the case of Kilimanjaro’s disappearing snows, even Phil Jones and Dr. Lonnie Thompson don’t believe global warming is the cause, even though Thompson put out a press release nearly a year ago saying just that. Told ya so. Pants on fire and all that. Anything for “the cause” right?
UPDATE11: 4:45PM PST Kevin Trenberth gets all misty eyed and sing-songy at Christmas here
UPDATE10: 4:30PM PST Some thoughts on cracking the big remaining all.7z file here
UPDATE9: 2:25PM PST Josh weighs in with the first satirical cartoon here
UPDATE8: 140PM PST Mike Mann shows his true colors:
email 1680.txt
date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400
from: “Michael E. Mann”..
subject: Re: Something not to pass on
to: Phil Jones
Phil,
I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he’s U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should
consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.
I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.
I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them….
UPDATE7: 1:20 PM PST Phil Jones and Tom Wigley calls another scientist (The former state climatologist of California) a “jerk” for publishing his UHI results.
UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did in Seattle with Thomas Peterson in summer 2007, yes these are 100% real emails, no doubt whatsoever now. More here: Climategate 2.0 – NCDC: “Mr. Watts gave a well reasoned position”
UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.
UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0 emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular! with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.
UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:
When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”
I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.
UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up by Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:
Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.
The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.
UPDATE1: 8:20 AM PST These emails have not been verified yet, and this story was posted by one of my moderating staff while I was asleep. Until such time they are verified, tread lightly because without knowing what is behind the rest of the zip file, for all we know it’s a bunch of recipes and collection of lorem ipsum text files. I’m working to authenticate these now and will report when I know more – Anthony Watts
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Early this morning, history repeated itself. FOIA.org has produced an enormous zip file of 5,000 additional emails similar to those released two years ago in November 2009 and coined Climategate. There are almost 1/4 million additional emails locked behind a password, which the organization does not plan on releasing at this time.
The original link was dropped off in the Hurricane Kenneth thread at about 4 AM Eastern. It is still there.
Some initial snippets floating around the blogosphere:
<3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year
“reconstruction”.
<3115> Mann: By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year
reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that
reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.
<3940> Mann: They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic
example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted
upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a
bit.
<0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s
doing, but its not helping the cause
<2440> Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the
process
<2094> Briffa: UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC
task.
JeffId has some initial reaction
From the ReadMe file:
/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///
“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”
“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”
“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.
“Poverty is a death sentence.”
“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize
greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”
Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on
hiding the decline.
This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few
remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.
The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning
to publicly release the passphrase.
We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such
as…
==============================================================
Here’s one about UHI that is convincing:
cc: liqx@cma.xxx
date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:37 +0800
from: =?gb2312?B?JUQ1JUM1JUMwJUYyJUMzJUY0IA==?= <limmy@xxx>
subject: Re:Re: thank you
to: p.jones@xxx
Dear Phil,
Again I find that the emails from my CMA mail boxes can not get to you.
From attaches please find the data of 42 urban stations and 42 rural stations (by your
list) and a reference of homogenization of the data. we have tested and adjusted the abrupt
discontinuities of the data during 1951-2001, but the following years (2002-2004) has only
been quality controled and added to the end of the series, but we found the relocation
during these 3 years have minor effects on the whole series in most of the stations.
I partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat
island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s. But I think
different methods, data, and selection of the urban and rural stations would be the most
important causes of this. So I think it is high time to give some new studies and graw some
conclusion in this topic. I hope we can make some new achives on this both on global scale
and in China.
Best
Qingxiang
—– Original Message —–
From: “Phil Jones” < p.jones@xxxx >
To: “Rean Guoyoo” < guoyoo@xxxx >
Cc: “%D5%C5%C0%F2%C3%F4” < limmy@xxx>, < liqx@cma.xxx >
Sent: 2007-09-24 16:25:59 +0800
Subject: Re: thank you
Dear Guoyu,
I think I emailed you from America last week. I am away again next week,
but here this week.
I do think that understanding urban influences are important. I will
wait for Dr Li Qingxiang to send some data, but there is no rush, as I am
quite busy the next few weeks.
Best Regards
Phil
At 00:59 20/09/2007, you wrote:
The following message was returned back when I sent via cma site. I send it again via
this site. I also forwarded this message to Dr, Li Qingxiang.
Regards,
Guoyu
Dear Phil,
Thank you for your message of Sept 11, 2007. I have just been back from the US. Sorry
for the delayed response.
I noted the discussion on blog sites. This is indeed a big issue in the studies of
climate change.
In the past years, we did some analyses of the urban warming effect on surface air
temperature trends in China, and we found the effect is pretty big in the areas we
analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. I think there
might be at least three reasons for the difference: (1) the areas chosen in the analyses
are different; (2) the time periods analyzed are obviously varied, and the aft-1990
period is seeing a more rapid warming in most areas of China; (3) the rural stations
used for the analyses are different, and we used some stations which we think could be
more representative for the baseline change.
We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent
our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.
It is my opinion that we need to re-assess the urbanization effect on surface air
temperature records for at least some regions of the continents. I am glad that you are
going to redo it using the updated dataset. I expect you to obtain the new outcome.
As for the dataset, I believe that Dr. Li Qingxiang could give you a hand. He and his
group conducted a lot work of detection and adjustment of the inhomogeneities in the
past years, and the adjusted and the raw datasets are all stored and managed in his
center. The datasets we used are also from his center.
I’d be happy to discuss some issues with you late, but I would not necessarily be as a
co-author because my contribution would be rather minor.
Best regards,
Guoyu
NCC, Beijing
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I thought somewhere on this thread we should reflect on what has been said by the many people and organizations funding and driving this Global Warming Bus over the cliff, and why:
”A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
Ted Turner,
Founder of CNN and major UN donor
”The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
Jeremy Rifkin,
Greenhouse Crisis Foundation
”Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies,
Author: “Population Bomb”, “Ecoscience”
”My three goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full compliment of species, returning throughout the world.”
David Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First!
”The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.”
Sir James Lovelock,
BBC Interview
”We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
Lead author of many IPCC reports
“Warming fears are the worst scientific scandal in history… When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.”
Dr. Kiminori Itoh, PhD
UN IPCC Japanese Scientist
award-winning environmental physical chemist
”Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.”
Sir John Houghton,
First chairman of the IPCC
”It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
Paul Watson,
Co-founder of Greenpeace
”Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
David Brower,
First Executive Director of the Sierra Club
”We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
”No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest oportinity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
”The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
Emeritus Professor Daniel Botkin
”Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
Maurice Strong,
Founder of the UN Environmental Program
”A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-Development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies,
Author: “Population Bomb”, “Ecoscience”
”If I were reincarnated I would wish to return to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh,
husband of Queen Elizabeth II,
Patron of the Patron of the World Wildlife Foundation
”The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization we have in the US. We have to stop these third World countries right where they are.”
Michael Oppenheimerm
Environmental Defense Fund
”Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
Professor Maurice King
”Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing – are not sustainable.”
Maurice Strong,
Rio Earth Summit
”Complex technology of any sort is an assault on the human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”
Amory Lovins,
Rocky Mountain Institute
”I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. it played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
John Davis,
Editor of Earth First! Journal
( These quotes are now easily cut and pasted to email you can sent to friends who might wonder what all of the fuss is about global warming. Not many realize just how deep it reaches. )
Wayne:
I realize how deep it reaches. I live in the San Francisco Bay area. I hear these same threads parroted by people I know every week or so. It is sickening. It is so patronizing. For example: Who votes these people into power? For the most part minorities. They are dependent on EXACTLY the people who have the most children, exactly the ones they would dispose of, to keep them in office. The irony is that if they succeed, they will be kicked out of office because they will have killed off their own supporters. How the African American or Hispanic populations can support these people absolutely stuns me when these people would want those populations dead as the poor minorities are often the ones with the highest reproductive rates.
The “Progressive movement” is the most evil thing I have ever seen in my lifetime.
“wayne says:
November 26, 2011 at 8:02 pm”
Thanks for the useful Credos, wayne. This time I am saving them – I’m tempted to try to make up my own to add on, but don’t think I could come anywhere close to replicating theirs.
grep -i “potential reviewers” *
Turns up some interesting stuff as they stack the decks for various things.
5133.txt
5133.txt , by the way is in 2005
5133.txt is in response to Tom Wigley Re:
He seems pretty worried that some of his code might be exposed to FOIA.
Nicely compiled wayne. Thanks. 30 long years I have watched this debacle unfold. I long for it to be over and logic and reason rule the day.
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barry says:
November 26, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Being familiar with the wider body of literature, it makes me wonder why people are singling out Mann. Why doesn’t Ray Bradley, who co-authored the hockey stick papers, or Hughes, get as much stick? Is their contribution to the so-called ‘fraud’ somehow unimportant? Why fixate on Mann?
McShane and Wyner explain why they fixate on Mann, then present their findings, which I believe you left a little sparse when you quoted them:
Why now? Why 2 years later? Is the FOIA avoiding clues to his/her identity. Why hold back the emails? Was the 7zip encryption around when the emails was written? Did it take 2 years to crack?
Was the release of this batch delayed by politics in London. The Whistle blower not wanting to damage the recently elected conservative/lib dem coalition government.
It also crosses my mind that he/she may be releasing things relative to the statute of limitations in various countries and that he/she is eager to take down Jones et al but not eager to see them in jail. Any thoughts on that?
Are any of the emails newer than the first batch?
My hunch with the first batch was that the first FOIA file was Jones’s attempt at a deletion and that he had either:
Created it intending to wipe the hard drive with a magnet but never got to that point when the whistle blower got to it.
Or he ordered someone to wipe it and triggered the leak.
At the time of the police announcement it was announced that all the data was from an old drive. I asked “what else was on that drive”? Now we know.
It looks extremely bad for the investigation of the CRU. They clearly did not ask the key question. “Are there, were there any other emails and how incriminating.”
Hmmm, McShane and Wyner sure don’t write very good poetry. I don’t know what happened – just copied it off a notepad paste board, first attempt ever, and it looked ok in the comment box. Could be my computer. It’s been doing a lot of strange things since I got it fixed.
In preparation for the next batch of over 200,000 e-mails, it might be worth setting up some arrangement where volunteers go through a specific nuber of e-mails so that we don’t all spend time looking over the same ones.
I’m sure there would be loads of volunteers within in the WUWT community so that each of us might only have to study carefully, say, a couple of hundred each or so?
wayne @ur momisugly 8.02 pm
Was just posting below and realised your list of quotes, gob smacking!
Jeffrey Sachs
Earth Institute, previously Director and Advisor on UN Millenium Goals (external Advisory Board http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/1006 )
wiki entry: extreme poverty defined as ‘living on less than a $1 dollar a day End of Poverty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs
Sach’s attack on the Murdoch Press The Murdoch Legacy http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/the-murdoch-legacy_b_1003016.html
Yet Murdoch supports the One-LapTop-Child program (education such as reading
& writing as a development goal)!!
Here in Australia, the Weekend Australian magazine published a full page ad by BP and their role in reducing petrol sniffing (volatile substance abuse) in central Australian Aboriginal communities. BP states they received an email 10 years ago requesting help from central Australia, with BP responding and developing + rolling out an alternate fuel, OPAL.
BP’s Chairman, Svanberg is I find today also on the Earth Institute’s external Advisory Board.
.
I had the fortune to work with people that eradicated petrol-sniffing in 1995 (16 years ago) in the top end of Australia and also in the part of the Western Desert (geographically). This was achieved by switching fuels and speaking with the cartage companies. The people that initiated this successful eradication of behaviour (sniffing and consequences) and brought about an ensuing work program suffered the most atrocious behaviour from long standing academics and others in the Indigenous industry. Perhaps may one day this will be written up. The success of the program was denied in much of central Australia, where later Senate Inquiries, coroners investigations, front page media (2004, 2006, 2008, 2009) AND continuing hunger, poverty, neglect, suicides, rapes, and homicides continued. OPAL rollout in 2005 est AUS $78.9 MILLION http://waru.org/organisations/npywc/Opal%20Report%20FINAL%2006_02_23.pdf
(AUS$83.6 MILLION Federal govt report tabled 2010)
Working as a researcher it was often wondered where the actual numbers, length of time inhaling of all drugs and quantity inhaled were obtained from in the earlier reports. There were no observational studies in spite of decades of academic research.
BP state ‘a government report states that OPAL has assisted in reducing the incidence of petrol sniffing by up to 94% in affected communities.
When industry, particularly mining, in Australia, is forced to respond to poor research promulgated by the govt, where many of these govt employees previously did their utmost over years and years to undermine these industries, and neglected to conduct science, many wonder what has become of our nation and her governance. And the children and teenagers who lost their lives in this post modern science world.
I wonder why 0009.txt is missing.
Looking at 0015.txt I find something that I take as on the border of ridiculous:
Now, this all seems pretty silly considering that about 600-and some thousand years ago there was an interglacial that was longer and warmer than this one where we had CO2 levels higher than today. Also, over most of Earth’s history, CO2 levels have been MUCH higher than they are today. We are STILL at near historically low atmospheric CO2 levels even with the amount of CO2 humans are adding to the atmosphere.
We should be able to find out how Earth responded in the past when temperatures and CO2 levels were near today’s levels and even higher. The secret to what is going to happen is probably recorded in the past. The part that seems ridiculous to me is that some scientists are apparently treating today’s conditions as if they are somehow unique in the history of the planet. They aren’t.
If you want to know how things are going to respond, go back to when we had similar conditions and see how they responded then. At the end of the glacial before that longest interglacial, CO2 levels would have been at or below today’s levels. As the interglacial progressed and things warmed up, CO2 would have gone higher than it is today. How did things react? What do we find in the fossil record from that time period? I mean, come ON, this is not a unique set of circumstances here. We (meaning the planet) have been here before.
This email makes it sound like we go into some sort of CO2 runaway situation and we know full well that apparently didn’t happen in the past.
4469:
“Dear All,
The link below has been passed along to me by a colleague (whose name has been expunged
to protect his identity):”
…………………………………….
” Mike,
This seems to be the HTML version of McIntyre’s paper. (I got this
unsolicited from Gene Avrett, Soon & Baliunas’s boss at Harvard.)
———————- Original Message ———————–
From: “Eugene H. Avrett”
To:
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:09:22 -0500
Subject: article in Energy and Environment
—-
Dear ,
You may be interested in the article by McIntyre and McKitrick
just published in Energy and Environment which questions the
validity of the Mann et al. (1998) study that provided the basis
for the claim that 20th century warming is unprecedented.
See [2]http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/trc.html.
Yours sincerely,
Gene Avrett”
Protecting identity? Why?
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crosspatch,
It is being held back by ‘we’ within the 220,000 emails locked up by a passphrase in the 7zip file?
John
Bravo Wayne, great work. This is what is truly at the core of this mess – a pack of despicable eco-zealots, really eco-Nazi’s as proven by their own words. Yes, it is true that not all climate scientologists are also of this Malthusian group, but the point is that they refuse to condemn their outrageous viewpoints and most likely approve of most or all of their insanity.
So we are left with a fusion of the Malthusians (Ehrlich, Strong, etc) with the progressive leftist do-gooder socialist contingent of the Team and their sycophants. It is an unholy cabal.
I highly suggest that any real scientist left in the AGW cause, that does not subscribe to these viewpoints get out now. And if you have the goods on this pack of rats there is an unbelievable opportunity here for you to save the Scientific Method and perhaps Science itself. You will be lauded and even more famous than you could ever dream. But that matters far less than fixing this widespread corruption.
wayne @ur momisugly here
lists a bunch of quotes, and provides no links to the full tract each comes from. It is wonderful to see critical thinkers lining up to demand links for these quotes,and insist that on the full context to understand them.
Why it seems like only yesterday a bunch of snippets was accepted with no investigation of their origins, what the context was, and with people going nuts over whatever was dropped into the comments here.
Thank goodness that sort of mindless cheer-leading is a thing of the past. It makes me believe that people have remembered what it means to be skeptical.
JPeden,
Juckes, Kaufman, D’Arrigo, Moberg, and Huang (who used no tree-ring proxies at all), and their co-authors, separately conclude that the late 20th century was likely warmer than the MWP. None of these papers involved Mann. Why fixate on him? The science is what it is, with Mann or without. What do people hope to achieve here?
McShane and Wyner gave their best estimates on MWP/present as percentage probabilities. They join a long line of authors, including the ones we like to demonise, who explain the shortcomings with the data.
I guess not many people have read the studies, just blog posts about them. There’s a big disconnect between what the studies say, and what many people seem to think they say.
Based on climategate releases 1.0 & 2.0, of the core ‘Team’ of AR4 gamers of WG1, it looks to me that only Tim Osborn remains active in AR5 on WG1.
Is that correct or have I missed other members of the AR4 WG1 core ‘Team’ who remain active in AR5 WG1? I would appreciate some help identifying holdovers of the ‘Team’ from WG1 AR4 to AR5. Thanks in advance.
It is those WG1 AR4 ‘Team’ members that remain active in WG1 AR5 that need to be evaluated wrt IPCC process deviations, gatekeeping and intentional bias.
John
barry says:
November 27, 2011 at 7:05 am
wayne @ur momisugly here
lists a bunch of quotes, and provides no links to the full tract each comes from. It is wonderful to see critical thinkers lining up to demand links for these quotes,and insist that on the full context to understand them.
Oh, we understand them. Some of us have followed some of those people quoted for some time, including also Karl Marx and Barack Obama. Or do we need more time to “understand” the Islamofascists, too?
You just don’t want to recognize your soul bros..
barry is a lemming. Unfortunately, barry, these people you defend will not be going over the cliff with you. Population reduction and “necessarily have to crash the industrialized nations” (paraphrasing) is clearly what they are talking about. Do you not see that they have the resources to not be effected by the crash they want to bring about. They want everyone off “their planet”. It is beyond frightening. You are defending the indefensible.
I know that the lemming thing was staged, but the analogy is great!
barry talks about critical thinking and being skeptical but shows that he is neither.