Climategate 2.0 emails – They're real and they're spectacular!

A link to where to download the new FOIA2011.zip file is posted below the fold – This will be a top post for a few days -NEW STORIES APPEAR BELOW THIS ONE -I’ve also reversed the order of the updates to be newest at top for better visibility – Anthony

UPDATE50: 1:15 PM PST 11/30 The genesis of RealClimate.org seems to have been found. Surprisingly, the BBC’s Roger Harrabin seems to have been involved in the genesis meeting.

UPDATE49: 10:00 AM PST 11/30 While not email related, just as Climategate breaks David Suzuki commits an egregious propaganda error second only to the 10:10 video where kids are blown up for not going along with carbon reduction schemes at school. He’s targeting kids and Santa Claus at Christmas – Santa’s home is melting.

UPDATE48: 9:20 AM PST 11/30 Dr. Phil Jones on the  “lack of warming” -he may need a backup plan.

UPDATE47: 9AM PST 11/30 Fudge factor collection in the emails, or is climate modeling a social issue?

UPDATE46: A look at UEA/CRU’s email infrastructure and email systems in general suggests that the “deleted” emails to/from Phil Jones and others at CRU probably still exist and can be subject to FOIA.

UPDATE45: 1:30PM PST 11/29 If there was award for clueless timing, this would win it no contest: Penn State to lecture on “climate ethics”

UPDATE44: 9AM PST 11/29 Mike Mann reprises the role of Captain Queeg in The Cain Mutiny when seeing de Freitas being vindicated by the publisher of Climate Research (see the update in the article).

UPDATE43: 8AM PST 11/29 An Excel Spreadsheet with Climategate 1 and 2 emails ordered chronologically should be helpful in determining that supposedly missing”context”

UPDATE42:  7AM PST 11/29 The CRU crew says:  “what we really meant was…”

UPDATE41: 4AM PST 11/29 James Padget schools Steve Zwick – Guide to Defending the Indefensible. Some people just can’t handle Climategate.

UPDATE40: 12AM PST 11/29 Penn State has the same “look the other way” problem with Climategate as they did with the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

UPDATE39: It seems “vexatious” is Dr. Phil Jones favorite new feeling word after summer 2009.

UPDATE38: Severinghaus says Mike Mann didn’t give a straight answer regarding why trees don’t work as thermometers after 1950

UPDATE37: Climate sensitivity can’t be quantified with the current data according to NCAR’s Wigley, with paleo data – even less so.

UPDATE36: Dr. Chris de Freitas responds to the ugly attempt by The Team at getting him fired.

UPDATE 35: “Stroppy” Dr Roger Pielke Sr. shows just how much a “old boys network” the peer review process is.

UPDATE34: More internal dissent of the hockey stick. Mann tries to beat down the concern over “hide the decline” while not letting the dissenting scientist know there was a decline.

UPDATE33: Gobsmacking! Rob Wilson proves McIntyre and McKittrick correct in an email to colleagues at CRU, showing that when random noise time series are fed into Mike Mann’s procedure, it makes “hockey sticks”. The confirmation that M&M is right never leaves the walls of CRU.

UPDATE32: 9:30PM PST  11/27 BREAKINGCanada to pull out of Kyoto protocol. Another Climategate fallout ?

UPDATE31: 4:30PM PST 11/27 BOMBSHELL An absolutely disgusting string of communications that shows the tribal attempt at getting an editor of a journal fired on made up issues – all because he allowed a publication that didn’t agree with “the Team”. This is ugly, disturbing, and wrong on every level.

UPDATE30: 9:45 AM PST 11/27 Newsbytes. Major crack in the warming wall at the UK prime minister’s office. BBC in collusion with Climategate scientists.

UPDATE29: 9AM PST 11/27 The saga of the missing station data at CRU and the “pants on fire” defense of it as told by Willis Eschenbach. Dr. Phil Jones is between a rock and a hard place, quite.

UPDATE 28: 1:30PM PST 11/26 An email shows the UNFCCC considers activists an essential tool saying “…organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process…”

UPDATE27: 7AM PST 11/26 Climategate 2 features prominently in WUWT’s newest feature “Hits and Misses

UPDATE26: 2:50 PM 11/25 Two separate examples show obstruction and collusion by members of “The Team” to prevent any dissenting science from being properly considered by the NRC in 2007.

UPDATE25: 2PM 11/25 Keith Briffa asks another colleague to delete email to avoid FOIA

UPDATE24: 1:30PM 11/25 New Climategate 1/2 combined search engine here

UPDATE23: 9AM PST 11/25 via bishop-hill, strange infighting:

#4101 – Edward Cook tells Phil Jones that Mike Mann is “serious enemy” and “vindictive”. Mike Mann had criticized his work.

Apparently Mann went “a little crazy” over a paper showing the MWP exists.

Details here

UPDATE22: 11AM PST 11/24 Am unsurprising admission from a BBC environmental reporter to Dr. Phil Jones that they really have no impartiality at all (ho ho) when it comes to climate issues.

UPDATE21: 9:50AM PST 11/24 “FOIA2011″ and Climategate – A Chinese-POTUS connection?

UPDATE20: 9:30AM PST 11/24 World renowned climatologist Phil Jones can’t even plot a temperature trend line in Excel. I’ve offered a solution that WUWT readers can help with.

UPDATE19: 9AM PST 11/24 Gail Combs finds some disturbing connections between the Team and The World Bank

UPDATE18: 1:45PM Scott Mandia, aka “Supermandia” wins the award for the silliest climategate rebuttal, ever. It’s like stupid on steroids.

UPDATE17: 12:55PM PST 11/23 Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. has an excellent piece on “Gatekeeping” related to Trenberth and the Pielke-Landsea hurricane paper and the IPCC. You may recall Landsea resigned from the IPCC over this. Pielke says: “The gatekeeping of the IPCC process is abundantly clear, and the shadowy suggestion that they can find out who the reviewers are from another colleague is a bit unsettling as well.” Trenberth looks particularly bad here.

UPDATE16: 11:30AM PST 11/23 Insider scientist at CRU says our “reaction to Mike Mann’s errors was not particularly honest” – story here

UPDATE15: 7:50AM 11/23 Ric Werme found an email from the late John L. Daly to Mike Mann and the team – it is well worth a read here

UPDATE14: 2:45 AM PST 11/23 Willis Eschenbach offers a guest post here explaining how his FOIA requests went astray. Mr. David Palmer was the Freedom of Information Officer for the CRU at the time. In the newly released emails, he expresses his frustration with the whole procedure.

UPDATE13: 12:05AM 11/23 Craig Stone writes:

I have published a searchable database of the emails at http://foia2011.org

All email addresses and phone numbers are automatically redacted. It’s extremely rudimentary right now, but I’ll be refining the functionality and improving the search capabilities and navigation over the course of the next week.

UPDATE 12: 9:30 PM PST We’ve known for some time that Al Gore made up a bunch of claims in his AIT movie that simply weren’t true. Now this revelation in the new email batch shows that in the case of Kilimanjaro’s disappearing snows, even Phil Jones and Dr. Lonnie Thompson don’t believe global warming is the cause, even though Thompson put out a press release nearly a year ago saying just that. Told ya so. Pants on fire and all that. Anything for “the cause” right?

UPDATE11: 4:45PM PST Kevin Trenberth gets all misty eyed and sing-songy at Christmas here

UPDATE10: 4:30PM PST Some thoughts on cracking the big remaining all.7z file here

UPDATE9: 2:25PM PST Josh weighs in with the first satirical cartoon here

UPDATE8: 140PM PST Mike Mann shows his true colors:

email 1680.txt

date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400

from: “Michael E. Mann”..

subject: Re: Something not to pass on

to: Phil Jones

Phil,

I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he’s U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should

consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.

I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.

I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them….

UPDATE7: 1:20 PM PST Phil Jones and Tom Wigley calls another scientist (The former state climatologist of California) a “jerk” for publishing his UHI results.

UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did in Seattle with Thomas Peterson in summer 2007, yes these are 100% real emails, no doubt whatsoever now. More here: Climategate 2.0 – NCDC: “Mr. Watts gave a well reasoned position”

UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.

UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0  emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular!  with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.

UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:

When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”

I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.

UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up by Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:

Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.

The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.

UPDATE1: 8:20 AM PST These emails have not been verified yet, and this story was posted by one of my moderating staff while I was asleep. Until such time they are verified, tread lightly because without knowing what is behind the rest of the zip file, for all we know it’s a bunch of recipes and collection of  lorem ipsum text files. I’m working to authenticate these now and will report when I know more – Anthony Watts

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Early this morning, history repeated itself. FOIA.org has produced an enormous zip file of 5,000 additional emails similar to those released two years ago in November 2009 and coined Climategate. There are almost 1/4 million additional emails locked behind a password, which the organization does not plan on releasing at this time.

The original link was dropped off in the Hurricane Kenneth thread at about 4 AM Eastern. It is still there.

Some initial snippets floating around the blogosphere:

<3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year

“reconstruction”.

<3115> Mann:  By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year

reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that

reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.

<3940> Mann:  They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic

example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted

upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a

bit.

<0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s

doing, but its not helping the cause

<2440> Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the

process

<2094> Briffa: UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC

task.

JeffId has some initial reaction

From the ReadMe file:

/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///

“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”

“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”

“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.

“Poverty is a death sentence.”

“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize

greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”

Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on

hiding the decline.

This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few

remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.

The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning

to publicly release the passphrase.

We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such

as…

==============================================================

Here’s one about UHI that is convincing:

cc: liqx@cma.xxx

date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:37 +0800

from: =?gb2312?B?JUQ1JUM1JUMwJUYyJUMzJUY0IA==?= <limmy@xxx>

subject: Re:Re: thank you

to: p.jones@xxx

Dear Phil,

Again I find that the emails from my CMA mail boxes can not get to you.

From attaches please find the data of 42 urban stations and 42 rural stations (by your

list) and a reference of homogenization of the data. we have tested and adjusted the abrupt

discontinuities of the data during 1951-2001, but the following years (2002-2004) has only

been quality controled and added to the end of the series, but we found the relocation

during these 3 years have minor effects on the whole series in most of the stations.

I  partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat

island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s. But I think

different methods, data, and selection of the urban and rural stations would be the most

important causes of this. So I think it is high time to give some new studies and graw some

conclusion in this topic.  I hope we can make some new achives on this both on global scale

and in China.

Best

Qingxiang

—– Original Message —–

From: “Phil Jones” < p.jones@xxxx >

To: “Rean Guoyoo” < guoyoo@xxxx >

Cc: “%D5%C5%C0%F2%C3%F4” < limmy@xxx>, < liqx@cma.xxx >

Sent: 2007-09-24 16:25:59 +0800

Subject: Re: thank you

Dear Guoyu,

I think I emailed you from America last week. I am away again next week,

but here this week.

I do think that understanding urban influences are important.  I will

wait for Dr Li Qingxiang to send some data, but there is no rush, as I am

quite busy the next few weeks.

Best Regards

Phil

At 00:59 20/09/2007, you wrote:

The following message was returned back when I sent via cma site. I send it again via

this site. I also forwarded this message to Dr, Li Qingxiang.

Regards,

Guoyu

Dear Phil,

Thank you for your message of Sept 11, 2007. I have just been back from the US. Sorry

for the delayed response.

I noted the discussion on blog sites. This is indeed a big issue in the studies of

climate change.

In the past years, we did some analyses of the urban warming effect on surface air

temperature trends in China, and we found the effect is pretty big in the areas we

analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. I think there

might be at least three reasons for the difference: (1) the areas chosen in the analyses

are different; (2) the time periods analyzed are obviously varied, and the aft-1990

period is seeing a more rapid warming in most areas of China; (3) the rural stations

used for the analyses are different, and we used some stations which we think could be

more representative for the baseline change.

We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent

our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.

It is my opinion that we need to re-assess the urbanization effect on surface air

temperature records for at least some regions of the continents. I am glad that you are

going to redo it using the updated dataset. I expect you to obtain the new outcome.

As for the dataset, I believe that Dr. Li Qingxiang could give you a hand. He and his

group conducted a lot work of detection and adjustment of the inhomogeneities in the

past years, and the adjusted and the raw datasets are all stored and managed in his

center. The datasets we used are also from his center.

I’d be happy to discuss some issues with you late, but I would not necessarily be as a

co-author because my contribution would be rather minor.

Best regards,

Guoyu

NCC, Beijing

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Prof. Phil Jones

Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 xxxx

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Oliver Cromwell
November 26, 2011 1:50 am

Email 4253 – what do people make of this one – if you read the gist of it, they are discussing setting up an ‘independent’ panel to review Michael Mann’s hockey stick distortion. The last paragraph is particularly damming and gives a good indication as to how they think. Apologies if this email has already been discussed.
“Mike , Ray, Malcolm
We three have been discussing the weeks shenanigans and thought we should start the
wider discussion on the concept and practical aspects of someone (perhaps us – perhaps
not us) doing the “independent” audit of your 98 and/or 99 work. It is clear that the
debate as regards the M and M results will now likely stall , until one or more people
undertake this – but it is unlikely to go away until such time as something is done. ”
“We have no particular axe to grind , but it is almost certain that there will be some
pressure for some such work, and we suspect that DEFRA here will be quizzed by various
bodies for their opinion on this. If so, why not us rather than others ?
It may be that anything we do here would not be seen as “independent” by the skeptics
anyway ( and we would not consider doing it without some appropriate level of
interaction with you lot) – but in the end , what counts, is what is published in the
peer-review literature.”
” To get the discussion going , we wish to ask your opinion(s) on the concept, level of
interaction between us and you guys ( in planning , or also implementation , and
synthesis, writing up?). What about this issue of our perceived independence – do we
give a damn?
Keith, Tim, Phil

Professor Keith Briffa,
Climatic Research Unit
University of East Anglia
Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
Phone: readacted
Fax: redacted”

Oliver Cromwell
November 26, 2011 2:14 am

And another example of how they work together to pressure scientific journals from Email 1051190249:
“PS Re CR, I do not know the best way to handle the specifics of the
editoring. Hans von Storch is partly to blame — he encourages the
publication of crap science ‘in order to stimulate debate’. One approach
is to go direct to the publishers and point out the fact that their
journal is perceived as being a medium for disseminating misinformation
under the guise of refereed work. I use the word ‘perceived’ here, since
whether it is true or not is not what the publishers care about — it is
how the journal is seen by the community that counts.
I think we could get a large group of highly credentialed scientists to
sign such a letter — 50+ people.
Note that I am copying this view only to Mike Hulme and Phil Jones.
Mike’s idea to get editorial board members to resign will probably not
work — must get rid of von Storch too, otherwise holes will eventually
fill up with people like Legates, Balling, Lindzen, Michaels, Singer,
etc. I have heard that the publishers are not happy with von Storch, so
the above approach might remove that hurdle too.”

Oliver Cromwell
November 26, 2011 2:19 am

Email 3791 – more email deletion and how to get round the law.
“date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:49:18 -0000 (GMT)
from: “Tim Osborn”
subject: RE: FW: FOI_08-50 ; EIR_08-01
to: “Jones Philip Prof”
Hi Phil!
re. your email to Dave Palmer [which he copied in his response to you and
cc’d to me, Keith & Michael McGarvie, and which has hence already been
multiply copied within the UEA system, and therefore will probably exist
for a number of months and possibly years, and could be released under FOI
if a request is made for it during that time!]… I assume that you didn’t
delete any emails that David Holland has requested (because that would be
illegal) but that instead his request merely prompted you to do a spring
clean of various other emails that hadn’t been requested, as part of your
regular routine of deleting old emails. If that is what you meant, then
it might be a good idea to clarify your previous email to Dave Palmer, to
avoid it being misunderstood. 🙂
The way things seem to be going, I think it best if we discuss all FOI,
EIR, Data Protection requests in person wherever possible, rather than via
email. It’s such a shame that the skeptics’ vexatious use of this
legislation may prevent us from using such an efficient modern technology
as email, but it seems that if we want to have confidential discussions
then we may need to avoid it.
I shall delete this email and those related to it as part of my regular
routine of deleting old emails!
Cheers
Tim”

Tucci78
November 26, 2011 2:31 am

At 1:50 AM on 26 November, Oliver Cromwell refers to C.R.U. Email 4253, in which is found the acronym “DEFRA.”
I had to look it up, and it appears to be a reference to the UK government’s Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
Again and again and again, we have demonstrations in these e-mails of concerted and coordinated connivance on the part of these malefactors, their purposes never to refine or otherwise improve the accuracy and reliability of their so-called “science” but instead to perpetrate endless suppressio veri, suggestio falsi in the pursuit of their political advocacy.
Why the hell does anybody refer to these practices as “noble cause corruption”? Is there anything “noble” – even in the diseased minds of these Cargo Cult Science witch-doctors – that can be construed as a manifest of good intentions?
The more I read and learn about what’s contained in FOIA2011.zip, the more convinced I am becoming that these weasels bear the same relationship to real climate science that Ernesto “Che” Guevara bore to the profession of medicine.
And from very much the same motivations.

November 26, 2011 3:03 am

Henry@Barry
Barry, you are ducking and diving again.
What is your explanation for the (big) difference in the warming between the NH and the SH?

Andrew
November 26, 2011 4:00 am

It should be made abundantly clear that Prof Muller never was a “Skeptic” re his own video about the hockey stick shows that “we all agree its AGWwarming” and that the data produced by BEST is a rehash of adjusted data so 0 credibility. Also it should be pointed out that with this years and month UHA satellite temps their is no significant warming what so ever. In fcat it may be a negative anomaly this month

November 26, 2011 5:20 am

barry,
You need to pay attention to Mike Jonas’ comment @12:04 am above. Especially the last paragraph. Try to rationalize that, if you can.

November 26, 2011 6:19 am

Another Hide The Decline?
http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0018.txt
>>P.S. Ricardo, here is the Oroko temperature reconstruction.
>>
>>JANUARY-MARCH TEMPERATURES RECONSTRUCTED FROM
>>OROKO SWAMP, NEW ZEALAND SILVER PINE TREE RINGS
>>BE ADVISED THAT THE DATA AFTER 1958 ARE INSTRUMENTAL
>>TEMPERATURES

==============================
Well, that’s one way to boost a temperature model’s R-Squared.

barry
November 26, 2011 6:54 am

Mike,

To stick to the essentials : Michael Mann was and is biased.

Er, no… Raymond Bradley said he was biased. Is Bradley God or something? Is his word law?
We’re discussing the emails, right? Are you meaning to suggest that I should just accept whatever Raymond Bradley says about Michael Mann as being the final, irreducible truth?
I thought we were discussing what could be legitimately gleaned from the latest releases. You’re now talking about something else.
To whit: Bradley said he disagreed with Mann and Jones 2003. You ‘reinterpreted’ that to mean that Bradley thought that Mann’s work in general was shoddy.
You are generalizing about particulars, and drawing way more inference out of the emails than is there. I’m not rambling. I’m taking the time to point out the knowns and unknowns, and challenging your assertions. I guess you choose to characterise this as ‘rambling’ so that you can avoid the points.
As I promised, I replied to your comment on the first quote in the top article, and then I linked the second quote and gave my thoughts on it. I don’t know where you’re going with this, but I’m still willing to take these quotes soberly, one at a time, and see what can be reasonably gleaned.
My impression from the 2009 release was that a false narrative was spun, and that this now informs much of the reading of the latest releases. The “picture” being “built” here is largely a fiction built on snippets, of which the meaning is almost always equivocal, as you alluded to in an earlier post.
A sober assessment would accommodate the ambiguities inherent in these private emails. The giveaway that the “picture” is mainly a mass delusion is that there is not much equivocal about the interpretation.

barry
November 26, 2011 7:18 am

Mike,

You clearly don’t understand what was done in “hide the decline”. The first question you should ask yourself is “When is it ever OK for a scientist to hide something?“. Your answer should be “never” or maybe “never that I can think of“. That should tell you to tread with extreme caution. What was hidden was the inability of temperature proxies to match the instrumental record. The inescapable conclusion was that the proxies were useless.

I know about the divergence issue in the late 20th century WRT maximum latewood density in certain tree-ring proxies. ‘Trick’ and ‘hide’ are jargon, and you are right that one should approach such informal 9non-scientific language cautiously.
A divergence in the latter part of the proxy DOES NOT automatically mean that the rest of the series is useless. It IS a big red flag, and the data series should be tested. The data series follows the instrumental record very well for a significant period before diverging in the second half of the 20th century. Briffa and others devoted entire studies to this phenomenon. The discussion, then, devolves to how ell these issues were addressed. There was no ‘hiding’ going on, as the issue was in the public domain, and the ‘trick’ was as simple as it gets.
On the divergence issue, it is NOT an ‘inescapable conclusion’ that the data is ‘useless’, but that outcome is a strong possibility that must be explored. Most data is imperfect, but that doesn’t mean they are useless. Your comments suggests more about your preferences than your ability to weigh these issues coolly.

David Ball
November 26, 2011 7:25 am

barry, it is not clear who you are trying to convince. Us or yourself?

Richard Sharpe
November 26, 2011 8:00 am

sekuhara says on November 25, 2011 at 6:04 pm

Time to scrap the light bulb ban and carbon tax at last?

Since the light bulb ban was all about corporate profits (as most likely was another ban) this is unlikely to be undone. AGW and environmental concerns were simply used as the vehicle to get the ban in place.

November 26, 2011 8:27 am

Barry,
I’m sure you are an excellent chess player. Unfortunately life is not a chess game.
In life, the King always has the last move.
Lets have some coffee sometime and discuss things.

A physicist
November 26, 2011 8:37 am

David Ball says: Barry, it is not clear who you are trying to convince. Us or yourself?

David, perhaps its neither … perhaps Barry is hoping to elicit skeptical responses that are founded upon thorough review of the data and dispassionate analysis of the science, in service of foresighted societal objectives?
That would be the best kind of skepticism, eh?
Fortunately, there’s nothing stopping you from providing it!  🙂  🙂  🙂
[REPLY: Better, but this thread is about whether the scientists are capable of dispassionate analysis of the science. What constitutes “foresighted societal objectives” is a question of politics, not science. -REP]

Editor
November 26, 2011 9:11 am

Here is an example of Phil Jones trying to avoid a FOIA request, but he apparently struggles with the implementation…:
2577.txt
“date: Thu Sep 25 15:24:48 2008
from: Phil Jones
subject: Re: CONFIDENTIAL: Response
to: “Mitchell, John FB (Chief Scientist)”
John,
I’ve called Jo to say I’m happy with their response.
I’ll also delete this email after I’ve sent it.
We’ve had a request for all our internal UEA emails that have any bearing on the subject, so apologies for brevity.
See you in November!
Cheers
Phil”
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=2577.txt&search=CONFIDENTIAL%3A+Response
I wonder why Phil planned to delete this email. Here is the response from Jo that Phil was happy with:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=5122.txt&search=CONFIDENTIAL%3A+Response
The Daily Mail covered this issue in 2010, i.e.
“Professor John Mitchell, the Met Office’s Director of Climate Science, shared responsibility for the most worrying headline in the 2007 Nobel Prize-winning IPCC report – that the Earth is now hotter than at any time in the past 1,300 years.
And he approved the inclusion in the report of the famous ‘hockey stick’ graph, showing centuries of level or declining temperatures until a steep 20th Century rise.”
“Some of the FOI requests made to them came from the same person who has made requests to the Met Office.
He is David Holland, an electrical engineer familiar with advanced statistics who has written several papers questioning orthodox thinking on global warming.
The Met Office’s first response to Mr Holland was a claim that Prof Mitchell’s records had been ‘deleted’ from its computers.
Later, officials admitted they did exist after all, but could not be disclosed because they were ‘personal’, and had nothing to do with the professor’s Met Office job.
Finally, they conceded that this too was misleading because Prof Mitchell had been paid by the Met Office for his IPCC work and had received Government expenses to travel to IPCC meetings.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249035/How-Met-Office-blocked-questions-mans-role-hockey-stick-climate-row.html
Why all the cloak and dagger stuff if this is all settled science…?

November 26, 2011 9:12 am

For LINUX users and if anyone is interested, I wrote a simple bash script to find phrases in the emails and then display those emails. Save the script as search-mails.sh.
#!/bin/bash
# Usage: ./search-mails.sh “search text”
# searches for “search text” in text files in current directory
# the search text does not need to be surrounded by quotes
# author patrioticduo November 2011
echo “Searching for ‘$*'”
FindFiles=$(find $(pwd) -type f -iname “*.txt” | sort)
for EachEntry in $FindFiles # loop over each file
do
#echo “Testing “$EachEntry
grep “$*” $EachEntry
if [ $? == 0 ] ; then
echo “Found in ” $EachEntry
more $EachEntry
echo “Press Enter to continue”
read
echo “Searching…”
fi
done
exit 0

Richard Sharpe
November 26, 2011 9:22 am

Hmmm, patrioticduo, you do know that grep -l will display the name of a file that a phrase appears in, so:

find ${pwd} -name \*.txt -exec grep -l “$1” {} \;
or something like that will do what you want.

Richard Sharpe
November 26, 2011 9:34 am

And then I would pipe the results into sort …
Play around with a pipeline. It might do all you want … and certainly will be faster than find followed by a bash loop and might avoid problems with the variable FindFiles causing problems if there are too many entries and it exceeds bash’s limit. Although this is probably not a problem, good practice is to enclose $FindFiles in quotes (rabbit ears) to avoid problems with spaces in names as well.

TheGoodLocust
November 26, 2011 9:40 am

“Oliver Cromwell says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:19 am
Email 3791 ”
That one is certainly a keeper for multiple reasons.

Alix James
Reply to  TheGoodLocust
November 28, 2011 7:59 am

Yes, you can almost hear the “nudge nudge, wink wink”: “I assume that you didn’t delete any emails that David Holland has requested (because that would be illegal) but that instead his request merely prompted you to do a spring clean”…
Or, as was said on the American comedy “WKRP”, when someone wanted to start a rumour, they would tell the gossipy newsman Les Nesman: “Don’t tell anyone, Les. And don’t tell anyone REAL SOON…”.
In other words, “don’t delete any emails, that would be wrong. But you might want to start deleting emails as, you know, part of a long standing policy to clean your mail box…”

November 26, 2011 9:45 am

I wanted to be able to provide the user with some friendly options in the for loop to make it easier to page through the mails that had certain text in them. But mostly, I am no bash expert and certainly thank you for helping me to improve. 🙂

David Ball
November 26, 2011 9:49 am

A physicist says:
November 26, 2011 at 8:37 am
“David, perhaps its neither … perhaps Barry is hoping to elicit skeptical responses that are founded upon thorough review of the data and dispassionate analysis of the science, in service of foresighted societal objectives?
That would be the best kind of skepticism, eh?”
I agree with you completely, but the emails clearly show the opposite of this.

David Ball
November 26, 2011 9:51 am

😉 🙂 🙂

November 26, 2011 10:03 am

A Physicist:
founded upon thorough review of the data and dispassionate analysis of the science, in service of foresighted societal objectives?
=================================
Oh dear !!!! Conclusion reached, thorough review of the data to follow and “dispassionately’ reach said conclusion.
You must be A Crap Physicist.

JPeden
November 26, 2011 10:10 am

barry says:
November 26, 2011 at 12:16 am
JPeden,
“They all use “climate change” to mean “CO2 = CAGW” and, hence, that there has been no climate change and can never be any climate change without CO2 = CAGW. Therefore, they all agree with all of what this absurd idea means about paleoclimate.”
Absolute tosh. Bunkum. Rubbish, JPeden. Not only do all these scientists acknowledge past climate change, they devote whole papers to investigating them and their possible causes, both natural and anthropogenic (land use).

oopsie, barry, I did not say the noble Climate Scientists are consistent in their use of the term “climate change”. In fact their inconsistency of word use, as per their differing definitions of the same word as needed, is instead a feature of Climate “science’s” Propaganda Op. in regard to what is its very well known tactic of playing “word games”, here used by Climate “science” toward their cynically manipulative “perception is reality” goal – which likewise contradicts the practice of real science, simply by inviting the “perceiver” to choose the “reality” as per usual in the functioning of Climate “science’s” method.
Or are the Climate Scientists who use the term “climate change” as they themselves have chosen to define it by their above use, while at the same time also appearing to admit of natural processes producing ~ “climate variability”, “climate change deniers“, too?
Well, barry, absent Climate “science’s” practice of real science, you and Mann once again invite a pliant audience to “take your pick”:
…take the introduction to Michael Mann’s 2007 paper,
Climate Over the Past Two Millennia
“Earth’s climate exhibits variations on all resolvable timescales, from the interannual (year to year) to the geological (millions of years and longer). This variability is known to result from both internal and external factors, the latter associated with both natural and anthropogenic influences…It is generally believed that modern (e.g., nineteenth to twenty-first century) climate change is due primarily to anthropogenic factors…On longer timescales, a variety of natural processes, both internal (e.g., intrinsic modes of variability in the atmosphere and ocean) and external (e.g., solar and volcanic radiative forcing changes and, to a lesser extent, Earth-orbital changes) are believed to have been important over the past one to two millennia.”

Ok, the natural processes are “important” on longer timescales = “two millennia”? But given his own 1000 yr. Hockey Stick and his failure to admit its inadequacies, is Mann admitting the existence of natural factors quite apart from CO2 = CAGW which produce climate change, or is he even more denying the determinative effect of these factors by now claiming that the “modern” warming is actually “unprecedented” within the past two! millennia? And thereby denying the existence of even more naturally caused climatic events within our natural climate! And who knows how far back Mann will eventually extend these “longer timescales”?
But re-enter the principles of real science, barry, and the failure of Climate “science” to have produced even one successful relevant prediction yet based upon its CO2 = CAGW “hypotheses” makes your and Mann’s imagination simply irrelevant.

November 26, 2011 10:43 am

crosspatch says November 25, 2011 at 11:51 am

It is a sort of meta-government making global policy and using a fear of climate disaster as their mechanism for getting the people to fall in line.
So completely sick.

There is a label for a pattern similar to that: Münchausen syndrome by proxy

Münchausen syndrome by proxy (MSbP) is … [where] care-givers deliberately exaggerate, fabricate, and/or induce physical, psychological, behavioral, and/or mental health problems in others … by either fabricating symptoms or actually causing harm … , whereby convincing not only the child but others, including medical providers, that their child is sick.

Many experts feel this form of ill treatment is driven not only by the attention that the child and parent/caregiver receive because of the diagnostic tests that must be run, but also by the satisfaction of being able to deceive individuals who the abuser feels are more important or powerful than he or she.

References
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