Climategate 2.0 emails – They're real and they're spectacular!

A link to where to download the new FOIA2011.zip file is posted below the fold – This will be a top post for a few days -NEW STORIES APPEAR BELOW THIS ONE -I’ve also reversed the order of the updates to be newest at top for better visibility – Anthony

UPDATE50: 1:15 PM PST 11/30 The genesis of RealClimate.org seems to have been found. Surprisingly, the BBC’s Roger Harrabin seems to have been involved in the genesis meeting.

UPDATE49: 10:00 AM PST 11/30 While not email related, just as Climategate breaks David Suzuki commits an egregious propaganda error second only to the 10:10 video where kids are blown up for not going along with carbon reduction schemes at school. He’s targeting kids and Santa Claus at Christmas – Santa’s home is melting.

UPDATE48: 9:20 AM PST 11/30 Dr. Phil Jones on the  “lack of warming” -he may need a backup plan.

UPDATE47: 9AM PST 11/30 Fudge factor collection in the emails, or is climate modeling a social issue?

UPDATE46: A look at UEA/CRU’s email infrastructure and email systems in general suggests that the “deleted” emails to/from Phil Jones and others at CRU probably still exist and can be subject to FOIA.

UPDATE45: 1:30PM PST 11/29 If there was award for clueless timing, this would win it no contest: Penn State to lecture on “climate ethics”

UPDATE44: 9AM PST 11/29 Mike Mann reprises the role of Captain Queeg in The Cain Mutiny when seeing de Freitas being vindicated by the publisher of Climate Research (see the update in the article).

UPDATE43: 8AM PST 11/29 An Excel Spreadsheet with Climategate 1 and 2 emails ordered chronologically should be helpful in determining that supposedly missing”context”

UPDATE42:  7AM PST 11/29 The CRU crew says:  “what we really meant was…”

UPDATE41: 4AM PST 11/29 James Padget schools Steve Zwick – Guide to Defending the Indefensible. Some people just can’t handle Climategate.

UPDATE40: 12AM PST 11/29 Penn State has the same “look the other way” problem with Climategate as they did with the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

UPDATE39: It seems “vexatious” is Dr. Phil Jones favorite new feeling word after summer 2009.

UPDATE38: Severinghaus says Mike Mann didn’t give a straight answer regarding why trees don’t work as thermometers after 1950

UPDATE37: Climate sensitivity can’t be quantified with the current data according to NCAR’s Wigley, with paleo data – even less so.

UPDATE36: Dr. Chris de Freitas responds to the ugly attempt by The Team at getting him fired.

UPDATE 35: “Stroppy” Dr Roger Pielke Sr. shows just how much a “old boys network” the peer review process is.

UPDATE34: More internal dissent of the hockey stick. Mann tries to beat down the concern over “hide the decline” while not letting the dissenting scientist know there was a decline.

UPDATE33: Gobsmacking! Rob Wilson proves McIntyre and McKittrick correct in an email to colleagues at CRU, showing that when random noise time series are fed into Mike Mann’s procedure, it makes “hockey sticks”. The confirmation that M&M is right never leaves the walls of CRU.

UPDATE32: 9:30PM PST  11/27 BREAKINGCanada to pull out of Kyoto protocol. Another Climategate fallout ?

UPDATE31: 4:30PM PST 11/27 BOMBSHELL An absolutely disgusting string of communications that shows the tribal attempt at getting an editor of a journal fired on made up issues – all because he allowed a publication that didn’t agree with “the Team”. This is ugly, disturbing, and wrong on every level.

UPDATE30: 9:45 AM PST 11/27 Newsbytes. Major crack in the warming wall at the UK prime minister’s office. BBC in collusion with Climategate scientists.

UPDATE29: 9AM PST 11/27 The saga of the missing station data at CRU and the “pants on fire” defense of it as told by Willis Eschenbach. Dr. Phil Jones is between a rock and a hard place, quite.

UPDATE 28: 1:30PM PST 11/26 An email shows the UNFCCC considers activists an essential tool saying “…organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process…”

UPDATE27: 7AM PST 11/26 Climategate 2 features prominently in WUWT’s newest feature “Hits and Misses

UPDATE26: 2:50 PM 11/25 Two separate examples show obstruction and collusion by members of “The Team” to prevent any dissenting science from being properly considered by the NRC in 2007.

UPDATE25: 2PM 11/25 Keith Briffa asks another colleague to delete email to avoid FOIA

UPDATE24: 1:30PM 11/25 New Climategate 1/2 combined search engine here

UPDATE23: 9AM PST 11/25 via bishop-hill, strange infighting:

#4101 – Edward Cook tells Phil Jones that Mike Mann is “serious enemy” and “vindictive”. Mike Mann had criticized his work.

Apparently Mann went “a little crazy” over a paper showing the MWP exists.

Details here

UPDATE22: 11AM PST 11/24 Am unsurprising admission from a BBC environmental reporter to Dr. Phil Jones that they really have no impartiality at all (ho ho) when it comes to climate issues.

UPDATE21: 9:50AM PST 11/24 “FOIA2011″ and Climategate – A Chinese-POTUS connection?

UPDATE20: 9:30AM PST 11/24 World renowned climatologist Phil Jones can’t even plot a temperature trend line in Excel. I’ve offered a solution that WUWT readers can help with.

UPDATE19: 9AM PST 11/24 Gail Combs finds some disturbing connections between the Team and The World Bank

UPDATE18: 1:45PM Scott Mandia, aka “Supermandia” wins the award for the silliest climategate rebuttal, ever. It’s like stupid on steroids.

UPDATE17: 12:55PM PST 11/23 Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. has an excellent piece on “Gatekeeping” related to Trenberth and the Pielke-Landsea hurricane paper and the IPCC. You may recall Landsea resigned from the IPCC over this. Pielke says: “The gatekeeping of the IPCC process is abundantly clear, and the shadowy suggestion that they can find out who the reviewers are from another colleague is a bit unsettling as well.” Trenberth looks particularly bad here.

UPDATE16: 11:30AM PST 11/23 Insider scientist at CRU says our “reaction to Mike Mann’s errors was not particularly honest” – story here

UPDATE15: 7:50AM 11/23 Ric Werme found an email from the late John L. Daly to Mike Mann and the team – it is well worth a read here

UPDATE14: 2:45 AM PST 11/23 Willis Eschenbach offers a guest post here explaining how his FOIA requests went astray. Mr. David Palmer was the Freedom of Information Officer for the CRU at the time. In the newly released emails, he expresses his frustration with the whole procedure.

UPDATE13: 12:05AM 11/23 Craig Stone writes:

I have published a searchable database of the emails at http://foia2011.org

All email addresses and phone numbers are automatically redacted. It’s extremely rudimentary right now, but I’ll be refining the functionality and improving the search capabilities and navigation over the course of the next week.

UPDATE 12: 9:30 PM PST We’ve known for some time that Al Gore made up a bunch of claims in his AIT movie that simply weren’t true. Now this revelation in the new email batch shows that in the case of Kilimanjaro’s disappearing snows, even Phil Jones and Dr. Lonnie Thompson don’t believe global warming is the cause, even though Thompson put out a press release nearly a year ago saying just that. Told ya so. Pants on fire and all that. Anything for “the cause” right?

UPDATE11: 4:45PM PST Kevin Trenberth gets all misty eyed and sing-songy at Christmas here

UPDATE10: 4:30PM PST Some thoughts on cracking the big remaining all.7z file here

UPDATE9: 2:25PM PST Josh weighs in with the first satirical cartoon here

UPDATE8: 140PM PST Mike Mann shows his true colors:

email 1680.txt

date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400

from: “Michael E. Mann”..

subject: Re: Something not to pass on

to: Phil Jones

Phil,

I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he’s U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should

consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.

I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.

I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them….

UPDATE7: 1:20 PM PST Phil Jones and Tom Wigley calls another scientist (The former state climatologist of California) a “jerk” for publishing his UHI results.

UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did in Seattle with Thomas Peterson in summer 2007, yes these are 100% real emails, no doubt whatsoever now. More here: Climategate 2.0 – NCDC: “Mr. Watts gave a well reasoned position”

UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.

UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0  emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular!  with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.

UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:

When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”

I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.

UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up by Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:

Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.

The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.

UPDATE1: 8:20 AM PST These emails have not been verified yet, and this story was posted by one of my moderating staff while I was asleep. Until such time they are verified, tread lightly because without knowing what is behind the rest of the zip file, for all we know it’s a bunch of recipes and collection of  lorem ipsum text files. I’m working to authenticate these now and will report when I know more – Anthony Watts

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Early this morning, history repeated itself. FOIA.org has produced an enormous zip file of 5,000 additional emails similar to those released two years ago in November 2009 and coined Climategate. There are almost 1/4 million additional emails locked behind a password, which the organization does not plan on releasing at this time.

The original link was dropped off in the Hurricane Kenneth thread at about 4 AM Eastern. It is still there.

Some initial snippets floating around the blogosphere:

<3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year

“reconstruction”.

<3115> Mann:  By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year

reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that

reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.

<3940> Mann:  They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic

example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted

upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a

bit.

<0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s

doing, but its not helping the cause

<2440> Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the

process

<2094> Briffa: UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC

task.

JeffId has some initial reaction

From the ReadMe file:

/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///

“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”

“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”

“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.

“Poverty is a death sentence.”

“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize

greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”

Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on

hiding the decline.

This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few

remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.

The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning

to publicly release the passphrase.

We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such

as…

==============================================================

Here’s one about UHI that is convincing:

cc: liqx@cma.xxx

date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:37 +0800

from: =?gb2312?B?JUQ1JUM1JUMwJUYyJUMzJUY0IA==?= <limmy@xxx>

subject: Re:Re: thank you

to: p.jones@xxx

Dear Phil,

Again I find that the emails from my CMA mail boxes can not get to you.

From attaches please find the data of 42 urban stations and 42 rural stations (by your

list) and a reference of homogenization of the data. we have tested and adjusted the abrupt

discontinuities of the data during 1951-2001, but the following years (2002-2004) has only

been quality controled and added to the end of the series, but we found the relocation

during these 3 years have minor effects on the whole series in most of the stations.

I  partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat

island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s. But I think

different methods, data, and selection of the urban and rural stations would be the most

important causes of this. So I think it is high time to give some new studies and graw some

conclusion in this topic.  I hope we can make some new achives on this both on global scale

and in China.

Best

Qingxiang

—– Original Message —–

From: “Phil Jones” < p.jones@xxxx >

To: “Rean Guoyoo” < guoyoo@xxxx >

Cc: “%D5%C5%C0%F2%C3%F4” < limmy@xxx>, < liqx@cma.xxx >

Sent: 2007-09-24 16:25:59 +0800

Subject: Re: thank you

Dear Guoyu,

I think I emailed you from America last week. I am away again next week,

but here this week.

I do think that understanding urban influences are important.  I will

wait for Dr Li Qingxiang to send some data, but there is no rush, as I am

quite busy the next few weeks.

Best Regards

Phil

At 00:59 20/09/2007, you wrote:

The following message was returned back when I sent via cma site. I send it again via

this site. I also forwarded this message to Dr, Li Qingxiang.

Regards,

Guoyu

Dear Phil,

Thank you for your message of Sept 11, 2007. I have just been back from the US. Sorry

for the delayed response.

I noted the discussion on blog sites. This is indeed a big issue in the studies of

climate change.

In the past years, we did some analyses of the urban warming effect on surface air

temperature trends in China, and we found the effect is pretty big in the areas we

analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. I think there

might be at least three reasons for the difference: (1) the areas chosen in the analyses

are different; (2) the time periods analyzed are obviously varied, and the aft-1990

period is seeing a more rapid warming in most areas of China; (3) the rural stations

used for the analyses are different, and we used some stations which we think could be

more representative for the baseline change.

We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent

our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.

It is my opinion that we need to re-assess the urbanization effect on surface air

temperature records for at least some regions of the continents. I am glad that you are

going to redo it using the updated dataset. I expect you to obtain the new outcome.

As for the dataset, I believe that Dr. Li Qingxiang could give you a hand. He and his

group conducted a lot work of detection and adjustment of the inhomogeneities in the

past years, and the adjusted and the raw datasets are all stored and managed in his

center. The datasets we used are also from his center.

I’d be happy to discuss some issues with you late, but I would not necessarily be as a

co-author because my contribution would be rather minor.

Best regards,

Guoyu

NCC, Beijing

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Prof. Phil Jones

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1DandyTroll
November 25, 2011 6:00 pm

Essentially, they’re a bunch of eco loons as in eco-terrorists and eco-talibans as in economical terrorists and economical talibans.
The amount of financial cost them gelatinous communists have cost, and keep costing, society is astounding. And still they do not deliver!

November 25, 2011 6:04 pm

Time to scrap the light bulb ban and carbon tax at last?

JMAnon
November 25, 2011 6:38 pm

I forget what else I said at the original climategate, but I expected another tranche of data to be released, I hadn’t anticipated it would take so long.
The original data was proven true and hence should have been discoverable on the CRU servers and elsewhere.
But let’s look at it logically, from the perspective of the scientists (sorry, I know they don’t qualify any longer for the term but what else to call them? Jones et al? )
The options were:
(a) that whoever leaked the emails leaked all they had .
(b) that they had access to everything and have held back some material.
So what are the possible outcomes?
The files are verified and there is a searching official enquiry in which case they’d better be able to find the released data on the server or they’d be legitimately accused of an attempted cover up.
A searching enquiry accesses everything and even more damning and compelling evidence is revealed.
But if it is option (a) that is true then it is safe to sanitise everything not revealed and try and ride out what was leaked.
If it is option (b) they are sunk whatever happens because a later reveal will not be so readily brushed under the carpet.
Of course, if they can persuade everyone that it is option (a) and that they can survive that, then they have a chance of arranging a cover-up/whitewash in which case it doesn’t matter what is on the server, no one will see it who isn’t safe to see it. But the chances of a whitewash may be less if the politicos think there is more to come.
My bet is that the only winning strategy is to assume (a) and sanitise the files.
I would dearly love to know what is and what isn’t still on the servers.
Of course, releasing all at once and having the servers completely sanitised and hoping to deny everything would be a risk.
Holding back material means that even if the files are sanitised, there is less pressure to show the new release is genuine. The provenance comes from the first release admitted genuine.
So my bet is they’d look at what was released and make sure nothing else was discoverable if anyone wanted a legitimate look at their files. Anticipating that they’d have to leave the released emails on file because removing them, once revealed as authentic, would reveal tampering with the records, but removing other emails is a risk judgement; you either leave them and risk having them disclosed by any legitimate or official and unavoidable investigation or you assume that whoever leaked the emails leaked everything they had for maximum impact.
The risk they had was that anything else even if only privately investigated would deter a whitewash as too risky. So sanitise, show the sanitised servers and get a whitewash.
At this stage however, sanitised files will shriek “crooks” and “Cover-up” to everyone and not simply “honest” mistakes.
Please someone, let us know if these files are all still on the servers as they should be.

MarcH
November 25, 2011 6:44 pm

date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:57:48 +0200
from: Wolfgang Cramer
subject: Re: apologies
to: Mike Hulme
http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0015.txt
PS: I am really uncertain whether I do something terribly bad in
sending this to you, after the explicit request for confidentiality –
so please keep this among the two of us…

November 25, 2011 6:47 pm

(4483)
“I will hold back the
print version of the douglas et al paper until I have the santer et al one”

MarcH
November 25, 2011 6:49 pm

subject: FOI/EIR requests – Strategy
http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0490.txt

barry
November 25, 2011 6:52 pm

Mike Jonas,

By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.

This is the second quote in the list in the article, written by Michael Mann to Phil Jones. Here is a link to the email exchange
http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=3065
I think the climate change skeptical reading of this would be that the ’cause’ refers to 1) a deliberate effort on the part of Mann and Jones (at least) to keep their view of millennial reconstructions primary by political means, 2) a broader agenda to do with policy on CO2 regulation.
I note that Mann and Jones in this exchange make clear that they genuinely see McIntyre’s efforts as ‘baseless’ and that he has got ‘even the most basic facts wrong’. From reading other emails, Mann clearly thinks McIntyre’s analyses are utterly substandard, and that his repeated insistence for data and attempts are politically motivated, rather than scientifically based (indeed, McIntyre himself has described his original motivation on those grounds). The same view is held of the Legates paper they both mention.
The context to me looks like two scientists exasperated with politically motivated, substandard attacks on their work. The reference to the Tom C reconstruction comes in the middle of this, in the hope that it will bolster their own work. The ’cause’ can be seen as the defense of god science against pseudo-science attacks.
But I don’t know which is true, or indeed if there is another interpretation that is closer to the truth. I’d be extremely dubious of any comment other than from Mann or Jones that purports to know exactly in what way ’cause’ is meant here.
And that’s the difficulty with interpreting private emails amongst familiars – there are subtler shades of meaning than can be gleaned by people unfamiliar with what’s going on.

barry
November 25, 2011 6:55 pm

Theo here says

Remove the Hockey Stick and there is no basis whatsoever for the claim that late 20 century warming is out of the ordinary.

No basis whatsoever?
MBH 99, the hockey stick paper, concluded that late 20th century warming was anomalous, and that 1990s were likely,/i> the warmest in the last millennium – in the Northern Hemisphere. Let’s compare that with non-Mannian papers.

Using our model, we calculate that there is a 36% posterior probability that 1998 was the warmest year over the past thousand. If we consider rolling decades, 1997-2006 is the
warmest on record; our model gives an 80% chance that it was the warmest in the past thousand years. Finally, if we look at rolling thirty-year blocks, the posterior probability that the last thirty years (again, the warmest on record) were the warmest over the past thousand is 38%.

McShane and Wyner (2010)

The IPCC2001 conclusion that temperatures of the past millennium are unlikely to have been as warm, at any time prior to the 20th century, as the last decades of the 20th century is supported by subsequent research and by the results obtained here. We have also reviewed and, in some cases, tested with new analysis, papers (in particular Soon and Baliunas, 2003, MM2003 and MM2005b) which claim to refute that IPCC2001 conclusion and found that those claims were not well supported. The IPCC 2007 conclusion that “It is very likely that average NH temperatures during the second half of the 20th century were warmer than any other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the warmest in at least the past 1300 years” (Solomon et al., 2007) is also supported by our analysis.

Juckes et al (2007)

During the late 20th century, our proxy-inferred summer temperatures were the warmest of the past two millennia, with four of the five warmest decades of our 2000-year-long reconstruction occurring between 1950 and 2000.

Kaufman et al (2009) [Based on Arctic summertime temperatures]

Taken at face value, our reconstruction indicates that MWP conditions were nearly 0.7C cooler than those of the late twentieth century. These results suggest how extreme recent warming has been relative to the natural fluctuations of the past millennium. This conclusion, however, must be taken cautiously.

D’Arrigo et al (2006)

We find no evidence for any earlier periods in the last two millennia with warmer conditions than the post-1990 period – in agreement with previous similar studies

Moberg (2005)
<blockquote….the evidence from dendrochronology in general supports the notion that the last 100 years have been unusually warm, at least within a context of the last two millennia. However, this evidence should not be considered equivocal [sic] Briffa (2000) [Should say, ‘unequivocal,’ obviously]

The reconstructions show the temperatures of the mid-Holocene warm period some 1–2 K above the reference level, the maximum of the MWP at or slightly below the reference level, the minimum of the LIA about 1 K below the reference level, and end-of-20th century temperatures about 0.5 K above the reference level. All of these amplitude estimates are, as with the timing of these episodes, generally consistent with amplitudes estimated from other climate proxies as summarized by Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [2007].

Huang et al (2008)
I left out any paper that had Mann as co-author. There are a couple of papers in the peer-reviewed literature that suggest warmer MWP than present, but the majority of studies that look at the issue come up with pretty much the same conclusions as Mann – NH temperatures in the last few decades are
likelythe warmest in the last 1000 to 2000 years.

TheGoodLocust
November 25, 2011 6:57 pm

http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=4440.txt
The Senior Adviser of Climate Change at BP and Penn State’s Lee Kump seem to be suggesting that they not mention any potential benefits of increased CO2 in the “Tyndall/CMI Symposium Summary.” Of course, more expensive coal should be good for BP’s oil business – and all their “renewable” tech that they love advertising so much.
Oh this one is somewhat interesting and amusing:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=0149.txt
It looks like Phil Jones is helping some nut at “Friends of the Earth” with his article.
I liked this part a lot:
“There may be a negative feedback which will prevent global temperatures rising above the
present level for the foreseeable future as the climate sceptics argue. The science from
climatic research units, which is the best available science, and the IPCC, suggests that
this is only an extremely remote possibility.
The second more likely scenario is that global temperatures will start rising significantly
again in the next year or two …”
Well, that article was written in 2007 – I’d say your year or two is up.
Here is another one of his articles after Phil modified it for “accuracy:”
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=2253.txt
Any of those 2004 predictions coming true?
Indeed the collaboration between the University of East Anglia and FOE seems both long and cozy:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=1395
And does anyone know what WS or WS2 refers to?
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=1034.txt

November 25, 2011 7:47 pm

barry, when you quote dubious statements like: “During the late 20th century, our proxy-inferred summer temperatures were the warmest of the past two millennia, with four of the five warmest decades of our 2000-year-long reconstruction occurring between 1950 and 2000,” you are only exposing the grant trolling of various self-serving money grubbers.
The late, great John Daly showed that tree ring proxies were scientifically analogous to astrology.
Before the alarmist crowd’s devious revisionist history, it was universally accepted that the MWP was as warm, and most probably warmer than now. And prior warmings during the Holocene were significantly warmer than the MWP. Peer reviewed charts on request. Just ask, and I’ll post as many as necessary. Cognitive dissonance is very hard to overcome, but for you I’ll give it my best shot.

Editor
November 25, 2011 7:57 pm

1060 comments (up from an even 1000 at the start of the day). I didn’t count the number of comments that involve “A Physicist”.
That makes this about to be the 3rd most commented upon post:
mysql> select comments, url from post where comments >= 1000 order by comments desc;
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| 1225 | http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/30/breaking-new-paper-makes-a-hockey-sticky-wicket-of-mann-et-al-99/ |
| 1061 | http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/19/obama-returns-from-the-copenhagen-global-warming-conference/ |
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G. Karst
November 25, 2011 8:01 pm

I know it’s been said but this guy\gal is a frigging genius! Totally in control. The team will be getting fitful, medicated sleep, until this is excruciatingly over. The rest of us are like kids on candy counter glass. We can see the candy, but we can not unwrap it. GK

R.S.Brown
November 25, 2011 8:08 pm

This may be unremarkable, but I’ve never seen a comment on the handy
size of both FOIA.org’s standard e-mail files for Climategate 1.0 & 2.0.
Not including attachments, data, programs and the Harry-read-me file, each
release fits snuggly onto a standard CD-R disk when you download and
“burn” them.
It looks like all the releases, including that whopping 7zip file could be held in
two or three 16 gig memory drives waltzing around in a shirt pocket or a purse.
Easy to copy from one drive to another… and transport across borders
without leaving an electronic trace.
No wonder Mike Mann is worried about another set of e-mails (possibly chock
full of “for American eyes-only comments) jumping out of the servers at the
University of Virginia and into the court room.
These e-mails are becoming a part of the historical record in tandem with all
those “papers” he’s written that are good for bird cage liners.

barry
November 25, 2011 8:21 pm

Mike,
<blockquote.barry – in your long Nov 25 5:24am comment you talked a lot about ‘the team’ when I hadn’t even mentioned it
Is that a problem? I invited us both to review the fuller text and context. I didn’t suppose that required me to limit my comments solely to whatever you focussed on. Would you prefer me to do that? Let me know.
You interpreted Bradley’s comments to say that Mann was ‘hopelessly biased’ because Mann would automatically criticise anything that didn’t go along with his view. I don’t see much daylight between your interpretation and mine (‘over-sure of his own take’), except that your phraseology has the buzzword ‘bias’ in it. Aren’t we both (and Bradley) saying that Mann is overly ‘biased’ towards his own view? But your language is less neutral and more political than mine, considering the wider debate (more context). An objective reading of the emails should avoid such rhetoric, don’t you agree?
Further to the use of ‘bias’: I asked about your credentials (not your identity – that is not important to the discussion). That was a passing thought and a compliment, but it may as well serve to illustrate my point. You stated that the “Mann/Jones GRL paper was indeed truly pathetic and should never have been published.” If you have requisite skill to determine this at a granular level, then I am impressed. But if you do not quite have the skill to determine this, then I would suggest that your unequivocal opinion might more reasonably be described as ‘biased’ than Michael Mann’s. In such a case,the term would be appropriate.

In this, we are looking at just one email among many. Those emails were not written to or for us, so we can’t expect them to answer all our questions. What they can do for us, however, is to help build up a picture of the field of climate science as it really exists behind the facade

I think it’s possible a neutral reader could gain some insight into the private world of the people in the emails. Such a ‘picture of the field’, however, would necessarily be highly caveated, for the reasons you outlined in your first few words there.
However, the false “picture” of the 2009 release demonstrated just how malign ‘interpretation’ distorted the actual meaning behind many quoted excerpts back then. Even to this day some well-explained snippets still have traction. “Mike’s nature trick”, “hide the decline”, and the harryreadme.txt, are still cited as evidence of something insidious in the paleoclimate field.
Ultimately, the release of the emails is a political act, and have zero bearing on the understanding of GHGs and the warming of the atmosphere. It’s a side issue of political, not scientific, import, and taking it very seriously is a sign of political, not scientific, interest in the general subject.
Eg, one always hears of “Mann’s” hockey stick. It’s rare amongst skeptics that the other authors are mentioned (Bradley, Hughes), or that other groups using different methods and even different data come up with similar general conclusions as MBH98/99. No, this is a game of politics, and that requires a single identity to defame. Mann is the guy.
Notice, when in the past Bradley has been mentioned by skeptics, it has been to discredit him. Now that an email surfaces showing his criticism of one paper of Mann’s, suddenly his views have merit?
I hope you’ll forgive my skepticism that a reliable “picture of the field of climate science” will be constructed here!

but a very solid public facade has been constructed which serves to hide this aspect [a range of views pulling at each other], and only the Climategatex emails allow us to glimpse behind it

If you read the literature, you can see various authors who have co-authored with Mann, also criticise components of Mann’s work. The inability to see nuance in this field and differences between colleagues is the desire for a binary “picture” that simplifies the narrative to such a point that false claims can be made about “Team”, and then, when apparent fractures appear, revelations of goings on behind the “facade”. But as far as I can see, this is a construct of the skeptical propaganda machine, an unconscious engine for the most part.
But, you can educate me better. Where has it been given out that Mann, Bradley, Briffa, Hughes, Jones, etc agree with each other about everything in paleoclimate? Where is it writ that Raymond Bradley thinks all of Mann’s work is exemplary, so that this new revelation shows that notion to be a lie?
I’ll attend your corroboration that there is a facade belying “a range of views pulling at each other” in the paleoclimate field.

November 25, 2011 10:09 pm

Barry says
in the Northern Hemisphere. Let’s compare that……..
Henry@Barry
this must be a dilemma for you.
My statistical analyses of 9 NH weather stations gave an average increase of 0.029 degreesC / annum since 1975.
My statistical analyses of 10 SH weather stations gave an average of 0.000 degreesC / annum since 1975, in other words: no change.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
The problem is we cannot arbitrarily cut the earth in the middle.
We need to find a mechanism that would explain the difference.
Do you agree with me that the increase in the CO2 cannot be it?

November 25, 2011 10:11 pm

Commenter “A physicist” is whistling, very loudly, past the cemetery.

JPeden
November 25, 2011 10:29 pm

barry says:
November 25, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Where has it been given out that Mann, Bradley, Briffa, Hughes, Jones, etc agree with each other about everything in paleoclimate?
They all use “climate change” to mean “CO2 = CAGW” and, hence, that there has been no climate change and can never be any climate change without CO2 = CAGW. Therefore, they all agree with all of what this absurd idea means about paleoclimate.
You’re the same, barry, with the same very disordered “unconscious engine”.
So I suppose you can’t do anything about it?

John
November 25, 2011 10:46 pm

Question: What’s the difference between “Free Speech” and “Fraud”.
Hint: It involves money.
In this story a number of people desperately need to go to jail for fraud. Prof. Mann, Al Gore and some key figures at the CRU are clearly in this crowd. …and we all know it is a large crowd. The real question now is why has no one even been charged? Like tracking terrorists, to get at that answer only requires following the money, much of which was given to politically connected “green” start up companies which are now in or approaching Chapter 11. The AGW/Climate Change propaganda was bought and paid for by tax payer money to justify billions in government grants, loans and special legislation. All those involved know the story and to a man need several years of reclamation in prison. I encourage everyone to work toward this goal in the weeks and months head. I suspect we’ll be seeing even more damning evidence in the immediate future. It is way past time for litigation against these criminals.

Richard G
November 25, 2011 11:56 pm

date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:33:06 -0400
from: Michael Mann
subject: attacks against Keith
to: Phil Jones , Tim Osborn
…” So far, we’ve simply deleted all of the attempts by McIntyre and his minions to draw attention to this at RealClimate.”
Oh goody, I have always wanted to be a MINION. When do we get our pitchforks and torches? How about ID cards?

Mann Bearpig
November 26, 2011 12:01 am

Just found this beauty..
From: Ian Harris
To: Phil Jones
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:43:38 +0100
Subject: CRU TS 3.00 Precip
Cc: dave lister
Hi
As a result of trying to produce the ‘wet’ secondary parameter, I
discovered that I was using an inappropriate algorithm to convert
percentage anomalies to real values. No idea where I got it from
though I can say with certainty that I didn’t just make it up!
In the following, N is the Normal, A is the anomaly and V is the
‘real’ value.
I was using:
V = N(A+N)/100
However, the anomdtb.f90 program (which creates the original
anomalies at the start of the process) uses:
A = 1000((V/N)-1)
which translates to:
V = N(A+1000)/1000
This only affects Pre and Wet, I have re-run Pre. An example of the
difference is that, for January 2001, the maximum was 14408 and is
now 7174! Obviously trends will not be significantly impacted so I
don’t think the Nat Geog stuff needs amending.
Apologies for any inconvenience (did Dimitrious use these files too?).
Cheers
Harry
Ian “Harry” Harris
Climatic Research Unit
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ
United Kingdom

Editor
November 26, 2011 12:04 am

Barry – I am not going to try to answer your somewhat rambling comments point by point. I answered your original criticism as requested, and I am not interested in going through emails of your selection in fine detail. I do note that you were in agreement with me that Michael Mann was biased, our only difference being semantic.
To stick to the essentials : Michael Mann was and is biased. That makes his work suspect. Of its own, that is not enough to dismiss his work, only to be very cautious indeed about it. But examination of his work by various people has shown it to be worse than “suspect”, as in this email which questions whether it is even inside ” the realm of science”:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=1675.txt
Two, will all of you get over the “Hockey Stick Curve”? That’s a tough one. Now that two teams of recognized specialists (North, Wegman) have confirmed the critiques of McIntyre and McKitrick, many have watched the ultimate result in disbelief. Hockeysticks tend to have strong persuasive powers and the MBH version has done that job extremely well, whilst there was nothing to be persuaded about. That’s hard to digest.
Science indulges itself in being self corrective, so when things are fishy with miracle cures for AIDS or Cold Fusion or Human Genome duplication then a public rectification follows, which would be especially prudent if the case could even remotely be associated with noble cause corruption. None of that has happened with the most prominent Fig 1b of the Third Assessment Report SPM , on the contrary, it is still in the SPM of the fourth version, albeit concealed in the spaghetti graph. Is it justified to keep global warming in the realm of science where it has made itself immune for self correcting and falsification?

I will pick up on one point you made, because it shows where you have missed the plot. You say “Even to this day some well-explained snippets still have traction. “Mike’s nature trick”, “hide the decline”, and the harryreadme.txt, are still cited as evidence of something insidious in the paleoclimate field.“.
You clearly don’t understand what was done in “hide the decline”. The first question you should ask yourself is “When is it ever OK for a scientist to hide something?“. Your answer should be “never” or maybe “never that I can think of“. That should tell you to tread with extreme caution. What was hidden was the inability of temperature proxies to match the instrumental record. The inescapable conclusion was that the proxies were useless. The only immediate correct action was to cease using them. But that is not what they did. Instead of ditching the proxies, they chopped out the bits (plural) that they didn’t like, kept the bits they did like, and spliced in a part of the instrument record so that the graph looked complete. I think your word sums it up reasonably well – “insidious” – though I might choose something a bit stronger. As quoted above, Andre Bijkerk says “many have watched the ultimate result in disbelief” and questions whether the hockey-stick is in “the realm of science.

Editor
November 26, 2011 12:10 am

PS. Not just the hockey-stick – Andre Bijkerk was actually questioning whether Global Warming itself was in “the realm of science”.

barry
November 26, 2011 12:16 am

JPeden,

They all use “climate change” to mean “CO2 = CAGW” and, hence, that there has been no climate change and can never be any climate change without CO2 = CAGW. Therefore, they all agree with all of what this absurd idea means about paleoclimate.

Absolute tosh. Bunkum. Rubbish, JPeden. Not only do all these scientists acknowledge past climate change, they devote whole papers to investigating them and their possible causes, both natural and anthropogenic (land use).

Global temperatures are known to have varied over the past 1500 years… The patterns of temperature change imply dynamical responses of climate to natural radiative forcing changes involving El Niño and the North Atlantic Oscillation–Arctic Oscillation.

Global Signatures and Dynamical Origins of the Little Ice Age and Medieval Climate Anomaly
Mann, Bradley, Hughes, Amman etc (2009)

Proxy records and results of a three dimensional climate model show that European summer temperatures roughly a millennium ago were comparable to those of the last 25 years of the 20th century, supporting the existence of a summer “Medieval Warm Period” in Europe. Those two relatively mild periods were separated by a rather cold era, often referred to as the “Little Ice Age”. Our modelling results suggest that the warm summer conditions during the early second millennium compared to the climate background state of the 13th–18th century are due to a large extent to the long term cooling induced by changes in land-use in Europe.

The origin of the European “Medieval Warm Period”
Mann (co-author) et al (2006)
Or, take the introduction to Michael Mann’s 2007 paper,
Climate Over the Past Two Millennia
Earth’s climate exhibits variations on all resolvable timescales, from the interannual (year to year) to the geological (millions of years and longer). This variability is known to result from both internal and external factors, the latter associated with both natural and anthropogenic influences. A good review is provided by Ruddiman (2001). It is generally believed that modern (e.g., nineteenth to twenty-first century) climate change is due primarily to anthropogenic factors, including increased greenhouse gas concentrations owing to fossil fuel burning and the more regionally limited offsetting cooling influence of anthropogenic tropospheric aerosols. On longer timescales, a variety of natural processes, both internal (e.g., intrinsic modes of variability in the atmosphere and ocean) and external (e.g., solar and volcanic radiative forcing changes and, to a lesser extent, Earth-orbital changes) are believed to have been important over the past one to two millennia.”
http://www.eos.ubc.ca/~mjelline/453website/eosc453/E_prints/newfer08/mann07.pdf
That flies directly in the face of your silly assertions.
A number of replies to me have not been worth replying to in light of their obviously specious content. I highlight this one as an example.

November 26, 2011 12:19 am

Henry says:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0/#comment-808878
I should perhaps rephrase that last question to Barry,
“Do you agree with me that the increase in the CO2 cannot be it?”
it must be changed to:
Do you agree that the observed warming on earth cannot be due to an increased greenhouse effect due to an increase in GHG emissions?

phil
November 26, 2011 1:39 am

These climategate II emails are a treasure trove for comedy writers–tons of materials for a TV sitcom about climate scientists. Call it Hot Air? The ineptness, mean-spiritedness, and stupidity of UEA-related climate scientists is laughable. Ricky Gervais, are you following this?

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